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Post by snow on Aug 21, 2023 16:55:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure you get to be the judge of who is worthy or not. I'm sure there were lazy people in the crowd where he fed the masses. He didn't discriminate. I do agree he wasn't all lovey dovey. I'm not that big a fan of him, but he was a lot more compassionate than a lot in his day. His exposure to other cultures in Egypt that was a melting pot of cultures probably gave him more insight into other philosophies. I think today's Christians that Christ's preaching's are 'too weak' and 'just don't work anymore' according to a recent poll of preachers in the US. Well if today's Christians think that, then they are not true Christians, or as I rather say followers of Christ. Because Jesus taught and showed us the true way to live, and if it's not good enough for them then tough luck. His way is the way and no one should try and change it. There are lots that haven't even opened a bible that claim they are Christian. Then they hear all those 'socialist' things like feeding those who hunger, loving your neighbor, turning the other cheek and all of a sudden that Jesus guy is just too weak. If you don't agree with Jesus then how can you claim to be a Christian. Jesus is what it's all about!! newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak |
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Post by Dan on Aug 21, 2023 18:46:32 GMT -5
Jesus was not all lovey-dovey, he said some harsh things as well, "‘My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of thieves"... "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning" ... "Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division" etc. Sometimes loving your neighbor means correcting them, tough love. Feeding the hungry means to help the helpless, not throw money and food at someone who's too lazy to work or that would blow your gift on booze & drugs, "If any would not work, neither should he eat" (2 Thessalonians 3:10).
Yes I agree with a lot of what you said, but Jesus was tough on those who were supposed to know God, not those who didn't know. All the verses you quoted were to those who professed to know God. As for money and food, I believe we are to help anyone we see in need if they are on drugs or drink then get then food and do more to help if we can. And also we are to be straight with people too. Strangely enough this happened with me today, I'm not saying this to big myself up, I'm saying it because it's relevant to what you have said, because I wouldn't look at others unless God opened my eyes. Anyway I saw a homeless man on the street, but I had no change, so I got change and I went to give him a little bit of money not much though, when I went back to him there was a man speaking to him, the man told me he believed in God and was telling the man he would pray for him. And me being me said, what about helping him too, to which the man replied, I don't give money or anything but I do tell them that I pray for them with a smile like he's really good. I said to him, but you should also help when you see people in need even help feed them not only pray for them, that's what we are to do in God, help others when we see the need too, if we can. He said he did so I left it at that. Then I asked the man if he needed food, he said no he was ok, but I went and got him some bits anyway. When I brought them to him, I realised there was another man who I thought had been him on the other side of the road when I was going to get the change, he had the same sign, I thought he had just crossed over when I'd been in a shop, but when I went back over the road, the man was still there, then I got the inkling that he might not be telling me the truth and they both might be just after money. He started saying that he had children and no food and needed money but wasn't really interested in the food. But he took the food and then I asked him if he believed in God (he looked like a Muslim) he said he did, I told him that he must always be honest and never con others, if he is telling the truth then I hope and pray that he gets help, but if he's lying then God will give him a harder time for doing dishonest things. He listened and nodded, but no matter what I'll still get him food if I see him, we aren't here to judge, I believe we are to just tell the truth, help when we see the need, and then leave the judgement to God.
I've had 3 experiences of my own.. One guy was holding a sign that said, "Will work for food". I offered him some work and he said, "No" and claimed he had a bad back. I had another guy come into my business and ask for money to get something to eat, so I gave him some. I then left work 5 minutes later and saw him up the street coming out of a liquor store with a pint of booze. The third time, another person came into my business and asked for $5 to get a hamburger. I only had $2 in my wallet and handed it to him. He looked at me with discuss and said, "I can't buy a f.....g burger with that" and then he threw the money on the floor and walked out.
Christians are to discern, otherwise they can be played for fools. There's nothing Christian about enabling someones bad habit or addiction. Businesses have signs up & down our streets begging for help, so most of these panhandlers are just bums who won't work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 19:05:05 GMT -5
Yes I agree with a lot of what you said, but Jesus was tough on those who were supposed to know God, not those who didn't know. All the verses you quoted were to those who professed to know God. As for money and food, I believe we are to help anyone we see in need if they are on drugs or drink then get then food and do more to help if we can. And also we are to be straight with people too. Strangely enough this happened with me today, I'm not saying this to big myself up, I'm saying it because it's relevant to what you have said, because I wouldn't look at others unless God opened my eyes. Anyway I saw a homeless man on the street, but I had no change, so I got change and I went to give him a little bit of money not much though, when I went back to him there was a man speaking to him, the man told me he believed in God and was telling the man he would pray for him. And me being me said, what about helping him too, to which the man replied, I don't give money or anything but I do tell them that I pray for them with a smile like he's really good. I said to him, but you should also help when you see people in need even help feed them not only pray for them, that's what we are to do in God, help others when we see the need too, if we can. He said he did so I left it at that. Then I asked the man if he needed food, he said no he was ok, but I went and got him some bits anyway. When I brought them to him, I realised there was another man who I thought had been him on the other side of the road when I was going to get the change, he had the same sign, I thought he had just crossed over when I'd been in a shop, but when I went back over the road, the man was still there, then I got the inkling that he might not be telling me the truth and they both might be just after money. He started saying that he had children and no food and needed money but wasn't really interested in the food. But he took the food and then I asked him if he believed in God (he looked like a Muslim) he said he did, I told him that he must always be honest and never con others, if he is telling the truth then I hope and pray that he gets help, but if he's lying then God will give him a harder time for doing dishonest things. He listened and nodded, but no matter what I'll still get him food if I see him, we aren't here to judge, I believe we are to just tell the truth, help when we see the need, and then leave the judgement to God.
I've had 3 experiences of my own.. One guy was holding a sign that said, "Will work for food". I offered him some work and he said, "No" and claimed he had a bad back. I had another guy come into my business and ask for money to get something to eat, so I gave him some. I then left work 5 minutes later and saw him up the street coming out of a liquor store with a pint of booze. The third time, another person came into my business and asked for $5 to get a hamburger. I only had $2 in my wallet and handed it to him. He looked at me with discuss and said, "I can't buy a f.....g burger with that" and then he threw the money on the floor and walked out.
Christians are to discern, otherwise they can be played for fools. There's nothing Christian about enabling someones bad habit or addiction. Businesses have signs up & down our streets begging for help, so most of these panhandlers are just bums who won't work.
Had one of the friends here approach a woman with 2 kids once nearby. Offered her a 40hr a week job cleaning house min wage at the time 7.45hr the woman said no way I can make double that standing here... |
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Post by maryhig on Aug 21, 2023 23:41:08 GMT -5
Yes I agree with a lot of what you said, but Jesus was tough on those who were supposed to know God, not those who didn't know. All the verses you quoted were to those who professed to know God. As for money and food, I believe we are to help anyone we see in need if they are on drugs or drink then get then food and do more to help if we can. And also we are to be straight with people too. Strangely enough this happened with me today, I'm not saying this to big myself up, I'm saying it because it's relevant to what you have said, because I wouldn't look at others unless God opened my eyes. Anyway I saw a homeless man on the street, but I had no change, so I got change and I went to give him a little bit of money not much though, when I went back to him there was a man speaking to him, the man told me he believed in God and was telling the man he would pray for him. And me being me said, what about helping him too, to which the man replied, I don't give money or anything but I do tell them that I pray for them with a smile like he's really good. I said to him, but you should also help when you see people in need even help feed them not only pray for them, that's what we are to do in God, help others when we see the need too, if we can. He said he did so I left it at that. Then I asked the man if he needed food, he said no he was ok, but I went and got him some bits anyway. When I brought them to him, I realised there was another man who I thought had been him on the other side of the road when I was going to get the change, he had the same sign, I thought he had just crossed over when I'd been in a shop, but when I went back over the road, the man was still there, then I got the inkling that he might not be telling me the truth and they both might be just after money. He started saying that he had children and no food and needed money but wasn't really interested in the food. But he took the food and then I asked him if he believed in God (he looked like a Muslim) he said he did, I told him that he must always be honest and never con others, if he is telling the truth then I hope and pray that he gets help, but if he's lying then God will give him a harder time for doing dishonest things. He listened and nodded, but no matter what I'll still get him food if I see him, we aren't here to judge, I believe we are to just tell the truth, help when we see the need, and then leave the judgement to God.
I've had 3 experiences of my own.. One guy was holding a sign that said, "Will work for food". I offered him some work and he said, "No" and claimed he had a bad back. I had another guy come into my business and ask for money to get something to eat, so I gave him some. I then left work 5 minutes later and saw him up the street coming out of a liquor store with a pint of booze. The third time, another person came into my business and asked for $5 to get a hamburger. I only had $2 in my wallet and handed it to him. He looked at me with discuss and said, "I can't buy a f.....g burger with that" and then he threw the money on the floor and walked out.
Christians are to discern, otherwise they can be played for fools. There's nothing Christian about enabling someones bad habit or addiction. Businesses have signs up & down our streets begging for help, so most of these panhandlers are just bums who won't work.
Then I wouldn't give them money but get them some food. Or offer them food and if they reject it, or act like you said and walk out in disgust then so be it, but I've at least offered them food and done what's right. Although I always think what my uncle said, he said that £1 to me isn't much but it could be a drink to someone in need. He said give and leave God to judge as we don't know what they've been through in their lives. So I only gave £1 and that's enough for a drink. If they needed food when I asked, then I would get them some if I can. |
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Post by maryhig on Aug 22, 2023 0:12:36 GMT -5
Well if today's Christians think that, then they are not true Christians, or as I rather say followers of Christ. Because Jesus taught and showed us the true way to live, and if it's not good enough for them then tough luck. His way is the way and no one should try and change it. There are lots that haven't even opened a bible that claim they are Christian. Then they hear all those 'socialist' things like feeding those who hunger, loving your neighbor, turning the other cheek and all of a sudden that Jesus guy is just too weak. If you don't agree with Jesus then how can you claim to be a Christian. Jesus is what it's all about!! newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak Yes I've heard that many don't even read a bible, they just take in what they are told in church, that's if they go to church. Someone in our meeting was told not to read the Bible and was given a Catholic book to read instead when she was in the Catholic church. And she said she had a shock when she did read the Bible, it was different to what she had been taught. She also said that when she told the priest and counteracted something he said with a quote from the Bible, he told her that the Bible was just for the priests and that she was going to hell for reading it. She was thinking of leaving the church at the time after reading the Bible, and he came to see her to see why, and when he found out she was reading the Bible he went mad with her, so she definitely left the church then. Also a lot of people here take their babies to be christened in church, have a big party and everything but don't ever go to church, not ever. I got invited to one not long ago, I asked the girl if she believed in God, she said yes, so I asked if she goes to the church that she was getting their baby christened into, and she said no. So I then asked why are you doing it if you never go? And she said it was to please her parents, I explained the way I believe regarding churches and in God, and told her I'm sorry but I won't be going, she understood. The thing is it was my nephew's baby, and he was only doing it to please his girl as he didn't want to do it, and it was only her and not him who told me she was only doing it to please others, and yet they had to pay for it all and they don't earn much. Then she told me it cost a lot of money, and it was things like £9 per song to sing, and £13 to put pictures on a tv and more if they wanted another TV to show pictures. It's absolutely crazy and just a money making scheme for some churches who are cloaked in their false beliefs and saying they they believe in Jesus and then make money from him. |
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Post by snow on Aug 22, 2023 16:07:40 GMT -5
I've had 3 experiences of my own.. One guy was holding a sign that said, "Will work for food". I offered him some work and he said, "No" and claimed he had a bad back. I had another guy come into my business and ask for money to get something to eat, so I gave him some. I then left work 5 minutes later and saw him up the street coming out of a liquor store with a pint of booze. The third time, another person came into my business and asked for $5 to get a hamburger. I only had $2 in my wallet and handed it to him. He looked at me with discuss and said, "I can't buy a f.....g burger with that" and then he threw the money on the floor and walked out.
Christians are to discern, otherwise they can be played for fools. There's nothing Christian about enabling someones bad habit or addiction. Businesses have signs up & down our streets begging for help, so most of these panhandlers are just bums who won't work. Then I wouldn't give them money but get them some food. Or offer them food and if they reject it, or act like you said and walk out in disgust then so be it, but I've at least offered them food and done what's right. Although I always think what my uncle said, he said that £1 to me isn't much but it could be a drink to someone in need. He said give and leave God to judge as we don't know what they've been through in their lives. So I only gave £1 and that's enough for a drink. If they needed food when I asked, then I would get them some if I can. Actually that's exactly what you should do. Buy them the food and not give money. I remember once a guy was holding a sign in front of a grocery store I was going into asking for money to buy his dog (that sat beside him) some food. So while I was in the store I bought a couple of cans of dog food and gave them to him on my way out. He was not impressed. Unfortunately there will always be the panhandlers that do it just for the money. It's a literal job to some. So it's hard to know. That's why if they are asking for money to buy food or other things, I buy it for them and not give them money. |
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Post by snow on Aug 22, 2023 16:10:41 GMT -5
Yes I've heard that many don't even read a bible, they just take in what they are told in church, that's if they go to church. Someone in our meeting was told not to read the Bible and was given a Catholic book to read instead when she was in the Catholic church. And she said she had a shock when she did read the Bible, it was different to what she had been taught. She also said that when she told the priest and counteracted something he said with a quote from the Bible, he told her that the Bible was just for the priests and that she was going to hell for reading it. She was thinking of leaving the church at the time after reading the Bible, and he came to see her to see why, and when he found out she was reading the Bible he went mad with her, so she definitely left the church then. Also a lot of people here take their babies to be christened in church, have a big party and everything but don't ever go to church, not ever. I got invited to one not long ago, I asked the girl if she believed in God, she said yes, so I asked if she goes to the church that she was getting their baby christened into, and she said no. So I then asked why are you doing it if you never go? And she said it was to please her parents, I explained the way I believe regarding churches and in God, and told her I'm sorry but I won't be going, she understood. The thing is it was my nephew's baby, and he was only doing it to please his girl as he didn't want to do it, and it was only her and not him who told me she was only doing it to please others, and yet they had to pay for it all and they don't earn much. Then she told me it cost a lot of money, and it was things like £9 per song to sing, and £13 to put pictures on a tv and more if they wanted another TV to show pictures. It's absolutely crazy and just a money making scheme for some churches who are cloaked in their false beliefs and saying they they believe in Jesus and then make money from him. My birth family is like that. They do go to church most of the time, but when I quote bible verses that are 'challenging' to hear, they don't know about them. When I get a bible and read them to them, they are shocked and say they have to ask their pastor. I never do hear back from them though about what they think of it and what the pastor said. I know the bible better than a lot of really 'devout' Christians. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 22, 2023 19:09:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure you get to be the judge of who is worthy or not. I'm sure there were lazy people in the crowd where he fed the masses. He didn't discriminate. I do agree he wasn't all lovey dovey. I'm not that big a fan of him, but he was a lot more compassionate than a lot in his day. His exposure to other cultures in Egypt that was a melting pot of cultures probably gave him more insight into other philosophies. I think today's Christians that Christ's preaching's are 'too weak' and 'just don't work anymore' according to a recent poll of preachers in the US. Well if today's Christians think that, then they are not true Christians, or as I rather say followers of Christ. Because Jesus taught and showed us the true way to live, and if it's not good enough for them then tough luck. His way is the way and no one should try and change it. Did Jesus work for a living? |
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 22, 2023 19:14:14 GMT -5
I've had 3 experiences of my own.. One guy was holding a sign that said, "Will work for food". I offered him some work and he said, "No" and claimed he had a bad back. I had another guy come into my business and ask for money to get something to eat, so I gave him some. I then left work 5 minutes later and saw him up the street coming out of a liquor store with a pint of booze. The third time, another person came into my business and asked for $5 to get a hamburger. I only had $2 in my wallet and handed it to him. He looked at me with discuss and said, "I can't buy a f.....g burger with that" and then he threw the money on the floor and walked out.
Christians are to discern, otherwise they can be played for fools. There's nothing Christian about enabling someones bad habit or addiction. Businesses have signs up & down our streets begging for help, so most of these panhandlers are just bums who won't work. Had one of the friends here approach a woman with 2 kids once nearby. Offered her a 40hr a week job cleaning house min wage at the time 7.45hr the woman said no way I can make double that standing here... Stupid employers. Smart woman. According to the capitalist model, businesses who can't afford their costs of operation shouldn't be in business. At least she wasn't defrauding the welfare system.  |
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 22, 2023 19:15:52 GMT -5
I've had 3 experiences of my own.. One guy was holding a sign that said, "Will work for food". I offered him some work and he said, "No" and claimed he had a bad back. I had another guy come into my business and ask for money to get something to eat, so I gave him some. I then left work 5 minutes later and saw him up the street coming out of a liquor store with a pint of booze. The third time, another person came into my business and asked for $5 to get a hamburger. I only had $2 in my wallet and handed it to him. He looked at me with discuss and said, "I can't buy a f.....g burger with that" and then he threw the money on the floor and walked out.
Christians are to discern, otherwise they can be played for fools. There's nothing Christian about enabling someones bad habit or addiction. Businesses have signs up & down our streets begging for help, so most of these panhandlers are just bums who won't work. Then I wouldn't give them money but get them some food. Or offer them food and if they reject it, or act like you said and walk out in disgust then so be it, but I've at least offered them food and done what's right. Although I always think what my uncle said, he said that £1 to me isn't much but it could be a drink to someone in need. He said give and leave God to judge as we don't know what they've been through in their lives. So I only gave £1 and that's enough for a drink. If they needed food when I asked, then I would get them some if I can. But they need MONEY to get a place to sleep safely. |
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Post by Dan on Aug 22, 2023 23:15:52 GMT -5
Did Jesus work for a living?
Jesus worked so we'd have the opportunity to go on living.. He was proven to be the only one qualified for that tough task.
Stupid employers. Smart woman. According to the capitalist model, businesses who can't afford their costs of operation shouldn't be in business. At least she wasn't defrauding the welfare system.
If businesses paid what the woman wanted, they'd put themselves out of business.. Its a catch 22 situation, but I suspect she'd have a different outlook if people would stop throwing money at her!
But they need MONEY to get a place to sleep safely.
Most people who need money get a job, that's how you get a place to sleep. These aren't people who can't work, they're mostly people who won't work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2023 23:33:20 GMT -5
Had one of the friends here approach a woman with 2 kids once nearby. Offered her a 40hr a week job cleaning house min wage at the time 7.45hr the woman said no way I can make double that standing here... Stupid employers. Smart woman. According to the capitalist model, businesses who can't afford their costs of operation shouldn't be in business. At least she wasn't defrauding the welfare system. Yeah, no proof but I suspect she was indeed defrauding the system by cash on the side from her panhandling... |
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 23, 2023 0:39:51 GMT -5
Did Jesus work for a living? Jesus worked so we'd have the opportunity to go on living.. He was proven to be the only one qualified for that tough task.
I wanted to know what he did for the food, clothing, and money he had. How did he get that? She lived like Jesus -- on the contributions of others. Bad argument. You don't provide food, clothing, and housing for a family of three on a $300 a week, minus deductions. If she can double it the way she does, she's smart. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 23, 2023 0:49:14 GMT -5
Stupid employers. Smart woman. According to the capitalist model, businesses who can't afford their costs of operation shouldn't be in business. At least she wasn't defrauding the welfare system. Yeah, no proof but I suspect she was indeed defrauding the system by cash on the side from her panhandling... Good for her. McDonald's coach their employees on how to collect social assistance to supplement their 40-hour week salary. That way you get cheap food at McDonalds, and your tax dollars helps pay McDonald's employee wages. |
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Post by Dan on Aug 23, 2023 1:33:26 GMT -5
I wanted to know what he did for the food, clothing, and money he had. How did he get that? She lived like Jesus -- on the contributions of others. Bad argument. You don't provide food, clothing, and housing for a family of three on a $300 a week, minus deductions. If she can double it the way she does, she's smart.
Jesus healed hundreds, fed thousands, and walked over 3000 miles to spread the his gospel. People provided for his needs because of what he offered, what he did, and what he promised.
She didn't live like Jesus because Jesus wasn't a beggar who offered nothing. People gave because they saw the good spiritual work Jesus brought to them, and they got much more than they could ever pay for.
If you don't make enough to provide for yourself, perhaps you shouldn't be having kids and demanding the rest of society feed and house you.. A smart person doesn't need to swindle others out of money.
Everyone's got a poor-me excuse, but we all put ourselves in bad circumstances. I don't oppose giving a person a hand, but not when they make a living off the pity & compassion of others. We all pay for medicaid, food stamps (Snap), public housing, etc.. So we are all already taxed to pay for the poor.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Aug 23, 2023 1:44:00 GMT -5
I've had 3 experiences of my own.. One guy was holding a sign that said, "Will work for food". I offered him some work and he said, "No" and claimed he had a bad back. I had another guy come into my business and ask for money to get something to eat, so I gave him some. I then left work 5 minutes later and saw him up the street coming out of a liquor store with a pint of booze. The third time, another person came into my business and asked for $5 to get a hamburger. I only had $2 in my wallet and handed it to him. He looked at me with discuss and said, "I can't buy a f.....g burger with that" and then he threw the money on the floor and walked out.
Christians are to discern, otherwise they can be played for fools. There's nothing Christian about enabling someones bad habit or addiction. Businesses have signs up & down our streets begging for help, so most of these panhandlers are just bums who won't work.
Had one of the friends here approach a woman with 2 kids once nearby. Offered her a 40hr a week job cleaning house min wage at the time 7.45hr the woman said no way I can make double that standing here... Please don’t give them money . Buy them a hamburger , if they refuse , then they don’t need MONEY 💰 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 8:31:54 GMT -5
Yeah, no proof but I suspect she was indeed defrauding the system by cash on the side from her panhandling... Good for her. McDonald's coach their employees on how to collect social assistance to supplement their 40-hour week salary. That way you get cheap food at McDonalds, and your tax dollars helps pay McDonald's employee wages. Qualifying is different than fraud counselor... |
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Post by snow on Aug 23, 2023 14:00:29 GMT -5
Then I wouldn't give them money but get them some food. Or offer them food and if they reject it, or act like you said and walk out in disgust then so be it, but I've at least offered them food and done what's right. Although I always think what my uncle said, he said that £1 to me isn't much but it could be a drink to someone in need. He said give and leave God to judge as we don't know what they've been through in their lives. So I only gave £1 and that's enough for a drink. If they needed food when I asked, then I would get them some if I can. But they need MONEY to get a place to sleep safely. This is true. Maybe paying for a night in a hotel/safe place would work? |
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Post by snow on Aug 23, 2023 14:31:36 GMT -5
I wanted to know what he did for the food, clothing, and money he had. How did he get that? She lived like Jesus -- on the contributions of others. Bad argument. You don't provide food, clothing, and housing for a family of three on a $300 a week, minus deductions. If she can double it the way she does, she's smart. Jesus healed hundreds, fed thousands, and walked over 3000 miles to spread the his gospel. People provided for his needs because of what he offered, what he did, and what he promised. She didn't live like Jesus because Jesus wasn't a beggar who offered nothing. People gave because they saw the good spiritual work Jesus brought to them, and they got much more than they could ever pay for.
If you don't make enough to provide for yourself, perhaps you shouldn't be having kids and demanding the rest of society feed and house you.. A smart person doesn't need to swindle others out of money. Everyone's got a poor-me excuse, but we all put ourselves in bad circumstances. I don't oppose giving a person a hand, but not when they make a living off the pity & compassion of others. We all pay for medicaid, food stamps (Snap), public housing, etc.. So we are all already taxed to pay for the poor.
Not everyone is a smart person. Many who panhandle have PTSD or other mental health issues that most employers don't want to employ them for. There are many reasons people don't work. You should be very grateful that you are smart enough, haven't any mental health issues that makes it impossible to hold down a job etc. Those of us that have should share with those who don't. It's hard to know who they are because people can look completely capable on the outside. That's not a good guideline to judge people on though. You don't need to give over and above what you pay into the government if you don't want to. But bear in mind that the US does not have a good system in place to do much for those who can't take care of themselves for one reason or another. Conservatives are okay with that and most conservatives also say they follow Jesus. I find that rather ironic. The more atheist countries do a far better job of taking care of their people than more religious countries. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 23, 2023 23:35:10 GMT -5
I wanted to know what he did for the food, clothing, and money he had. How did he get that? She lived like Jesus -- on the contributions of others. Bad argument. You don't provide food, clothing, and housing for a family of three on a $300 a week, minus deductions. If she can double it the way she does, she's smart. Jesus healed hundreds, fed thousands, and walked over 3000 miles to spread the his gospel. People provided for his needs because of what he offered, what he did, and what he promised. She didn't live like Jesus because Jesus wasn't a beggar who offered nothing. People gave because they saw the good spiritual work Jesus brought to them, and they got much more than they could ever pay for.
If you don't make enough to provide for yourself, perhaps you shouldn't be having kids and demanding the rest of society feed and house you.. A smart person doesn't need to swindle others out of money. Everyone's got a poor-me excuse, but we all put ourselves in bad circumstances. I don't oppose giving a person a hand, but not when they make a living off the pity & compassion of others. We all pay for medicaid, food stamps (Snap), public housing, etc.. So we are all already taxed to pay for the poor.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 23, 2023 23:40:47 GMT -5
Good for her. McDonald's coach their employees on how to collect social assistance to supplement their 40-hour week salary. That way you get cheap food at McDonalds, and your tax dollars helps pay McDonald's employee wages. Qualifying is different than fraud counselor... But qualifying in this case equals welfare assistance for McDonald's. Why work to qualify McDonald's for corporate welfare? It makes people peasants. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 23, 2023 23:47:30 GMT -5
Jesus healed hundreds, fed thousands, and walked over 3000 miles to spread the his gospel. People provided for his needs because of what he offered, what he did, and what he promised. She didn't live like Jesus because Jesus wasn't a beggar who offered nothing. People gave because they saw the good spiritual work Jesus brought to them, and they got much more than they could ever pay for.
If you don't make enough to provide for yourself, perhaps you shouldn't be having kids and demanding the rest of society feed and house you.. A smart person doesn't need to swindle others out of money. Everyone's got a poor-me excuse, but we all put ourselves in bad circumstances. I don't oppose giving a person a hand, but not when they make a living off the pity & compassion of others. We all pay for medicaid, food stamps (Snap), public housing, etc.. So we are all already taxed to pay for the poor.
Not everyone is a smart person. Many who panhandle have PTSD or other mental health issues that most employers don't want to employ them for. There are many reasons people don't work. You should be very grateful that you are smart enough, haven't any mental health issues that makes it impossible to hold down a job etc. Those of us that have should share with those who don't. It's hard to know who they are because people can look completely capable on the outside. That's not a good guideline to judge people on though. You don't need to give over and above what you pay into the government if you don't want to. But bear in mind that the US does not have a good system in place to do much for those who can't take care of themselves for one reason or another. Conservatives are okay with that and most conservatives also say they follow Jesus. I find that rather ironic. The more atheist countries do a far better job of taking care of their people than more religious countries. I agree with you. The dollar is all that counts. and those who have it are worthy. Worthy, that is, to use others' labor to make themselves more worthy. The capitalist model does not provide for those who are not worthy -- only those who are "worthy". |
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 24, 2023 0:09:34 GMT -5
But they need MONEY to get a place to sleep safely. This is true. Maybe paying for a night in a hotel/safe place would work? My policy: give one a room in your house for whatever he/she can afford, and let them do the rest for themselves. In this society, that's the best one can hope to do for homeless people. If they can't handle that and make progress at becoming self sufficient, the state has a duty to provide them with humanitarian comforts, care, and protection. I know, not everyone can do that, but there are a lot more vacant bedrooms in the country that there are homeless people. For profit businesses that can't afford to provide a comfortable wage for their workers ought not to burden society with their thirst for profits-regardless. A person who sleeps on a sidewalk cannot be expected to provide for himself - - period. |
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Post by Dan on Aug 24, 2023 0:20:29 GMT -5
Jesus healed hundreds, fed thousands, and walked over 3000 miles to spread the his gospel. People provided for his needs because of what he offered, what he did, and what he promised. She didn't live like Jesus because Jesus wasn't a beggar who offered nothing. People gave because they saw the good spiritual work Jesus brought to them, and they got much more than they could ever pay for.
If you don't make enough to provide for yourself, perhaps you shouldn't be having kids and demanding the rest of society feed and house you.. A smart person doesn't need to swindle others out of money. Everyone's got a poor-me excuse, but we all put ourselves in bad circumstances. I don't oppose giving a person a hand, but not when they make a living off the pity & compassion of others. We all pay for medicaid, food stamps (Snap), public housing, etc.. So we are all already taxed to pay for the poor.
So are you suggesting that Jesus got paid for his services to others? His mission was supported, "Judas kept the money bag" (John 13:29), so obviously donations were made. They had to eat, "For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat" (John 4:8). So Jesus wasn't 'paid' in the sense that he drew a salary, he had nothing of substance. I was not suggesting that salvation was for sale, just that his physical needs were met. I'm relatively certain that Jesus didn't have an elite status credit card for any Best Western Motels. 
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 24, 2023 0:55:49 GMT -5
So are you suggesting that Jesus got paid for his services to others? His mission was supported, "Judas kept the money bag" (John 13:29), so obviously donations were made. They had to eat, "For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat" (John 4:8). So Jesus wasn't 'paid' in the sense that he drew a salary, he had nothing of substance. I was not suggesting that salvation was for sale, just that his physical needs were met. I'm relatively certain that Jesus didn't have an elite status credit card for any Best Western Motels. I know and agree with you on that. I was really making the point that we don't know of any incidents of anyone giving anything of value to Jesus or his disciples. We know they had money, because they handled it in the normal manner of people in their day and age. Under what circumstanced and from whom did they acquire money. He undoubtedly had no home, or he'd have had a place to lay his head. Maybe he did sleep on a sidewalk, on occasion, and/or taken money from strangers who felt sorry for him. I'm just not convinced that the workers "earn" more money than the homeless person on the sidewalk. They claim that their product is free, after all. |
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Post by Persona non grata on Aug 24, 2023 3:56:43 GMT -5
His mission was supported, "Judas kept the money bag" (John 13:29), so obviously donations were made. They had to eat, "For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat" (John 4:8). So Jesus wasn't 'paid' in the sense that he drew a salary, he had nothing of substance. I was not suggesting that salvation was for sale, just that his physical needs were met. I'm relatively certain that Jesus didn't have an elite status credit card for any Best Western Motels. I know and agree with you on that. I was really making the point that we don't know of any incidents of anyone giving anything of value to Jesus or his disciples. We know they had money, because they handled it in the normal manner of people in their day and age. Under what circumstanced and from whom did they acquire money. He undoubtedly had no home, or he'd have had a place to lay his head. Maybe he did sleep on a sidewalk, on occasion, and/or taken money from strangers who felt sorry for him. I'm just not convinced that the workers "earn" more money than the homeless person on the sidewalk. They claim that their product is free, after all. Luke 8: 1-3 (NIV) After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; Joanna the wife of Chuza, the manager of Herod’s household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 11:12:13 GMT -5
His mission was supported, "Judas kept the money bag" (John 13:29), so obviously donations were made. They had to eat, "For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat" (John 4:8). So Jesus wasn't 'paid' in the sense that he drew a salary, he had nothing of substance. I was not suggesting that salvation was for sale, just that his physical needs were met. I'm relatively certain that Jesus didn't have an elite status credit card for any Best Western Motels. I know and agree with you on that. I was really making the point that we don't know of any incidents of anyone giving anything of value to Jesus or his disciples. We know they had money, because they handled it in the normal manner of people in their day and age. Under what circumstanced and from whom did they acquire money. He undoubtedly had no home, or he'd have had a place to lay his head. Maybe he did sleep on a sidewalk, on occasion, and/or taken money from strangers who felt sorry for him. I'm just not convinced that the workers "earn" more money than the homeless person on the sidewalk. They claim that their product is free, after all. Women were mentioned as supporting Jesus and the apostles... |
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Post by snow on Aug 24, 2023 14:29:37 GMT -5
So are you suggesting that Jesus got paid for his services to others? His mission was supported, "Judas kept the money bag" (John 13:29), so obviously donations were made. They had to eat, "For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat" (John 4:8). So Jesus wasn't 'paid' in the sense that he drew a salary, he had nothing of substance. I was not suggesting that salvation was for sale, just that his physical needs were met. I'm relatively certain that Jesus didn't have an elite status credit card for any Best Western Motels. The friends have no problem giving money to the workers and really what do they do but run around staying in people's homes, eating their food and getting their money? They are fully capable of earning their own way, but they don't. |
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