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Post by chuck on Feb 7, 2024 14:30:38 GMT -5
Which 2 western 2x2 workers? Yes, I would like to KNOW which two Western workers Chuck were talking about also. Let us wait and see for his reply. Which kinds of tradition did William Irvine or the early days workers invented? That is so bad. Nathan it would take some research to see what Irvine and co dreamt up is absent original intent. Do you know anything about the hospitality customs that underlie these verses?. |
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Post by chuck on Feb 7, 2024 14:32:47 GMT -5
They 12 and 70 apostles found out Jesus teachings were true! Go by Faith and SELL ALL, carry light because this is going to be Itinerant way of life for TRUE preachers of the gospel lifestyle. Which verses say to sell all? It would seem to me that many can't sell all to follow the Christ character, they still need their religion........ |
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Post by Mary on Feb 7, 2024 15:18:59 GMT -5
Who says they have to go from house to house? Luke 10:5 Whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace to this house!’ 6 And if a person of peace is there, your peace will rest on that person, but if not, it will return to you. 7 Remain in the same house, eating and drinking whatever they provide, for the laborer deserves to be paid. Do not move about from house to house. Before I went in the work 1986-93 I read a book on customs and practices of the Jewish cultures in Jesus days, which help to me to understand Matthew 10 and Luke 10 situation. 2000 years ago, it was a custom for villagers to welcome strangers to stay with them over nights, feed them and so on! Hospitality. Jesus sent the 12 and 70 apostles on their 1st gospel mission without Jesus, proclaiming the Messiah has come as God had promised he would. Jesus told them NOT to go and stay from house to house! Just stay put in one home and sharing the gospel message every day this we they don’t waste time chatting this and that in every home. Their mission was to be a few weeks, Jesus wanted to show the apostles that all of their needs will be provided by strangers, and their own followers. In Matthew 6:25-34 Jesus told the apostles to seek first the kingdom of God then all these things shall be given unto THEM such as foods to eat, clothes to wear, money for their journey, homes to stay for the nights and so on. They 12 and 70 apostles found out Jesus teachings were true! Go by Faith and SELL ALL, carry light because this is going to be Itinerant way of life for TRUE preachers of the gospel lifestyle. Be on the move at a fast speed for the gospel to reach to ALL nations so most countries will have the opportunity in hearing and believing the gospel messsge of their Salvation Jesus SAVES us. Then He can Returns to Rule and Reign on the earth 1000 years. Read Matthew 24:14; Jude 14-15. God and Christ are recruiting/you must be born again! people from this planet, which are made up of people from every nations in every generation to become His children so, they can help them to invite beings which they created in the Universe, who had never heard of Yahweh God their creators! To become apart of this great, awesome Family of God. ~~~ We read in the gospel of Acts the apostles/Paul and history-workers stayed in the homes of their converts, whenever they go on their missions to different places and countries! NOT going from house to house was just for the 12 and 70 apostles 1st mission only! Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry is the preachers/apostles without having homes of their own, and the Church gathering/worship to be held in the homes of believers. How can’t the workers can’t go from house to house to stay? one home can’t take in workers for a long period of time it would be putting too much stress and burden on that family! So, God wants all the believers to take turn to care and provide and meet the workers needs. If my memory serves me correctly, the 70 were disciples not apostles. There is record of the 70 going out on one mission and returning. Nor does it say they sold their goods. Many people go out on a mission for a short period of time and return just like these disciples did. They are not apostles nor sold their things. That is how you twist things Nathan to fit on with your own agenda. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 7, 2024 15:19:09 GMT -5
Yes, I would like to KNOW which two Western workers Chuck were talking about also. Let us wait and see for his reply. Which kinds of tradition did William Irvine or the early days workers invented? That is so bad. Nathan it would take some research to see what Irvine and co dreamt up is absent original intent. Do you know anything about the hospitality customs that underlie these verses?. Which verses are you talking about? |
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Post by chuck on Feb 7, 2024 15:36:25 GMT -5
Nathan it would take some research to see what Irvine and co dreamt up is absent original intent. Do you know anything about the hospitality customs that underlie these verses?. Which verses are you talking about? luke 10 |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 7, 2024 15:36:56 GMT -5
Before I went in the work 1986-93 I read a book on customs and practices of the Jewish cultures in Jesus days, which help to me to understand Matthew 10 and Luke 10 situation. 2000 years ago, it was a custom for villagers to welcome strangers to stay with them over nights, feed them and so on! Hospitality. Jesus sent the 12 and 70 apostles on their 1st gospel mission without Jesus, proclaiming the Messiah has come as God had promised he would. Jesus told them NOT to go and stay from house to house! Just stay put in one home and sharing the gospel message every day this we they don’t waste time chatting this and that in every home. Their mission was to be a few weeks, Jesus wanted to show the apostles that all of their needs will be provided by strangers, and their own followers. In Matthew 6:25-34 Jesus told the apostles to seek first the kingdom of God then all these things shall be given unto THEM such as foods to eat, clothes to wear, money for their journey, homes to stay for the nights and so on. They 12 and 70 apostles found out Jesus teachings were true! Go by Faith and SELL ALL, carry light because this is going to be Itinerant way of life for TRUE preachers of the gospel lifestyle. Be on the move at a fast speed for the gospel to reach to ALL nations so most countries will have the opportunity in hearing and believing the gospel messsge of their Salvation Jesus SAVES us. Then He can Returns to Rule and Reign on the earth 1000 years. Read Matthew 24:14; Jude 14-15. God and Christ are recruiting/you must be born again! people from this planet, which are made up of people from every nations in every generation to become His children so, they can help them to invite beings which they created in the Universe, who had never heard of Yahweh God their creators! To become apart of this great, awesome Family of God. ~~~ We read in the gospel of Acts the apostles/Paul and history-workers stayed in the homes of their converts, whenever they go on their missions to different places and countries! NOT going from house to house was just for the 12 and 70 apostles 1st mission only! Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry is the preachers/apostles without having homes of their own, and the Church gathering/worship to be held in the homes of believers. How can’t the workers can’t go from house to house to stay? one home can’t take in workers for a long period of time it would be putting too much stress and burden on that family! So, God wants all the believers to take turn to care and provide and meet the workers needs. If my memory serves me correctly, the 70 were disciples not apostles. There is record ofvthe 70 going out on one mission and returning. Nor does it say they sold their goods. Many people go out on a mission for a short period of time and return just like these disciples did. They are not apostles nor sold their things. That is how you twist things Nathan to fit on with your own agenda. The 70 were apostles according to Barnabas writing which I have  He was Paul older co-worker. Barnabas was one of those 70 apostles in Luke 10. The 70 apostles Sold ALL eventually just like anyone who entered Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry. The 12 apostles didn’t go by by believe or trust Saul/Paul’s conversion through the resurrected Jesus on the way to Damascus Acts 9. However, Ananias a disciple of Jesus, told to those in the fellowship how the resurrected appeared to him in a vision, where Jesus told him to go and heal Saul’s eyesight, baptized him and welcome him into the fellowship! The apostles in Jerusalem believed Saul was a Pharisee SPY! enter in the find out the inner working of the group and how many of them were in the group. Barnabas, was one of the 70 apostles believed in Paul’s conversion was REAL and he took Saul/Paul into the ministry as his younger co-worker in Acts 11:25. Barnabas had the seniority as the 12 apostles and they didn’t objected of his choice at all! It proved Barnabas choice was correct to take Paul in the ministry and he was indeed a chosen Vessel by Jesus Christ Himself. Paul’s ministry has SAVED and PRESERVED Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Test. Ministry and the churches! The Vaudouis from Rome in 67 A.D. carry on Paul and Jesus legacy through the centuries and it has preserved to our days! |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 7, 2024 15:38:47 GMT -5
Which verses are you talking about? luke 10 I already explained in one of my posts, didn’t you read it? Pick any verses in Matthew 10 or Luke 10, we can go over it verses by verses. |
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Post by chuck on Feb 7, 2024 16:03:15 GMT -5
I already explained in one of my posts, didn’t you read it? Pick any verses in Matthew 10 or Luke 10, we can go over it verses by verses. Oh, what were the customs then? |
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Post by Mary on Feb 7, 2024 16:06:48 GMT -5
If my memory serves me correctly, the 70 were disciples not apostles. There is record ofvthe 70 going out on one mission and returning. Nor does it say they sold their goods. Many people go out on a mission for a short period of time and return just like these disciples did. They are not apostles nor sold their things. That is how you twist things Nathan to fit on with your own agenda. The 70 were apostles according to Barnabas writing which I have He was Paul older co-worker. Barnabas was one of those 70 apostles in Luke 10. The 70 apostles Sold ALL eventually just like anyone who entered Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry. The 12 apostles didn’t go by by believe or trust Saul/Paul’s conversion through the resurrected Jesus on the way to Damascus Acts 9. However, Ananias a disciple of Jesus, told to those in the fellowship how the resurrected appeared to him in a vision, where Jesus told him to go and heal Saul’s eyesight, baptized him and welcome him into the fellowship! The apostles in Jerusalem believed Saul was a Pharisee SPY! enter in the find out the inner working of the group and how many of them were in the group. Barnabas, was one of the 70 apostles believed in Paul’s conversion was REAL and he took Saul/Paul into the ministry as his younger co-worker in Acts 11:25. Barnabas had the seniority as the 12 apostles and they didn’t objected of his choice at all! It proved Barnabas choice was correct to take Paul in the ministry and he was indeed a chosen Vessel by Jesus Christ Himself. Paul’s ministry has SAVED and PRESERVED Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Test. Ministry and the churches! The Vaudouis from Rome in 67 A.D. carry on Paul and Jesus legacy through the centuries and it has preserved to our days! They were 70 disciples sent on one mission. No record they went out again. Of course some might have continued preaching after that. It doesn't say Barnabas was one of the 70 although the orthodox church has created a list with him on. The Vaudios died out and the Waldensians merged with the Presbyterians. The gospel continues in many churches of which the 2x2 is a dying breed. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 7, 2024 16:07:38 GMT -5
Who says they have to go from house to house? Luke 10:5 Whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace to this house!’ 6 And if a person of peace is there, your peace will rest on that person, but if not, it will return to you. 7 Remain in the same house, eating and drinking whatever they provide, for the laborer deserves to be paid. Do not move about from house to house. Before I went in the work 1986-93 I read a book on customs and practices of the Jewish cultures in Jesus days, which help to me to understand Matthew 10 and Luke 10 situation. 2000 years ago, it was a custom for villagers to welcome strangers to stay with them over nights, feed them and so on! Hospitality. Jesus sent the 12 and 70 apostles on their 1st gospel mission without Jesus, proclaiming the Messiah has come as God had promised he would. Jesus told them NOT to go and stay from house to house! Just stay put in one home and sharing the gospel message every day this we they don’t waste time chatting this and that in every home. Their mission was to be a few weeks, Jesus wanted to show the apostles that all of their needs will be provided by strangers, and their own followers. In Matthew 6:25-34 Jesus told the apostles to seek first the kingdom of God then all these things shall be given unto THEM such as foods to eat, clothes to wear, money for their journey, homes to stay for the nights and so on. They 12 and 70 apostles found out Jesus teachings were true! Go by Faith and SELL ALL, carry light because this is going to be Itinerant way of life for TRUE preachers of the gospel lifestyle. Be on the move at a fast speed for the gospel to reach to ALL nations so most countries will have the opportunity in hearing and believing the gospel messsge of their Salvation Jesus SAVES us. Then He can Returns to Rule and Reign on the earth 1000 years. Read Matthew 24:14; Jude 14-15. God and Christ are recruiting/you must be born again! people from this planet, which are made up of people from every nations in every generation to become His children so, they can help them to invite beings which they created in the Universe, who had never heard of Yahweh God their creators! To become apart of this great, awesome Family of God. ~~~ We read in the gospel of Acts the apostles/Paul and history-workers stayed in the homes of their converts, whenever they go on their missions to different places and countries! NOT going from house to house was just for the 12 and 70 apostles 1st mission only! Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry is the preachers/apostles without having homes of their own, and the Church gathering/worship to be held in the homes of believers. Why can’t the workers stay in one home? Because one home can’t take in workers for a long period of time it would be putting too much stress and burden on that family! So, God wants all the believers to take turn to care and provide and meet the workers needs. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 7, 2024 16:24:24 GMT -5
The 70 were apostles according to Barnabas writing which I have He was Paul older co-worker. Barnabas was one of those 70 apostles in Luke 10. The 70 apostles Sold ALL eventually just like anyone who entered Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry. The 12 apostles didn’t go by by believe or trust Saul/Paul’s conversion through the resurrected Jesus on the way to Damascus Acts 9. However, Ananias a disciple of Jesus, told to those in the fellowship how the resurrected appeared to him in a vision, where Jesus told him to go and heal Saul’s eyesight, baptized him and welcome him into the fellowship! The apostles in Jerusalem believed Saul was a Pharisee SPY! enter in the find out the inner working of the group and how many of them were in the group. Barnabas, was one of the 70 apostles believed in Paul’s conversion was REAL and he took Saul/Paul into the ministry as his younger co-worker in Acts 11:25. Barnabas had the seniority as the 12 apostles and they didn’t objected of his choice at all! It proved Barnabas choice was correct to take Paul in the ministry and he was indeed a chosen Vessel by Jesus Christ Himself. Paul’s ministry has SAVED and PRESERVED Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Test. Ministry and the churches! The Vaudouis from Rome in 67 A.D. carry on Paul and Jesus legacy through the centuries and it has preserved to our days! They were 70 disciples sent on one mission. No record they went out again. Of course some might have continued preaching after that. It doesn't say Barnabas was one of the 70 although the orthodox church has created a list with him on. When I get home I will post the information on Barnabas for you. Before Jesus sent out the 12 in Matthew 10 he asked the apostles to PRAY to God the Father He would send more workers/Laborers in the the harvest field/the world. A few weeks later, Jesus send out 70 sent ones= apostles on the same mission similar to the 12 in Matthew 10. Jesus KNEW 82 apostles/workers will NOT be enough for the next 2000 years! They will need more apostles in the book of Acts we read God, Christ and Holt Spirit send more apostles in the ministry as as Matthias to replace Judas Acts 2, Saul/Paul Acts 9, Silas, Mark, Timothy, Silas, Titus and many more in the epistles of Paul.. and MANY! MANY more workers were sending out even in our days! Now, it has slow down due to Workers with CSA! God is cleansing the ministry and the church who had these kinds of problems. Once the problems are taken care of, by taken these CSA abusers out of the ministry and the fellowship. Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry will prosper again! |
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Post by fixit on Feb 7, 2024 16:44:46 GMT -5
Who says they have to go from house to house? Luke 10:5 Whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace to this house!’ 6 And if a person of peace is there, your peace will rest on that person, but if not, it will return to you. 7 Remain in the same house, eating and drinking whatever they provide, for the laborer deserves to be paid. Do not move about from house to house. Before I went in the work 1986-93 I read a book on customs and practices of the Jewish cultures in Jesus days, which help to me to understand Matthew 10 and Luke 10 situation. 2000 years ago, it was a custom for villagers to welcome strangers to stay with them over nights, feed them and so on! Hospitality. Jesus sent the 12 and 70 apostles on their 1st gospel mission without Jesus, proclaiming the Messiah has come as God had promised he would. Jesus told them NOT to go and stay from house to house! Just stay put in one home and sharing the gospel message every day this we they don’t waste time chatting this and that in every home. Their mission was to be a few weeks, Jesus wanted to show the apostles that all of their needs will be provided by strangers, and their own followers. In Matthew 6:25-34 Jesus told the apostles to seek first the kingdom of God then all these things shall be given unto THEM such as foods to eat, clothes to wear, money for their journey, homes to stay for the nights and so on. They 12 and 70 apostles found out Jesus teachings were true! Go by Faith and SELL ALL, carry light because this is going to be Itinerant way of life for TRUE preachers of the gospel lifestyle. Be on the move at a fast speed for the gospel to reach to ALL nations so most countries will have the opportunity in hearing and believing the gospel messsge of their Salvation Jesus SAVES us. Then He can Returns to Rule and Reign on the earth 1000 years. Read Matthew 24:14; Jude 14-15. God and Christ are recruiting/you must be born again! people from this planet, which are made up of people from every nations in every generation to become His children so, they can help them to invite beings which they created in the Universe, who had never heard of Yahweh God their creators! To become apart of this great, awesome Family of God. ~~~ We read in the gospel of Acts the apostles/Paul and history-workers stayed in the homes of their converts, whenever they go on their missions to different places and countries! NOT going from house to house was just for the 12 and 70 apostles 1st mission only! Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry is the preachers/apostles without having homes of their own, and the Church gathering/worship to be held in the homes of believers. How can’t the workers can’t go from house to house to stay? one home can’t take in workers for a long period of time it would be putting too much stress and burden on that family! So, God wants all the believers to take turn to care and provide and meet the workers needs. So the 2x2 model of going from house to house is taken from Acts rather than Matthew 10? |
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Post by Mary on Feb 7, 2024 16:58:48 GMT -5
They were 70 disciples sent on one mission. No record they went out again. Of course some might have continued preaching after that. It doesn't say Barnabas was one of the 70 although the orthodox church has created a list with him on. When I get home I will post the information on Barnabas for you. Before Jesus sent out the 12 in Matthew 10 he asked the apostles to PRAY to God the Father He would send more workers/Laborers in the the harvest field/the world. A few weeks later, Jesus send out 70 sent ones= apostles on the same mission similar to the 12 in Matthew 10. Jesus KNEW 82 apostles/workers will NOT be enough for the next 2000 years! They will need more apostles in the book of Acts we read God, Christ and Holt Spirit send more apostles in the ministry as as Matthias to replace Judas Acts 2, Saul/Paul Acts 9, Silas, Mark, Timothy, Silas, Titus and many more in the epistles of Paul.. and MANY! MANY more workers were sending out even in our days! Now, it has slow down due to Workers with CSA! God is cleansing the ministry and the church who had these kinds of problems. Once the problems are taken care of, by taken these CSA abusers out of the ministry and the fellowship. Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry will prosper again! No need to post any of your stuff. I can read plenty of stuff on the internet. The workers church slowed down a long time ago. It's built on shifting sand. The workers are not the Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry, no matter how many times you say it to try and convince yourself that it is. It is a church started by William Irvine around 1897. They've sat in peoples home and done nothing except visit their own, ever since I've known them for 70 years. Nothing like we read in the NT. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 7, 2024 17:27:39 GMT -5
The 70 were apostles according to Barnabas writing which I have He was Paul older co-worker. Barnabas was one of those 70 apostles in Luke 10. The 70 apostles Sold ALL eventually just like anyone who entered Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry. The 12 apostles didn’t go by by believe or trust Saul/Paul’s conversion through the resurrected Jesus on the way to Damascus Acts 9. However, Ananias a disciple of Jesus, told to those in the fellowship how the resurrected appeared to him in a vision, where Jesus told him to go and heal Saul’s eyesight, baptized him and welcome him into the fellowship! The apostles in Jerusalem believed Saul was a Pharisee SPY! enter in the find out the inner working of the group and how many of them were in the group. Barnabas, was one of the 70 apostles believed in Paul’s conversion was REAL and he took Saul/Paul into the ministry as his younger co-worker in Acts 11:25. Barnabas had the seniority as the 12 apostles and they didn’t objected of his choice at all! It proved Barnabas choice was correct to take Paul in the ministry and he was indeed a chosen Vessel by Jesus Christ Himself. Paul’s ministry has SAVED and PRESERVED Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Test. Ministry and the churches! The Vaudouis from Rome in 67 A.D. carry on Paul and Jesus legacy through the centuries and it has preserved to our days! They were 70 disciples sent on one mission. No record they went out again. Of course some might have continued preaching after that. It doesn't say Barnabas was one of the 70 although the orthodox church has created a list with him on. The Vaudios died out and the Waldensians merged with the Presbyterians. The gospel continues in many churches of which the 2x2 is a dying breed. NOT so, the 2x2 is NOT a dying breed at all. It will continue to the time of Christ returns. Read 24:-30-35. Once the 2x2s got the CSA workers abused eliminated from the ministry and fellowship Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry will prosper again. God is cleaning the ministry and the church right now. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 7, 2024 17:30:01 GMT -5
Before I went in the work 1986-93 I read a book on customs and practices of the Jewish cultures in Jesus days, which help to me to understand Matthew 10 and Luke 10 situation. 2000 years ago, it was a custom for villagers to welcome strangers to stay with them over nights, feed them and so on! Hospitality. Jesus sent the 12 and 70 apostles on their 1st gospel mission without Jesus, proclaiming the Messiah has come as God had promised he would. Jesus told them NOT to go and stay from house to house! Just stay put in one home and sharing the gospel message every day this we they don’t waste time chatting this and that in every home. Their mission was to be a few weeks, Jesus wanted to show the apostles that all of their needs will be provided by strangers, and their own followers. In Matthew 6:25-34 Jesus told the apostles to seek first the kingdom of God then all these things shall be given unto THEM such as foods to eat, clothes to wear, money for their journey, homes to stay for the nights and so on. They 12 and 70 apostles found out Jesus teachings were true! Go by Faith and SELL ALL, carry light because this is going to be Itinerant way of life for TRUE preachers of the gospel lifestyle. Be on the move at a fast speed for the gospel to reach to ALL nations so most countries will have the opportunity in hearing and believing the gospel messsge of their Salvation Jesus SAVES us. Then He can Returns to Rule and Reign on the earth 1000 years. Read Matthew 24:14; Jude 14-15. God and Christ are recruiting/you must be born again! people from this planet, which are made up of people from every nations in every generation to become His children so, they can help them to invite beings which they created in the Universe, who had never heard of Yahweh God their creators! To become apart of this great, awesome Family of God. ~~~ We read in the gospel of Acts the apostles/Paul and history-workers stayed in the homes of their converts, whenever they go on their missions to different places and countries! NOT going from house to house was just for the 12 and 70 apostles 1st mission only! Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry is the preachers/apostles without having homes of their own, and the Church gathering/worship to be held in the homewasstay? one home can’t take in workers for a long period of time it would be putting too much stress and burden on that family! So, God wants all the believers to take turn to care and provide and meet the workers needs. So the 2x2 model of going from house to house is taken from Acts rather than Matthew 10? No, it was God’s intention from the start! To the end of Jesus returns. Jesus stayed in the homes of his followers, Mary, Martha and Lazarus, Zachary’s, and other disciples. Paul apostle and his Co-workers follow Jesus example and pattern, they stated in the home of Lydia, the Jailer, Philip the Evangelist and many of their disciples throughout the book of Acts. |
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Post by Mary on Feb 7, 2024 17:36:53 GMT -5
They were 70 disciples sent on one mission. No record they went out again. Of course some might have continued preaching after that. It doesn't say Barnabas was one of the 70 although the orthodox church has created a list with him on. The Vaudios died out and the Waldensians merged with the Presbyterians. The gospel continues in many churches of which the 2x2 is a dying breed. NOT so, the 2x2 is NOT a dying breed at all. It will continue to the time of Christ returns. Read 24:-30-35. Once the 2x2s got the CSA workers abused eliminated from the ministry and fellowship Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry will prosper again. God is cleaning the ministry and the church right now. The only reason they got so many people in the early days was because of the lie they told that they have no earthly founder and go back to the shores of Galilee. This won't work anymore with the internet. The sexual abuse is not the only reason people are not interestedin the workers. Lack of interest started years before the sexual abuse was acknowledged. Honest people are leaving and want no part of it. Only families are in it. |
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Post by Mary on Feb 7, 2024 17:39:45 GMT -5
So the 2x2 model of going from house to house is taken from Acts rather than Matthew 10? Yes, it was God’s intention from the start! To the end of Jesus returns. Jesus stayed in the homes of his followers. Jesus stayed some times in the home of his followers. He did not spend his life sitting in their homes and only visiting his followers He was out preaching, places where he had no followers. I'm sure he didn't send word out asking people can he stay in their home, eat their food, drive their car ahead of traveling to a new town like the workers do. Jesus had no where to lay his head. He was poor and homeless. The workers aren't. They book a place ahead and make sure they have a cozy bed to go to and have money and a bank account. No comparison to Jesus. |
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Post by chuck on Feb 7, 2024 17:56:18 GMT -5
So the 2x2 model of going from house to house is taken from Acts rather than Matthew 10? Yes, it was God’s intention from the start! To the end of Jesus returns. Jesus stayed in the homes of his followers. You have made it fit your bias. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2024 18:22:51 GMT -5
Before I went in the work 1986-93 I read a book on customs and practices of the Jewish cultures in Jesus days, which help to me to understand Matthew 10 and Luke 10 situation. 2000 years ago, it was a custom for villagers to welcome strangers to stay with them over nights, feed them and so on! Hospitality. Jesus sent the 12 and 70 apostles on their 1st gospel mission without Jesus, proclaiming the Messiah has come as God had promised he would. Jesus told them NOT to go and stay from house to house! Just stay put in one home and sharing the gospel message every day this we they don’t waste time chatting this and that in every home. Their mission was to be a few weeks, Jesus wanted to show the apostles that all of their needs will be provided by strangers, and their own followers. ... ~~~ We read in the gospel of Acts the apostles/Paul and history-workers stayed in the homes of their converts, whenever they go on their missions to different places and countries! NOT going from house to house was just for the 12 and 70 apostles 1st mission only! Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry is the preachers/apostles without having homes of their own, and the Church gathering/worship to be held in the homes of believers. So the 2x2 model of going from house to house is taken from Acts rather than Matthew 10? I understood from an earlier post of Nate's that he now believes that the 2x2 model of going from house to house is actually taken from the Faith Mission (where he claimed that Wm Irvine "got his ideas from"): You need to study the Faith Mission group organization closer! John Long didn’t want to become FM preacher in 1898, but he joined as a Faith Mission prayer union as a member from 1898-1914. They have church meetings/worship where they come together to pray Sunday for their group believers. They have Bible studies during the week also. The FM workers stay in the homes of their followers. You don’t think that is an organization and a church denomination? Where do you think, William Irvine and his 2x2 workers and friends get their ideas of 2x2 apostolic New Testament and Sunday morning and week day Bible studies from? The Faith Mission group/Church! Now I'm confused  |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 7, 2024 18:35:12 GMT -5
NOT so, the 2x2 is NOT a dying breed at all. It will continue to the time of Christ returns. Read 24:-30-35. Once the 2x2s got the CSA workers abused eliminated from the ministry and fellowship Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry will prosper again. God is cleaning the ministry and the church right now. The only reason they got so many people in the early days was because of the lie they told that they have no earthly founder and go back to the shores of Galilee. This won't work anymore with the internet. The sexual abuse is not the only reason people are not interestedin the workers. Lack of interest started years before the sexual abuse was acknowledged. Honest people are leaving and want no part of it. Only families are in it. The early workers were NOT LYING at ALL. They got that revelation from God and Christ. That was how I received the same revelation without Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry New T. And God’s people history to back it up! I just read Jesus teachings and I believed in Faith! Jesus said to the apostles Upon this ROCK! I will build MY Church and the gates of HELL Shall NOT prevail against it.. And this gospel shall be preached to all nations then shall come the end of Gentiles era. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 7, 2024 18:47:25 GMT -5
So the 2x2 model of going from house to house is taken from Acts rather than Matthew 10? I understood from an earlier post of Nate's that he now believes that the 2x2 model of going from house to house is actually taken from the Faith Mission (where he claimed that Wm Irvine "got his ideas from"): You need to study the Faith Mission group organization closer! John Long didn’t want to become FM preacher in 1898, but he joined as a Faith Mission prayer union as a member from 1898-1914. They have church meetings/worship where they come together to pray Sunday for their group believers. They have Bible studies during the week also. The FM workers stay in the homes of their followers. You don’t think that is an organization and a church denomination? Where do you think, William Irvine and his 2x2 workers and friends get their ideas of 2x2 apostolic New Testament and Sunday morning and week day Bible studies from? The Faith Mission group/Church! Now I'm confused The Faith Mission had Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry; going from house to house but had Sunday morning meetings but without Christ’t Passover/Eucharists/emblems. The 2x2 copied the Faith Mission Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and Sunday morning but the 2x2s add the emblems and baptism for their converts. |
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Post by xna on Feb 7, 2024 18:48:04 GMT -5
The only reason they got so many people in the early days was because of the lie they told that they have no earthly founder and go back to the shores of Galilee. This won't work anymore with the internet. There is a lot of exposure on the 2x2 on the internet now. I just check the one post from X (formally Twitter), and that one post has been viewed by more than 257,000 so far. x.com/bbcworld/status/1751401747317412154?s=46&t=T0CcSe_FUdRZ3Oz1aD4hCA |
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Post by chuck on Feb 7, 2024 18:50:58 GMT -5
The only reason they got so many people in the early days was because of the lie they told that they have no earthly founder and go back to the shores of Galilee. This won't work anymore with the internet. The sexual abuse is not the only reason people are not interestedin the workers. Lack of interest started years before the sexual abuse was acknowledged. Honest people are leaving and want no part of it. Only families are in it. The early workers were NOT LYING at ALL. They got that revelation from God and Christ. That was how I received the same revelation without Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry New T. And God’s people history to back it up! I just read Jesus teachings and I believed in Faith! Jesus said to the apostles Upon this ROCK! I will build MY Church and the gates of HELL Shall NOT prevail against it.. And this gospel shall be preached to all nations then shall come the end of Gentiles era. Prove it without using the bible or referencing it. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2024 18:54:05 GMT -5
The Faith Mission had Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry; going from house to house but had Sunday morning meetings but without Christ’s Passover/Eucharists/emblems. The 2x2 copied the Faith Mission Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and Sunday morning but the 2x2s add the emblems and baptism for their converts. Thanks, now it's crystal clear (so from 1897, thanks to Mr Irvine, things got back on track!) |
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Post by Mary on Feb 7, 2024 18:56:46 GMT -5
I understood from an earlier post of Nate's that he now believes that the 2x2 model of going from house to house is actually taken from the Faith Mission (where he claimed that Wm Irvine "got his ideas from"): Now I'm confused The Faith Mission had Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry; going from house to house but had Sunday morning meetings but without Christ’t Passover/Eucharists/emblems. The 2x2 copied the Faith Mission Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and Sunday morning but the 2x2s add the emblems and baptism for their converts. You make it up as you go Nathan. The workers did not have Sunday morning meetings until several years later. It was their intention that everyone who joined them went out preaching but for many this was not possible so a few years later they started fellowship meetings. Where did you get it from that the Faith Mission had Sunday morning meetings. They were based on the premise which the workers copied, which was that everyone goes preaching. They were part of mainstream Churches. I would guess they would have prayer meetings, many Christians have prayer meetings. Does not make them a church. The Faith Missions purpose was not to be a church but to work with the churches that were there. Where does it say the Faith Mission workers stayed in converts homes? They would have gone house to house inviting people to hear them, that's a lot different from staying in their homes. |
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Post by Mary on Feb 7, 2024 19:06:47 GMT -5
The only reason they got so many people in the early days was because of the lie they told that they have no earthly founder and go back to the shores of Galilee. This won't work anymore with the internet. The sexual abuse is not the only reason people are not interestedin the workers. Lack of interest started years before the sexual abuse was acknowledged. Honest people are leaving and want no part of it. Only families are in it. The early workers were NOT LYING at ALL. They got that revelation from God and Christ. That was how I received the same revelation without Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry New T. And God’s people history to back it up! I just read Jesus teachings and I believed in Faith! Jesus said to the apostles Upon this ROCK! I will build MY Church and the gates of HELL Shall NOT prevail against it.. And this gospel shall be preached to all nations then shall come the end of Gentiles era. So it was not from the beginning. They got a revelation a couple of thousand years later just like many others who start a church. The gates of hell have prevailed against it. It began dying out years ago. It just began speeding up lately. They rarely go to the Gentiles or to other nations. Sure signs it's not the true church. |
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Post by chuck on Feb 7, 2024 19:20:23 GMT -5
The early workers were NOT LYING at ALL. They got that revelation from God and Christ. That was how I received the same revelation without Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry New T. And God’s people history to back it up! I just read Jesus teachings and I believed in Faith! Jesus said to the apostles Upon this ROCK! I will build MY Church and the gates of HELL Shall NOT prevail against it.. And this gospel shall be preached to all nations then shall come the end of Gentiles era. So it was not from the beginning. They got a revelation a couple of thousand years later just like many others who start a church. The gates of hell have prevailed against it. It began dying out years ago. It just began speeding up lately. They rarely go to the Gentiles or to other nations. Sure signs it's not the true church. We know psychedelics were a big part of past religious experiences, my question is what was Irvine smoking or consuming?. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2024 19:29:09 GMT -5
You make it up as you go Nathan. The workers did not have Sunday morning meetings until several years later. It was their intention that everyone who joined them went out preaching but for many this was not possible so a few years later they started fellowship meetings. Where did you get it from that the Faith Mission had Sunday morning meetings. They were based on the premise which the workers copied, which was that everyone goes preaching. They were part of mainstream Churches. I would guess they would have prayer meetings, many Christians have prayer meetings. Does not make them a church. The Faith Missions purpose was not to be a church but to work with the churches that were there. Where does it say the Faith Mission workers stayed in converts homes? They would have gone house to house inviting people to hear them, that's a lot different from staying in their homes. Yes I was thinking that the Faith Mission will have to rewrite their official early history, based on Nathan's new revelations about them having Sunday morning meeting! However, calmer analysis indicates this is not so. Rather, they (like many such revival activities around the late 1800s and early 1900s) grew from the wider revivals such as the Second Great Awakening, Holiness Movement and Welsh Revival. Keswick Conventions had similar roots (begun in 1875). The purpose of the Faith Mission and Keswick Conventions was (and remains to this day) to refresh and restore local churches (not to replace with their own form or brand of doing church). That was Irvine's 'Big Idea' and big difference with the FM, the fruits of which we are seeing today, including right here on TMB. |
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He was Paul older co-worker. Barnabas was one of those 70 apostles in Luke 10. The 70 apostles Sold ALL eventually just like anyone who entered Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry. 
