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Post by chuck on Jul 8, 2023 7:57:54 GMT -5
You were in the Truth for 50 years and also an elder and never had IT? You've been lying all this time? Interesting revelation... No, I didn't lie. I never said I had IT. I had a lot of things, but never IT. What is IT?
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Post by chuck on Jul 8, 2023 8:20:36 GMT -5
What a clueless response to a reasonable request! I see zero in you, do tell how you got to that place especially as an Elder... Because he is not like you maybe.....
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Post by chuck on Jul 8, 2023 8:22:14 GMT -5
You were in the Truth for 50 years and also an elder and never had IT? You've been lying all this time? Interesting revelation... Where is the indication on these boards that you have IT? After all the crap that has gone down over the last little while it is insane to still call it "the truth"........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 8:35:52 GMT -5
I see zero in you, do tell how you got to that place especially as an Elder... Because he is not like you maybe..... Beyond a shadow of a doubt. Must agree with you there...
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Post by chuck on Jul 8, 2023 8:58:48 GMT -5
Because he is not like you maybe..... Beyond a shadow of a doubt. Must agree with you there... Sour grapes
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 8, 2023 11:06:29 GMT -5
No, I didn't lie. I never said I had IT. I had a lot of things, but never IT. What is IT? I don't really know. Apparently Wally has IT, but I never did, that I knew of. Whatever IT is has been around for quite some time, because even when I was a kid I heard people talking about people do never had IT, usually if they stopped going to meetings. One time my grandfather told someone that his distant relative finally had IT, after he'd been professing for maybe 15 years. I guess no one got around to giving IT to me, and the only thing I've ever learned about me and IT was that Wally said that I either lost IT or never had IT. I don't even know what IT's called, other than "IT". If Nathan were here he could maybe call it Alien Information Technology, or something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 11:30:40 GMT -5
I don't really know. Apparently Wally has IT, but I never did, that I knew of. Whatever IT is has been around for quite some time, because even when I was a kid I heard people talking about people do never had IT, usually if they stopped going to meetings. One time my grandfather told someone that his distant relative finally had IT, after he'd been professing for maybe 15 years. I guess no one got around to giving IT to me, and the only thing I've ever learned about me and IT was that Wally said that I either lost IT or never had IT. I don't even know what IT's called, other than "IT". If Nathan were here he could maybe call it Alien Information Technology, or something like that. You pretend ignorance but you just revealed you do know what IT is. If you've followed the convo thus far you would know what IT is, What is the usual convo that revolves around on TMB too? Gaslighting won't help you at all...
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Post by Dan on Jul 8, 2023 11:37:24 GMT -5
I think I was clear when I wrote that sex outside of marriage is sin. If you have sex outside of your marriage, its adultery, and with an unmarried person who engages in sex, its fornication, which is also sin. Very simple and biblical.
Jesus response to Deuteronomy 24 was, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, suffered you to put away your wives, but it was not this way from the beginning.” (Matthew 19:8). So Deuteronomy 24 was never a law or a command as some of the Jews understood it, but merely permission or toleration of that practice for the prevention of greater mischief, cruelty, or abuse of hard-hearted men towards their wives. This was only for a season, until the time of reformation (Hebrews 9:10) until the coming of the Messiah when things were to return to their first institution and purest condition.
The husband is not commanded to put her away, but if he did put her away, it says "Let him write and give her a bill of divorcement, before he send her out of his house."
Adultery is a word also used to express spiritual separation such as in "adulterous generation" (Matthew 16:4), but in the context of marriage, its being physically unfaithful.
Keep in mind that Jesus didn't need to interpret the Torah or debate & argue with Shammai & Hillel, he was the Word from the beginning (John 1).
We will disagree because I believe the bible clearly says that adultery is wrong, "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife.. the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10).
And Paul said, "But if you cannot control your body, then you should marry. It is better to marry than to burn with sexual desire" (1 Corinthians 7:9). Note that he didn't say; 'Its better to fornicate than to burn with passion'. You know why? Because fornicating is sin. "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals... will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9)
To make this statement I don't think you have read my posts very carefully. "We will disagree because I believe the bible clearly says that adultery is wrong" When did I say adultery was wrong or right?. What I said was adultery is the breaking of unity or more specifically echad. I doubt Jesus said anything much before he was 1yr old like most babies, unless you were there to confirm otherwise?. John 1 is commentary on the creation poem in Genesis. Sex outside of marriage encompasses a lot of people, this also includes both parties being unmarried, you may want to reword your post of this doesn't represent your position as I specifically asked you "And any sex outside of a man and women who are married to each other is adultery?" and you said correct. I managed to sum up your argument as you agreed with my summation, can you sum up mine? maybe this will help you understand what I actually said and what I didn't say regardless wether you agree or disagree with me. Paul lived in a different culture, why cherry pick a handful of things in his culture to apply to your life, Paul also told slaves to obey their masters, are you ok with that today?. Homosexuality is beginning to be accepted in this culture like slavery was accepted in Paul's culture.........learn to seperate culture from intent of scripture.......its the same as the adultery and fornication concepts, they are concepts of intent in a given culture that can be applied at any given time, cultures change but yet yourself amongst many others hand pick parts of a old culture that you don't even really understand and opress people with it today with the wrong intent. Its a recipe for disaster as it guilts and shames millions of people for no reason other than ignorance and selfishness and this religous furver has brought hell to many lives unnecessarily. Adultery could be mental abuse in marriage, you still don't understand the concept
I understand what your saying. What I meant by saying "Correct" was in response to the first sentence of your post below;
"To make sure I'm understanding you correctly. You think any sex is a sin except between a man and a women are married to each other?" My answer to that was "Correct". "And any sex outside of a man and women who are married to each other is adultery?" I misunderstood this portion, I thought you meant that any sex outside the confines of a married couple is adultery. But my answer to sex between unmarried single people is that its fornication, not adultery. Both are sins, adultery being the worse.
Slavery or indentured servitude was not a sin in the bible, the fact that it doesn't exist anymore is a moot point. Cultures change, God doesn't. Engaging in homosexuality was a sin back then and still is, no culture can change what God ordained, but they sure can ignore Him. The conviction of the Holy Spirit is what brings guilt and shame when the law is violated.
Adultery is not mental abuse, although the repercussions of an unfaithful mate can bring on mental anguish and regret.
Adultery can be spiritually applicable too, in the sense of separation from ones unity with God. Revelation mentions all those who will be deceived and fornicate with the Great VVhore of Babylon. The bible mentions all of Israel becoming an "Adulterous Nation", by breaking the law "Thou shalt have no other gods before me".
God himself charged Israel with adultery; "How can I pardon thee? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they committed adultery, and assembled themselves in troops at the harlots' houses" (Jeremiah 5:7).. God even divorced the Northern Tribes, "She saw that for all the adulteries of that faithless one, Israel, I had sent her away with a decree of divorce. Yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but she too went and played the lady vvhore" (Jeremiah 3:8 ESV).
**Just noticed that automatic spell check changed the VVhore of Babylon to "Lady"... She's No Lady!
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Post by margaret on Jul 8, 2023 12:22:06 GMT -5
But that doesn't say "married". There are also places where it is illegal to marry for a variety of reasons that have nothing whatever to do with the Western Christian understanding of marriage. Western Christianity is become the reigning style of Christendom in our age, but that doesn't mean that all Christians believe in monogamy. Christian groups (notably a branch in India) that emerged outside the influence of the Roman Empire and before the Catholic church adopted Paul's writings, still practice polygamy today. It was the Pagan Roman Empire that legislated that a man could only be married to one woman at a time, hence Paul's admonishment that they obey the law of the Empire.
The RCC aside, I believe the bible is clear, so I interpret monogamy as law, plus there's no way I could handle more than one wife, so I'm biased! In the above verse, how can 2 people be twain together as one flesh when you throw another person into the mix? In John 2, Jesus attended a wedding, there was one bride & one bridegroom. "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away" (Deuteronomy 17:17). "He must be the husband of one wife" (Titus 1:6). Seems pretty evident that God paired us in two's from the beginning. "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife (singular), and let every woman have her own husband" (1 Corinthians 7:2). Even the Catholics get some things right, I'm convinced that Jesus & Paul were on the same page.
Yet David, a man of God’s own heart had more than one wife and several concubines. God sees the heart and sees hearts that condemn the sinner of adultery or fornication yet don’t see how their own hearts are deceived. Been trying to tell you to examine your heart, Dan, because you and Wally have the same spirit as the “friends” that Jesus rebuked on numerous occasions even though they never seemed to accept it. And you think when Jesus returns you’re going to be with him!? You think that because you think you know about adultery (in particular regarding women) that you’re going to be met with open arms? You don’t see or acknowledge YOUR sins which makes you the very same as the people Jesus had the most contempt for.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 8, 2023 12:29:46 GMT -5
I don't really know. Apparently Wally has IT, but I never did, that I knew of. Whatever IT is has been around for quite some time, because even when I was a kid I heard people talking about people do never had IT, usually if they stopped going to meetings. One time my grandfather told someone that his distant relative finally had IT, after he'd been professing for maybe 15 years. I guess no one got around to giving IT to me, and the only thing I've ever learned about me and IT was that Wally said that I either lost IT or never had IT. I don't even know what IT's called, other than "IT". If Nathan were here he could maybe call it Alien Information Technology, or something like that. You pretend ignorance but you just revealed you do know what IT is. If you've followed the convo thus far you would know what IT is, What is the usual convo that revolves around on TMB too? Gaslighting won't help you at all... Why do you spend so much time trying to figure out how much I don't know?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 8, 2023 12:33:37 GMT -5
The RCC aside, I believe the bible is clear, so I interpret monogamy as law, plus there's no way I could handle more than one wife, so I'm biased! In the above verse, how can 2 people be twain together as one flesh when you throw another person into the mix? In John 2, Jesus attended a wedding, there was one bride & one bridegroom. "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away" (Deuteronomy 17:17). "He must be the husband of one wife" (Titus 1:6). Seems pretty evident that God paired us in two's from the beginning. "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife (singular), and let every woman have her own husband" (1 Corinthians 7:2). Even the Catholics get some things right, I'm convinced that Jesus & Paul were on the same page.
Yet David, a man of God’s own heart had more than one wife and several concubines. God sees the heart and sees hearts that condemn the sinner of adultery or fornication yet don’t see how their own hearts are deceived. Been trying to tell you to examine your heart, Dan, because you and Wally have the same spirit as the “friends” that Jesus rebuked on numerous occasions even though they never seemed to accept it. And you think when Jesus returns you’re going to be with him!? You think that because you think you know about adultery (in particular regarding women) that you’re going to be met with open arms? You don’t see or acknowledge YOUR sins which makes you the very same as the people Jesus had the most contempt for. And in his old age he suffered from erectile disfunction. He tried to cure it by having a couple of pretty young ones come to his bed, but alas, that didn't help either. Sucks to get old.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 12:47:40 GMT -5
You pretend ignorance but you just revealed you do know what IT is. If you've followed the convo thus far you would know what IT is, What is the usual convo that revolves around on TMB too? Gaslighting won't help you at all... Why do you spend so much time trying to figure out how much I don't know? You play the psychologist here yourself why are you surprised when it bites you in the tukas?
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Post by Dan on Jul 8, 2023 13:48:00 GMT -5
The RCC aside, I believe the bible is clear, so I interpret monogamy as law, plus there's no way I could handle more than one wife, so I'm biased! In the above verse, how can 2 people be twain together as one flesh when you throw another person into the mix? In John 2, Jesus attended a wedding, there was one bride & one bridegroom. "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away" (Deuteronomy 17:17). "He must be the husband of one wife" (Titus 1:6). Seems pretty evident that God paired us in two's from the beginning. "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife (singular), and let every woman have her own husband" (1 Corinthians 7:2). Even the Catholics get some things right, I'm convinced that Jesus & Paul were on the same page.
Yet David, a man of God’s own heart had more than one wife and several concubines. God sees the heart and sees hearts that condemn the sinner of adultery or fornication yet don’t see how their own hearts are deceived. Been trying to tell you to examine your heart, Dan, because you and Wally have the same spirit as the “friends” that Jesus rebuked on numerous occasions even though they never seemed to accept it. And you think when Jesus returns you’re going to be with him!? You think that because you think you know about adultery (in particular regarding women) that you’re going to be met with open arms? You don’t see or acknowledge YOUR sins which makes you the very same as the people Jesus had the most contempt for.
I'd strongly disagree with the comparison of the Friend's with the Pharisees, Jesus may rebuke some traditions or hypocritical behavior, but that could be said for any church. I have said nothing without listing biblical support, so its not what I think, but my interpretation of what is clearly written. I acknowledge my sins before God, not on a public message board. Self-examination is a full time job for me, I don't profess to be right all the time and have screwed-up as much as the next guy, but God knows I keep trying. I've condemned no one for adultery, I just acknowledged it as a sin. "Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.' (John 8:10-11).
In Matthew 19 Jesus reiterated monogamy from Genesis 2:24, one man one wife.. Yes, Abraham, Jacob, David and especially Solomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines, were all sinners and practiced polygamy. God permitted it, but never prescribed it, and it didn't work well for any of those men. They were all men of faith, not morality. Jesus didn't have contempt for sinners, but towards those who misconstrued the Truth, turning it into a lie for their own benefit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 17:08:54 GMT -5
The RCC aside, I believe the bible is clear, so I interpret monogamy as law, plus there's no way I could handle more than one wife, so I'm biased! In the above verse, how can 2 people be twain together as one flesh when you throw another person into the mix? In John 2, Jesus attended a wedding, there was one bride & one bridegroom. "Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away" (Deuteronomy 17:17). "He must be the husband of one wife" (Titus 1:6). Seems pretty evident that God paired us in two's from the beginning. "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife (singular), and let every woman have her own husband" (1 Corinthians 7:2). Even the Catholics get some things right, I'm convinced that Jesus & Paul were on the same page.
Yet David, a man of God’s own heart had more than one wife and several concubines. God sees the heart and sees hearts that condemn the sinner of adultery or fornication yet don’t see how their own hearts are deceived. Been trying to tell you to examine your heart, Dan, because you and Wally have the same spirit as the “friends” that Jesus rebuked on numerous occasions even though they never seemed to accept it. And you think when Jesus returns you’re going to be with him!? You think that because you think you know about adultery (in particular regarding women) that you’re going to be met with open arms? You don’t see or acknowledge YOUR sins which makes you the very same as the people Jesus had the most contempt for. If we are in trouble for following his word, just think about how much trouble you'll be in... If no one is able to discern what adultery or any sin is by now, they never will. I wonder why they would follow anything God has said either it would be impossible to serve and obey and follow him without knowing what he means...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 17:10:31 GMT -5
Yet David, a man of God’s own heart had more than one wife and several concubines. God sees the heart and sees hearts that condemn the sinner of adultery or fornication yet don’t see how their own hearts are deceived. Been trying to tell you to examine your heart, Dan, because you and Wally have the same spirit as the “friends” that Jesus rebuked on numerous occasions even though they never seemed to accept it. And you think when Jesus returns you’re going to be with him!? You think that because you think you know about adultery (in particular regarding women) that you’re going to be met with open arms? You don’t see or acknowledge YOUR sins which makes you the very same as the people Jesus had the most contempt for.
I'd strongly disagree with the comparison of the Friend's with the Pharisees, Jesus may rebuke some traditions or hypocritical behavior, but that could be said for any church. I have said nothing without listing biblical support, so its not what I think, but my interpretation of what is clearly written. I acknowledge my sins before God, not on a public message board. Self-examination is a full time job for me, I don't profess to be right all the time and have screwed-up as much as the next guy, but God knows I keep trying. I've condemned no one for adultery, I just acknowledged it as a sin. "Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.' (John 8:10-11).
In Matthew 19 Jesus reiterated monogamy from Genesis 2:24, one man one wife.. Yes, Abraham, Jacob, David and especially Solomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines, were all sinners and practiced polygamy. God permitted it, but never prescribed it, and it didn't work well for any of those men. They were all men of faith, not morality. Jesus didn't have contempt for sinners, but towards those who misconstrued the Truth, turning it into a lie for their own benefit.
Damn straight...
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Post by chuck on Jul 8, 2023 18:36:23 GMT -5
I don't really know. Apparently Wally has IT, but I never did, that I knew of. Whatever IT is has been around for quite some time, because even when I was a kid I heard people talking about people do never had IT, usually if they stopped going to meetings. One time my grandfather told someone that his distant relative finally had IT, after he'd been professing for maybe 15 years. I guess no one got around to giving IT to me, and the only thing I've ever learned about me and IT was that Wally said that I either lost IT or never had IT. I don't even know what IT's called, other than "IT". If Nathan were here he could maybe call it Alien Information Technology, or something like that. You pretend ignorance but you just revealed you do know what IT is. If you've followed the convo thus far you would know what IT is, What is the usual convo that revolves around on TMB too? Gaslighting won't help you at all... Explain what "IT" is?
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Post by chuck on Jul 8, 2023 18:40:38 GMT -5
I don't really know. Apparently Wally has IT, but I never did, that I knew of. Whatever IT is has been around for quite some time, because even when I was a kid I heard people talking about people do never had IT, usually if they stopped going to meetings. One time my grandfather told someone that his distant relative finally had IT, after he'd been professing for maybe 15 years. I guess no one got around to giving IT to me, and the only thing I've ever learned about me and IT was that Wally said that I either lost IT or never had IT. I don't even know what IT's called, other than "IT". If Nathan were here he could maybe call it Alien Information Technology, or something like that. Well I would say if Wally has IT you don't want it........think yourself lucky!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 18:54:43 GMT -5
You pretend ignorance but you just revealed you do know what IT is. If you've followed the convo thus far you would know what IT is, What is the usual convo that revolves around on TMB too? Gaslighting won't help you at all... Explain what "IT" is? You used to know have you forgotten so quickly Hebraic scholar?
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Post by guest8 on Jul 8, 2023 19:02:04 GMT -5
You pretend ignorance but you just revealed you do know what IT is. If you've followed the convo thus far you would know what IT is, What is the usual convo that revolves around on TMB too? Gaslighting won't help you at all... Explain what "IT" is? Used as subject or direct object or indirect object of a verb or object of a preposition usually in reference to 'a lifeless thing'.
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Post by margaret on Jul 8, 2023 19:04:08 GMT -5
Yet David, a man of God’s own heart had more than one wife and several concubines. God sees the heart and sees hearts that condemn the sinner of adultery or fornication yet don’t see how their own hearts are deceived. Been trying to tell you to examine your heart, Dan, because you and Wally have the same spirit as the “friends” that Jesus rebuked on numerous occasions even though they never seemed to accept it. And you think when Jesus returns you’re going to be with him!? You think that because you think you know about adultery (in particular regarding women) that you’re going to be met with open arms? You don’t see or acknowledge YOUR sins which makes you the very same as the people Jesus had the most contempt for.
I'd strongly disagree with the comparison of the Friend's with the Pharisees, Jesus may rebuke some traditions or hypocritical behavior, but that could be said for any church. I have said nothing without listing biblical support, so its not what I think, but my interpretation of what is clearly written. I acknowledge my sins before God, not on a public message board. Self-examination is a full time job for me, I don't profess to be right all the time and have screwed-up as much as the next guy, but God knows I keep trying. I've condemned no one for adultery, I just acknowledged it as a sin. "Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.' (John 8:10-11).
In Matthew 19 Jesus reiterated monogamy from Genesis 2:24, one man one wife.. Yes, Abraham, Jacob, David and especially Solomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines, were all sinners and practiced polygamy. God permitted it, but never prescribed it, and it didn't work well for any of those men. They were all men of faith, not morality. Jesus didn't have contempt for sinners, but towards those who misconstrued the Truth, turning it into a lie for their own benefit.
Your focus is on the sin of adultery. My focus is on “neither do I condemn thee”. Being a sinner yourself, as Jesus wasn’t, I find your focus reprehensible. Same with Wally and friends who won’t see beyond the written word to see Jesus.
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Post by Dan on Jul 8, 2023 19:05:24 GMT -5
You pretend ignorance but you just revealed you do know what IT is. If you've followed the convo thus far you would know what IT is, What is the usual convo that revolves around on TMB too? Gaslighting won't help you at all... Explain what "IT" is?
'It' is the Truth.. Some people knew and accepted Christ, but then left him. Others have never had 'it' because they haven't spiritual eyes to see or ears to hear 'it' .. " Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?" (John 18:38). 'It' (the Truth) was standing right in front of Pilate, but he was blind as a bat.
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Post by margaret on Jul 8, 2023 19:06:42 GMT -5
Yet David, a man of God’s own heart had more than one wife and several concubines. God sees the heart and sees hearts that condemn the sinner of adultery or fornication yet don’t see how their own hearts are deceived. Been trying to tell you to examine your heart, Dan, because you and Wally have the same spirit as the “friends” that Jesus rebuked on numerous occasions even though they never seemed to accept it. And you think when Jesus returns you’re going to be with him!? You think that because you think you know about adultery (in particular regarding women) that you’re going to be met with open arms? You don’t see or acknowledge YOUR sins which makes you the very same as the people Jesus had the most contempt for. And in his old age he suffered from erectile disfunction. He tried to cure it by having a couple of pretty young ones come to his bed, but alas, that didn't help either. Sucks to get old. Probably didn’t suck for the pretty young ones
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Post by Dan on Jul 8, 2023 19:25:52 GMT -5
Your focus is on the sin of adultery. My focus is on “neither do I condemn thee”. Being a sinner yourself, as Jesus wasn’t, I find your focus reprehensible. Same with Wally and friends who won’t see beyond the written word to see Jesus.
I don't focus on any sin, but I do acknowledge what it is and don't pretend it doesn't exist. I agree that the repentant sinner is not condemned, but Jesus also told her to go and sin no more.. Apparently it mattered to Jesus, so it matters to me. Consider that your reluctance to acknowledge sin might be what's reprehensible?
Where did you learn about Jesus? The gospels of course.. So how exactly do you see beyond the written word to see Jesus? "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1). His word is revealed through scripture, I wouldn't trust anything your seeing beyond his inspired Word.
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Post by margaret on Jul 8, 2023 20:01:54 GMT -5
Your focus is on the sin of adultery. My focus is on “neither do I condemn thee”. Being a sinner yourself, as Jesus wasn’t, I find your focus reprehensible. Same with Wally and friends who won’t see beyond the written word to see Jesus.
I don't focus on any sin, but I do acknowledge what it is and don't pretend it doesn't exist. I agree that the repentant sinner is not condemned, but Jesus also told her to go and sin no more.. Apparently it mattered to Jesus, so it matters to me. Consider that your reluctance to acknowledge sin might be what's reprehensible?
Where did you learn about Jesus? The gospels of course.. So how exactly do you see beyond the written word to see Jesus? "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1). His word is revealed through scripture, I wouldn't trust anything your seeing beyond his inspired Word.
You’re just repeating yourself, Dan. You have a condemning spirit if the sinner Dan can say ANYTHING about “go and sin no more”.
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Post by margaret on Jul 8, 2023 20:21:46 GMT -5
'It' is the Truth.. Some people knew and accepted Christ, but then left him. Others have never had 'it' because they haven't spiritual eyes to see or ears to hear 'it' .. " Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?" (John 18:38). 'It' (the Truth) was standing right in front of Pilate, but he was blind as a bat.
But are you able to see yourself as Pilate? Blind as a bat? Actually Pilate wasn’t blind as a bat. He knew what he was doing but he was persuaded by the majority of FRIENDS who wanted Jesus put to death. The Jesus that DIDN’T support their views. Not ALL the friends because a few “got it” and loved the unconventional and unconforming Jesus. You love conformity in the truth which becomes stale real fast. If you and Wally only see yourself as people who have the approval of Jesus because you staunchly support the way (as in the system) then you’re blind as a bat and you don’t have the IT that you think you do. What Jesus had to say about those that figured they had “it”, was this “search the scriptures for in it you THINK you have eternal life.” But I think you search the scriptures to find things to support your thinking. Oh well. Can’t make a blind man see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 20:30:42 GMT -5
I'd strongly disagree with the comparison of the Friend's with the Pharisees, Jesus may rebuke some traditions or hypocritical behavior, but that could be said for any church. I have said nothing without listing biblical support, so its not what I think, but my interpretation of what is clearly written. I acknowledge my sins before God, not on a public message board. Self-examination is a full time job for me, I don't profess to be right all the time and have screwed-up as much as the next guy, but God knows I keep trying. I've condemned no one for adultery, I just acknowledged it as a sin. "Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.' (John 8:10-11).
In Matthew 19 Jesus reiterated monogamy from Genesis 2:24, one man one wife.. Yes, Abraham, Jacob, David and especially Solomon who had 700 wives and 300 concubines, were all sinners and practiced polygamy. God permitted it, but never prescribed it, and it didn't work well for any of those men. They were all men of faith, not morality. Jesus didn't have contempt for sinners, but towards those who misconstrued the Truth, turning it into a lie for their own benefit.
Your focus is on the sin of adultery. My focus is on “neither do I condemn thee”. Being a sinner yourself, as Jesus wasn’t, I find your focus reprehensible. Same with Wally and friends who won’t see beyond the written word to see Jesus. Not all that concerned what you think Margaret, you are no more noble than anyone else here and you are more than hypocritical on the judgment thing...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 20:31:31 GMT -5
Used as subject or direct object or indirect object of a verb or object of a preposition usually in reference to 'a lifeless thing'. Merriam-webster won't help in this case...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 20:32:00 GMT -5
'It' is the Truth.. Some people knew and accepted Christ, but then left him. Others have never had 'it' because they haven't spiritual eyes to see or ears to hear 'it' .. " Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?" (John 18:38). 'It' (the Truth) was standing right in front of Pilate, but he was blind as a bat.
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