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Post by mrdobalina on May 19, 2023 1:36:46 GMT -5
You said your sister is a psychologist if i remember correctly. Does she agree that a victim survivor of sexual abuse is demon posessed? Secondly, does she believe mental health issues as a result of abuse is demon posession? It totally depends…. Demonic possession is not unheard of… depending on the circumstances and situation. Have you worked in the mental health field? You need to be open minded. Would people who believe they are doing the work of God be considered to be of demonic possesion?
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 1:43:13 GMT -5
It totally depends…. Demonic possession is not unheard of… depending on the circumstances and situation. Have you worked in the mental health field? You need to be open minded. Would people who believe they are doing the work of God be considered to be of demonic possesion? That’s possible.
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Post by getreal on May 19, 2023 1:47:35 GMT -5
This is off the rails.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 1:58:48 GMT -5
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Post by getreal on May 19, 2023 2:13:04 GMT -5
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Post by Dan on May 19, 2023 3:17:44 GMT -5
It totally depends…. Demonic possession is not unheard of… depending on the circumstances and situation. Have you worked in the mental health field? You need to be open minded. Would people who believe they are doing the work of God be considered to be of demonic possesion?
I reckon they could be diluted into believing they are doing the work of God, but are really being inspired by a familiar spirit. (Act 16: 16-18)
A true Christian cannot be possessed, "A house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand." (Mark 3:25). The Holy Spirit will not dwell with an unclean spirit, they are incompatible.
But of course, anyone can be corrupted and influenced by a negative spirit, what we embrace dictates our actions.
A morally upright person can turn into a train wreck if they decide to take a walk on the wild side like Bruer did, their actions can leave others psychologically and emotionally bruised for life.
"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6: 11-12).
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Post by mrdobalina on May 19, 2023 4:57:44 GMT -5
This is quite normal here, if not quite mild. Your profile says "new menber" so i guess your reaction is understandable.
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Post by Grant on May 19, 2023 5:55:07 GMT -5
Yes i have worked extensively in the MH field. Are you a psychologist/ neurologist whom does the testing . I will absolutely give Dr Green permission to speak on my behalf I'm guessing that your post is about Peggy's sister as she is a psychologist.
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 19, 2023 7:11:26 GMT -5
To all above comments: Thank you for respectfully sharing your experience, background, and perspective. I didn’t want to join in here on this forum, but some of the things I’ve read on this site from SOME (not all) representing our faith I strongly disagree with either what they say and/or the spirit of how they say it) and everyone that I know inside, would too. I’m not clumping anyone together on that, it just made me sad to read some of the arguments from those claiming to be inside our faith. I’m not here recruit anyone or cause trouble, but maybe just to help bridge the gap. I feel really bad for those that have experience terrible things in our faith and been treated so poorly, and I’m sorry. To Umfolozi: After this comment, I went and reread my first post and you’re right, the tone or the questions could have been articulated a lot better. so I apologize for that and thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt as that was not my intention to ruffle feathers, offend, or argue my point, but to learn and listen to the other side. I think you also had an issue with me lumping all of the exes together as “bitter exes”. I do not think that. One of the comments above pointed out that there’s a diverse group of exes on here (and everywhere), which is what I’ve always thought. We are all individual, anyways. I was more curious to hear from the more bitter exes, specifically, but very happy to hear everyone’s perspective. Sorry to offend you! "I feel really bad for those that have experience terrible things in our faith and been treated so poorly" You might want to think about that statement. How about investigating why "our faith" has the proclivity to hurt people so then you wont have to feel sorry for them in the first place........ I do not think the truth has a proclivity to hurt people. I believe that any organization with tens of thousands of humans involved are going to people act and speak wrongly, and have those offended. Humans of all organizations offend people. Your favorite organizations, business, and even those you love (mine too) have caused a lot of hurt and damage. Any company, politics, group, religion, school, business, etc has CSA and bad actors. Anywhere there are humans, there is human nature and there will be problems, worldwide. I don’t know how many friends are in the truth, but it’s tens and tens of thousands. So yes, I’m not surprised that there are some that are offended from those within the truth. That absolutely does not make it right, and I can be sorry for those hurt, while also believing there’s not a systemic problem that I have seen.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 19, 2023 8:11:40 GMT -5
Are you a psychologist/ neurologist whom does the testing . I will absolutely give Dr Green permission to speak on my behalf I'm guessing that your post is about Peggy's sister as she is a psychologist. didn’t know her sister is a psychologist . Thx
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 19, 2023 8:21:08 GMT -5
Should I give police your name Peggy ? Because it appears you know everything ! Is that some sort of threat? Nope no threat at all It was a off the cuff remark . Had too long of a session with police yesterday . Verna is a very very good person and respects others on here . Feel free to block me .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 19, 2023 9:50:04 GMT -5
What was done to Verna yesterday was not acceptable in any way . I know her face to face . You could not find a better soul . She has enough trauma right now . She is the sweetest lady . That was a very personal attack . I don’t care if you attack me please leave her alone please . You don’t know her journey or background . I don’t give a rats a$$ if you stomp on me . I will get back up after each attack . Leave her alone please 🙏
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Post by countryroads on May 19, 2023 10:13:25 GMT -5
"I feel really bad for those that have experience terrible things in our faith and been treated so poorly" You might want to think about that statement. How about investigating why "our faith" has the proclivity to hurt people so then you wont have to feel sorry for them in the first place........ I do not think the truth has a proclivity to hurt people. I believe that any organization with tens of thousands of humans involved are going to people act and speak wrongly, and have those offended. Humans of all organizations offend people. Your favorite organizations, business, and even those you love (mine too) have caused a lot of hurt and damage. Any company, politics, group, religion, school, business, etc has CSA and bad actors. Anywhere there are humans, there is human nature and there will be problems, worldwide. I don’t know how many friends are in the truth, but it’s tens and tens of thousands. So yes, I’m not surprised that there are some that are offended from those within the truth. That absolutely does not make it right, and I can be sorry for those hurt, while also believing there’s not a systemic problem that I have seen. This is a bit deeper of a question than you might think. Is there anything about the social isolation of meeting and workers that creates the circumstances that make this sort of thing more common? That can be debated, and I am not going to offer an answer other than to say it is something to ponder. What I will comment on is accountability. It is true that any large group of people and any organization has bad actors because humans are involved. However, meeting has extreme secrecy in its governance by workers and overseers. There is faith and trust in the workers, but ultimately no objective accountability for money or actions. If money is donated to workers, there is no publicly available balance sheet or budget. And of course no audit. In a formally organized church or even secular organization there are financial records and audits. These are safeguards that prevent a bad actor from using donated money to maintain an underage sex dungeon in a Best Western for God knows how many years, only discovered when he had the misfortune of dropping dead in the place. In organizations with financial accountability, misappropriating donations to evil ends is much more difficult to hide. Society has learned to build safeguards into organizations over that last 50+ years to prevent this sort of thing from going on undetected.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 10:26:06 GMT -5
What was done to Verna yesterday was not acceptable in any way . I know her face to face . You could not find a better soul . She has enough trauma right now . She is the sweetest lady . That was a very personal attack . I don’t care if you attack me please leave her alone please . You don’t know her journey or background . I don’t give a rats a$$ if you stomp on me . I will get back up after each attack . Leave her alone please 🙏 She has personally attacked me and made snide comments to me. Not once has she said anything kind. I am glad she is nice to you.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 11:26:58 GMT -5
I'm guessing that your post is about Peggy's sister as she is a psychologist. didn’t know her sister is a psychologist . Thx This has nothing to do with my sister. Right now I am being bullied by several people here who are jumping all over me because they feel the need to defend you. That’s fine. I have survived bullying before and it happens all too often on social media. That’s why as a rule I stay away from it.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 19, 2023 11:39:06 GMT -5
I know nothing about your sister . Don’t know her , don’t care what she does for a living . I did not even mention her
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 11:44:36 GMT -5
I know nothing about your sister . Don’t know her , don’t care what she does for a living . I did not even mention her Yes you did. You said, “I didn’t know her sister was a psychologist. thx.”
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 19, 2023 11:47:04 GMT -5
I know nothing about your sister . Don’t know her , don’t care what she does for a living . I did not even mention her Yes you did. You said, “I didn’t know her sister was a psychologist. thx.” I was responding to another person on here . Who informed me you had a sister who was a psychologist .
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 11:50:14 GMT -5
Yes you did. You said, “I didn’t know her sister was a psychologist. thx.” I was responding to another person on here . Who informed me you had a sister who was a psychologist . Yeah, well I was being bullied by the people who felt the need to defend you. So you see others chiming in to the thread about something that doesn’t even apply like what my sister does for a living. It’s okay. My feelings are not hurt. I am seeing the reality of this board. The intolerance for a variant viewpoint.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 19, 2023 11:54:10 GMT -5
Again I didn’t say that . I know nothing about your family . If you feel people are bullying you go to admin and suggest they get a time out . That is an option available .
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 11:57:02 GMT -5
Again I didn’t say that . I know nothing about your family . If you feel people are bullying you go to admin and suggest they get a time out . That is an option available . Time out like little kids? Puleeze. Shouldn’t have to do that.
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 19, 2023 11:57:43 GMT -5
I do not think the truth has a proclivity to hurt people. I believe that any organization with tens of thousands of humans involved are going to people act and speak wrongly, and have those offended. Humans of all organizations offend people. Your favorite organizations, business, and even those you love (mine too) have caused a lot of hurt and damage. Any company, politics, group, religion, school, business, etc has CSA and bad actors. Anywhere there are humans, there is human nature and there will be problems, worldwide. I don’t know how many friends are in the truth, but it’s tens and tens of thousands. So yes, I’m not surprised that there are some that are offended from those within the truth. That absolutely does not make it right, and I can be sorry for those hurt, while also believing there’s not a systemic problem that I have seen. This is a bit deeper of a question than you might think. Is there anything about the social isolation of meeting and workers that creates the circumstances that make this sort of thing more common? That can be debated, and I am not going to offer an answer other than to say it is something to ponder. What I will comment on is accountability. It is true that any large group of people and any organization has bad actors because humans are involved. However, meeting has extreme secrecy in its governance by workers and overseers. There is faith and trust in the workers, but ultimately no objective accountability for money or actions. If money is donated to workers, there is no publicly available balance sheet or budget. And of course no audit. In a formally organized church or even secular organization there are financial records and audits. These are safeguards that prevent a bad actor from using donated money to maintain an underage sex dungeon in a Best Western for God knows how many years, only discovered when he had the misfortune of dropping dead in the place. In organizations with financial accountability, misappropriating donations to evil ends is much more difficult to hide. Society has learned to build safeguards into organizations over that last 50+ years to prevent this sort of thing from going on undetected. Great thought provoking questions. I'll have to ponder more on it, but ill put in my two cents. In regards to social isolation: I think of how, typically, CSA happens. There's usually a grooming period first. Then an opportunity alone, and then that opportunity is acted upon. I believe thats the process, from my research. (i'm happy to be corrected and informed otherwise) This makes sense why about 40% of CSA victims are by family members (alone and opportunity) and 96% are trusted by victim and/family. More specifically to workers, they are in our homes and trusted. I believe one fixable problem is education, which we are all learning it the hard way. I believe another problem is that you don't think it CAN happen to your children or from a certain group (uncles, grandparents, friends, workers, neighbors, etc.) Practically speaking, in regards to meetings, I don't even see how thats physically possible…no opportunity. (you show up, sit down, have meeting, leave) conventions? Low but still scenario for opportunity, less supervision to run free/sleep, etc. special meetings? no. another good thing thats happening in the truth, is conversations parents are having with their children about being ok to speak up and when to and whats appropriate/not appropriate. My practical takeaway to fight against CSA is…parents educate themselves and their children. make it clear they are not in trouble or the problem if it does have and come to parents with anything. report anything to police if there is. This is even help make it less appealing for perps if they KNOW they will get caught and prosecuted. The truth and society, in general, are FINALLY getting around to not sweeping this under the rug. One good thing about this current generation. Lets keep in mind this is in no way specific to the truth, but still prevalent. 1 in 4 girls are molested (according to CDC) and 1 in 6 boys. this means theres almost a guaranteed predator in in our extended family. we can't paint all workers any certain way. I have had countless alone encounters with workers alone as a kid, and loved our time with them. us kids had zero instances. i know this isnt everyones story, but it's good to hear that side too. (wow that got long, sorry) The money thing will take a lot more pondering. What are your thoughts and solutions? i never like to turn anything good upside down because of one totally rare and bizzare incident (DB at BW). I'd be open to the possibility of better tweaks, though. you disagree, but I personally don't think the money issue is being abused or that big of an issue. What ways is it being abused other than the best western incident?
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 19, 2023 12:00:24 GMT -5
Again I didn’t say that . I know nothing about your family . If you feel people are bullying you go to admin and suggest they get a time out . That is an option available . Time out like little kids? Puleeze. Shouldn’t have to do that. Maybe you both can let it go or move this to messages?
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 12:04:58 GMT -5
Time out like little kids? Puleeze. Shouldn’t have to do that. Maybe you both can let it go or move this to messages? Good suggestion. Thanks!
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 19, 2023 12:14:45 GMT -5
Already done Thx
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Post by fixit on May 19, 2023 16:24:48 GMT -5
"I feel really bad for those that have experience terrible things in our faith and been treated so poorly" You might want to think about that statement. How about investigating why "our faith" has the proclivity to hurt people so then you wont have to feel sorry for them in the first place........ I do not think the truth has a proclivity to hurt people. I believe that any organization with tens of thousands of humans involved are going to people act and speak wrongly, and have those offended. Humans of all organizations offend people. Your favorite organizations, business, and even those you love (mine too) have caused a lot of hurt and damage. Any company, politics, group, religion, school, business, etc has CSA and bad actors. Anywhere there are humans, there is human nature and there will be problems, worldwide. I don’t know how many friends are in the truth, but it’s tens and tens of thousands. So yes, I’m not surprised that there are some that are offended from those within the truth. That absolutely does not make it right, and I can be sorry for those hurt, while also believing there’s not a systemic problem that I have seen. Dale Shultz articulated a systemic problem well in his letter to "the concerned ones". From: www.tellingthetruth.info/workers_later/shultz-AB.phpWe also know that a point could be reached in these different relationships in which submission is generally expected where, because of some deep conviction before God, we would feel that we could not submit to something that is being asked of us.When obedience to a hierarchy is more important than "some deep conviction before God" then it's a systemic problem.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 19, 2023 23:05:01 GMT -5
What was done to Verna yesterday was not acceptable in any way . I know her face to face . You could not find a better soul . She has enough trauma right now . She is the sweetest lady . That was a very personal attack . I don’t care if you attack me please leave her alone please . You don’t know her journey or background . I don’t give a rats a$$ if you stomp on me . I will get back up after each attack . Leave her alone please 🙏 She has personally attacked me and made snide comments to me. Not once has she said anything kind. I am glad she is nice to you. You'll get used to it.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 19, 2023 23:07:00 GMT -5
I was responding to another person on here . Who informed me you had a sister who was a psychologist . Yeah, well I was being bullied by the people who felt the need to defend you. So you see others chiming in to the thread about something that doesn’t even apply like what my sister does for a living. It’s okay. My feelings are not hurt. I am seeing the reality of this board. The intolerance for a variant viewpoint. Which variant opinion. They've all circulated on here for a long time. I don't think they'll go away.
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