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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 18, 2023 16:02:08 GMT -5
I suspect there would be no chnage at all in the church if it were not people on the outside putting pressure on the workers. The threat of prosecution hangs heavy over them. I took on an overseer during covid and won and danced a jig. I got wind of some worker activity early on and I got concerned it might cause an outbreak and it might harm my family. So I got word to the overseer to call me and he did. I stated my concerns, and he tried to blow it off with the old trope, “well, we’re all going to die.” Like it was news. So tiresome. I said, “well, you don’t get to decide when.”” At that time another insular church culture was having an outbreak and in the news. I said, “do you want to get in the news.” He chuckled and said no. Long story short he called the health dept to find out as a business what measures they needed to take because I said I would report them if he didn’t. He learned a few things and I thanked him. He didn’t thank me. Later they were reported by outsiders because of things they saw. I wonder if he was grateful for my help then. Anyway, I felt so empowered. These men who had all power over me, making decisions and deciding whether I was good or bad, not even knowing me, having little to no regard for my input, treating me as expendable, had to listen and do something they didn’t want to. I tell you it quickly got cold. All the pretense of love and care quickly fell away. Cards were on the table. You have go head to head with these guys. They are so comfortable with their position on high. They will not change unless forced. Thank you. I believe the only changes they are making at the moment are to preserve their position, particularly their financial position. News media would be very ineterested in a church with so many pedo's and cases of SA.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 18, 2023 16:05:21 GMT -5
ABSTINENCE MAKES THE CHURCH GROW FONDLERS
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Post by getreal on May 18, 2023 16:38:02 GMT -5
ABSTINENCE MAKES THE CHURCH GROW FONDLERS They fear exposure more than God. Let’s just be honest. I think about folks inside and following these guys who aren’t apparently being taught by prayer to do the right thing and you follow them still? You follow those who are following them? I got worried during covid because I know their mindset which is self evident in csa and sa, if you believe you are the only right way to heaven then you are kind of in your thinking above the law. You answer only to god (I wish). So I wondered, will they think they can carry on living ignoring covid precaustuons because they are doing god’s work as the only right way. Its a heady, haughty place to be. And sure enough he moaned to me how they were losing way of life. Now I see how self centered that is and wrong. And I also think of those even in my day, in the work, acknowledging it’s not the only way, it’s the best way. They are trying finding cover in that to this day of course, even though they continue to reinforce the notion that to leave is to be lost, to lose your soul. Cowardly.
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 18, 2023 17:24:52 GMT -5
Hi, I’m new here and have been meandering around the site. My short time on here has me scratching my head. I have a genuine curiosity: Why are bitter exes on here and so active? It seems that the majority of them run this site. Not all of course, but definitely majority of those that post. (I have no problem with any of that. If I don’t like what I see, I can leave.) It seems obvious that a lot of you haven’t been apart of the truth in many decades. As one still very happy in the truth (I know, a lot of you hate me now) I just wonder what keeps you coming back on here? It takes a lot of time and mental/emotional bandwidth to be active on here, and it only seems to be a lot of negativity, and no really problem solving or encouraging talks. I guess if I left an organization upset or just in general, I’d fill my time and thoughts toward family or wood working or golf or volunteering or relaxing, etc. Life’s so short. Seems a little bit like almost like a dog returning to its vomit? Wouldn’t you want a clean break? The following are not accusations just my thoughts while reading a lot of your comments. This is why I’m asking you to explain… “Why do they come back on here to feed on the negativity? Why are they so angry towards the truth, did they ever get what it’s truly about? Why are they so eager for the truth/ministry/meetings to shut down? Is it because deep down God has put something in their hearts a long time ago that they cannot run from and when they slow down and are honest with themselves, they know what’s right? and that shutting the truth down and tryin to show they are a “fraud” would help justify not listening to that voice anymore?” I’m not criticizing, I’m just curious as to why. I have a soft spot for those that arnt in our fellowship anymore, and I have good friends and family that have left. It’s just Kinda fascinating to me, from a psychology standpoint. I’m happy to discuss anything with those that arnt mean spirited. Happy to hear your thoughts. You make some wild accusations. Bitter. Nope. My attitude to the friends is one of amusement and sorrow. Negativity. Nope. Not from this chap. I have a very postive life once I left the cult. I do find that people sweeping sexual abuse of of children and adults to be negative. Maybe you would like to spend some time sorting that out. Hate. Well kiddy fkers definetly need a bit of hate. As do people who use their position to have unwanted sex with an adult. Perhaps you could ask some questions of your cult as to why so many of them get their jollies this way. I don't know of any ex eager to shut the meetings down. Looks like it's self destructing all by itself. Matters such as sexual abuse, tax fraud and entering a foreign country claiming to be an English teacher will take care of a few of your faithful. As for a god putting something in my heart, I no longer believe in your mythological gods and devils so they have no effect on me. So Why do you get on here? Why do you come on every day and post multiple times throughout the day and spend so much time on here? You don’t believe in God, you just said. I’m just wondering why you do it? It seems like almost every thread you’re on you have negative and bottom of the barrel comments (just my observation). Why are you on here so much, this is the point of my thread. It doesn’t seem (correct me if I’m wrong) that you are here for support or healing. Is it just to go sling poo around on the truth? If so, that’s fine- you do you, I’m just curious.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 18, 2023 17:30:47 GMT -5
You make some wild accusations. Bitter. Nope. My attitude to the friends is one of amusement and sorrow. Negativity. Nope. Not from this chap. I have a very postive life once I left the cult. I do find that people sweeping sexual abuse of of children and adults to be negative. Maybe you would like to spend some time sorting that out. Hate. Well kiddy fkers definetly need a bit of hate. As do people who use their position to have unwanted sex with an adult. Perhaps you could ask some questions of your cult as to why so many of them get their jollies this way. I don't know of any ex eager to shut the meetings down. Looks like it's self destructing all by itself. Matters such as sexual abuse, tax fraud and entering a foreign country claiming to be an English teacher will take care of a few of your faithful. As for a god putting something in my heart, I no longer believe in your mythological gods and devils so they have no effect on me. So Why do you get on here? Why do you come on every day and post multiple times throughout the day and spend so much time on here? You don’t believe in God, you just said. I’m just wondering why you do it? It seems like almost every thread you’re on you have negative and bottom of the barrel comments (just my observation). Why are you on here so much, this is the point of my thread. It doesn’t seem (correct me if I’m wrong) that you are here for support or healing. Is it just to go sling poo around on the truth? If so, that’s fine- you do you, I’m just curious. The police do not belong to your cult either. When they prosecute the kiddy fkers in your cult will you tell them too that they are being negative?
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 18, 2023 17:34:34 GMT -5
So Why do you get on here? Why do you come on every day and post multiple times throughout the day and spend so much time on here? You don’t believe in God, you just said. I’m just wondering why you do it? It seems like almost every thread you’re on you have negative and bottom of the barrel comments (just my observation). Why are you on here so much, this is the point of my thread. It doesn’t seem (correct me if I’m wrong) that you are here for support or healing. Is it just to go sling poo around on the truth? If so, that’s fine- you do you, I’m just curious. The police do not belong to your cult either. When they prosecute the kiddy fkers in your cult will you tell them too that they are being negative? Never mind, you’re obviously not mature enough to have an adult discussion.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on May 18, 2023 17:35:54 GMT -5
I signed up here shortly after hearing about Dean Bruer. I felt the need to write/share some of my own thoughts and feelings related to sexual abuse, immorality and hypocrisy. I really do feel requiring the workers to be sex and intimate relationship free is a set up for the cover ups and also a whole lot of shame…. Not to mention deviant behavior. To feel shame over something that is normal and natural, such as consensual relationships is twisted. A person is not meant to carry around undo guilt when they are redeemed and free in Christ! The issue of CSA/SA, falls within the boundaries of what is considered criminal and should be handled by the authorities. So, in the name of the “truth” and upholding tradition they have made things more complicated and worse. Now one case after another are coming to light and so I wonder if this abuse is pervasive? If it’s pervasive in the truth, why? Is it because of how sex is viewed by workers and some friends? It’s taboo, shameful? Or, are those who already have a sexual perversion drawn to the work as a means to somehow manage it? I call it "the system". The system that the workers have evolved over time has become a perfect vehicle for abuse because of its secrecy, arising from its core principles: - The Way is Perfect. Therefore any imperfect behaviours need to be pushed down and silenced to keep up appearances. If you question the Way, YOU'RE obviously the problem, because there can't be a problem with the Way. "The Way is Perfect but the people aren't". Remember that? A thought-stopping phrase we've all been conditioned to. Sexual relationships have been occuring between many workers, both heterosexual and homosexual relationships, and sisters workers have even been having abortions to cover up relationships (and in other instances rape), but let's keep the tombstone whitewashed and upright. Many workers have been suffering emotional and sexual abuse at the hands of their older companions, but just keep silent and let's keep the peace. Otherwise YOU'RE the problem for bringing the perfect way into disrepute. He who speaks the problem IS the problem. - The Workers are God's only true agents. Therefore cannot be questioned, and questioning will lead to punishment. Many thought-stopping phrases have been drummed into members to reinforce this, including "Don't give the devil a foothold", "Don't raise your hand against the Lord's anointed", "Exes are just bitter and unwilling", etc. etc. If you question a worker's response to CSA, YOU"RE the problem. Besides, you shouldn't have "questioning spirit" or "doubting spirit". - "Not an Organisation"There is no accountability for ANYTHING. No financial transparency, no fidelity transparency, no CSA/SA accountability, no minutes of workers meetings, no list of the actual rules, just a hazy mist that keeps changing. No official process for being able to lodge a complaint or get assistance. Some workers will seek to help you, others will shut you down and threaten you. Because "we are not an organisation", they can deny, deny, deny when problems occur. They spread their hands and say "we're just likeminded christians who gather in homes across the world." - The Way is the only path to salvation. Members are terrified of being ousted because there is no hope anywhere else. Many will conform to almost anything to stay in. They cannot go to another church because this group actively conditions its members against other churches. All of the above makes this the perfect way for predators. Especially if they're a worker. Who's allowed to question them or demand accountability? The organisation who hired them? What organisation? This is a cult they control absolutely, so they get to make the rules. People are not supposed to question, and there is no accountability, so it all works just fine and dandy. If people get too difficult, they can just be ousted. I'd also like to reiterate what you said about adult consensual sexual relationships, Peggy. It's called marriage. Instituted by God. Never discouraged by Jesus in any way, shape or form, including for his disciples. Where did this marriage ban come from? The minds of earlier cult leaders. Scripture calls it evil, but they still won't recognise that. 1 Timothy 4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron,
forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
Yes, they teach doctrines of devils, and we are now watching the harvest be reaped after decades of the "the system" in action. Dean Bruer's conscience had certainly been seared with a hot iron long ago, and more are being exposed daily. This is not about a few bad apples, but a whole rotten system.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 18, 2023 17:53:29 GMT -5
The police do not belong to your cult either. When they prosecute the kiddy fkers in your cult will you tell them too that they are being negative? Never mind, you’re obviously not mature enough to have an adult discussion. I suspect your goal is to deflect from the serious criminal activity that is in your cult.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 18, 2023 18:09:14 GMT -5
I signed up here shortly after hearing about Dean Bruer. I felt the need to write/share some of my own thoughts and feelings related to sexual abuse, immorality and hypocrisy. I really do feel requiring the workers to be sex and intimate relationship free is a set up for the cover ups and also a whole lot of shame…. Not to mention deviant behavior. To feel shame over something that is normal and natural, such as consensual relationships is twisted. A person is not meant to carry around undo guilt when they are redeemed and free in Christ! The issue of CSA/SA, falls within the boundaries of what is considered criminal and should be handled by the authorities. So, in the name of the “truth” and upholding tradition they have made things more complicated and worse. Now one case after another are coming to light and so I wonder if this abuse is pervasive? If it’s pervasive in the truth, why? Is it because of how sex is viewed by workers and some friends? It’s taboo, shameful? Or, are those who already have a sexual perversion drawn to the work as a means to somehow manage it? I call it "the system". The system that the workers have evolved over time has become a perfect vehicle for abuse because of its secrecy, arising from its core principles: - The Way is Perfect. Therefore any imperfect behaviours need to be pushed down and silenced to keep up appearances. If you question the Way, YOU'RE obviously the problem, because there can't be a problem with the Way. "The Way is Perfect but the people aren't". Remember that? A thought-stopping phrase we've all been conditioned to. Sexual relationships have been occuring between many workers, both heterosexual and homosexual relationships, and sisters workers have even been having abortions to cover up relationships (and in other instances rape), but let's keep the tombstone whitewashed and upright. Many workers have been suffering emotional and sexual abuse at the hands of their older companions, but just keep silent and let's keep the peace. Otherwise YOU'RE the problem for bringing the perfect way into disrepute. He who speaks the problem IS the problem. - The Workers are God's only true agents. Therefore cannot be questioned, and questioning will lead to punishment. Many thought-stopping phrases have been drummed into members to reinforce this, including "Don't give the devil a foothold", "Don't raise your hand against the Lord's anointed", "Exes are just bitter and unwilling", etc. etc. If you question a worker's response to CSA, YOU"RE the problem. Besides, you shouldn't have "questioning spirit" or "doubting spirit". - "Not an Organisation"There is no accountability for ANYTHING. No financial transparency, no fidelity transparency, no CSA/SA accountability, no minutes of workers meetings, no list of the actual rules, just a hazy mist that keeps changing. No official process for being able to lodge a complaint or get assistance. Some workers will seek to help you, others will shut you down and threaten you. Because "we are not an organisation", they can deny, deny, deny when problems occur. They spread their hands and say "we're just likeminded christians who gather in homes across the world." - The Way is the only path to salvation. Members are terrified of being ousted because there is no hope anywhere else. Many will conform to almost anything to stay in. They cannot go to another church because this group actively conditions its members against other churches. All of the above makes this the perfect way for predators. Especially if they're a worker. Who's allowed to question them or demand accountability? The organisation who hired them? What organisation? This is a cult they control absolutely, so they get to make the rules. People are not supposed to question, and there is no accountability, so it all works just fine and dandy. If people get too difficult, they can just be ousted. I'd also like to reiterate what you said about adult consensual sexual relationships, Peggy. It's called marriage. Instituted by God. Never discouraged by Jesus in any way, shape or form, including for his disciples. Where did this marriage ban come from? The minds of earlier cult leaders. Scripture calls it evil, but they still won't recognise that. 1 Timothy 4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron,
forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
Yes, they teach doctrines of devils, and we are now watching the harvest be reaped after decades of the "the system" in action. Dean Bruer's conscience had certainly been seared with a hot iron long ago, and more are being exposed daily. This is not about a few bad apples, but a whole rotten system. Thank you elizabeth. I appreciate you!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 18, 2023 18:15:18 GMT -5
You clearly haven’t read all my posts. If you feel able to pass judgment on me please first read all my posts, yes too many. I have been quiet for many years. I have never said I don’t believe in god. I have expressed many times my hopes that things improve so the suffering you hear of here and all over doesn’t happen again. I have a sibling in the work. I wonder about you. What is your story? How are you doing? It seems like everyone who comes here has a need of some sort driving them. Maybe you could share more of yours? I have shared mine. It is not easy but it is helpful. People seem very caring here. Hello alwaysbekind. Do you have two or more accounts on TMB. If so what do you hope to achieve with two accounts that you could not achieve with one account?
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 18, 2023 18:20:11 GMT -5
You clearly haven’t read all my posts. If you feel able to pass judgment on me please first read all my posts, yes too many. I have been quiet for many years. I have never said I don’t believe in god. I have expressed many times my hopes that things improve so the suffering you hear of here and all over doesn’t happen again. I have a sibling in the work. I wonder about you. What is your story? How are you doing? It seems like everyone who comes here has a need of some sort driving them. Maybe you could share more of yours? I have shared mine. It is not easy but it is helpful. People seem very caring here. Hello alwaysbekind. Do you have two or more accounts on TMB. If so what do you hope to achieve with two accounts that you could not achieve with one account? This is my only account. I believe “getreal” may have seen my response to you and thought it was to her. I’m not sure “getreal” realized that, which is my only explanation for her response?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 18, 2023 18:22:00 GMT -5
Hello alwaysbekind. Do you have two or more accounts on TMB. If so what do you hope to achieve with two accounts that you could not achieve with one account? This is my only account. I believe “getreal” may have seen my response to you and thought it was to her. I’m not sure “getreal” realized that, which is my only explanation for her response? I see.
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Post by getreal on May 18, 2023 18:24:19 GMT -5
I goofed somehow. The above post from me I thought I was writing to just be kind person not curlywurly. Excuse all my spelling mistakes. I thought he wrote that angry post to me. I am embarrassed. 🤪
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Post by getreal on May 18, 2023 18:25:11 GMT -5
Apologies to all.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 18:48:07 GMT -5
Hi, I’m new here and have been meandering around the site. My short time on here has me scratching my head. I have a genuine curiosity: Why are bitter exes on here and so active? It seems that the majority of them run this site. Not all of course, but definitely majority of those that post. (I have no problem with any of that. If I don’t like what I see, I can leave.) It seems obvious that a lot of you haven’t been apart of the truth in many decades. As one still very happy in the truth (I know, a lot of you hate me now) I just wonder what keeps you coming back on here? It takes a lot of time and mental/emotional bandwidth to be active on here, and it only seems to be a lot of negativity, and no really problem solving or encouraging talks. I guess if I left an organization upset or just in general, I’d fill my time and thoughts toward family or wood working or golf or volunteering or relaxing, etc. Life’s so short. Seems a little bit like almost like a dog returning to its vomit? Wouldn’t you want a clean break? The following are not accusations just my thoughts while reading a lot of your comments. This is why I’m asking you to explain… “Why do they come back on here to feed on the negativity? Why are they so angry towards the truth, did they ever get what it’s truly about? Why are they so eager for the truth/ministry/meetings to shut down? Is it because deep down God has put something in their hearts a long time ago that they cannot run from and when they slow down and are honest with themselves, they know what’s right? and that shutting the truth down and tryin to show they are a “fraud” would help justify not listening to that voice anymore?” I’m not criticizing, I’m just curious as to why. I have a soft spot for those that arnt in our fellowship anymore, and I have good friends and family that have left. It’s just Kinda fascinating to me, from a psychology standpoint. I’m happy to discuss anything with those that arnt mean spirited. Happy to hear your thoughts. My first post here. I professed from ages 12 to sometime in my 20s (when I left was a moving target). I have a much richer faith now than ever. I first came here researching for a book, but check back now and again. The wording of your questions hit me. For decades none of the current or former friends had any access to information such as what most organizations would call a membership roster. Making literal friendships with "the friends" depended on who you interacted with in meetings and conventions. Former members were completely on their own depending on the extent to which they were shunned by their family. I think places like this message board represent a massive cathartic exercise to many who have suffered emotional trauma and isolation. Particularly if a person spent decades of their life in the meeting, the idea of a "clean break" is a fantasy. There are family members still in the meeting. There is significant mental and emotional recovery to be done. Depending on the personal experience of the person it can be a bit like waking from a coma in a socialization sense. This board has people who understand. The idea that former members who are processing mental and emotional trauma that manifests itself in a wide range of emotions - sorrow, fear, excitement, anxiety, and even anger - are actually experiencing the "knowledge of truth" pricking their conscience is the most effective, crippling, manipulative myths that prey on the minds of former members. I am not even saying it is intentional on the part of those in the meeting or the workers. It is like if I were raised from a baby being told that if I ever wore a green shirt I would die in a car accident. Maybe not immediately, but early and eventually. That thought was drilled into me from the time of infancy. Over and over and over. If I made the decision to no longer let this thing control my actions, and made a break in my adulthood, you can bet I am going to have to process some pretty heavy anxiety and emotional trauma every time I put on a green shirt. My adult brain may recognize it is not true. I may know with every fiber in my being it is not true. But those grooves in the record are too deep. That takes time. And wouldn't it be awfully convenient for those who drilled this concept into me to say that my anxiety every time I put on a green shirt was actually my "conscience struggling with what I know to be true." It is a devastatingly effective deception, even if the deceiver believes it - perhaps especially since the deceiver believes it. So from that sense, perhaps you have stumbled on something approximating the truth with your final question. Maybe it does help to quell that anxiety to come to a place like this and reinforce the reasons for leaving the meeting in the first place. To come somewhere where like minded people can get together to communally repair the synapses in their mind, heart, and soul. Not for justification for leaving "truth" but for support in rebuilding patterns of thought and emotion which have been stunted and damaged. There is a specific forum run by Iylo I believe that's just for EX's to rant about the 2x2's. Don't remember its name though but it should not be hard to find...It would be a better fit for most of the people here...
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 18:51:38 GMT -5
You make some wild accusations. Bitter. Nope. My attitude to the friends is one of amusement and sorrow. Negativity. Nope. Not from this chap. I have a very postive life once I left the cult. I do find that people sweeping sexual abuse of of children and adults to be negative. Maybe you would like to spend some time sorting that out. Hate. Well kiddy fkers definetly need a bit of hate. As do people who use their position to have unwanted sex with an adult. Perhaps you could ask some questions of your cult as to why so many of them get their jollies this way. I don't know of any ex eager to shut the meetings down. Looks like it's self destructing all by itself. Matters such as sexual abuse, tax fraud and entering a foreign country claiming to be an English teacher will take care of a few of your faithful. As for a god putting something in my heart, I no longer believe in your mythological gods and devils so they have no effect on me. So Why do you get on here? Why do you come on every day and post multiple times throughout the day and spend so much time on here? You don’t believe in God, you just said. I’m just wondering why you do it? It seems like almost every thread you’re on you have negative and bottom of the barrel comments (just my observation). Why are you on here so much, this is the point of my thread. It doesn’t seem (correct me if I’m wrong) that you are here for support or healing. Is it just to go sling poo around on the truth? If so, that’s fine- you do you, I’m just curious. It may have been from a situation he had with the workers....went bonkers over it...
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Post by fixit on May 18, 2023 19:09:00 GMT -5
I also think of those even in my day, in the work, acknowledging it’s not the only way, it’s the best way. Why does man focus so much on a religious system as the way? Vain creeds of men are sure to fail.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 18, 2023 19:21:24 GMT -5
So Why do you get on here? Why do you come on every day and post multiple times throughout the day and spend so much time on here? You don’t believe in God, you just said. I’m just wondering why you do it? It seems like almost every thread you’re on you have negative and bottom of the barrel comments (just my observation). Why are you on here so much, this is the point of my thread. It doesn’t seem (correct me if I’m wrong) that you are here for support or healing. Is it just to go sling poo around on the truth? If so, that’s fine- you do you, I’m just curious. It may have been from a situation he had with the workers....went bonkers over it... Why are you on here ? Would you like to speak to my police officers ? I can hook ya up . You seem bitter that we come here to discuss issues . Not literally , but I am here because I get support from excellent professing people . I still break bread with many professing people . What is your mission ? You really don’t get it . Regardless of not being professing I took my parents to all meetings and special meetings and conventions . I served my parents even though not professing ! Were you raped at 13 years old and still trying to bury -hit about the Way ? Like really walk my path and then you might know what CSA/SA DOES !!!!! I have had a really busy day .
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Post by peggysullivan on May 18, 2023 19:43:19 GMT -5
It may have been from a situation he had with the workers....went bonkers over it... Why are you on here ? Would you like to speak to my police officers ? I can hook ya up . You seem bitter that we come here to discuss issues . Not literally , but I am here because I get support from excellent professing people . I still break bread with many professing people . What is your mission ? You really don’t get it . Regardless of not being professing I took my parents to all meetings and special meetings and conventions . I served my parents even though not professing ! Were you raped at 13 years old and still trying to bury -hit about the Way ? What is YOUR mission Chinese? You come across as confused and in need of being cleared. Have you gotten the help that you really need? Or are you just going from person to person to carry you along? Chinese: you need professional help. Are you truly getting that? Or are you just getting validation from people that make you feel okay in the moment? I know who you are, Chinese. And you are running, literally RUNNING from your problems. If you were raped, Ok. Fine. But you need professional help. Not just a forum. You need someone who will help you face your demons head on. Head on. The demons of Jesus' day are still around. And, I suspect they are wrecking havoc on your life. Time to cast the demons OUT. OUT. Good - bye demons. In the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to leave ! Can you say that with complete conviction? Because that is what it takes. YOU have the power to cast out the demons if you really want to.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 19:50:02 GMT -5
I goofed somehow. The above post from me I thought I was writing to just be kind person not curlywurly. Excuse all my spelling mistakes. I thought he wrote that angry post to me. I am embarrassed. 🤪 Proboards can be weird sometimes too...normal...no worries..
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Post by openingact34 on May 18, 2023 20:02:59 GMT -5
Now one case after another are coming to light and so I wonder if this abuse is pervasive? If it’s pervasive in the truth, why? Is it because of how sex is viewed by workers and some friends? It’s taboo, shameful? Or, are those who already have a sexual perversion drawn to the work as a means to somehow manage it? The most obvious linkage is that it is pervasive in part because it is tolerated and even protected. The reason for the protection is really no different than any number of other Christian churches with similar epidemics of abuse. It comes down the moral balance that you calculate if you subscribe to the teachings of Jesus. If Joe the schoolteacher is found to be a child predator, consider the moral cost vs benefit of reporting Joe and sending him to prison. At worst, they won't be able to find a replacement teacher, they will have to double up the size of the class to teach more students less effectively. Perhaps Joe is a really gifted teacher, and perhaps with less individualized attention, a few of the students will drop out of school, or end up not getting into their preferred post-secondary option, but nobody directly dies. Stopping the ongoing abuse is clearly the more pressing matter. Now consider the balance if Joe is instead a preacher is found to be a child predator. The harvest is great and the laborers are few. If we put Joe in prison, all the people who he would have saved will be TORTURED FOR ALL ETERNITY WITH MOLTEN SULFUR BY THE ALL-LOVING FATHER IN HEAVEN. You are put in a position where you have to consider whether a bunch of children getting abused is worse or a bunch of people getting brutally tortured forever and ever is worse. And here the justification starts and the scale can start to tip in favor of protecting the abuser. After all, God's torture of sinners in hell goes on forever and ever, whereas the abuse is quite brief in comparison.
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 18, 2023 20:17:27 GMT -5
It may have been from a situation he had with the workers....went bonkers over it... Why are you on here ? Would you like to speak to my police officers ? I can hook ya up . You seem bitter that we come here to discuss issues . Not literally , but I am here because I get support from excellent professing people . I still break bread with many professing people . What is your mission ? You really don’t get it . Regardless of not being professing I took my parents to all meetings and special meetings and conventions . I served my parents even though not professing ! Were you raped at 13 years old and still trying to bury -hit about the Way ? Like really walk my path and then you might know what CSA/SA DOES !!!!! I have had a really busy day . 1Chinesewhispers: You know, I had a good thought experiment for myself the other day. I was thinking about a family member who is very hard to get along with and just kinda hard to be around, you know the type im sure. And the thought came to me, walk a mile in her shoes. No, don’t walk a mile, walk a whole lifetime in her shoes. If I had her personality, and went through the tragedies in life she had, and every experience she had…would I be EXACTLY how she is now? I don’t know the answer, but I know it helped me feel more softly towards her, more empathy. Yes, she could get help, yes she could try harder, yes she could look in the mirror, but who am I say I’d be different? I think of you, raped at 13…I can’t even imagine! How can I even grasp what that would be like, never sexually abused as a kid myself? I try to think of it, the scenarios and the years dealing with that, but I can’t experience it. not even close. So I feel for you so much! And I’m glad that CSA getting purged out of the truth, even thought it hurts to watch my “family” which I love get torn apart. We will be better because of it. Yes, I wish our leaders did this 50 years ago. but, the best time to plant a tree was 50 years ago, the next best time to plant one is today!
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Post by Grant on May 18, 2023 21:15:41 GMT -5
My thoughts for today are that God is showing this way / church is not of him. It is of man. God is allowing it to be torn down. It was founded on men not Jesus the Rock.
Workers are being forced to reach out to the world for support and help. The world which It so despises. It is just another church, no better or worse...sorry it is worse because it always claimed that it was better than other churches and that workers were not like the hireling ministers of other churches.
God is allowing it to be torn from the top down. The foundation is broken. Time for the workers to repent not just for the sexual abuse, fornication and abuse to members but for the lie that they are the only true way and was started by Jesus. Time for them to publicly announce and denounce that lie in which many of those who professed believe and came into the fellowship believing and was passed down the generations.
Confess and be open about their beginning instead of their high and mighty attitude that they are superior to other churches. God has shown that such a ministry as the workers is not the way, but is self destructive and mans way. Get their focus on Jesus and off themselves.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 18, 2023 21:27:39 GMT -5
A positive message Hi - I'm a long time lurker and only recently made an account just so I could support people who are spoken to in very unkindly ways. You are taking heat for being so open and vulnerable, and I am sorry. Please ignore people who are rude to you; they do not reflect all of us.
I admire what you are doing and I know you're putting your own health at risk while doing so. Thank you and, again, I'm sorry.
All the best to you.
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Post by verna on May 18, 2023 22:11:40 GMT -5
Why are you on here ? Would you like to speak to my police officers ? I can hook ya up . You seem bitter that we come here to discuss issues . Not literally , but I am here because I get support from excellent professing people . I still break bread with many professing people . What is your mission ? You really don’t get it . Regardless of not being professing I took my parents to all meetings and special meetings and conventions . I served my parents even though not professing ! Were you raped at 13 years old and still trying to bury -hit about the Way ? What is YOUR mission Chinese? You come across as confused and in need of being cleared. Have you gotten the help that you really need? Or are you just going from person to person to carry you along? Chinese: you need professional help. Are you truly getting that? Or are you just getting validation from people that make you feel okay in the moment? I know who you are, Chinese. And you are running, literally RUNNING from your problems. If you were raped, Ok. Fine. But you need professional help. Not just a forum. You need someone who will help you face your demons head on. Head on. The demons of Jesus' day are still around. And, I suspect they are wrecking havoc on your life. Time to cast the demons OUT. OUT. Good - bye demons. In the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to leave ! Can you say that with complete conviction? Because that is what it takes. YOU have the power to cast out the demons if you really want to. Chinese whispers really needs our support. Several of us on this board have a lot of respect for her. It sounds like you are suggesting that she is possessed by the devil. I certainly hope that is not what you are suggesting. That is certainly not helpful - even cruel.
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Post by getreal on May 18, 2023 22:17:48 GMT -5
My thoughts for today are that God is showing this way / church is not of him. It is of man. God is allowing it to be torn down. It was founded on men not Jesus the Rock. Workers are being forced to reach out to the world for support and help. The world which It so despises. It is just another church, no better or worse...sorry it is worse because it always claimed that it was better than other churches and that workers were not like the hireling ministers of other churches. God is allowing it to be torn from the top down. The foundation is broken. Time for the workers to repent not just for the sexual abuse, fornication and abuse to members but for the lie that they are the only true way and was started by Jesus. Time for them to publicly announce and denounce that lie in which many of those who professed believe and came into the fellowship believing and was passed down the generations. Confess and be open about their beginning instead of their high and mighty attitude that they are superior to other churches. God has shown that such a ministry as the workers is not the way, but is self destructive and mans way. Get their focus on Jesus and off themselves. Really, couldn’t it be enough, if you could truly aspire to it being the best way. Aim for that. The only way, that is presumptuousness. How be it we let god decide about that. A little humility please. You don’t want people who stay out of fear, as friends or workers. It needs to be ok for people to say, you know what, it just isn’t working out for me. And they should say, fine, go in peace and welcome back if you change your mind. No repercussions, threats, personal attacks, shunning, reputation tramping. Wouldn’t it be lovely. If they didn’t turn you into a threat.
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Post by Grant on May 18, 2023 22:50:46 GMT -5
My thoughts for today are that God is showing this way / church is not of him. It is of man. God is allowing it to be torn down. It was founded on men not Jesus the Rock. Workers are being forced to reach out to the world for support and help. The world which It so despises. It is just another church, no better or worse...sorry it is worse because it always claimed that it was better than other churches and that workers were not like the hireling ministers of other churches. God is allowing it to be torn from the top down. The foundation is broken. Time for the workers to repent not just for the sexual abuse, fornication and abuse to members but for the lie that they are the only true way and was started by Jesus. Time for them to publicly announce and denounce that lie in which many of those who professed believe and came into the fellowship believing and was passed down the generations. Confess and be open about their beginning instead of their high and mighty attitude that they are superior to other churches. God has shown that such a ministry as the workers is not the way, but is self destructive and mans way. Get their focus on Jesus and off themselves. Really, couldn’t it be enough, if you could truly aspire to it being the best way. Aim for that. The only way, that is presumptuousness. How be it we let god decide about that. A little humility please. You don’t want people who stay out of fear, as friends or workers. It needs to be ok for people to say, you know what, it just isn’t working out for me. And they should say, fine, go in peace and welcome back if you change your mind. No repercussions, threats, personal attacks, shunning, reputation tramping. Wouldn’t it be lovely. If they didn’t turn you into a threat. Why does it have to be the best way? Why be better than others? Why not be content to be part of the Body of Christ. Equal to, not better or superior to others. That's where pride comes in. Jesus is the head.
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Post by getreal on May 18, 2023 23:10:23 GMT -5
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