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Post by chuck on May 18, 2023 23:35:38 GMT -5
Oops, it's me, apologies, I meant I didn't enjoy the way "allwaysbekind" asked his or her question but I will give "allwaysbekind" the benefit of the doubt. Oh my me and the English language🤣 To all above comments: Thank you for respectfully sharing your experience, background, and perspective. I didn’t want to join in here on this forum, but some of the things I’ve read on this site from SOME (not all) representing our faith I strongly disagree with either what they say and/or the spirit of how they say it) and everyone that I know inside, would too. I’m not clumping anyone together on that, it just made me sad to read some of the arguments from those claiming to be inside our faith. I’m not here recruit anyone or cause trouble, but maybe just to help bridge the gap. I feel really bad for those that have experience terrible things in our faith and been treated so poorly, and I’m sorry. To Umfolozi: After this comment, I went and reread my first post and you’re right, the tone or the questions could have been articulated a lot better. so I apologize for that and thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt as that was not my intention to ruffle feathers, offend, or argue my point, but to learn and listen to the other side. I think you also had an issue with me lumping all of the exes together as “bitter exes”. I do not think that. One of the comments above pointed out that there’s a diverse group of exes on here (and everywhere), which is what I’ve always thought. We are all individual, anyways. I was more curious to hear from the more bitter exes, specifically, but very happy to hear everyone’s perspective. Sorry to offend you! "I feel really bad for those that have experience terrible things in our faith and been treated so poorly" You might want to think about that statement. How about investigating why "our faith" has the proclivity to hurt people so then you wont have to feel sorry for them in the first place........
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 0:08:36 GMT -5
The fact is… if any of you did any research on demonic possession… you would realize that they take advantage of when children are abused! Hello. A door is opened for demonic spirits when a child is abused. Chinese comes across as someone who is not herself and very confused. It could be a demon. That’s all I I’m saying. Like it or not.
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Post by getreal on May 19, 2023 0:19:46 GMT -5
What the? What? What is this? Calling someone a demon? My head is spinning. Exorcist reference.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 0:19:55 GMT -5
What is YOUR mission Chinese? You come across as confused and in need of being cleared. Have you gotten the help that you really need? Or are you just going from person to person to carry you along? Chinese: you need professional help. Are you truly getting that? Or are you just getting validation from people that make you feel okay in the moment? I know who you are, Chinese. And you are running, literally RUNNING from your problems. If you were raped, Ok. Fine. But you need professional help. Not just a forum. You need someone who will help you face your demons head on. Head on. The demons of Jesus' day are still around. And, I suspect they are wrecking havoc on your life. Time to cast the demons OUT. OUT. Good - bye demons. In the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to leave  ! Can you say that with complete conviction? Because that is what it takes. YOU have the power to cast out the demons if you really want to. Chinese whispers really needs our support. Several of us on this board have a lot of respect for her. It sounds like you are suggesting that she is possessed by the devil. I certainly hope that is not what you are suggesting. That is certainly not helpful - even cruel. Verna, I have never asked for your opinion so close your mouth.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 0:28:16 GMT -5
Should I give police your name Peggy ? Because it appears you know everything ! Is that some sort of threat?
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Post by fixit on May 19, 2023 0:31:15 GMT -5
Chinese whispers really needs our support. Several of us on this board have a lot of respect for her. It sounds like you are suggesting that she is possessed by the devil. I certainly hope that is not what you are suggesting. That is certainly not helpful - even cruel. Verna, I have never asked for your opinion so close your mouth. Verna is a much appreciated member here. Her opinions are welcomed. What is not welcome is any member telling another to close her mouth.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 0:33:34 GMT -5
Verna, I have never asked for your opinion so close your mouth. Verna is a much appreciated member here. Her opinions are welcomed. What is not welcome is any member telling another to close her mouth.Verna comes across to me as wanting to pick arguments. That’s all.
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Post by fixit on May 19, 2023 0:39:51 GMT -5
Verna is a much appreciated member here. Her opinions are welcomed. What is not welcome is any member telling another to close her mouth.Verna comes across to me as wanting to pick arguments. That’s all. What do you think a forum is for? It's good for us to be challenged.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 19, 2023 0:57:54 GMT -5
Chinese whispers really needs our support. Several of us on this board have a lot of respect for her. It sounds like you are suggesting that she is possessed by the devil. I certainly hope that is not what you are suggesting. That is certainly not helpful - even cruel. Verna, I have never asked for your opinion so close your mouth. I'd like you to take Verna's comments seriously. I wanted to tell you the same thing myself, but she got ahead of me.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 0:58:45 GMT -5
Yes it’s good to discuss the issues. I don’t think Verna wishes to have a worthwhile discussion with me. Rather she seems nit picky with me and I don’t know why because I have no history with her.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 19, 2023 1:01:25 GMT -5
Verna is a much appreciated member here. Her opinions are welcomed. What is not welcome is any member telling another to close her mouth.Verna comes across to me as wanting to pick arguments. That’s all. Verna doesn't pick arguments. She discusses quite maturely.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 1:04:51 GMT -5
Verna comes across to me as wanting to pick arguments. That’s all. Verna doesn't pick arguments. She discusses quite maturely. To each his own.
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Post by Grant on May 19, 2023 1:08:51 GMT -5
The fact is… if any of you did any research on demonic possession… you would realize that they take advantage of when children are abused! Hello. A door is opened for demonic spirits when a child is abused. Chinese comes across as someone who is not herself and very confused. It could be a demon. That’s all I I’m saying. Like it or not. You said your sister is a psychologist if i remember correctly. Does she agree that a victim survivor of sexual abuse is demon posessed? Secondly, does she believe mental health issues as a result of abuse is demon posession?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 1:09:15 GMT -5
Really, couldn’t it be enough, if you could truly aspire to it being the best way. Aim for that. The only way, that is presumptuousness. How be it we let god decide about that. A little humility please. You don’t want people who stay out of fear, as friends or workers. It needs to be ok for people to say, you know what, it just isn’t working out for me. And they should say, fine, go in peace and welcome back if you change your mind. No repercussions, threats, personal attacks, shunning, reputation tramping. Wouldn’t it be lovely. If they didn’t turn you into a threat. Why does it have to be the best way? Why be better than others? Why not be content to be part of the Body of Christ. Equal to, not better or superior to others. That's where pride comes in. Jesus is the head. Of the 60+ thousand denominations out there, there are more than a few that say "they are the best or only way".
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Post by Grant on May 19, 2023 1:11:26 GMT -5
Why does it have to be the best way? Why be better than others? Why not be content to be part of the Body of Christ. Equal to, not better or superior to others. That's where pride comes in. Jesus is the head. Of the 60+ thousand denominations out there, there are more than a few that say "they are the best or only way". ...and they are usually exclusive sects or cults. A christian says Jesus is the only way.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 1:11:28 GMT -5
Verna, I have never asked for your opinion so close your mouth. Verna is a much appreciated member here. Her opinions are welcomed. What is not welcome is any member telling another to close her mouth.You only say that when it suits you...
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Post by BobWilliston on May 19, 2023 1:12:22 GMT -5
Yes it’s good to discuss the issues. I don’t think Verna wishes to have a worthwhile discussion with me. Rather she seems nit picky with me and I don’t know why because I have no history with her. She may not. Telling one to shut her mouth doesn't invite a lot of folks for discussion.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 1:13:30 GMT -5
Of the 60+ thousand denominations out there, there are more than a few that say "they are the best or only way". ...and they are usually exclusive sects or cults. A christian says Jesus is the only way. I believe that's my point...
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 1:14:46 GMT -5
Yes it’s good to discuss the issues. I don’t think Verna wishes to have a worthwhile discussion with me. Rather she seems nit picky with me and I don’t know why because I have no history with her. She may not. Telling one to shut her mouth doesn't invite a lot of folks for discussion. Well, it’s perfectly fine if I don’t want to put up with Verna picking arguments with me for no apparent reason.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 19, 2023 1:16:46 GMT -5
She may not. Telling one to shut her mouth doesn't invite a lot of folks for discussion. Well, it’s perfectly fine if I don’t want to put up with Verna picking arguments with me for no apparent reason. I think if you're concerned about someone being nit-picky, keep track of how Wally discusses with the people he thinks are going to hell.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 1:17:27 GMT -5
The fact is… if any of you did any research on demonic possession… you would realize that they take advantage of when children are abused! Hello. A door is opened for demonic spirits when a child is abused. Chinese comes across as someone who is not herself and very confused. It could be a demon. That’s all I I’m saying. Like it or not. You said your sister is a psychologist if i remember correctly. Does she agree that a victim survivor of sexual abuse is demon posessed? Secondly, does she believe mental health issues as a result of abuse is demon posession? It totally depends…. Demonic possession is not unheard of… depending on the circumstances and situation. Have you worked in the mental health field? You need to be open minded.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 1:18:48 GMT -5
Well, it’s perfectly fine if I don’t want to put up with Verna picking arguments with me for no apparent reason. I think if you're concerned about someone being nit-picky, keep track of how Wally discusses with the people he thinks are going to hell. No thanks . I don’t feel any urge to keep track of anyone, really.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 1:19:16 GMT -5
Well, it’s perfectly fine if I don’t want to put up with Verna picking arguments with me for no apparent reason. I think if you're concerned about someone being nit-picky, keep track of how Wally discusses with the people he thinks are going to hell. Look in a mirror counselor... I prefer the term "headed" it's less final. Just sayin'
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 19, 2023 1:19:32 GMT -5
You said your sister is a psychologist if i remember correctly. Does she agree that a victim survivor of sexual abuse is demon posessed? Secondly, does she believe mental health issues as a result of abuse is demon posession? It totally depends…. Demonic possession is not unheard of… depending on the circumstances and situation. Have you worked in the mental health field? You need to be open minded. Demonic possession would require a belief in a god. Reputable doctors rely on medical evidence rather than some goatherder garbage from 2000 years ago.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 19, 2023 1:19:59 GMT -5
I think if you're concerned about someone being nit-picky, keep track of how Wally discusses with the people he thinks are going to hell. No thanks . I don’t feel any urge to keep track of anyone, really.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 19, 2023 1:20:53 GMT -5
It totally depends…. Demonic possession is not unheard of… depending on the circumstances and situation. Have you worked in the mental health field? You need to be open minded. Demonic possession would require a belief in a god. Reputable doctors rely on medical evidence rather than some goatherder garbage from 2000 years ago. She lost me a bit on that comment.
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Post by Grant on May 19, 2023 1:22:08 GMT -5
You said your sister is a psychologist if i remember correctly. Does she agree that a victim survivor of sexual abuse is demon posessed? Secondly, does she believe mental health issues as a result of abuse is demon posession? It totally depends…. Demonic possession is not unheard of… depending on the circumstances and situation. Have you worked in the mental health field? You need to be open minded. Yes i have worked extensively in the MH field.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 19, 2023 1:35:06 GMT -5
It totally depends…. Demonic possession is not unheard of… depending on the circumstances and situation. Have you worked in the mental health field? You need to be open minded. Demonic possession would require a belief in a god. Reputable doctors rely on medical evidence rather than some goatherder garbage from 2000 years ago. Actually, no. A person doesn’t have to believe in God to be possessed.
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