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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 3, 2023 16:16:54 GMT -5
Not 100% effective, whacking the weewee to too short might help or not... Amputation at the neck reduces the possibility of re-offending substantially! The line in "In search of the holy grail" comes to mind. Come back here and I will bite you to death.
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Post by snow on May 3, 2023 17:36:12 GMT -5
Females do get told that they need to be more moderate so that we don't tempt the brother workers. I was told that from a sister worker a couple of times during my teen years and I didn't even profess. I have heard from other women and girls that they too got that talk. So that's the mentality in the group when I was still around them. Other women who still attend can speak to whether or not that is still the mentality. And that advice isn't limited to the 2x2's. I know a Catholic priest who wouldn't let females with short sleeves have communion. Men all over the place can't handle bare arms. www.cnn.com/2023/01/13/politics/missouri-dress-code-lawmakers-house/index.html
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Post by snow on May 3, 2023 17:40:19 GMT -5
A testosterone blocker might do the trick. One treatment they have tried for sex offenders is surgically removing the testicles. Chemical castration is more commonly used than surgical removal.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 3, 2023 17:54:06 GMT -5
One treatment they have tried for sex offenders is surgically removing the testicles. Chemical castration is more commonly used than surgical removal. And less invasive!
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Post by luke2236 on May 3, 2023 19:53:01 GMT -5
Chemical castration is more commonly used than surgical removal. And less invasive! Testicle removal would help a little but I think there is a power element connected to a worker that would do these things as well.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 3, 2023 23:00:02 GMT -5
But it's illegal -- for a good reason. It’s the structure that the 2x2s are under - that’s the point. The beauty comment is sarcastic from the banned poster. It was a quote Banned for a reason, undoubtedly.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 3, 2023 23:03:35 GMT -5
You know who makes the password for porn -- it's the user, not the wifi provider. You can determine if someone is a pedo if you check the history on the computer. But don't need a password to find porn -- just go to the cheap sites that work like TV, view compliments of the advertisers. If you can't control yourself, put a porn blocker on your Internet account The last sentence still doesn't answer the question. Who gets to do that? The porn person? How would they not know the password? Someone else? Who would that be? Another porn viewer? Next door neighbor? Uh huh. One's wife/hubby? there's a conversation a hubby/wife wouldn't want to have with the wife/hubby. Maybe if there are kids you could deflect. I would guess you if it's YOU, could just run your fingers across your keyboard then save it. You turn on the parent control for yourself. !!!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 15:25:17 GMT -5
The last sentence still doesn't answer the question. Who gets to do that? The porn person? How would they not know the password? Someone else? Who would that be? Another porn viewer? Next door neighbor? Uh huh. One's wife/hubby? there's a conversation a hubby/wife wouldn't want to have with the wife/hubby. Maybe if there are kids you could deflect. I would guess you if it's YOU, could just run your fingers across your keyboard then save it. You turn on the parent control for yourself. !!! Unless you might try to do it the way I suggested, that wouldn't work since you'd know the password.
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Post by mdm on May 4, 2023 16:28:13 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on May 10, 2023 16:39:39 GMT -5
And this: Public post (Facebook) by an ex sister workerAn ex sister worker posted this yesterday on Facebook (it's a public post): I’ve been wanting to post something for a couple months but I’ve been thinking and praying about this because I want it to be right. I’m disappointed. And broken-hearted. And angry. Enough is enough. When you establish a power structure (whether you meant to or not) and then pretend there is no power structure, it opens a door that allows predatory and other destructive behaviors to go unchecked. Open communication and transparency are necessary for checks and balances… how about let’s try that instead of victim shaming and “mercy” for the perpetrators of these crimes? Because they are crimes. And while I fully believe that the blood of Jesus is sufficient for the salvation of anyone who shelters under it, that does NOT remove the consequences of actions. When we see evil happening and do nothing we are part of the problem. I’ve stood by and watched from the sidelines for too long. Over and over and over I’ve heard stories of people being mistreated by their coworkers and just being told to “let it go” or “this is part of learning to forebear” Or when it happened to me assuming I was the problem… I know I’m not alone. What hurts the most is that these men and women are supposed to be carrying the most precious treasure and responsibility, sharing the gospel of Christ and caring for His people. My deepest concern in all of this is that people who have trusted in these men and women will lose their faith in God as a result of the wrong. Please let the God of all comfort heal your wounds, and draw you closer into His love as you face this experience. God is so much bigger than all of this nonsense. I would love to have a real conversation with anyone who wants to talk about it. Feel free to share Ezekiel 34:1-31 NLT bible.com/bible/116/ezk.34.1-31.NLT professing.proboards.com/post/1048261/thread
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Post by Admin on May 11, 2023 8:18:12 GMT -5
"The workers in New Mexico and Texas will meet together in Round Rock May 11-13."
Today's the day!
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Post by luke2236 on May 11, 2023 8:37:58 GMT -5
"The workers in New Mexico and Texas will meet together in Round Rock May 11-13." Today's the day! What’s the Over/Under on the number of times “Lord’s Ministry” is mentioned?
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Post by CherieKropp on May 11, 2023 9:24:08 GMT -5
Yesterday, May 10, Lyle emailed a staff update for TX/NM (Day before staff meeting)
From: Lyle Schober <lyleschober2@gmail.com> Date: Wed, May 10, 2023 at 6:00 PM Subject: Staff Update
Dear Friends,
We wanted to inform you that Kenion Bryant and Jennifer Brown have been asked to step away from the ministry, for reasons independent of each other. However, for the purpose of clarity, we assure each of you that neither Jennifer Brown nor Kenion have been accused of SA/CSA.
We greatly appreciate all that they have given of their lives for the Lord's sake. We respect and value them as brethren. We will do all that we can to aid them as they transition into another chapter of their lives. We ask that you keep them in your prayers and that you support them through this difficult experience.
Sincerely,
TX/NM Staff
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Post by mdm on May 12, 2023 15:24:09 GMT -5
Yesterday, May 10, Lyle emailed a staff update for TX/NM (Day before staff meeting) From: Lyle Schober <lyleschober2@gmail.com> Date: Wed, May 10, 2023 at 6:00 PM Subject: Staff Update Dear Friends, We wanted to inform you that Kenion Bryant and Jennifer Brown have been asked to step away from the ministry, for reasons independent of each other. However, for the purpose of clarity, we assure each of you that neither Jennifer Brown nor Kenion have been accused of SA/CSA.
We greatly appreciate all that they have given of their lives for the Lord's sake. We respect and value them as brethren. We will do all that we can to aid them as they transition into another chapter of their lives. We ask that you keep them in your prayers and that you support them through this difficult experience. Sincerely, TX/NM Staff Something about this keeps bother me. I don't know Jennifer, but I know what people who know her are saying about her: She is kind, down-to-earth, free thinker; she was sent to TX from another state for "preaching grace." If she was removed from work for doctrinal issues or disagreements with companions, that needs to be stated clearly. Otherwise, given the timing and context of what's happening in the fellowship, the implication is that she is being removed for immorality, just like some of the other workers removed for affairs/immorality and not for alleged abuse. Either she has been involved in immoral behavior unbecoming of a worker, or this is from my point of view defamation of character.
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Post by Admin on May 12, 2023 17:28:23 GMT -5
Something about this keeps bothering me. I don't know Jennifer, but I know what people who know her are saying about her: She is kind, down-to-earth, free thinker; she was sent to TX from another state for "preaching grace." If she was removed from work for doctrinal issues or disagreements with companions, that needs to be stated clearly. Otherwise, given the timing and context of what's happening in the fellowship, the implication is that she is being removed for immorality, just like some of the other workers removed for affairs/immorality and not for alleged abuse. Either she has been involved in immoral behavior unbecoming of a worker, or this is from my point of view defamation of character. Now this is bothering me too, greatly. I don't know Jennifer personally either. But if, as those who do know her are saying "She is kind, down-to-earth, free thinker; she was sent to TX from another state for 'preaching grace'," then this is potentially a whole other type of abuse that Jennifer has been subject to. What are we to imagine of Jennifer? If she has been 'put out of the work' for being true to her 'calling' and preaching the NT gospel of grace, then as mdm says, this is potentially "defamation of character". It is quite possible that Jennifer is someone we need to wrap in arms of love and support right now, as what has just happened to her would probably be devastating.
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Post by Admin on May 12, 2023 17:38:38 GMT -5
Yes, I agree. We don't need detail, just a general idea. The workers are accountable, so the friends (and other workers) need to know why someone is asked to step out of the work. Like you're saying, with all that is going on these last few weeks, she is likely to be perceived to be guilty of at least some immorality. LS has thankfully mentioned her removal has nothing to do with SA or CSA. But emotional abuse, indecent behavior or something like fornication could come to people's mind while the real truth be far from it! Yes, there does need to be more than the vague worker double-speak and hidden meanings (intended to be 'understood correctly' by the 'friends' according to the group beliefs). Especially under current circumstances of 'clearing out' workers who are the subject of past SA/CSA behavior. What are we to believe by the wording used by Lyle in his 'staff update for TX/NM'? That these workers have been monsters, bullying their companion workers? That they have been true to their 'calling' and preached the NT gospel of grace? That they've perhaps taken a firm stand against the excesses of power in the worker hierarchy? That they've maybe even taken the side of victim/survivors of SA/CSA or of junior workers who have been bullied in their 'place of employment'? I do know that if I was a worker (quelle horreur!) under present circumstances (SA, CSA, workplace bullying, doctrine not in line with scripture), I would have been quickly removed, too. I wonder about Jesus, friend of sinners, if he had been a worker how long would he have lasted?
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Post by Admin on May 12, 2023 18:05:33 GMT -5
Appears to be a follow-up email from Lyle to 'Friends':
From: Lyle Schober Date: Wed, May 10, 2023 at 6:00 PM Subject: Staff Update
Dear Friends,
We wanted to inform you that Kenion Bryant and Jennifer Brown have been asked to step away from the ministry, for reasons independent of each other. However, for the purpose of clarity, we assure each of you that neither Jennifer Brown nor Kenion have been accused of SA/CSA. We greatly appreciate all that they have given of their lives for the Lord's sake. We respect and value them as brethren. We will do all that we can to aid them as they transition into another chapter of their lives. We ask that you keep them in your prayers and that you support them through this difficult experience.
Sincerely, TX/NM Staff
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Post by mdm on May 12, 2023 22:12:25 GMT -5
I just took a look at WINGS website and saw that Lyle’s letter regarding Jennifer and Kenion has been posted there. Since they haven’t been accused of CSA or any kind of abuse, it seems very damaging to be including them in the list of abuse perpetrators. I have emailed WINGS to ask them to reconsider at least until it is known just why they’ve been removed from the work. If anyone knows how to reach anyone connected to WINGS, please please talk to them. I can’t imagine the horror they would go through if they saw their names included there unjustly.
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Post by mdm on May 12, 2023 23:11:23 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 12, 2023 23:29:59 GMT -5
The workers at any level, but especially the big cheeses, only have whatever power the sheeple give them. I say abandon them. Walk away from them. Close the door on them. If you want to have your fellowship meetings then go ahead. Just make sure your company has some morals.
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Post by Dan on May 12, 2023 23:30:47 GMT -5
If true, that's terrible... It pretty much defeats (contradicts) what this whole mess is about.
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Post by fixit on May 12, 2023 23:33:42 GMT -5
I wonder about Jesus, friend of sinners, if he had been a worker how long would he have lasted? Or even allowed to profess?
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Post by jonathan on May 13, 2023 0:38:10 GMT -5
As they look down from above, I often think God and Christ dismayed as they see the arrogance of some workers and some elders, while at the same time feeling a deep hurt for those who are affected in negative ways by the actions of these workers who are workers in name only, but actually reprobate.
Titus 1:15-16 :15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
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Post by Pragmatic on May 13, 2023 1:11:45 GMT -5
I don't like this.......there's something that's not passing the sniff test for me.
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Post by mdm on May 13, 2023 10:16:10 GMT -5
I just took a look at WINGS website and saw that Lyle’s letter regarding Jennifer and Kenion has been posted there. Since they haven’t been accused of CSA or any kind of abuse, it seems very damaging to be including them in the list of abuse perpetrators. I have emailed WINGS to ask them to reconsider at least until it is known just why they’ve been removed from the work. If anyone knows how to reach anyone connected to WINGS, please please talk to them. I can’t imagine the horror they would go through if they saw their names included there unjustly. Update: WINGS admins have edited the post and removed their names. “Lyle Schober advises that [male worker name redacted] and [female worker name redacted] have been asked to step down for unstated reasons WINGS Note: There is no suggestion that either worker was involved in child abuse but the circumstances of their removal has not been clarified.”
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Post by cornsilk on May 13, 2023 10:22:58 GMT -5
I just took a look at WINGS website and saw that Lyle’s letter regarding Jennifer and Kenion has been posted there. Since they haven’t been accused of CSA or any kind of abuse, it seems very damaging to be including them in the list of abuse perpetrators. I have emailed WINGS to ask them to reconsider at least until it is known just why they’ve been removed from the work. If anyone knows how to reach anyone connected to WINGS, please please talk to them. I can’t imagine the horror they would go through if they saw their names included there unjustly. Update: WINGS admins have edited the post and removed their names. “Lyle Schober advises that [male worker name redacted] and [female worker name redacted] have been asked to step down for unstated reasons WINGS Note: There is no suggestion that either worker was involved in child abuse but the circumstances of their removal has not been clarified.” Hmmm…and just like that, transparency has been removed and replaced with secrecy. That’s ok, we seem to find out plenty!
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Post by mdm on May 13, 2023 10:49:54 GMT -5
Update: WINGS admins have edited the post and removed their names. “Lyle Schober advises that [male worker name redacted] and [female worker name redacted] have been asked to step down for unstated reasons WINGS Note: There is no suggestion that either worker was involved in child abuse but the circumstances of their removal has not been clarified.” Hmmm…and just like that, transparency has been removed and replaced with secrecy. That’s ok, we seem to find out plenty! There are reasons to believe that Jennifer and possibly Kenion have done nothing to deserve their names being included in the list of sexual abusers and sexually immoral ministers. That they were removed from the ministry for reasons unrelated to WINGS’ focus. WINGS admins have redacted their names until it’s clarified why they were asked to step down. In Jennifer’s case, there is very strong possibility that she was removed from the ministry for doctrinal differences (preaching grace), which was reportedly the reason she was sent to Texas from her previous field. Also, a comment has been posted on WINGS website that she was in fact dismissed for speaking out AGAINST covering up SA.
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Post by jonathan on May 13, 2023 13:46:21 GMT -5
The reason for the sw to be asked to step out of the work needs to be described more fully. Like mdm is trying to say, it's unfortunate her name is mentioned among those guilty of CSA/SA, although in his mag Lyle S did make shorten mention it was not for CSA/SA.
Give us a fuller description of the reason, which description will confirm and entrench that it wasn't for CSA/SA.
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