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Post by Dan on Apr 29, 2023 2:08:39 GMT -5
Its kind of sad that we're discussing putting porn blockers on Workers phones and monitoring them. I doubt that plan will fly? Trying to protect Workers from temptation seems counterproductive, they are already sheltered to a degree from real world corruption. Treating them like children and checking their phones would be insulting. Besides, aren't they suppose to set the example and resist sin/temptation themselves?
I just think since they are adults, their phones are their business. Would Friends also have the authority to go through their suitcases and search for pornographic material? That's an invasion of privacy and I doubt any of them would agree to such personal searches. What's next, do we inspect their bags of merchandise every time they go to a drug store to make sure there's no condoms or Viagra in them.
I just think that if you need to install a porn blocker on all Workers phones because they are so weak that they can't resist filth or control their lust, then maybe they ought to find another line of work. They can't be searched like prisoners or monitored like babies. Trust is ultimately a necessity, but instituting some commonsense awareness, oversight, and rules need to be implemented.. jmo
I agree with this, but we're talking about a group that tells their women that they have to make sure their dress and actions doesn't tempt the brother workers. So they are saying that the workers aren't responsible for monitoring their behavior and can't be blamed when a woman tempts them by not doing the right thing.
I think the dress codes are for modesty and not put in place so brother Workers aren't tempted. If a male Worker can't control himself around a little T&A, then he's weak and his flesh is not under subjection to his spirit. If someone falls to sinful acts, blaming their surroundings or other people for their uncontrolled lust just isn't an excuse that flies. God didn't blame Bathsheba, he punished David.
My bigger point was that friends and Workers alike are all accountable for what we do, putting baby monitors in bedrooms to prevent sin won't clean-up a wayward heart. Jesus never told a woman to wear a longer skirt to avoid being raped.
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Post by mountain on Apr 29, 2023 3:31:55 GMT -5
Right now no one's impressed by what some of them do on their own will. There is a good catch, though. Provide them with a phone at your expense with a contract to have you inspect their phone history at regular intervals. That will keep you on your toes. Its kind of sad that we're discussing putting porn blockers on Workers phones and monitoring them. I doubt that plan will fly? Trying to protect Workers from temptation seems counterproductive, they are already sheltered to a degree from real world corruption. Treating them like children and checking their phones would be insulting. Besides, aren't they suppose to set the example and resist sin/temptation themselves?
I just think since they are adults, their phones are their business. Would Friends also have the authority to go through their suitcases and search for pornographic material? That's an invasion of privacy and I doubt any of them would agree to such personal searches. What's next, do we inspect their bags of merchandise every time they go to a drug store to make sure there's no condoms or Viagra in them.
I just think that if you need to install a porn blocker on all Workers phones because they are so weak that they can't resist filth or control their lust, then maybe they ought to find another line of work. They can't be searched like prisoners or monitored like babies. Trust is ultimately a necessity, but instituting some commonsense awareness, oversight, and rules need to be implemented.. jmo
Resisting temptation is better if the temptation is not there in the first place. After all, an essential ingredient in The Lord's Prayer is asking not to be led into temptation and to be delivered from all evil. When it does occur it needs to be recognised and consciously addressed, otherwise if it is accompanied by opportunity we are at the mercy of our weaknesses. As a start, the workers should adopt the rule that they should not stay in the homes where unrelated children abide or there are other vulnerable persons staying. They should not stay in homes of unrelated single people of the opposite sex or be alone in homes of married persons of the opposite sex where the spouse is away from home. This would be a very sensible and logical start to combatting temptation AND opportunity for things like CSA or improper conduct to occur. It would be no hardship for the workers either. These standards are readily accepted in society as a whole and the current set up is bewildering to the world who would see it as asking for trouble and would not be surprised when it occurs. Staying in peoples' homes, especially unrelated people, where workers are regarded as somewhat 'above the world and its 'shenanigans' is a matter of huge trust which disarms homeowners of their guard. Workers should actively seek such measures to reduce temptation and opportunity for their weaker co-workers. This is only a start, but a major step forward. All other forms of abuse and improper conduct require to be addressed as well. It happens throughout the world and recent years have clearly shown that the work is just as subject to succumbing to weaknesses as anyone else and hence deserve no special considerations or privileges that may expose the vulnerable to unnecessary levels of exploitation. The Lord's Prayer (Traditional) Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done; on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.
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Post by mountain on Apr 29, 2023 3:41:02 GMT -5
Good points...and anyone can say no if they want to surf with their password... Just say "no". A very wise worker once said, "I try to teach my companions to behave like guests when the go into people's homes." I have heard this elsewhere also. If true it shows that at least one worker has recognised at a minimum amongst his companions, a culture of taking things for granted when in peoples's homes.
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 9:52:25 GMT -5
Porn blockers are real tools used by adults to limit their temptation to watch pornography. If that’s not enough of a temptation stopper, the person probably has a real issue and shouldn’t be in a celibate ministry where the ministers stay in kids rooms and there is an unreported CSA problem. It’s the least they can do. Again no one is forcing them into the work, I’m not sure how this would be any additional burden than forcing them to wear shirts or dresses in meeting.
Most people use it for their children, to block adult content. Workers aren't children, so I don't think its the congregations responsibility to protect their ministers from negative influences. That almost sounds like role reversal. Temptation is everywhere, its everyone's individual responsibility to resist turning to smut.
I would feel very uncomfortable asking a Worker for their phone so that I could check-up on them to make sure they aren't accessing anything I feel is sinful. If I insisted on checking my sisters (worker) phone for that reason, she'd probably shove her phone where the sun don't shine . I just think it would be very degrading to treat Workers like irresponsible babies. Even the police need a warrant to search the contents of a personal device.
If Workers wanted to use a blocker themselves, that would be their personal decision. Otherwise, its like closing all the bars and taverns so that a Worker with a potential drinking problem can't be tempted. We can't hide them from every negative influence, they must have the self-discipline to resist temptation themselves. jmo
The topic is what Lyles meeting should discuss…. You wouldn’t do anything, you wouldn’t enforce anything……. Just like you don’t ask the workers to view CSA education every two years…. You don’t ask the sister workers to wear dresses in meeting… You don’t ask the men workers to wear pants in meeting…. The head workers get together and set the unwritten rules……… Porn blockers are real tools used by adults to limit their temptation to watch pornography. Again, if that’s not enough of a temptation stopper, the person probably has a real issue and shouldn’t be in a celibate ministry. These celibate ministers stay in kids rooms The celibate ministry has is an unreported CSA problem. The celibate ministers ask for our Wi-Fi password The celibate ministers go to their room alone and get bored. The celibate minister can protect them selves from lusting to Internet porn in a kids room if they have a porn blocker. And the Head workers can ask the workers to install them. It’s the least they can do. Again no one is forcing them into the work, I’m not sure how this would be any additional burden than forcing them to wear shirts or dresses or hair up in meeting
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 10:01:37 GMT -5
I agree with this, but we're talking about a group that tells their women that they have to make sure their dress and actions doesn't tempt the brother workers. So they are saying that the workers aren't responsible for monitoring their behavior and can't be blamed when a woman tempts them by not doing the right thing.
I think the dress codes are for modesty and not put in place so brother Workers aren't tempted. If a male Worker can't control himself around a little T&A, then he's weak and his flesh is not under subjection to his spirit. If someone falls to sinful acts, blaming their surroundings or other people for their uncontrolled lust just isn't an excuse that flies. God didn't blame Bathsheba, he punished David.
My bigger point was that friends and Workers alike are all accountable for what we do, putting baby monitors in bedrooms to prevent sin won't clean-up a wayward heart. Jesus never told a woman to wear a longer skirt to avoid being raped.
All this talk is related to Dean Bruer. The thought of celibacy and workers lusting to porn didn’t come to me until after I read about the overseer who had porn on his computer, and a lot of Best Western points. Dean was supposed to be guided by the spirit so he could lead other workers who are guided by the spirit. This type of person I’m comfortable with in my home and my parents home and my friends homes where my kids sleep. But Dean wasn’t, many others are coming out as not being guided by the spirit. So we can’t tell who is who! I don’t want workers lusting to porn in my kids room. I don’t know if Lyle wants workers lusting to porn at all. Maybe he is fine with it? If Lyle isn’t fine with it, then porn blockers are a good option to limit temptation.
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 10:14:20 GMT -5
The friends have no power unless they all band together and reject authority as a bloc. The older friends in my area are mostly oblivious, and if they do find out most will (a) not believe it and/or (b) be abhorred at the word "sexual" being spoken. So, change from below is difficult. In my area there are a lot of young educated friends, but they not willing to rock the boat either. Many, including older friends, know of SA in the fellowship. Their solution is to be on guard with the workers, as opposed to speak up and ask for accountability. Why do you think they are unwilling to rock the boat? I was unwilling because: I was afraid I would be considered a murmurer. I was afraid I would be someone who causes others to lose their salvation. I was afraid to bring pressure to my parents I was afraid the workers would eventually bring in their most respected worker and give me a talk and re-education, I was afraid of leaving because all the other churches lead to hell. That’s a few
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2023 10:37:09 GMT -5
Most people use it for their children, to block adult content. Workers aren't children, so I don't think its the congregations responsibility to protect their ministers from negative influences. That almost sounds like role reversal. Temptation is everywhere, its everyone's individual responsibility to resist turning to smut.
I would feel very uncomfortable asking a Worker for their phone so that I could check-up on them to make sure they aren't accessing anything I feel is sinful. If I insisted on checking my sisters (worker) phone for that reason, she'd probably shove her phone where the sun don't shine . I just think it would be very degrading to treat Workers like irresponsible babies. Even the police need a warrant to search the contents of a personal device.
If Workers wanted to use a blocker themselves, that would be their personal decision. Otherwise, its like closing all the bars and taverns so that a Worker with a potential drinking problem can't be tempted. We can't hide them from every negative influence, they must have the self-discipline to resist temptation themselves. jmo
The topic is what Lyles meeting should discuss…. You wouldn’t do anything, you wouldn’t enforce anything……. Just like you don’t ask the workers to view CSA education every two years…. You don’t ask the sister workers to wear dresses in meeting… You don’t ask the men workers to wear pants in meeting…. The head workers get together and set the unwritten rules……… Porn blockers are real tools used by adults to limit their temptation to watch pornography. Again, if that’s not enough of a temptation stopper, the person probably has a real issue and shouldn’t be in a celibate ministry. These celibate ministers stay in kids rooms The celibate ministry has is an unreported CSA problem. The celibate ministers ask for our Wi-Fi password The celibate ministers go to their room alone and get bored. The celibate minister can protect them selves from lusting to Internet porn in a kids room if they have a porn blocker. And the Head workers can ask the workers to install them. It’s the least they can do. Again no one is forcing them into the work, I’m not sure how this would be any additional burden than forcing them to wear shirts or dresses or hair up in meeting Who gets to make the password for porn blockers? And would we also know if those making the passwords are not also pedos?
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 10:47:32 GMT -5
The topic is what Lyles meeting should discuss…. You wouldn’t do anything, you wouldn’t enforce anything……. Just like you don’t ask the workers to view CSA education every two years…. You don’t ask the sister workers to wear dresses in meeting… You don’t ask the men workers to wear pants in meeting…. The head workers get together and set the unwritten rules……… Porn blockers are real tools used by adults to limit their temptation to watch pornography. Again, if that’s not enough of a temptation stopper, the person probably has a real issue and shouldn’t be in a celibate ministry. These celibate ministers stay in kids rooms The celibate ministry has is an unreported CSA problem. The celibate ministers ask for our Wi-Fi password The celibate ministers go to their room alone and get bored. The celibate minister can protect them selves from lusting to Internet porn in a kids room if they have a porn blocker. And the Head workers can ask the workers to install them. It’s the least they can do. Again no one is forcing them into the work, I’m not sure how this would be any additional burden than forcing them to wear shirts or dresses or hair up in meeting Who gets to make the password for porn blockers? And would we also know if those making the passwords are not also pedos? That would be up to Lyle on the format, but a lawyer would be a great suggestion. Since these people have legal rights they would need to sign this password right over to a lawyer as long as they remain in the work. But that won’t happen. This setup won’t prevent 2x2s from finding porn somewhere else (like if they buy another phone or iPad). All this does is put another barrier over accessing porn. It’s kind of an easy way to identify if you have a problem. If you find away around the system to get porn maybe you shouldn’t be in the celibate ministry. If every worker had porn blockers on their phones and laptops and iPads, would the number of porn watching preachers go down even if the overseer with the password was a pedo? Also the overseer would also need to have the porn blocker and the password given to another worker or elder.
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Post by snow on Apr 29, 2023 12:33:35 GMT -5
I think that without the workers though that everything would just fall apart. Who would tell them what to do, guilt and shame them when they don't follow the rules that don't exist etc. Once you realize that your salvation isn't based on professing the workers lose their hold over you and many just walk away. When the Alberta excommunications happened those who were excommunicated got together for bible studies for awhile, but that slowly just faded away. And, the thing is that there are good genuine workers that do take responsibility for their actions and genuinely want to be a role model to the friends. But the bad actors in the group are taking it down and that's going to be really hard on those who value the meetings in the homes system. It all comes back to what they believe. Everything else such as criminal workers or hair in buns is secondary. If people did their homework and seriously asked themselves whether the belief in a god could be supported by factual evidence of a god then that would be progress. Well yes, that's where you and I are at. If you're a 2x2 though they definitely have the belief their is a god of some sort.
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Post by snow on Apr 29, 2023 12:38:01 GMT -5
I agree with this, but we're talking about a group that tells their women that they have to make sure their dress and actions doesn't tempt the brother workers. So they are saying that the workers aren't responsible for monitoring their behavior and can't be blamed when a woman tempts them by not doing the right thing. I think the dress codes are for modesty and not put in place so brother Workers aren't tempted. If a male Worker can't control himself around a little T&A, then he's weak and his flesh is not under subjection to his spirit. If someone falls to sinful acts, blaming their surroundings or other people for their uncontrolled lust just isn't an excuse that flies. God didn't blame Bathsheba, he punished David. My bigger point was that friends and Workers alike are all accountable for what we do, putting baby monitors in bedrooms to prevent sin won't clean-up a wayward heart. Jesus never told a woman to wear a longer skirt to avoid being raped.
Females do get told that they need to be more moderate so that we don't tempt the brother workers. I was told that from a sister worker a couple of times during my teen years and I didn't even profess. I have heard from other women and girls that they too got that talk. So that's the mentality in the group when I was still around them. Other women who still attend can speak to whether or not that is still the mentality.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 29, 2023 13:11:03 GMT -5
It all comes back to what they believe. Everything else such as criminal workers or hair in buns is secondary. If people did their homework and seriously asked themselves whether the belief in a god could be supported by factual evidence of a god then that would be progress. Well yes, that's where you and I are at. If you're a 2x2 though they definitely have the belief their is a god of some sort. If I was criminally inclined I would tell god believers that I have this amazing investment offer. 100% a month, paid in gold bars and delivered by Rolls Royce.
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Post by neighbour on Apr 29, 2023 13:12:58 GMT -5
Well yes, that's where you and I are at. If you're a 2x2 though they definitely have the belief their is a god of some sort. If I was criminally inclined I would tell god believers that I have this amazing investment offer. 100% a month, paid in gold bars and delivered by Rolls Royce. Oh, the friends happily sell each other nearly every MLM there is, from Primerica to Pampered Chef
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 13:27:41 GMT -5
If they don’t change the structure nothing will change. professing.proboards.com/thread/25089/2x2-business-model-exposedFound this from 2017. Really makes you think and wonder how many victims would have been prevented if the 2x2 had an accounting system that held them accountable. Maybe this would be a good topic to bring up at the meeting. “ The beauty of this business model, despite being illegal, is that if one of the 'Workers' commits a crime such as sexually assaulting a child, the victims of the crime are unable to successfully sue for damages from the Worker since the Worker himself/herself has no personal assets to seize. In a normal organization, the victims could sue the organization as well. But in 2x2ism case who do you sue since you don't even know who controls what or where the money is? Furthermore, there is no 2x2 legal entity to sue. This is the exact legal defense that a 2x2 Overseer used - that he was not a minister since there was no church that he was a minister of, and therefore how could he be held accountable. Beautiful. This is exactly how organized crime is set up. Even worse, all that hidden away money is then used by Overseers to pay for expensive lawyers to defend any 2x2 minister charged with a crime. What a racket. Or to put it in legal terms - racketeering. Thankfully in the US the Dept of Justice can use the RICO act to pierce the organizational structure. ”
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 29, 2023 20:46:11 GMT -5
I have a news flash for you and you're not going to like it. (I considered making a new post in one of those places down there at the bottom, but here we are.) Religion is the cause of all of these problems. Don't believe it? Step back and look around a little. CSA in your church has been discussed in here for nearly twenty years and you're acting like it just became an issue yesterday. Good grief. You've been climbing a ladder with no rungs. You're not getting anywhere. You're not accomplishing squat. "We're having a meeting to discuss a meeting about a meeting to meet with folks about a meeting to discuss a meeting." Yeah, that's working great for you. All of the keystrokes, all of the jabbering, and you still have innocent kids ... who hopefully run as far away as they can from religion. I really feel for permanently scarred children. You have no idea, or evidently do not care, how damaged those kids are and will be. It's permanent. It's not a scar or an oops or whatever the heck. Kids! You deserve better! Get out!! All religion is based on religion and a hefty dose of wishful thinking. They are reaping the rewards of treating mythology as truth. So true !
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 29, 2023 21:49:52 GMT -5
It was supposed to read. "All religion is based on mythology..... I have corrected the original.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 30, 2023 0:31:46 GMT -5
Do you use butter as lube? Do you use lube? It doesn't appear so. You call me stupid and yet you are the one that believes in mythology. Enjoy your eternal death rotting away like every other bit of life on this planet.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 1, 2023 12:40:36 GMT -5
I find it interesting that Lyle used the example of a dress code for a prison to substantiate a proper dress code in church. Prison is not church… at least one would hope not….. unless that’s how he wants people to think of themselves: prisoners who can’t control themselves? No, just no. Jesus didn’t preach on a dress code. Paul encouraged the women to be modest. Modesty is much more than just covering skin. It can even mean don’t wear anything too expensive or extravagant. No, best stay out of how women should dress. As we have seen… in all the years the fellowship has been in existence the women’s dress code hasn’t stopped immorality or sexual misconduct and abuse. Each person is responsible for their own self control.
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Post by luke2236 on May 1, 2023 13:26:45 GMT -5
I find it interesting that Lyle used the example of a dress code for a prison to substantiate a proper dress code in church. Prison is not church… at least one would hope not….. unless that’s how he wants people to think of themselves: prisoners who can’t control themselves? No, just no. Jesus didn’t preach on a dress code. Paul encouraged the women to be modest. Modesty is much more than just covering skin. It can even mean don’t wear anything too expensive or extravagant. No, best stay out of how women should dress. As we have seen… in all the years the fellowship has been in existence the women’s dress code hasn’t stopped immorality or sexual misconduct and abuse. Each person is responsible for their own self control. Generally the reason that men in religious organizations care about what women wear is because they are trying to blame the woman for their lustful thoughts. “If they wouldn’t do this, I wouldn’t do this.” Think about a celibate worker with no training for being celibate being in houses and seeing “todays fashions”. To me that’s what’s happening here. That’s why the thought is heavy enough on his mind to write the letter in a church without written rules. The timing of Lyle’s recent letter about CSA also instructs families to tell their children about appropriate touching and behavior that the children should have around the workers. While these are good pieces of advice for children to be able to protect themselves, it kind of feels like some of the blame is being passed again.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 1, 2023 13:42:51 GMT -5
I find it interesting that Lyle used the example of a dress code for a prison to substantiate a proper dress code in church. Prison is not church… at least one would hope not….. unless that’s how he wants people to think of themselves: prisoners who can’t control themselves? No, just no. Jesus didn’t preach on a dress code. Paul encouraged the women to be modest. Modesty is much more than just covering skin. It can even mean don’t wear anything too expensive or extravagant. No, best stay out of how women should dress. As we have seen… in all the years the fellowship has been in existence the women’s dress code hasn’t stopped immorality or sexual misconduct and abuse. Each person is responsible for their own self control. Generally the reason that men in religious organizations care about what women wear is because they are trying to blame the woman for their lustful thoughts. “If they wouldn’t do this, I wouldn’t do this.” Think about a celibate worker with no training for being celibate being in houses and seeing “todays fashions”. To me that’s what’s happening here. That’s why the thought is heavy enough on his mind to write the letter in a church without written rules. The timing of Lyle’s recent letter about CSA also instructs families to tell their children about appropriate touching and behavior that the children should have around the workers. While these are good pieces of advice for children to be able to protect themselves, it kind of feels like some of the blame is being passed again. Yeah....I thought the same thing when I read, "behavior the children should have around workers". Children have a right to just be children! Especially in their own home. A sick serious CSA offender will try to find a way to offend regardless of how the child behaves. Good grief. I think there is still a bit of denial going on here.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 1, 2023 15:05:44 GMT -5
It’s kinda like this. People in some professions deal with naked bodies all the time, yet they manage to do their jobs without being inappropriate. How do they do it? Partly, they compartmentalize their thinking and concentrate on the task they need to accomplish. Now, Drs and nurses, and nurses aides have gotten in trouble for sexual misconduct and abuse. When they do this they can lose their licenses or have them suspended and possibly lose their livelihoods. Who regulates all that? The state authority. Shouldn’t all clergy be held to the highest standards as well in conduct? The problem with the truth is they dodge it by saying they are not a church. But they are a church, aren’t they?
Part of being transparent is having everything above board, imo. So if it were to be scrutinized it would hold up. Or, so it could actually BE scrutinized. The way it is now there’s too much room to hide things.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 15:18:23 GMT -5
I find it interesting that Lyle used the example of a dress code for a prison to substantiate a proper dress code in church. Prison is not church… at least one would hope not….. unless that’s how he wants people to think of themselves: prisoners who can’t control themselves? No, just no. Jesus didn’t preach on a dress code. Paul encouraged the women to be modest. Modesty is much more than just covering skin. It can even mean don’t wear anything too expensive or extravagant. No, best stay out of how women should dress. As we have seen… in all the years the fellowship has been in existence the women’s dress code hasn’t stopped immorality or sexual misconduct and abuse. Each person is responsible for their own self control. It made me remember Paul saying he was a prisoner of Christ...
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Post by Grant on May 1, 2023 15:27:44 GMT -5
I find it interesting that Lyle used the example of a dress code for a prison to substantiate a proper dress code in church. Prison is not church… at least one would hope not….. unless that’s how he wants people to think of themselves: prisoners who can’t control themselves? No, just no. Jesus didn’t preach on a dress code. Paul encouraged the women to be modest. Modesty is much more than just covering skin. It can even mean don’t wear anything too expensive or extravagant. No, best stay out of how women should dress. As we have seen… in all the years the fellowship has been in existence the women’s dress code hasn’t stopped immorality or sexual misconduct and abuse. Each person is responsible for their own self control. It made me remember Paul saying he was a prisoner of Christ... A prisoner of Christ does not mean a prisoner of man made rules. A big difference.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 1, 2023 15:39:28 GMT -5
I find it interesting that Lyle used the example of a dress code for a prison to substantiate a proper dress code in church. Prison is not church… at least one would hope not….. unless that’s how he wants people to think of themselves: prisoners who can’t control themselves? No, just no. Jesus didn’t preach on a dress code. Paul encouraged the women to be modest. Modesty is much more than just covering skin. It can even mean don’t wear anything too expensive or extravagant. No, best stay out of how women should dress. As we have seen… in all the years the fellowship has been in existence the women’s dress code hasn’t stopped immorality or sexual misconduct and abuse. Each person is responsible for their own self control. It made me remember Paul saying he was a prisoner of Christ... Different types of prisoners. I don’t equate Paul the Apostle with the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang or El Chapo. Lol!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 15:52:32 GMT -5
It made me remember Paul saying he was a prisoner of Christ... A prisoner of Christ does not mean a prisoner of man made rules. A big difference. Christ reiterated several rules, those should be followed. Along with the new commandment.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 15:53:07 GMT -5
It made me remember Paul saying he was a prisoner of Christ... Different types of prisoners. I don’t equate Paul the Apostle with the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang or El Chapo. Lol! Some on here actually do!
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Post by peggysullivan on May 1, 2023 15:59:20 GMT -5
Okay, maybe I should not have brought up the whole dress code thing. But, as a woman, I tend to dress modestly and I don’t need anyone to tell me how to dress. It really shouldn’t be an issue. But, I have a feeling it was an issue that Lyle needed to address. I can see how it might be a distraction for some of the people. I am a woman and I really don’t care how other women dress, or men for that matter. It’s not an issue for me, so I have a hard time understanding it. My stance is that when too much emphasis is placed on outward appearances, it can detract from spiritual growth.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 1, 2023 16:01:04 GMT -5
Different types of prisoners. I don’t equate Paul the Apostle with the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang or El Chapo. Lol! Some on here actually do! Really?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 16:03:53 GMT -5
Some on here actually do! Really? Yes, really... They all know who they are...
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