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Post by mdm on Apr 27, 2023 22:30:04 GMT -5
My question is this. Why are the workers driving this. It is like putting the fox in charge of the hen house. Many of them have shown that they are nothing more than wolves in sheeps clothing and yet it is still them calling the shots. Are the friends that lacking in gumption that they let this happen? The friends have no power unless they all band together and reject authority as a bloc. The older friends in my area are mostly oblivious, and if they do find out most will (a) not believe it and/or (b) be abhorred at the word "sexual" being spoken. So, change from below is difficult. In my area there are a lot of young educated friends, but they not willing to rock the boat either. Many, including older friends, know of SA in the fellowship. Their solution is to be on guard with the workers, as opposed to speak up and ask for accountability. |
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Post by verna on Apr 27, 2023 22:45:59 GMT -5
The friends have no power unless they all band together and reject authority as a bloc. The older friends in my area are mostly oblivious, and if they do find out most will (a) not believe it and/or (b) be abhorred at the word "sexual" being spoken. So, change from below is difficult. In my area there are a lot of young educated friends, but they not willing to rock the boat either. Many, including older friends, know of SA in the fellowship. Their solution is to be on guard with the workers, as opposed to speak up and ask for accountability. I’m just really annoyed that the Holy Spirit isn’t doing a better job at communicating the do’s and don’t’s. Perhaps that could be addressed at said meeting. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 27, 2023 22:49:44 GMT -5
I hear whispers of the exclusivity going away in the 2x2 way from friends in the way. Then, I read Lyle Schober’s email dated 3/28/2023 when addressing Dean Bruer and his double life. “As members of this ministry, we want to assure you of how much we love and care for you. We are heartbroken by the disgrace of human failure, but our faith in the Lord’s ministry is unchanged. This is the ministry that our Lord established in the earth. Human failure can compromise its testimony, but it cannot undermine its validity. Judas Iscariot was also a part of this ministry, but in the wake of his betrayal the Holy Spirit still impelled this same ministry forward.” wingsfortruth.info/2023/03/30/lyle-schober-letter-to-texas-friends-march-2023/I don’t know why this feels so wrong or why I am surprised but this is just so sad. I really can’t find the words. It’s like a PR stunt I share your concern. Preaching ministry and a kingdom managed by overseers is not working out well is it? They should try preaching Jesus, and the kingdom of God established in the heart. Anything more than that is idolatry. Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 28, 2023 0:01:11 GMT -5
Right now no one's impressed by what some of them do on their own will. There is a good catch, though. Provide them with a phone at your expense with a contract to have you inspect their phone history at regular intervals. That will keep you on your toes. Its kind of sad that we're discussing putting porn blockers on Workers phones and monitoring them. I doubt that plan will fly? Trying to protect Workers from temptation seems counterproductive, they are already sheltered to a degree from real world corruption. Treating them like children and checking their phones would be insulting. Besides, aren't they suppose to set the example and resist sin/temptation themselves?
I just think since they are adults, their phones are their business. Would Friends also have the authority to go through their suitcases and search for pornographic material? That's an invasion of privacy and I doubt any of them would agree to such personal searches. What's next, do we inspect their bags of merchandise every time they go to a drug store to make sure there's no condoms or Viagra in them.
I just think that if you need to install a porn blocker on all Workers phones because they are so weak that they can't resist filth or control their lust, then maybe they ought to find another line of work. They can't be searched like prisoners or monitored like babies. Trust is ultimately a necessity, but instituting some commonsense awareness, oversight, and rules need to be implemented.. jmo
Workers have gone through cupboards and drawers looking for stuff that professing people should not have. What's the diff. It cuts both ways. Kick the workers into touch. They are a waste of space in your religion. |
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Post by jonathan on Apr 28, 2023 0:32:37 GMT -5
My question is this. Why are the workers driving this. It is like putting the fox in charge of the hen house. Many of them have shown that they are nothing more than wolves in sheeps clothing and yet it is still them calling the shots. Are the friends that lacking in gumption that they let this happen? The friends have no power unless they all band together and reject authority as a bloc. The older friends in my area are mostly oblivious, and if they do find out most will (a) not believe it and/or (b) be abhorred at the word "sexual" being spoken. So, change from below is difficult. This is true, I agree. Change from within and especially from below is difficult. Awareness must be established. Could even take more than one generation to have real progress let alone achieve all we really desire to have. But we shouldn't be deterred. Onward soldiers! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 1:19:54 GMT -5
Right now no one's impressed by what some of them do on their own will. There is a good catch, though. Provide them with a phone at your expense with a contract to have you inspect their phone history at regular intervals. That will keep you on your toes. Its kind of sad that we're discussing putting porn blockers on Workers phones and monitoring them. I doubt that plan will fly? Trying to protect Workers from temptation seems counterproductive, they are already sheltered to a degree from real world corruption. Treating them like children and checking their phones would be insulting. Besides, aren't they suppose to set the example and resist sin/temptation themselves?
I just think since they are adults, their phones are their business. Would Friends also have the authority to go through their suitcases and search for pornographic material? That's an invasion of privacy and I doubt any of them would agree to such personal searches. What's next, do we inspect their bags of merchandise every time they go to a drug store to make sure there's no condoms or Viagra in them.
I just think that if you need to install a porn blocker on all Workers phones because they are so weak that they can't resist filth or control their lust, then maybe they ought to find another line of work. They can't be searched like prisoners or monitored like babies. Trust is ultimately a necessity, but instituting some commonsense awareness, oversight, and rules need to be implemented.. jmo
Good points...and anyone can say no if they want to surf with their password... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 1:20:26 GMT -5
In my area there are a lot of young educated friends, but they not willing to rock the boat either. Many, including older friends, know of SA in the fellowship. Their solution is to be on guard with the workers, as opposed to speak up and ask for accountability. I’m just really annoyed that the Holy Spirit isn’t doing a better job at communicating the do’s and don’t’s. Perhaps that could be addressed at said meeting. Satan is very busy... |
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Post by Annan on Apr 28, 2023 6:06:58 GMT -5
[Workers have gone through cupboards and drawers looking for stuff that professing people should not have. Kick the workers into touch. They are a waste of space in your religion. Reminds me of my parents hiding stuff so the workers wouldn't see. The TV was in my sister's and my bedroom and was in a cabinet with closed doors.  No reason for the workers to be in our bedroom. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 28, 2023 15:40:15 GMT -5
The friends have no power unless they all band together and reject authority as a bloc. The older friends in my area are mostly oblivious, and if they do find out most will (a) not believe it and/or (b) be abhorred at the word "sexual" being spoken. So, change from below is difficult. In my area there are a lot of young educated friends, but they not willing to rock the boat either. Many, including older friends, know of SA in the fellowship. Their solution is to be on guard with the workers, as opposed to speak up and ask for accountability. CSA is a crime that anyone can report, and because it involves a child or a domestic partner, the police must investigate and press charges if appropriate. But abuse AMONG workers is not a crime reportable by a third party in most situations. Adults are responsible for taking care of themselves, and their problem comes when they've been induced not to seek help for their situation. This happens all too often -- notoriously too often among the F&W. This is a trademark (and telltale sign) that a group is exercising cult-like control -- when someone owes a greater loyalty to the group than to their own welfare. It doesn't have to be that way. How do we know that? Because when someone has the guts to report a crime, and the law starts cleaning up -- you can hear workers saying it has a "cleansing effect". That means that the people in the house have not been diligent in keeping it clean. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 28, 2023 15:49:42 GMT -5
The friends have no power unless they all band together and reject authority as a bloc. The older friends in my area are mostly oblivious, and if they do find out most will (a) not believe it and/or (b) be abhorred at the word "sexual" being spoken. So, change from below is difficult. This is true, I agree. Change from within and especially from below is difficult. Awareness must be established. Could even take more than one generation to have real progress let alone achieve all we really desire to have. But we shouldn't be deterred. Onward soldiers! I have a thought in this respect. Sometimes people doing the right thing will be ostracized. Don't worry about that -- your conscience will be clean. The present sweep into the dark corners of the ministry started more than 2 decades ago, the ones to have taken the beating for encouraging it are the ones who have nothing to be ashamed of today. I guess that's called "sacrifice". |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 28, 2023 15:52:20 GMT -5
Its kind of sad that we're discussing putting porn blockers on Workers phones and monitoring them. I doubt that plan will fly? Trying to protect Workers from temptation seems counterproductive, they are already sheltered to a degree from real world corruption. Treating them like children and checking their phones would be insulting. Besides, aren't they suppose to set the example and resist sin/temptation themselves?
I just think since they are adults, their phones are their business. Would Friends also have the authority to go through their suitcases and search for pornographic material? That's an invasion of privacy and I doubt any of them would agree to such personal searches. What's next, do we inspect their bags of merchandise every time they go to a drug store to make sure there's no condoms or Viagra in them.
I just think that if you need to install a porn blocker on all Workers phones because they are so weak that they can't resist filth or control their lust, then maybe they ought to find another line of work. They can't be searched like prisoners or monitored like babies. Trust is ultimately a necessity, but instituting some commonsense awareness, oversight, and rules need to be implemented.. jmo
Good points...and anyone can say no if they want to surf with their password... Just say "no". A very wise worker once said, "I try to teach my companions to behave like guests when the go into people's homes." |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 28, 2023 15:57:09 GMT -5
I’m just really annoyed that the Holy Spirit isn’t doing a better job at communicating the do’s and don’t’s. Perhaps that could be addressed at said meeting. Satan is very busy... Can't you blame human nature and free will for a change? It wasn't Satan that gave human beings their pervasive sexual natures. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 28, 2023 16:00:46 GMT -5
[Workers have gone through cupboards and drawers looking for stuff that professing people should not have. Kick the workers into touch. They are a waste of space in your religion. Reminds me of my parents hiding stuff so the workers wouldn't see. The TV was in my sister's and my bedroom and was in a cabinet with closed doors. No reason for the workers to be in our bedroom. I always had a radio. That's how teachers are notified that there is a school closure for snow or any other reason. I had to keep it hidden -- but guess who all the friends could call when they needed to know whether to send their kids out or keep them home. |
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 28, 2023 17:03:58 GMT -5
Right now no one's impressed by what some of them do on their own will. There is a good catch, though. Provide them with a phone at your expense with a contract to have you inspect their phone history at regular intervals. That will keep you on your toes. Its kind of sad that we're discussing putting porn blockers on Workers phones and monitoring them. I doubt that plan will fly? Trying to protect Workers from temptation seems counterproductive, they are already sheltered to a degree from real world corruption. Treating them like children and checking their phones would be insulting. Besides, aren't they suppose to set the example and resist sin/temptation themselves?
I just think since they are adults, their phones are their business. Would Friends also have the authority to go through their suitcases and search for pornographic material? That's an invasion of privacy and I doubt any of them would agree to such personal searches. What's next, do we inspect their bags of merchandise every time they go to a drug store to make sure there's no condoms or Viagra in them.
I just think that if you need to install a porn blocker on all Workers phones because they are so weak that they can't resist filth or control their lust, then maybe they ought to find another line of work. They can't be searched like prisoners or monitored like babies. Trust is ultimately a necessity, but instituting some commonsense awareness, oversight, and rules need to be implemented.. jmo
Porn blockers are real tools used by adults to limit their temptation to watch pornography. If that’s not enough of a temptation stopper, the person probably has a real issue and shouldn’t be in a celibate ministry where the ministers stay in kids rooms and there is an unreported CSA problem. It’s the least they can do. Again no one is forcing them into the work, I’m not sure how this would be any additional burden than forcing them to wear shirts or dresses in meeting. |
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Post by snow on Apr 28, 2023 19:18:29 GMT -5
That, of course, is true. Of course it was promoted as preventing too much worldly influence on the friends, but it didn't really work that well. They should have promoted Amish-style colony living to accomplish that. I learned my first lesson about radio when I was in first grade. There was a radio program for grade schoolers that broadcast once a week for the teachers to tune into. The first day it happened I had a crying fit in the classroom because I wasn't supposed to be listening to the radio. After my teacher consulted with my mother, my mother explained to me that there was nothing wrong with listening to the radio. We just weren't supposed to listen to it in our own homes. I was a smart kid. You can guess what lesson I learned from that.  I spent nearly every late afternoon of elementary school at my friend's house watching TV shows and movies Lucky you! I wasn't allowed to have worldly friends until I was around 13 and I had to fight for the right even then. |
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Post by snow on Apr 28, 2023 19:22:10 GMT -5
My question is this. Why are the workers driving this. It is like putting the fox in charge of the hen house. Many of them have shown that they are nothing more than wolves in sheeps clothing and yet it is still them calling the shots. Are the friends that lacking in gumption that they let this happen? The friends have no power unless they all band together and reject authority as a bloc. The older friends in my area are mostly oblivious, and if they do find out most will (a) not believe it and/or (b) be abhorred at the word "sexual" being spoken. So, change from below is difficult. It's an uphill battle even when the friends band together. Look at what happened to the friends in Alberta that banded together and called out Willis Propp for what he was doing. They got excommunicated, the ones that didn't have the courage to leave and support those friends were told they could no longer have contact with them, have them in their meetings etc. So unless a majority of the friends do band together this time, it's likely just going to end the same way. More people getting excommunicated and some people just leaving on their own. |
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Post by neighbour on Apr 28, 2023 19:25:02 GMT -5
I spent nearly every late afternoon of elementary school at my friend's house watching TV shows and movies Lucky you! I wasn't allowed to have worldly friends until I was around 13 and I had to fight for the right even then. My sympathies! I was the only boy my age within an hour's drive, so it was either worldly friends or no friends at all... |
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Post by snow on Apr 28, 2023 19:25:59 GMT -5
Right now no one's impressed by what some of them do on their own will. There is a good catch, though. Provide them with a phone at your expense with a contract to have you inspect their phone history at regular intervals. That will keep you on your toes. Its kind of sad that we're discussing putting porn blockers on Workers phones and monitoring them. I doubt that plan will fly? Trying to protect Workers from temptation seems counterproductive, they are already sheltered to a degree from real world corruption. Treating them like children and checking their phones would be insulting. Besides, aren't they suppose to set the example and resist sin/temptation themselves?
I just think since they are adults, their phones are their business. Would Friends also have the authority to go through their suitcases and search for pornographic material? That's an invasion of privacy and I doubt any of them would agree to such personal searches. What's next, do we inspect their bags of merchandise every time they go to a drug store to make sure there's no condoms or Viagra in them.
I just think that if you need to install a porn blocker on all Workers phones because they are so weak that they can't resist filth or control their lust, then maybe they ought to find another line of work. They can't be searched like prisoners or monitored like babies. Trust is ultimately a necessity, but instituting some commonsense awareness, oversight, and rules need to be implemented.. jmo
I agree with this, but we're talking about a group that tells their women that they have to make sure their dress and actions doesn't tempt the brother workers. So they are saying that the workers aren't responsible for monitoring their behavior and can't be blamed when a woman tempts them by not doing the right thing. |
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Post by neighbour on Apr 28, 2023 19:29:48 GMT -5
The friends have no power unless they all band together and reject authority as a bloc. The older friends in my area are mostly oblivious, and if they do find out most will (a) not believe it and/or (b) be abhorred at the word "sexual" being spoken. So, change from below is difficult. It's an uphill battle even when the friends band together. Look at what happened to the friends in Alberta that banded together and called out Willis Propp for what he was doing. They got excommunicated, the ones that didn't have the courage to leave and support those friends were told they could no longer have contact with them, have them in their meetings etc. So unless a majority of the friends do band together this time, it's likely just going to end the same way. More people getting excommunicated and some people just leaving on their own. If it's any consolation, good luck controlling communications these days! I (and many others) get the inside scoop from Facebook before it hits this board, from non-professing people I'm not even Facebook friends with Let alone the workers themselves having Signal and Snapchat groups...  |
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Post by snow on Apr 28, 2023 19:31:39 GMT -5
Its kind of sad that we're discussing putting porn blockers on Workers phones and monitoring them. I doubt that plan will fly? Trying to protect Workers from temptation seems counterproductive, they are already sheltered to a degree from real world corruption. Treating them like children and checking their phones would be insulting. Besides, aren't they suppose to set the example and resist sin/temptation themselves?
I just think since they are adults, their phones are their business. Would Friends also have the authority to go through their suitcases and search for pornographic material? That's an invasion of privacy and I doubt any of them would agree to such personal searches. What's next, do we inspect their bags of merchandise every time they go to a drug store to make sure there's no condoms or Viagra in them.
I just think that if you need to install a porn blocker on all Workers phones because they are so weak that they can't resist filth or control their lust, then maybe they ought to find another line of work. They can't be searched like prisoners or monitored like babies. Trust is ultimately a necessity, but instituting some commonsense awareness, oversight, and rules need to be implemented.. jmo
Workers have gone through cupboards and drawers looking for stuff that professing people should not have. What's the diff. It cuts both ways. Kick the workers into touch. They are a waste of space in your religion. I think that without the workers though that everything would just fall apart. Who would tell them what to do, guilt and shame them when they don't follow the rules that don't exist etc.  Once you realize that your salvation isn't based on professing the workers lose their hold over you and many just walk away. When the Alberta excommunications happened those who were excommunicated got together for bible studies for awhile, but that slowly just faded away. And, the thing is that there are good genuine workers that do take responsibility for their actions and genuinely want to be a role model to the friends. But the bad actors in the group are taking it down and that's going to be really hard on those who value the meetings in the homes system. |
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Post by snow on Apr 28, 2023 19:33:43 GMT -5
It's an uphill battle even when the friends band together. Look at what happened to the friends in Alberta that banded together and called out Willis Propp for what he was doing. They got excommunicated, the ones that didn't have the courage to leave and support those friends were told they could no longer have contact with them, have them in their meetings etc. So unless a majority of the friends do band together this time, it's likely just going to end the same way. More people getting excommunicated and some people just leaving on their own. If it's any consolation, good luck controlling communications these days! I (and many others) get the inside scoop from Facebook before it hits this board, from non-professing people I'm not even Facebook friends with Let alone the workers themselves having Signal and Snapchat groups... That's very true. This time it's really going to be hard to suppress what is going on. There are far more exes with family still in that know the system and let their family know things when they get the information. So that is different. It just might be enough?? |
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Post by neighbour on Apr 28, 2023 19:36:06 GMT -5
Workers have gone through cupboards and drawers looking for stuff that professing people should not have. What's the diff. It cuts both ways. Kick the workers into touch. They are a waste of space in your religion. I think that without the workers though that everything would just fall apart. Who would tell them what to do, guilt and shame them when they don't follow the rules that don't exist etc. Once you realize that your salvation isn't based on professing the workers lose their hold over you and many just walk away. When the Alberta excommunications happened those who were excommunicated got together for bible studies for awhile, but that slowly just faded away. And, the thing is that there are good genuine workers that do take responsibility for their actions and genuinely want to be a role model to the friends. But the bad actors in the group are taking it down and that's going to be really hard on those who value the meetings in the homes system. Without the workers it would definitely fall apart very quickly. It's the Truth's entire raison d'être. And TBH, that reality is seen as proof that the ministry is of God. |
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Post by snow on Apr 28, 2023 19:37:47 GMT -5
The friends have no power unless they all band together and reject authority as a bloc. The older friends in my area are mostly oblivious, and if they do find out most will (a) not believe it and/or (b) be abhorred at the word "sexual" being spoken. So, change from below is difficult. This is true, I agree. Change from within and especially from below is difficult. Awareness must be established. Could even take more than one generation to have real progress let alone achieve all we really desire to have. But we shouldn't be deterred. Onward soldiers! I guess my concern is who can make these changes. It seems it's the higher up the rung workers that are the ones doing most of the hiding of things, moving abusers around etc. and trying hard to silence things. The younger workers in many cases don't even know what's happening at the decision levels and from the last few letters from young workers it also appears that they aren't listen to a lot of the time either. How can changes happen if it's literally the ones with the power that are the problem? I do love your optimism and I wish you all the luck at making the changes that need to be done. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 20:42:12 GMT -5
Can't you blame human nature and free will for a change? It wasn't Satan that gave human beings their pervasive sexual natures. Umm he's behind it all. If it were not for him Adam and Eve would still be skipping around in the garden not knowing they were naked... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2023 20:43:43 GMT -5
I spent nearly every late afternoon of elementary school at my friend's house watching TV shows and movies Lucky you! I wasn't allowed to have worldly friends until I was around 13 and I had to fight for the right even then. Imagine being raised with TV for 11/12 years then completely cutoff with some odd rules.... |
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Post by snow on Apr 28, 2023 22:03:00 GMT -5
Lucky you! I wasn't allowed to have worldly friends until I was around 13 and I had to fight for the right even then. Imagine being raised with TV for 11/12 years then completely cutoff with some odd rules.... I can imagine that would be harder than what I experienced. I still remember how shocked I was when I learned that the F&W's were online and were allowed computers. When I left they were still breaking antennas off cars... |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 28, 2023 23:54:06 GMT -5
Workers have gone through cupboards and drawers looking for stuff that professing people should not have. What's the diff. It cuts both ways. Kick the workers into touch. They are a waste of space in your religion. I think that without the workers though that everything would just fall apart. Who would tell them what to do, guilt and shame them when they don't follow the rules that don't exist etc. Once you realize that your salvation isn't based on professing the workers lose their hold over you and many just walk away. When the Alberta excommunications happened those who were excommunicated got together for bible studies for awhile, but that slowly just faded away. And, the thing is that there are good genuine workers that do take responsibility for their actions and genuinely want to be a role model to the friends. But the bad actors in the group are taking it down and that's going to be really hard on those who value the meetings in the homes system. It all comes back to what they believe. Everything else such as criminal workers or hair in buns is secondary. If people did their homework and seriously asked themselves whether the belief in a god could be supported by factual evidence of a god then that would be progress. |
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Post by Dan on Apr 29, 2023 1:44:02 GMT -5
Its kind of sad that we're discussing putting porn blockers on Workers phones and monitoring them. I doubt that plan will fly? Trying to protect Workers from temptation seems counterproductive, they are already sheltered to a degree from real world corruption. Treating them like children and checking their phones would be insulting. Besides, aren't they suppose to set the example and resist sin/temptation themselves?
I just think since they are adults, their phones are their business. Would Friends also have the authority to go through their suitcases and search for pornographic material? That's an invasion of privacy and I doubt any of them would agree to such personal searches. What's next, do we inspect their bags of merchandise every time they go to a drug store to make sure there's no condoms or Viagra in them.
I just think that if you need to install a porn blocker on all Workers phones because they are so weak that they can't resist filth or control their lust, then maybe they ought to find another line of work. They can't be searched like prisoners or monitored like babies. Trust is ultimately a necessity, but instituting some commonsense awareness, oversight, and rules need to be implemented.. jmo
Porn blockers are real tools used by adults to limit their temptation to watch pornography. If that’s not enough of a temptation stopper, the person probably has a real issue and shouldn’t be in a celibate ministry where the ministers stay in kids rooms and there is an unreported CSA problem. It’s the least they can do. Again no one is forcing them into the work, I’m not sure how this would be any additional burden than forcing them to wear shirts or dresses in meeting.
Most people use it for their children, to block adult content. Workers aren't children, so I don't think its the congregations responsibility to protect their ministers from negative influences. That almost sounds like role reversal. Temptation is everywhere, its everyone's individual responsibility to resist turning to smut.
I would feel very uncomfortable asking a Worker for their phone so that I could check-up on them to make sure they aren't accessing anything I feel is sinful. If I insisted on checking my sisters (worker) phone for that reason, she'd probably shove her phone where the sun don't shine  . I just think it would be very degrading to treat Workers like irresponsible babies. Even the police need a warrant to search the contents of a personal device.
If Workers wanted to use a blocker themselves, that would be their personal decision. Otherwise, its like closing all the bars and taverns so that a Worker with a potential drinking problem can't be tempted. We can't hide them from every negative influence, they must have the self-discipline to resist temptation themselves. jmo
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No reason for the workers to be in our bedroom. 
Once you realize that your salvation isn't based on professing the workers lose their hold over you and many just walk away. When the Alberta excommunications happened those who were excommunicated got together for bible studies for awhile, but that slowly just faded away. And, the thing is that there are good genuine workers that do take responsibility for their actions and genuinely want to be a role model to the friends. But the bad actors in the group are taking it down and that's going to be really hard on those who value the meetings in the homes system.
. I just think it would be very degrading to treat Workers like irresponsible babies. Even the police need a warrant to search the contents of a personal device.