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Post by ellie on May 8, 2015 7:21:54 GMT -5
The question is one of cause and effect. Are certain personality types drawn to sects like the F&W because of the all encompassing feeling members are subjected to or did themental health issues develop because of the environment? While certain environmental stress factors can trigger problems in a person who is susceptible to mental illness it is rarely the sole cause.When I read this I read "mental health issues develop" (I can't see anywhere where the probability of development is specified). Are developing mental health issues environmental or personality type? Am I interpreting you incorrectly? (I have a problem with suggesting personality types are causal or partially casual in the development of mental health issues).. I would have used personality disorder if belonging to a religious sect was considered a personality disorder Perhaps you could explain why you think it would be a disorder to join a sect. Can I please have an explanation as to how you came to this conclusion about what I think? If you want to expand on what would have to happen while the person was a member of a sect for it to become a disorder it might be an interesting discussion.
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Post by rational on May 8, 2015 8:52:39 GMT -5
The question is one of cause and effect. Are certain personality types drawn to sects like the F&W because of the all encompassing feeling members are subjected to or did themental health issues develop because of the environment? While certain environmental stress factors can trigger problems in a person who is susceptible to mental illness it is rarely the sole cause.When I read this I read "mental health issues develop" (I can't see anywhere where the probability of development is specified). Are developing mental health issues environmental or personality type? Am I interpreting you incorrectly? (I have a problem with suggesting personality types are causal or partially casual in the development of mental health issues).. I don't think I said that but I can see your line of thinking. Certain personality types are drawn more than others to sects like the F&W. And some personality types are linked to forms of mental illness. For example, introverts, creative people, and perfectionists are have a high representation in the depression population. Other personality types are more prone to other types of disorders. As I stated, environmental stress factors can trigger problems in a person who is susceptible to mental illness it is rarely the sole cause. An introverted person joins a sect and for a time is the center of everyone's attention and affection. But, being an introverted person they may not respond as 'hardily' as expected and soon feels neglected and alone in a sect that discourages seeking outside friendships, That creates emotional stress that could trigger depression and perhaps other problems. It increases the probability of problems showing up. Did the religion cause it? No. But the religion may well have been instrumental in setting up the environment that did provide the trigger. Of course, once things begin to spiral down there are all sorts of consequences. Is seeking outside help really encouraged? Could outside help fully understand the issues? I said that certain personality types were more drawn to some religious sects than others and you said: And in the original I would prefer to see the phrase personality disorders over personality types.led me to believe that you felt that certain personality disorders were drawn to sects like the F&W. Either way, certain types of people are drawn to different organizations and the end result is that the members often share more traits in common that the population in general.
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Post by ellie on May 11, 2015 6:43:31 GMT -5
When I read this I read "mental health issues develop" (I can't see anywhere where the probability of development is specified). Are developing mental health issues environmental or personality type? Am I interpreting you incorrectly? (I have a problem with suggesting personality types are causal or partially casual in the development of mental health issues).. I don't think I said that but I can see your line of thinking. You did not say that exactly. Certain personality types are drawn more than others to sects like the F&W. And some personality types are linked to forms of mental illness. This seems logical; however, have you seen any studies that support this assumption? For example, introverts, creative people, and perfectionists are have a high representation in the depression population. Other personality types are more prone to other types of disorders. As I stated, environmental stress factors can trigger problems in a person who is susceptible to mental illness it is rarely the sole cause. Agree some types of mental illness have a higher incidence rate among certain personality types. I see that as a correlation. An introverted person joins a sect and for a time is the center of everyone's attention and affection. But, being an introverted person they may not respond as 'hardily' as expected I can't see the connection between 'hardily' and introversion extroversion. and soon feels neglected and alone in a sect that discourages seeking outside friendships, That creates emotional stress that could trigger depression and perhaps other problems. It increases the probability of problems showing up. Did the religion cause it? No. But the religion may well have been instrumental in setting up the environment that did provide the trigger. Of course, once things begin to spiral down there are all sorts of consequences. Is seeking outside help really encouraged? Could outside help fully understand the issues? Personally I am not seeing that the fellowship currently holds a position against seeking outside help for mental health problems. I cannot comment on how well the outside help would understand. Can I please have an explanation as to how you came to this conclusion about what I think? I said that certain personality types were more drawn to some religious sects than others and you said: And in the original I would prefer to see the phrase personality disorders over personality types.led me to believe that you felt that certain personality disorders were drawn to sects like the F&W. I cannot comment one way or the other. I think this might be an interesting area to research. Either way, certain types of people are drawn to different organizations and the end result is that the members often share more traits in common that the population in general.
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Post by rational on May 11, 2015 7:02:50 GMT -5
Certain personality types are drawn more than others to sects like the F&W. And some personality types are linked to forms of mental illness. This seems logical; however, have you seen any studies that support this assumption? I did post one reference: jeksite.org/integrate/spiritualview.htmI meant they might not respond to the social interaction as fully as some others and as a result over time they would socialize less and less and end up feeling more isolated than they had prior to joining. On another point (that I deleted) perhaps seeking outside help for emotional/psychological help does not have the stigma it once did.
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Post by ellie on May 13, 2015 6:34:53 GMT -5
This seems logical; however, have you seen any studies that support this assumption? I did post one reference: jeksite.org/integrate/spiritualview.htmI meant they might not respond to the social interaction as fully as some others and as a result over time they would socialize less and less and end up feeling more isolated than they had prior to joining. On another point (that I deleted) perhaps seeking outside help for emotional/psychological help does not have the stigma it once did. Thanks. I did see this. I was hoping that there was something publicly available that is more specific to sect membership.
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Post by magpie on May 13, 2015 20:59:40 GMT -5
Hi again Rationale,"YES" to 8th May, and such demanded bondage both visual and mind control can lead to mental illness also.
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Post by rational on May 13, 2015 21:51:44 GMT -5
Hi again Rationale,"YES" to 8th May, and such demanded bondage both visual and mind control can lead to mental illness also. I have no idea of what you are saying "YES". Do you have anything other than repetition to support your claim that visual and mind control can lead to mental illness?
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Post by magpie on May 14, 2015 2:07:11 GMT -5
Me again Rationale...God grabbed my arrogent neck and said if you are serious in serving me PROVE IT (sort of like that)I (we) were taken out of our comfort zone bought a property and eventually we had 26 residents in our care (no government assistance,just us,Conservative Governments knew if we succeeded we can care for all these,but left wing (Australia) put so many restrictions and over legislated it was so hard("we were just one of those rip off businesses,was hard).Now our clients were Psychiatric/mental health (schiziphrenia,Bi-polar,dementure,intellectual disabilities,some duel psych/intell mix,hardest to look after as lefties would say not our dept/not our dept . Made it hard. Now a conservative old 2x2 said to us it was sinful for us to work 7 days a week,yet 2x2 farmers milked their cows 7x days a week.now 25 years what did we learn Child sexual abuse, drugs (why),rejection,religious sect/cult control. (We had one pretty girl who when a particular add came on TV she would run and dress in childs clothes grab her gollywog and out the door(no you cant lawfully restrain her)this signal was so powerfull.Why? We tracked it to a cult and their control of her mind. When she returned in a couple of days she was her own self again.Many threats on our lives,extreme drug cases we were unable to handle they are more one on one. WE faced many attempts on our lives,Left wingers would explain take them into a quiet room and explain that this is unacceptable behaviour.Our response?. The sadest cases even in older adults,some were suicidal,some habitual cutters,our youngest found one 48yr old at his door demanding an ambulance as she had smashed a little disposable razor and was de- bowelling herself.Yes many from CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSE THAT WENT TO THE PERPETRATORS GRAVE----as xxxxx and Ernie Barry's victims are and will experience. UNLESS A NATIONAL ALL MEDIA CONFESSION IS MADE IT WILL ALSO BE BEFORE GOD. YEP Rationale,some a bit of experience our longest holiday in a 21 year spell was 5x days (I retired at 70). Regards.
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Post by rational on May 14, 2015 6:24:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the update. Sounds like you have also seen what a very small amount of the right chemical can do to the soundest of minds. Sounds like you have helped a lot of people. Me again Rationale...God grabbed my arrogent neck and said if you are serious in serving me PROVE IT (sort of like that)I (we) were taken out of our comfort zone bought a property and eventually we had 26 residents in our care (no government assistance,just us,Conservative Governments knew if we succeeded we can care for all these,but left wing (Australia) put so many restrictions and over legislated it was so hard("we were just one of those rip off businesses,was hard).Now our clients were Psychiatric/mental health (schiziphrenia,Bi-polar,dementure,intellectual disabilities,some duel psych/intell mix,hardest to look after as lefties would say not our dept/not our dept . Made it hard. Now a conservative old 2x2 said to us it was sinful for us to work 7 days a week,yet 2x2 farmers milked their cows 7x days a week.now 25 years what did we learn Child sexual abuse, drugs (why),rejection,religious sect/cult control. (We had one pretty girl who when a particular add came on TV she would run and dress in childs clothes grab her gollywog and out the door(no you cant lawfully restrain her)this signal was so powerfull.Why? We tracked it to a cult and their control of her mind. When she returned in a couple of days she was her own self again.Many threats on our lives,extreme drug cases we were unable to handle they are more one on one. WE faced many attempts on our lives,Left wingers would explain take them into a quiet room and explain that this is unacceptable behaviour.Our response?. The sadest cases even in older adults,some were suicidal,some habitual cutters,our youngest found one 48yr old at his door demanding an ambulance as she had smashed a little disposable razor and was de- bowelling herself.Yes many from CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSE THAT WENT TO THE PERPETRATORS GRAVE----as xxxxx and Ernie Barry's victims are and will experience. UNLESS A NATIONAL ALL MEDIA CONFESSION IS MADE IT WILL ALSO BE BEFORE GOD. YEP Rationale,some a bit of experience our longest holiday in a 21 year spell was 5x days (I retired at 70). Regards.
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Post by xna on May 14, 2015 12:20:36 GMT -5
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