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[dmmichgood]

Apr 8, 2014 13:56:56 GMT -5 @humdidee said:

Apr 7, 2014 14:28:36 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

How do you just "borrow" wood if you are going to "burn" it?

I can see how you could return the ashes, but what about the smoke? Can you somehow corral the smoke and return it?

What about any interest on the "borrowed " wood?

How do you figure out how much interest that you owe in addition to the wood that you need to pay back?

Or maybe you just put it in the fireplace and imagine it burning & imagine the warmth coming from the supposed burning wood?

Then I suppose you would only be charged for the "time" that you had the wood.

It seems to me that there are a lot of problems in "borrowing" wood.

Now that it is going to take my whole day trying to figure that one out, I am leaving for the time being.

DMmichgood,

My seven measly words created a 140 word response from you!  ha! Ha!   

Tell you what, let's  make a deal.  this seems to disturb you more than Rat, so I'll let you pay for the wood.  

Thanks, but I really don't want to "borrow "wood!

I want to own it so I can burn it!

[dmmichgood]

Apr 8, 2014 17:39:48 GMT -5 @humdidee said:

Apr 8, 2014 15:18:37 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

Thanks, but I really don't want to "borrow "wood!

I want to own it so I can burn it!

Dmmichgood,

Wow, you are so generous!  You buy the wood, and I'll borrow it from you!  

I see your age from your profile, and you are as sharp as a tack!  

HD

Thank you.

I know in your reference to my age you meant your remark as a compliment, however, really my age has nothing to do with it.

I don't think that people would refer that same way to someone like Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, (age 81)) who is only one year younger than myself.

I am glad that dementia hasn't hit me yet.

[rational]

Apr 9, 2014 14:19:52 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

I am glad that dementia hasn't hit me yet.

I read that one side effect of dementia is that the dementia is hidden from the people who have dementia!

[matisse]

Apr 9, 2014 14:52:54 GMT -5 rational said:

Apr 9, 2014 14:19:52 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

I am glad that dementia hasn't hit me yet.

I read that one side effect of dementia is that the dementia is hidden from the people who have dementia!

Hmmmmm....interesting, this coming from you...

[faune]

Apr 5, 2014 22:21:48 GMT -5 BobWilliston said:

Apr 5, 2014 22:03:45 GMT -5 @wally said:

i don't think a minor(12 or 13) can be sued for libel can they? in any event for whatever reason my friend chose not to pursue the matter...it was CSA he was accused of...

Parents of delinquents get sued all the time. Believe me, in the last 5 years I was teaching half of the students' parents had been sued because of things their kids did.

Bob ~ No doubt skipping school was at the top of the list?   Parents get blamed for their kids truancy even when they have little control over it when they are at work themselves.  I know a few mothers who found themselves in this position and were brought to Court and fined because of their teenagers' shenanigans in skipping class and not showing up, although they gave the impression to the parents that they were going to school.  A number of detention slips usually show up in this scenario along with failing grades at the end of the term.  No doubt you saw a lot of this stuff working as a teacher within an alternative school setting?  It's not always bad parenting that results in such things ~ but usually involves rebellious teens who had other places they preferred to be other than in school as required. 

[BobWilliston]

Apr 9, 2014 16:26:50 GMT -5 faune said:

Apr 5, 2014 22:21:48 GMT -5 BobWilliston said:

Parents of delinquents get sued all the time. Believe me, in the last 5 years I was teaching half of the students' parents had been sued because of things their kids did.

Bob ~ No doubt skipping school was at the top of the list?   Parents get blamed for their kids truancy even when they have little control over it when they are at work themselves.  I know a few mothers who found themselves in this position and were brought to Court and fined because of their teenagers shenanigans in skipping class and not showing up, although they gave the impression to the parents that they were going to school.  A number of detention slips usually show up in this scenario along with failing grades.

That's in a normal school. Parents of some of my students got sued for battery, arson, theft, vandalism, failure to secure firearms ... you name it. I could write a book about that place.

[faune]

Apr 9, 2014 15:02:56 GMT -5 matisse said:

Apr 9, 2014 14:52:54 GMT -5 rational said:

I read that one side effect of dementia is that the dementia is hidden from the people who have dementia!

Hmmmmm....interesting, this coming from you...

Rational ~ Your remark reminds me of what Ron Reagan revealed in his father's memoir about his Dad, the President, which caught a lot of flack from the press and his own family.  While Ronald Reagan was running for re-election against Walter Mondale in 1984, his son commented that he felt his Dad was suffering from the early signs of Alzheimers towards the end of his first term in office by his responses in debates.  Below is the article that goes into more detail along these lines.  Also, it was said that advisors close to the President noticed these tell-tale signs as well.  Perhaps that's why his Administration was micro-managed more by his staffers on his behalf?  He was also rumored to have dosed off to sleep in his Cabinet meetings, too, when his Cabinet members were giving him the daily reports.  Who knows, perhaps he had narcolepsy as a result of sleep apnea, and it didn't take much to put him into "La-La Land" at his advancing age while sitting in meetings and listening to others speak?   Also, when reporters reminded him of something he had said in the past and asked for further detail, he often responded, "I don't remember?" Perhaps he's best remembered for Star Wars, Reaganomics, and his remark about taking down the Berlin Wall (which occurred after he had left office in November 1989)?  When this article was written back in 2011, he had just turned 100 years old on February 7, 2011, two months before this article appeared in the papers. He would be 103 years old today.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan  

After delivering a rousing speech in support of Barry Goldwater's presidential candidacy in 1964, he was persuaded to seek the California governorship, winning two years later and again in 1970. He was defeated in his run for the Republican presidential nomination in 1968 and in 1976, but won both the nomination and general election in 1980, defeating incumbent Jimmy Carter.[1]

As president, Reagan implemented sweeping new political and economic initiatives. His supply-side economic policies, dubbed "Reaganomics", advocated reducing tax rates to spur economic growth, controlling the money supply to reduce inflation, deregulation of the economy, and reducing government spending. In his first term he survived an assassination attempt, took a hard line against labor unions, announced a new War on Drugs, and ordered an invasion of Grenada. He was re-elected in a landslide in 1984, proclaiming that it was "Morning in America". His second term was primarily marked by foreign matters, such as the ending of the Cold War, the 1986 bombing of Libya, and the revelation of the Iran–Contra affair. Publicly describing the Soviet Union as an "evil empire",[2] he supported anti-communist movements worldwide and spent his first term forgoing the strategy of détente by ordering a massive military buildup in an arms race with the USSR. Reagan negotiated with Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev, culminating in the INF Treaty and the decrease of both countries' nuclear arsenals.

Reagan left office in 1989. In 1994, the former president disclosed that he had been diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease earlier in the year; he died ten years later at the age of 93. A conservative icon, he ranks highly in public opinion polls of U.S. Presidents and is credited for generating an ideological renaissance on the American political right

voices.washingtonpost.com/political-bookworm/2011/01/president_reagan_suffered_from.html  

Posted at 3:03 PM ET, 01/14/2011

President Reagan suffered from Alzheimer's while in office, according to his son Ron Reagan.

By Stephen Lowman 
 

Ronald Reagan was showing signs of Alzheimer’s while still in office, according to his son Ron Reagan.

In his memoir “My Father at 100,” Reagan writes:

“Today we are aware that the psychological and neurological changes associated with Alzheimer’s can be in evidence years, even decades, before identifiable symptoms arise. The question, then, of whether my father suffered from the beginning stages of Alzheimer’s while in office more of less answers itself.”

Ron Reagan recounts having concerns as far back as 1984.

"Watching the first of his two debates with 1984 Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale, I began to experience the nausea of a bad dream coming true. At 73, Ronald Reagan would be the oldest president ever reelected...My father now seemed to be giving them legitimate reason for concern. My heart sank as he floundered his way through his responses, fumbling with notes, uncharacteristically lost for words. He looked tired and bewildered."

Two years later the president expressed his own concern about his failing memory:

“My father might himself have suspected that all was not as it should be. As far back as August 1986 he had been alarmed to discover, while flying over the familiar canyons north of Los Angeles, that he could no longer summon their names.”

Ron Reagan writes that there is “no evidence that my father (or anyone else) was aware of his medical condition while he was in office.”

“Had the diagnosis been made in, say, 1987, would he have stepped down? I believe he would have.”

In 1994, President Reagan revealed to the nation that he had been diagnosed with Alzheimer’s. But earlier, in 1989, doctors operating on Reagan expressed their belief he was suffering from the degenerative disease.

Ron Reagan writes that in July 1989, his father was thrown off a horse while visiting friends in Mexico. He received medical attention at a hospital in San Diego. When surgeons opened the president’s skull to relieve pressure they “detected what they took to be probable signs of Alzheimer’s disease.” But no formal diagnosis was given.

Ron Reagan says the doctors gossiped about the likelihood his father was suffering from Alzheimer's.

“I have since learned from a doctor who happened to be interning at the hospital when my father was brought in that surgeons involved in his care, in what my informant characterized as ‘shameful’ behavior, violated my father’s right to medical privacy by subsequently gossiping about his condition.”

President Reagan was taken to the Mayo Clinic the following year, where it was confirmed he was suffering from the disease. He died at the age of 93 in 2004. This year marks the 100th anniversary of his birth.

 

[faune]

Apr 9, 2014 16:32:46 GMT -5 BobWilliston said:

Apr 9, 2014 16:26:50 GMT -5 faune said:

Bob ~ No doubt skipping school was at the top of the list?   Parents get blamed for their kids truancy even when they have little control over it when they are at work themselves.  I know a few mothers who found themselves in this position and were brought to Court and fined because of their teenagers' shenanigans in skipping class and not showing up, although they gave the impression to the parents that they were going to school.  A number of detention slips usually show up in this scenario along with failing grades.

That's in a normal school. Parents of some of my students got sued for battery, arson, theft, vandalism, failure to secure firearms ... you name it. I could write a book about that place.

Bob ~ I know, truancy is a common occurrence in high school and reason for detention.  However, in the alternative schools, I can see how you would deal with more cases of battery, arson, theft, vandalism, firearms, and cases of neglect.  That must have been a hard bunch to deal with over the years?  You have what they call "true grit" when it comes to teaching, IMHO?  I bet you were a cool teacher  and well liked by your kids, too?  Anybody working in such a troubled school environment need nerves of steel and a big heart for troubled youth.   However, that probably could go along with some regular public schools these days, considering all the violence we have seen reported in the news in recent years on school campuses?  I will never forget that horrible shooting in Newtown, CT, at the elementary school in a quiet little town known for being a "safe place" to live.   It just takes one "nut case" to cause all hell to break loose and leave unbelievable tragedy in its wake.  At Newtown, it was 8 and 9 year old kids and some teachers who were trying to protect their students from harm and got killed themselves.  That kid had to be really mad at the world to do in his own mother and all those children.  I wondered if the mother didn't have all those guns available in her house, would he have committed such a horrific crime before taking his own life?

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Apr 9, 2014 18:14:31 GMT -5 faune said:

Apr 9, 2014 16:32:46 GMT -5 BobWilliston said:

That's in a normal school. Parents of some of my students got sued for battery, arson, theft, vandalism, failure to secure firearms ... you name it. I could write a book about that place.

  I wondered if the mother didn't have all those guns available in her house, would he have committed such a horrific crime before taking his own life?  

we'll never know he could have gone on a knife attack like the one yesterday...

[faune]

Apr 9, 2014 18:34:14 GMT -5 @wally said:

Apr 9, 2014 18:14:31 GMT -5 faune said:

  I wondered if the mother didn't have all those guns available in her house, would he have committed such a horrific crime before taking his own life?  

we'll never know he could have gone on a knife attack like the one yesterday...

Wally ~ I missed that news story.  Can you fill me in? 

Also, at least with the knife, perhaps some of the teachers or security could have wrestled him to the ground and prevented any major bloodshed.  However, with a few automatic repeating rifles in the home, it wouldn't have taken long to wipe out the whole school, if he wasn't stopped?  Honestly, with a child with serious emotional problems, I can't understand why these guns were not under lock and key, if kept in the home?  Personally, I had a mentally ill child living in my house, the last thing I would want available to them would be automatic repeating rifles ~ or any guns in such a case!   As it was, he left around 28 dead in a matter of minutes, most of them young children, ranging in age from 7 to 8 yrs. old in 2nd or 3rd grade.    If something like that occurring doesn't  raise gun awareness, I don't what would?   I heard that right after this happened, people went out in Connecticut and all over the country and purchased even more guns, in case sanctions were put in place by Obama along with stiffer gun controls?   Tennessee, where I live, had record gun sales after that incident and gun stores could keep up with the demand right in the heart of the Bible Belt.   How crazy is that for a response to such a terrible disaster in our time?

I came from Connecticut before moving South and had friends in that town who had children in school. I couldn't help wondering if any of their own kids were affected by this madman's shooting spree at this elementary school?  I was glad to find out that their children were older and not affected by this shooting, being enrolled at another school.  However, my heartfelt sympathy went out to those poor parents who were dealing with the after effects of such a mass shooting in that town at an elementary school.   What was ironic was that Newtown had just been rated that year one of the safest towns in Connecticut to live because of its affluence and peaceful environment. Just goes to show that it doesn't take much to set off a turn of events that affect many lives over a very short period of time ~ even minutes in this case!

[Deleted]

Apr 9, 2014 19:49:56 GMT -5 faune said:

Apr 9, 2014 18:34:14 GMT -5 @wally said:

we'll never know he could have gone on a knife attack like the one yesterday...

Wally ~ I missed that news story.  Can you fill me in? 

Also, at least with the knife, perhaps some of the teachers or security could have wrestled him to the ground and prevented any major bloodshed.  However, with a few automatic repeating rifles in the home, it wouldn't have taken long to wipe out the whole school, if he wasn't stopped?  Honestly, with a child with serious emotional problems, I can't understand why these guns were not under lock and key, if kept in the home?  Personally, I had a mentally ill child living in my house, the last thing I would want available to them would be automatic repeating rifles ~ or any guns in such a case!   As it was, he left around 28 dead in a matter of minutes, most of them young children, ranging in age from 7 to 8 yrs. old in 2nd or 3rd grade.    If something like that occurring doesn't  raise gun awareness, I don't what would?   I heard that right after this happened, people went out in Connecticut and all over the country and purchased even more guns, in case sanctions were put in place by Obama along with stiffer gun controls?   Tennessee, where I live, had record gun sales after that incident and gun stores could keep up with the demand right in the heart of the Bible Belt.   How crazy is that for a response to such a terrible disaster in our time?

I came from Connecticut before moving South and had friends in that town who had children in school. I couldn't help wondering if any of their own kids were affected by this madman's shooting spree at this elementary school?  I was glad to find out that their children were older and not affected by this shooting, being enrolled at another school.  However, my heartfelt sympathy went out to those poor parents who were dealing with the after effects of such a mass shooting in that town at an elementary school.   What was ironic was that Newtown had just been rated that year one of the safest towns in Connecticut to live because of its affluence and peaceful environment. Just goes to show that it doesn't take much to set off a turn of events that affect many lives over a very short period of time ~ even minutes in this case!

www.worldmag.com/2014/04/high_school_student_injures_20_classmates_in_mass_stabbing              my mistake on the timeline though it was early this morning

and recently in china there have been a number of knife attacks with multiple deaths...

[dmmichgood]

Apr 9, 2014 14:52:54 GMT -5 rational said:

Apr 9, 2014 14:19:52 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

I am glad that dementia hasn't hit me yet.

I read that one side effect of dementia is that the dementia is hidden from the people who have dementia!

Oh, please! rational, Are you trying to tell me that I have dementia and it is hidden from me!

I think that the further the condition of dementia progresses, the less aware you are that you have dementia- which is probably a good thing.

At the beginning, my mother was aware that something was wrong. She would go through an episode of something she thought was happening and the next day would realize it couldn't have been true (In this case believing she had seen her grandmother but realizing her grandmother had been dead many years.)

It must be horrible to recognize that it  is happening to you and there isn't much that you can do about it.

I've always hoped I can realize it in time so I can leave this life on my own terms and at the time I choose.

[snow]

Apr 9, 2014 14:52:54 GMT -5 rational said:

Apr 9, 2014 14:19:52 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

I am glad that dementia hasn't hit me yet.

I read that one side effect of dementia is that the dementia is hidden from the people who have dementia!

Wouldn't that make all of us demented then? Only difference is I know I am... lol

[faune]

Apr 9, 2014 23:15:55 GMT -5 snow said:

Apr 9, 2014 14:52:54 GMT -5 rational said:

I read that one side effect of dementia is that the dementia is hidden from the people who have dementia!

Wouldn't that make all of us demented then? Only difference is I know I am... lol

Snow ~ I think if a person lives long enough, it will start to hit them eventually.  I'm glad my Mom and maternal Grandmother had sharp minds right up until they died at 84 and 90, respectively.  Hopefully, that fact holds out hope for me to avoid the cobwebs sitting in early?

[faune]

I just had to resurrect this old thread again to share an article I came across today in order to share its wisdom regarding the homosexual lifestyle.

www.aboyandhiscomputer.com/2240.html

[faune]

I just had to resurrect this old thread again to share an article I came across yesterday which deals with the  homosexual lifestyle.  I found this writer's views very perceptive and I just wanted to share it with those who contributed to this thread in the past.  The second article provides a number of sites you can check out to satisfy your curiosity and get some updated information regarding this controversial lifestyle.

www.aboyandhiscomputer.com/2240.html

www.happybychoice.com/   (Is homosexuality really a choice?)

"For the radicals, like the conservatives, homosexuality is definitely a choice. . . . They both react with disdain to those studies that seem to reflect a genetic source for homosexuality."
—Andrew Sullivan, "The Politics of Homosexuality," The New Republic, May 10, 1993

Andrew Sullivan doesn't claim to be a radical—he'd be sickened at the thought!—and he refuses to believe that anyone can choose to be happy. Yet as you can see from the quote above, he clearly acknowledges that those of us who consider ourselves "happy by choice" are true radicals. Whether the idea of happyness as a radical choice is familiar to you or brand new, you've come to the right place to find out more about it. This is happyByChoice.com—a radical gathering place for people who have chosen to be happy.

[faune]

I saw a news article this morning regarding Nate Bachus getting married to his gay partner in a recent wedding ceremony and remembered seeing him on Oprah in the past. Here's a video clip he did on one of her shows regarding "coming out" as a gay person and when he first knew he was gay ~ none other than at the age of 8 years old.   He tells about learning to cover-up his natural inclinations early in life to protect himself from criticism and being rejected by family and friends.   I just wanted to share this clip on this thread for the valid point it makes about gay is not a choice for many who go this route in their sexual orientation and it's only fair to take this into consideration when discussing this topic with others.   When you consider all the flack that gay people have to endure due to their natural predisposition, it's definitely not kind to treat them disrespectfully regardless of our religious views or personal opinions.  They have come a long ways in accepting themselves and being open about it, which is admirable in itself.  Just my thoughts!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Berkus

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSEiTf5svZM

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpiLpvm4dvw

[xna]

I did not expect this reaction in TX.

youtu.be/Zhl9MLno424

[matisse]

Jun 1, 2014 19:00:53 GMT -5 xna said:

I did not expect this reaction in TX.

youtu.be/Zhl9MLno424

I wouldn't have either.  Interesting, the different experience of the show in NY.

[emy]

Jun 1, 2014 19:13:04 GMT -5 matisse said:

Jun 1, 2014 19:00:53 GMT -5 xna said:

I did not expect this reaction in TX.

youtu.be/Zhl9MLno424

I wouldn't have either.  Interesting, the different experience of the show in NY.

I would tend to think the difference is not so much in attitude as in willing to "get involved."

[matisse]

Jun 1, 2014 19:58:07 GMT -5 emy said:

Jun 1, 2014 19:13:04 GMT -5 matisse said:

I wouldn't have either.  Interesting, the different experience of the show in NY.

I would tend to think the difference is not so much in attitude as in willing to "get involved."

I agree, especially in NYC.

[faune]

Jun 1, 2014 19:58:07 GMT -5 emy said:

Jun 1, 2014 19:13:04 GMT -5 matisse said:

I wouldn't have either.  Interesting, the different experience of the show in NY.

I would tend to think the difference is not so much in attitude as in willing to "get involved."

Emy ~ I would consider it very commendable on behalf of the people who got involved in Texas, since it's a state which allows you to deny service to patrons over homosexuality. Just goes to show that people have a moral compass and don't enjoy seeing others bullied regardless of their sexual preference or race!  I enjoy watching this show on TV myself entitled, "What Would You Do?"

Actually, the reaction in NYC didn't surprise me any, since non-involvement in a big city seems to be the status quo.   However, Down South, people do seem to care more about people's feelings than in the Big Apple and are not afraid to stand up against injustice.   That's definitely a plus in my book!  Both of those men who took a stand against such treatment were definitely southern gentlemen!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhl9MLno424&feature=youtu.be