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Post by xna on Apr 1, 2014 16:29:03 GMT -5
I think in this case the test should be are they discriminating against the people making the request or would the answer be the same to anyone making such a request. Good point. Constructing legal language to separate the two situations would be a challenge, though, huh? My take is; If the business provides critical goods or services, they should NOT be able to discriminate. In cases where goods or service are NOT critical and on a contract basis (a custom cake maker) they SHOULD be able to discriminate. I for one will not buy products for Hobby Lobby or Chic fl a, due to their corporate bigotry. It's my choice not to give them my business. It will be interesting to see how the hobby Lobby case now before the supreme court is decided. The corporation's line on a "moral" position. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 1, 2014 16:29:35 GMT -5
You shouldn't willfully live what Jesus taught is wrong! An ex worker, Charlie Davis spent a lot of time in our home. He is long dead now. The rumor was he was put out of the work for being gay. I don't know if that was true or not. He was a very nice man. I wish I was able then to do more to help him out after he was put out, but at the time I was living pay check to pay check. He lived in a small old trailer but had a very loving heart. I haven't professed for a long time, but I hope life has improved for those workers & ex- workers who are gay. Yet I fear not much has changed. It's sad how some people treat other's who are different by no choice of their own. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk I remember Charlie Davis. He was a genuine person. I don't think anyone doubted that he was put out of the work because his "feminine" side embarrassed some worker(s). But he possibly didn't commit any great sexual indiscretion or the QT would have had some varied versions of why he was kicked out. I doubt anyone would get the truth of the matter from the person who gave him the boot anyway. Workers can get treated the very same way even today. I have a brother who was kicked out of the work because (get this) he invited a single male very close family friend to join the family in the family room at my father's funeral. The overseer told my mother that "it looked like they were having a homosexual affair." The overseer did take some heat from some of my brother's former companions, but the overseer's "unction" triumphed. |
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Post by Gene on Apr 1, 2014 16:31:28 GMT -5
I think a swastika can be considered a form of hate speech, no? I agree with that. The swastika was an example. They should not have to create anything they do not wish to provide for customers when asked. So, Rats, you disagree with some aspects of anti-discrimination laws? (Bear with me, here. Just answer yes or no, and then Socrates will continue his questioning.) |
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Post by Gene on Apr 1, 2014 16:39:10 GMT -5
I think in this case the test should be are they discriminating against the people making the request or would the answer be the same to anyone making such a request. So if the gay couple wants a cake with a same sex topper, the shop could refuse because they don't make those for any of their customers. If the gay couple wants a standard wedding cake, then the bakery has no good reason to refuse. What if it were just a request to inscribe on the cake "Congratulations, Adam & Steve!" Assuming the baker has, in the past, inscribed cakes with "Congratulations, Adam & Eve!", should she be allowed to deny the equivalent for Adam and Steve? (The topper thing is easy -- "Sorry, I'm fresh out!" (so to speak, although it's arguably Steve who is both fresh and out.) |
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Post by rational on Apr 1, 2014 16:59:12 GMT -5
I think in this case the test should be are they discriminating against the people making the request or would the answer be the same to anyone making such a request. So if the gay couple wants a cake with a same sex topper, the shop could refuse because they don't make those for any of their customers. If the gay couple wants a standard wedding cake, then the bakery has no good reason to refuse. Correct. Should they refuse it could well be seen as discrimination. |
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Post by rational on Apr 1, 2014 17:16:48 GMT -5
Good point. Constructing legal language to separate the two situations would be a challenge, though, huh? My take is; If the business provides critical goods or services, they should NOT be able to discriminate. In cases where goods or service are NOT critical and on a contract basis (a custom cake maker) they SHOULD be able to discriminate. As in the test case, they cannot discriminate based on the customer. They cannot, for example, sell a cake to a male and refuse to sell the same cake to a female simply because she was female.Your choice but they have done no wrong by deciding to donate their profits to various groups. Interesting in several ways. They are not happy about having to provide health services that include birth control and abortion benefits but at the same time have invested heavily in drug companies that produce the morning-after-pill. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 1, 2014 17:21:25 GMT -5
My take is; If the business provides critical goods or services, they should NOT be able to discriminate. In cases where goods or service are NOT critical and on a contract basis (a custom cake maker) they SHOULD be able to discriminate. As in the test case, they cannot discriminate based on the customer. They cannot, for example, sell a cake to a male and refuse to sell the same cake to a female simply because she was female.Your choice but they have done no wrong by deciding to donate their profits to various groups. Interesting in several ways. They are not happy about having to provide health services that include birth control and abortion benefits but at the same time have invested heavily in drug companies that produce the morning-after-pill. SO in the end their bottom line DOES INDEED trump their morals. |
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Post by rational on Apr 1, 2014 17:23:05 GMT -5
So if the gay couple wants a cake with a same sex topper, the shop could refuse because they don't make those for any of their customers. If the gay couple wants a standard wedding cake, then the bakery has no good reason to refuse. What if it were just a request to inscribe on the cake "Congratulations, Adam & Steve!" Assuming the baker has, in the past, inscribed cakes with "Congratulations, Adam & Eve!", should she be allowed to deny the equivalent for Adam and Steve? (The topper thing is easy -- "Sorry, I'm fresh out!" (so to speak, although it's arguably Steve who is both fresh and out.) In her mind she would only have to be thinking Stevie Nicks! In the other hand, having been to two same-sex weddings and another looming in the future, they would be really dumb to miss out on what seems to be a very much over the top market! (Sorry about the stereotype but so far it has been 2 for 2!) |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 1, 2014 17:32:14 GMT -5
Thanks, Bob!
Now the song didn't sound that bad!
How did that mother even hear that word so well amidst all the others?
It didn't really stand out.
or did you emphasize the word when you were singing?PS: about the picture of you  in the video- you were were fairly good looking, -when you were young.
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Post by faune on Apr 1, 2014 17:35:12 GMT -5
As I'm sure you know, Bob, this message about U.S. Slavery being "good for the slave" isn't just from the 1800's or early 1900's. I remember hearing it discussed like this among some of the professing Friends I grew up listening to. This was during the 1960s and '70's in the Northeast U.S.. Oh yes -- I lived in the Northeast US in the 60s and spent a lot of time there through the 70s and 80s, and I was quite horrified at the racist remarks that were made by so many people. They had no concept of African Americans having the same species qualities as Caucasians at all -- Andrew Abernathy included. That was when I learned that some of the people who condemned the South for their treatment of blacks were still some of the biggest racists of all. I know a few professing households where professing black folks would NOT have been welcomed, AT ALL. When I moved back to Canada some relatives came to visit. There was a knock on the door and one of them answered and then closed the door and whispered, "There's a black kid at the door." "Let her in." Our daughter plays with her every day. We had black people visiting us a lot at home. We even shared a duplex with a professing black family for a year. I was probably 30 before I realized that their dark skin was a race distinction. My parents had the dumbest approach to raising children, I am sure.  Of course, there are a few racists in Canada too, but they never got off with the segregation and discrimination stuff like they did in much of the US. Bob ~ I saw plenty of the same attitude among the Friends where I grew up in the Northeast during the same time frame, too! I didn't like the prejudicial remarks back then and I still don't today. Andrew Abernathy definitely comes to mind in his remarks at conventions I attended in Milford, NH and Altamonte, NY. He didn't exactly impress me as a young teenager with his comments about people of color back in the 60's and 70's. I can remember some friends singing the praises of former Governor George Wallace of Alabama over his stand against young Black students attending the University of Alabama in 1963 and the same year boycotting young Black children from attending an Elementary School in Alabama back in the 60's. He definitely wanted to keep segregation in place within the schools and universities!  "Those were the days, my friend ~ we hope they will never end." ~ NOT TRUE!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3un5f6qLi_k
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Post by xna on Apr 1, 2014 17:44:04 GMT -5
[/quote]As in the test case, they cannot discriminate based on the customer. They cannot, for example, sell a cake to a male and refuse to sell the same cake to a female simply because she was female.
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Post by Mary on Apr 1, 2014 17:56:45 GMT -5
Thanks, Bob!
Now the song didn't sound that bad!
How did that mother even hear that word so well amidst all the others?
It didn't really stand out.
or did you emphasize the word when you were singing?PS: about the picture of you in the video- you were were fairly good looking, -when you were young.
Meaning  ?? he isn't good looking now??? Just asking....... |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 1, 2014 18:00:15 GMT -5
Thanks, Bob!
Now the song didn't sound that bad!
How did that mother even hear that word so well amidst all the others?
It didn't really stand out.
or did you emphasize the word when you were singing?PS: about the picture of you in the video- you were were fairly good looking, -when you were young.
Actually one of the kids thought it was so "exciting" that she went home and told her mother about it. That wasn't the only thing the little @%$X&%@ complained to her mother about. |
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Post by faune on Apr 1, 2014 18:15:11 GMT -5
Thanks, Bob!
Now the song didn't sound that bad!
How did that mother even hear that word so well amidst all the others?
It didn't really stand out.
or did you emphasize the word when you were singing?PS: about the picture of you in the video- you were were fairly good looking, -when you were young.
Actually one of the kids thought it was no "exciting" that she went home and told her mother about it. That wasn't the only thing the little @%$X&%@ complained to her mother about. Bob ~ Was that you singing back in time or an actor? BTW, what does the title mean here? I've forgotten most of my French from high school days. If that was you in the flesh, than you were "fairly good looking ~ when you were young," as DMG commented above. However, I think you are pretty distinguished looking guy even today in your golden retirement years ~ a real Yul Brynner!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yul_Brynner
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 1, 2014 19:11:42 GMT -5
Actually one of the kids thought it was no "exciting" that she went home and told her mother about it. That wasn't the only thing the little @%$X&%@ complained to her mother about. Bob ~ Was that you singing back in time or an actor? BTW, what does the title mean here? I've forgotten most of my French from high school days. If that was you in the flesh, than you were "fairly good looking ~ when you were young," as DMG commented above. However, I think you are pretty distinguished looking guy even today in your golden retirement years ~ a real Yul Brynner!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yul_Brynner
You are pumping up his ego, 'til no one will be able to stand him -maybe even his poor wife!
Wait 'til I put my current picture out here- save some of that praise for me!  |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 1, 2014 19:22:45 GMT -5
As I'm sure you know, Bob, this message about U.S. Slavery being "good for the slave" isn't just from the 1800's or early 1900's. I remember hearing it discussed like this among some of the professing Friends I grew up listening to. This was during the 1960s and '70's in the Northeast U.S.. Oh yes -- I lived in the Northeast US in the 60s and spent a lot of time there through the 70s and 80s, and I was quite horrified at the racist remarks that were made by so many people. They had no concept of African Americans having the same species qualities as Caucasians at all -- Andrew Abernathy included. That was when I learned that some of the people who condemned the South for their treatment of blacks were still some of the biggest racists of all. I know a few professing households where professing black folks would NOT have been welcomed, AT ALL. When I moved back to Canada some relatives came to visit. There was a knock on the door and one of them answered and then closed the door and whispered, "There's a black kid at the door." "Let her in." Our daughter plays with her every day. We had black people visiting us a lot at home. We even shared a duplex with a professing black family for a year. I was probably 30 before I realized that their dark skin was a race distinction. My parents had the dumbest approach to raising children, I am sure. Of course, there are a few racists in Canada too, but they never got off with the segregation and discrimination stuff like they did in much of the US.
My son informed him some of those black children lived right across the hall from them!
This in 2000's!
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Post by faune on Apr 1, 2014 19:42:27 GMT -5
Bob ~ Was that you singing back in time or an actor? BTW, what does the title mean here? I've forgotten most of my French from high school days. If that was you in the flesh, than you were "fairly good looking ~ when you were young," as DMG commented above. However, I think you are pretty distinguished looking guy even today in your golden retirement years ~ a real Yul Brynner!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yul_Brynner
You are pumping up his ego, 'til no one will be able to stand him -maybe even his poor wife!
Wait 'til I put my current picture out here- save some of that praise for me! Dmmichgood ~ It's about time you become transparent with a picture that we can relate to here? Bob put his handsome face out there along with some others recently, like Nathan, so now it's your turn to take the challenge. Maybe your daughter or son can help you post it as your new avatar? Some people just don't believe you are really 82 years old and think you are really in your early 40's due to the clarity of your posts. So, they will be in for a rude awakening for sure when you decide to put your face out there for everybody to see, IMHO? I know what you look like, but others don't believe me when I tell them you are really the age you post on line. However, you do keep in good shape and active for your age. I hope someday, if I live to be 82 years old, I will be able to appear so alert that people take me for half my age? Now, you got your first compliment before even posting your picture!
And yes, Bob does make a good looking Yul Brynner with his bald head. He probably looked just like him at a younger age? Perhaps that's why his wife Judy married him 50 years ago? Just check my Wiki article and picture for a comparison! Now Bob should have a swelled ego for sure, DMG! 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yul_Brynner
P.S. ~ Dmmichgood ~ We will be anxiously awaiting your "coming out" here on TMB!
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Post by faune on Apr 1, 2014 20:10:26 GMT -5
Thanks, Bob!
Now the song didn't sound that bad!
How did that mother even hear that word so well amidst all the others?
It didn't really stand out.
or did you emphasize the word when you were singing?PS: about the picture of you in the video- you were were fairly good looking, -when you were young.
Meaning ?? he isn't good looking now??? Just asking....... Mary ~ DMG just doesn't want to admit that Bob looks a lot like Yul Brynner with his bald head, so I gave her the Wiki site for comparison to that famous actor of the past.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yul_Brynner
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 1, 2014 20:20:00 GMT -5
My take is; If the business provides critical goods or services, they should NOT be able to discriminate. In cases where goods or service are NOT critical and on a contract basis (a custom cake maker) they SHOULD be able to discriminate. As in the test case, they cannot discriminate based on the customer. They cannot, for example, sell a cake to a male and refuse to sell the same cake to a female simply because she was female.Your choice but they have done no wrong by deciding to donate their profits to various groups. Interesting in several ways. They are not happy about having to provide health services that include birth control and abortion benefits b ut at the same time have invested heavily in drug companies that produce the morning-after-pill.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 1, 2014 20:25:20 GMT -5
Dmmichgood ~ It's about time you become transparent with a picture that we can relate to here? Bob put his handsome face out there along with some others recently, like Nathan, so now it's your turn to take the challenge. Maybe your daughter or son can help you post it as your new avatar? Some people just don't believe you are really 82 years old and think you are really in your early 40's due to the clarity of your posts. So, they will be in for a rude awakening for sure when you decide to put your face out there for everybody to see, IMHO? I know what you look like, but others don't believe me when I tell them you are really the age you post on line. However, you do keep in good shape and active for your age. I hope someday, if I live to be 82 years old, I will be able to appear so alert that people take me for half my age? Now, you got your first compliment before even posting your picture!
And yes, Bob does make a good looking Yul Brynner with his bald head. He probably looked just like him at a younger age? Perhaps that's why his wife Judy married him 50 years ago? Just check my Wiki article and picture for a comparison! Now Bob should have a swelled ego for sure, DMG!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yul_Brynner
Could you assist me to put it on as my avatar?
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Post by faune on Apr 1, 2014 20:45:11 GMT -5
Dmmichgood ~ It's about time you become transparent with a picture that we can relate to here? Bob put his handsome face out there along with some others recently, like Nathan, so now it's your turn to take the challenge. Maybe your daughter or son can help you post it as your new avatar? Some people just don't believe you are really 82 years old and think you are really in your early 40's due to the clarity of your posts. So, they will be in for a rude awakening for sure when you decide to put your face out there for everybody to see, IMHO? I know what you look like, but others don't believe me when I tell them you are really the age you post on line. However, you do keep in good shape and active for your age. I hope someday, if I live to be 82 years old, I will be able to appear so alert that people take me for half my age? Now, you got your first compliment before even posting your picture!
And yes, Bob does make a good looking Yul Brynner with his bald head. He probably looked just like him at a younger age? Perhaps that's why his wife Judy married him 50 years ago? Just check my Wiki article and picture for a comparison! Now Bob should have a swelled ego for sure, DMG!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yul_Brynner
Could you assist me to put it on as my avatar?
Dmmichgood ~ I'm not very good at these things. But when I put my picture out there in the past, Gene gave me some simple instructions to follow. The problem is that I can't remember what he told me back then. My age is catching up to me these days! I'm sure Rational can help along these lines, too? I believe I used Image Shack in the past to get a code which I could use to insert a photo avatar. However, if you already have the hardest part taken care of, then all you have to do is insert a 100x100 size photo into the proper place for a photo ID as an avatar.
I just found some simple instructions that my help you, DMG? Here's the link. I believe I will save this myself for future use, too!
forums.getpaint.net/index.php?/topic/12193-how-to-use-images-in-your-posts-signatures-and-avatars/
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Post by snow on Apr 1, 2014 22:27:54 GMT -5
And if the admonition is for slaves to be obedient to their masters, then why not "Cake Shop owners make the @#$% cake for your customers!" Shop owners should not be required to produce goods with which they disagree. If someone asks them to create a cake with a swastika they have every right to refuse. Rational, anything with hate speech on it I would agree. But to refuse to serve someone based on a biased belief about them, isn't that illegal? Isn't that considered discrimination which in Canada anyway, we can't discriminate based on race, gender or sexual preferences. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 1, 2014 22:30:03 GMT -5
Actually one of the kids thought it was so "exciting" that she went home and told her mother about it. That wasn't the only thing the little @%$X&%@ complained to her mother about. Bob ~ Was that you singing back in time or an actor? BTW, what does the title mean here? I've forgotten most of my French from high school days. If that was you in the flesh, than you were "fairly good looking ~ when you were young,"
in that case, it must have been me. haha No, I am not singing in that clip -- it's rather popular French singer, though.[/p]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yul_Brynner
[/quote] You should see me on my off days. Does Yul Brenner paint his toenails? |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 1, 2014 22:30:10 GMT -5
Faune, I've had picture ready for a long time! Ever since we were in Scotland! I even have it as icon on that I can pull up readily but no one seems to know how I can put it up as my avatar!
Could you assist me to put it on as my avatar?
Dmmichgood ~ I'm not very good at these things. But when I put my picture out there in the past, Gene gave me some simple instructions to follow. The problem is that I can't remember what he told me back then. My age is catching up to me these days! I'm sure Rational can help along these lines, too? I believe I used Image Shack in the past to get a code which I could use to insert a photo avatar. However, if you already have the hardest part taken care of, then all you have to do is insert a 100x100 size photo into the proper place for a photo ID as an avatar.
I just found some simple instructions that my help you, DMG? Here's the link. I believe I will save this myself for future use, too!
forums.getpaint.net/index.php?/topic/12193-how-to-use-images-in-your-posts-signatures-and-avatars/
-sigh, now if I can just unravel those instructions, maybe you will be able to see my beautiful ultra-mature face within the next year or two.  |
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Post by snow on Apr 1, 2014 22:35:42 GMT -5
So if the gay couple wants a cake with a same sex topper, the shop could refuse because they don't make those for any of their customers. If the gay couple wants a standard wedding cake, then the bakery has no good reason to refuse. What if it were just a request to inscribe on the cake "Congratulations, Adam & Steve!" Assuming the baker has, in the past, inscribed cakes with "Congratulations, Adam & Eve!", should she be allowed to deny the equivalent for Adam and Steve? (The topper thing is easy -- "Sorry, I'm fresh out!" (so to speak, although it's arguably Steve who is both fresh and out.) Maybe they both got a promotion... ? It's a slippery slope. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 1, 2014 22:38:23 GMT -5
Oh yes -- I lived in the Northeast US in the 60s and spent a lot of time there through the 70s and 80s, and I was quite horrified at the racist remarks that were made by so many people. They had no concept of African Americans having the same species qualities as Caucasians at all -- Andrew Abernathy included. That was when I learned that some of the people who condemned the South for their treatment of blacks were still some of the biggest racists of all. I know a few professing households where professing black folks would NOT have been welcomed, AT ALL. When I moved back to Canada some relatives came to visit. There was a knock on the door and one of them answered and then closed the door and whispered, "There's a black kid at the door." "Let her in." Our daughter plays with her every day. We had black people visiting us a lot at home. We even shared a duplex with a professing black family for a year. I was probably 30 before I realized that their dark skin was a race distinction. My parents had the dumbest approach to raising children, I am sure. Of course, there are a few racists in Canada too, but they never got off with the segregation and discrimination stuff like they did in much of the US.
My son informed him some of those black children lived right across the hall from them!
This in 2000's!
Racism is still very much alive in some people in the US.Don't I know. I was waiting at a bakeshop to buy a birthday cake and there was a Spanish speaking lady there too with three children, 2 preschoolers. They were fussing, and she was trying to appease them. When she got her cake and left the other lady who was waiting turned to me and said, "Well at least we got rid of that gibberish."
To which I immediately responded: "You know, my mother's voice was the sweetest sound to me as a child, and to this day I would never ask her to speak any other way to me for anyone else's comfort."
She stared at me for a while, then suddenly turned and walked away before her turn came to pick out a cake.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 1, 2014 22:49:24 GMT -5
"If there was anything that was worth defending in those beliefs" and if there were some truth to them, they would not be "be picked apart pretty much endlessly". What I'm reading: Contempt"The things in the bible should be things no decent person would condone when it comes to stoning your children," The one example I've found of that relates to debauchery and drunkenness, hardly something an actual child would be capable of. [Deut. 21:18-21] Nevertheless, yes, capital punishment for profligacy and drunkenness is not something society would advocate today, of course. Simply put, Jesus is The Way. "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral.....nor drunkards....will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Cor. 6:9-11"killing homosexuals" Harsh, no doubt. The moral reservation remains (part of sexual sin) but we don't respond to it in the same way, obviously."selling your daughters," Selling your daughters...that is out of context, you know. Slavery was part of near eastern culture, and conditions in this period were brutal all around. He instituted laws which gave some gradient steps forward, i.e., improvements. Just as you wouldn't instruct first graders in Calculus, but bring them up gradually, step by step, precept by precept, God's laws were leading a brutal society to a higher form of social interaction. Conditions in the ancient near east had some common features (purification/cleansing rituals; sacrifices (plant, animal, drink, and human sacrifice; pan/polytheism; theocracy; "sacred" prostitution; divination and magic) and God (YHWH) dealt all of these by forbidding some and refashioning others.
Child sacrifice, polytheism, prostitution in all its forms, and divination and magic were outlawed.
Leviticus 19:29, "Do not debase your daughter by making her a prostitute, or the land will be prostituted and filled with depravity."
The laws around slavery www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021 were actually improvements in their time.
From our comfortable chairs today we might scoff at these, but when we do, we forget that the incremental steps outlined in the laws of the Bible led, over centuries, to the ultimate Way, Jesus, who taught us that all of the laws and the prophets hang on these two commandments: Loving God first and loving our neighbor as ourselves.
"Does this not raise some pretty major red flags for you at all?" Seen by that armchair today, sure. Seen as they were: incremental improvements necessary in their time, no. Leading to Jesus, no red flags. Because now we have the New Covenant. Now we have The Way: Jesus.
Might be a good idea to give them an identity.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 1, 2014 22:54:26 GMT -5
Bob ~ Was that you singing back in time or an actor? BTW, what does the title mean here? I've forgotten most of my French from high school days. If that was you in the flesh, than you were "fairly good looking ~ when you were young," as DMG commented above. However, I think you are pretty distinguished looking guy even today in your golden retirement years ~ a real Yul Brynner!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yul_Brynner
You are pumping up his ego, 'til no one will be able to stand him -maybe even his poor wife!
Wait 'til I put my current picture out here- save some of that praise for me! It's okay. My granddaughter pats my face, kisses me, and plays with my beard and moustache -- so there!!!!! |
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in the video- you were were fairly good looking, -when you were young. 
"Those were the days, my friend ~ we hope they will never end." ~ NOT TRUE! 
?? he isn't good looking now??? Just asking.......
