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Post by nathan2 on Jun 26, 2024 22:25:57 GMT -5
Opps, sorry… I believe the Vaudois or Waldenses or those like them were still around in 1800s. According to Vaudois Christians church history they existed from 68 AD- 1800s. So if a seeking soul in New York in 1880 was looking for 2x2 preachers, where would they have found them? Let me ask you this again, Do you know of any sect, church denomination today that is practicing/obeying Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and having the Eucharist/emblems in the homes of believers? READ Luke 22; I Cor. 11. 2) Can you name 1 or 2 of those denominations for us. 3) Why? Are they NOT following/obeying God the Father and Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and having the emblems in remembrance of Jesus life, death and resurrection in the homes as He commanded them in the gospels? Jesus said as My Heavenly Father has sent so, I am sending you in the same manner. Who gave the authority to any believer to change God the Father and Christ instructions? Can you point out in the scriptures, where God the Father and Christ changed the 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and having the Eucharists in the homes of believers?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 26, 2024 23:06:22 GMT -5
So if a seeking soul in New York in 1880 was looking for 2x2 preachers, where would they have found them? Let me ask you this again, Do you know of any sect, church denomination today that is practicing/obeying Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and having the Eucharist/emblems in the homes of believers? READ Luke 22; I Cor. 11. 2) Can you name 1 or 2 of those denominations for us. 3) Why? Are they NOT following/obeying God the Father and Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and having the emblems in remembrance of Jesus life, death and resurrection in the homes as He commanded them in the gospels? Jesus said as My Heavenly Father has sent so, I am sending you in the same manner. Who gave the authority to any believer to change God the Father and Christ instructions? Can you point out in the scriptures, where God the Father and Christ changed the 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and having the Eucharists in the homes of believers? If your god knows peoples hearts then there is no need for workers. You cant have it both ways. By the way, there is now over 900 indentified criminals among your church. Can you explain that?
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Post by Bigbiddy on Jun 27, 2024 0:17:48 GMT -5
Let me ask you this again, Do you know of any sect, church denomination today that is practicing/obeying Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and having the Eucharist/emblems in the homes of believers? READ Luke 22; I Cor. 11. 2) Can you name 1 or 2 of those denominations for us. 3) Why? Are they NOT following/obeying God the Father and Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and having the emblems in remembrance of Jesus life, death and resurrection in the homes as He commanded them in the gospels? Jesus said as My Heavenly Father has sent so, I am sending you in the same manner. Who gave the authority to any believer to change God the Father and Christ instructions? Can you point out in the scriptures, where God the Father and Christ changed the 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and having the Eucharists in the homes of believers? If your god knows peoples hearts then there is no need for workers. You cant have it both ways. By the way, there is now over 900 indentified criminals among your church. Can you explain that? Some very loose numbers here. 900 identified criminals??? Maybe names have been mentioned but how many are dead or how many have been tried and convicted??
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 27, 2024 0:44:46 GMT -5
If your god knows peoples hearts then there is no need for workers. You cant have it both ways. By the way, there is now over 900 indentified criminals among your church. Can you explain that? Some very loose numbers here. 900 identified criminals??? Maybe names have been mentioned but how many are dead or how many have been tried and convicted?? There's only one number there. The private investigator who is investigating the cult has compiled a list of over 900 criminals. Who cares how many are dead. They committed their crimes when they were alive. The wheels of justice grind slowly. Some have already been convicted. There will be many more. Some of the dearly beloved brothers are going to be serving some long prison sentences.
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Post by Annan on Jun 27, 2024 6:31:59 GMT -5
God knows where we are and He will find the lost sheep to bring it to the ONE fold, to be fed, nourished, strengthen with other sheep in the same pen for fellowship and protection from the wolves. I think we can agree that God will lead people into protection from the wolves. "The sheep will spend their entire lives fearing the wolf, only to be eaten by the shepherd."
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 27, 2024 9:00:08 GMT -5
Let me ask you this again, Do you know of any sect, church denomination today that is practicing/obeying Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and having the Eucharist/emblems in the homes of believers? READ Luke 22; I Cor. 11. 2) Can you name 1 or 2 of those denominations for us. 3) Why? Are they NOT following/obeying God the Father and Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and having the emblems in remembrance of Jesus life, death and resurrection in the homes as He commanded them in the gospels? Jesus said as My Heavenly Father has sent so, I am sending you in the same manner. Who gave the authority to any believer to change God the Father and Christ instructions? Can you point out in the scriptures, where God the Father and Christ changed the 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and having the Eucharists in the homes of believers? If your god knows peoples hearts then there is no need for workers. You cant have it both ways. By the way, there is now over 900 indentified criminals among your church. Can you explain that? God knows their hearts, free Will, they must make the choice wanting to love, and to serve Him forever. The preaching of Jesus teachings and the Holy Spirit will convict them of their sins and turn to Him as their Redeemer and Savior. Jesus spoke about the tares among the wheat, good fish and bad fish, 5 wise Virgins and 5 foolish virgins, goats and so on within the fold to the time of His 2nd coming. In Matthew 13 the apostles asked Jesus should we take these unwanted tares, bad fish, goats, 5 foolish virgins out? He replied Leave them alone, let God works with them awhile like He did with the 7 churches in the book of Revelation, because they might repent of their sins… leave it to the angels who will separate the tares from the wheat, because the humans might uproot the wheat along with the tares!
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 27, 2024 10:11:40 GMT -5
If your god knows peoples hearts then there is no need for workers. You cant have it both ways. By the way, there is now over 900 indentified criminals among your church. Can you explain that? Some very loose numbers here. 900 identified criminals??? Maybe names have been mentioned but how many are dead or how many have been tried and convicted?? good questions, The 900 names mentioned or convicted, is that the last 75 years to now ? or just the last 5 years? You have to be cleared in what period of time frame so people don’t get all hype up and freak out.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 27, 2024 13:41:28 GMT -5
Some very loose numbers here. 900 identified criminals??? Maybe names have been mentioned but how many are dead or how many have been tried and convicted?? good questions, The 900 names mentioned or convicted, is that the last 75 years to now ? or just the last 5 years? You have to be cleared in what period of time frame so people don’t get all hype up and freak out. Now there are some very loose numbers here. What do you mean by "you have to be cleared in what period of time frame?
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Post by jwatt on Jun 27, 2024 14:39:57 GMT -5
good questions, The 900 names mentioned or convicted, is that the last 75 years to now ? or just the last 5 years? You have to be cleared in what period of time frame so people don’t get all hype up and freak out. Now there are some very loose numbers here. What do you mean by "you have to be cleared in what period of time frame? Time frame doesn't matter, 900 names and still growing. Shouldn't be any. Protect your children from these sickos.
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Post by Mary on Jun 27, 2024 14:46:18 GMT -5
Some very loose numbers here. 900 identified criminals??? Maybe names have been mentioned but how many are dead or how many have been tried and convicted?? good questions, The 900 names mentioned or convicted, is that the last 75 years to now ? or just the last 5 years? You have to be cleared in what period of time frame so people don’t get all hype up and freak out. 900 identified perpetrators, you can guarantee there are a lot more who have not been disclosed. Most victims do not tell.
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Post by Mary on Jun 27, 2024 14:51:36 GMT -5
If your god knows peoples hearts then there is no need for workers. You cant have it both ways. By the way, there is now over 900 indentified criminals among your church. Can you explain that? God knows their hearts, free Will, they must make the choice wanting to love, and to serve Him forever. The preaching of Jesus teachings and the Holy Spirit will convict them of their sins and turn to Him as their Redeemer and Savior. Jesus spoke about the tares among the wheat, good fish and bad fish, 5 wise Virgins and 5 foolish virgins, goats and so on within the fold to the time of His 2nd coming. In Matthew 13 the apostles asked Jesus should we take these unwanted tares, bad fish, goats, 5 foolish virgins out? He replied Leave them alone, let God works with them awhile like He did with the 7 churches in the book of Revelation, because they might repent of their sins… leave it to the angels who will separate the tares from the wheat, because the humans might uproot the wheat along with the tares! The 2x2s were built on shifting sand, not the solid foundation. It was built upon men rather than Jesus.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 27, 2024 14:54:41 GMT -5
God knows their hearts, free Will, they must make the choice wanting to love, and to serve Him forever. The preaching of Jesus teachings and the Holy Spirit will convict them of their sins and turn to Him as their Redeemer and Savior. Jesus spoke about the tares among the wheat, good fish and bad fish, 5 wise Virgins and 5 foolish virgins, goats and so on within the fold to the time of His 2nd coming. In Matthew 13 the apostles asked Jesus should we take these unwanted tares, bad fish, goats, 5 foolish virgins out? He replied Leave them alone, let God works with them awhile like He did with the 7 churches in the book of Revelation, because they might repent of their sins… leave it to the angels who will separate the tares from the wheat, because the humans might uproot the wheat along with the tares! The 2x2s were built on shifting sand, not the solid foundation. It was built upon men rather than Jesus. It's leader William Irvine set a great example of womanizing. It has been followed closely by lots of workers since then.
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 27, 2024 15:13:47 GMT -5
good questions, The 900 names mentioned or convicted, is that the last 75 years to now ? or just the last 5 years? You have to be cleared in what period of time frame so people don’t get all hype up and freak out. Now there are some very loose numbers here. What do you mean by "you have to be cleared in what period of time frame? How far does these 900 names go back to 75 years ago to now or 900 names since 20 years ago to now?
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 27, 2024 15:19:33 GMT -5
The 2x2s were built on shifting sand, not the solid foundation. It was built upon men rather than Jesus. It's leader William Irvine set a great example of womanizing. It has been followed closely by lots of workers since then. This womanizing happen to many denominational churches pastors too, and the RCC have their share of problems also. There are many good brothers and sisters workers out there! NOT all are bad. My hat 🎩 is off to the ones stay true or follow Jesus celibate life for the sake of God’s kingdom and people READ Matthew 19: 1-29. God and Christ have promised they will gain 100 folds in this life and much more to come during the 100 years reign when Jesus returns!👍 So, I encourage the workers to keep true to their celibacy life style for Jesus and the sake of God’s people! Hey, if the kitchen gets too hot, there is NOTHING wrong to step down and continue to serve God as the friends. like myself. You can be Internet workers 😁and share your knowledge of what you have learned, the good, the bad and ugly.
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Post by fixit on Jun 27, 2024 15:51:03 GMT -5
Jesus spoke about the tares among the wheat, good fish and bad fish, 5 wise Virgins and 5 foolish virgins, goats and so on within the fold to the time of His 2nd coming. You preach a very sloppy gospel, mixing metaphors to create utter confusion.
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Post by fixit on Jun 27, 2024 15:54:52 GMT -5
So, I encourage the workers to keep true to their celibacy life style for Jesus and the sake of God’s people! Did Jesus insist that celibacy is required for the preaching of the gospel and leadership of the church?
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 27, 2024 15:55:24 GMT -5
God knows their hearts, free Will, they must make the choice wanting to love, and to serve Him forever. The preaching of Jesus teachings and the Holy Spirit will convict them of their sins and turn to Him as their Redeemer and Savior. Jesus spoke about the tares among the wheat, good fish and bad fish, 5 wise Virgins and 5 foolish virgins, goats and so on within the fold to the time of His 2nd coming. In Matthew 13 the apostles asked Jesus should we take these unwanted tares, bad fish, goats, 5 foolish virgins out? He replied Leave them alone, let God works with them awhile like He did with the 7 churches in the book of Revelation, because they might repent of their sins… leave it to the angels who will separate the tares from the wheat, because the humans might uproot the wheat along with the tares! The 2x2s were built on shifting sand, not the solid foundation. It was built upon men rather than Jesus. The 2x2 are NOT building on shifting sand but on the solid Rock foundation of God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit teachings, and instructions , which lead to The Godhead and eternal home in heaven. Read Matthew 7:13-28 Sometimes because of pride, human weakness of the flesh get in the way, the workers get their eyes focus on the wrong thing but the foundation of Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and Sunday morning worship in the homes to remember Jesus is God the Father establishment or set up! It’s the Rock foundation from God the Father in heaven and NOT of men ideas or thinking.
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 27, 2024 16:00:51 GMT -5
Jesus spoke about the tares among the wheat, good fish and bad fish, 5 wise Virgins and 5 foolish virgins, goats and so on within the fold to the time of His 2nd coming. You preach a very sloppy gospel, mixing metaphors to create utter confusion. Where there is no vision people and friends like you will perish.
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Post by fixit on Jun 27, 2024 16:05:03 GMT -5
This womanizing happen to many denominational churches pastors too, and the RCC have their share of problems also. That's true. We shouldn't put our trust in any preacher. Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns or figs from thistles? 17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
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Post by Mary on Jun 27, 2024 16:09:00 GMT -5
You preach a very sloppy gospel, mixing metaphors to create utter confusion. Where there is no vision people and friends like you will perish. Seems like you need new glasses Nathan. Reminds me of why my mother never called them workers. She said the bible often refers to workers as workers of iniquity.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 27, 2024 16:15:15 GMT -5
Where there is no vision people and friends like you will perish. Seems like you need new glasses Nathan. Reminds me of why my mother never called them workers. She said the bible often refers to workers as workers of iniquity. That seems to be very appropriate. At least 900 workers of iniquity have been identified so far. Out of the total pool of workers that is a very high percentage. Here's a conversation between a wannabee worker and the overseer. Wannabee. I would like to offer for the work Overseer. Do you like fiddling with kids. Wannabee. Yes of course, anything to be a worker. Overseer. Right you are in then. Give me all your money.
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Post by fixit on Jun 27, 2024 16:16:20 GMT -5
The 2x2s were built on shifting sand, not the solid foundation. It was built upon men rather than Jesus. The 2x2 are NOT building on shifting sand but on the solid Rock foundation of God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit teachings, and instructions , which lead to The Godhead and eternal home in heaven. Read Matthew 7:13-28 Sometimes because of pride, human weakness of the flesh get in the way, the workers get their eyes focus on the wrong thing but the foundation of Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and Sunday morning worship in the homes to remember Jesus is God the Father establishment or set up! It’s the Rock foundation from God the Father in heaven and NOT of men ideas or thinking. When Jesus spoke about building on the rock it was about individual experience, not church methods. Luke 6:43 “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit; 44 for each tree is known by its own fruit. For people do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a bramble bush. 45 The good person out of the good treasure of the heart produces good, and the evil person out of evil treasure produces evil, for it is out of the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks. 46 “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I tell you? 47 I will show you what someone is like who comes to me, hears my words, and acts on them. 48 That one is like a man building a house who dug deeply and laid the foundation on rock; when a flood arose, the river burst against that house but could not shake it because it had been well built. 49 But the one who hears and does not act is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. When the river burst against it, it quickly collapsed, and great was the ruin of that house.”
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 27, 2024 16:45:38 GMT -5
Seems like you need new glasses Nathan. Reminds me of why my mother never called them workers. She said the bible often refers to workers as workers of iniquity. That seems to be very appropriate. At least 900 workers of iniquity have been identified so far. Out of the total pool of workers that is a very high percentage. Here's a conversation between a wannabee worker and the overseer. Wannabee. I would like to offer for the work Overseer. Do you like fiddling with kids. Wannabee. Yes of course, anything to be a worker. Overseer. Right you are in then. Give me all your money. While this was said jest, didn’t it also happen in reality between Marion Crawford and Willis Propp, way back when?
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 27, 2024 17:46:55 GMT -5
So, I encourage the workers to keep true to their celibacy life style for Jesus and the sake of God’s people! Did Jesus insist that celibacy is required for the preaching of the gospel and leadership of the church? Yes, Celibacy is required mostly for the apostles like Jesus, the 12, 70, Barnabas, Paul, Timothy, Silas, Luke, Mark, Titus and so on. However, we read Peter had a mother in law, we don’t read anywhere about his wife in the gospel, but his wife mention in I Cor. 9:5. It seems James the Lord Jesus brother was married and a few other apostles. Paul, Barnabas, the 12 and 70 apostles mostly were NOT married, they were celibate by following Jesus example as unmarried preacher of the gospel for the sake of God’s people as an Itinerant, wandering and constantly on the move preaching the gospel.
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 27, 2024 17:48:57 GMT -5
This womanizing happen to many denominational churches pastors too, and the RCC have their share of problems also. That's true. We shouldn't put our trust in any preacher. Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns or figs from thistles? 17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits. Paul the apostle wrote follow me as I follow Jesus teachings.
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 27, 2024 17:53:11 GMT -5
Where there is no vision people and friends like you will perish. Seems like you need new glasses Nathan. Reminds me of why my mother never called them workers. She said the bible often refers to workers as workers of iniquity. Paul and his fellow preachers Timothy, Silas in the gospel called themselves as Workers! For God. READ II Cor. 6:1
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 27, 2024 18:01:11 GMT -5
The 2x2 are NOT building on shifting sand but on the solid Rock foundation of God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit teachings, and instructions , which lead to The Godhead and eternal home in heaven. Read Matthew 7:13-28 Sometimes because of pride, human weakness of the flesh get in the way, the workers get their eyes focus on the wrong thing but the foundation of Jesus 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and Sunday morning worship in the homes to remember Jesus is God the Father establishment or set up! It’s the Rock foundation from God the Father in heaven and NOT of men ideas or thinking. When Jesus spoke about building on the rock it was about individual experience, not church methods. Luke 6:43 “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit; 44 for each tree is known by its own fruit. For people do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a bramble bush. 45 The good person out of the good treasure of the heart produces good, and the evil person out of evil treasure produces evil, for it is out of the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks. 46 “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I tell you? 47 I will show you what someone is like who comes to me, hears my words, and acts on them. 48 That one is like a man building a house who dug deeply and laid the foundation on rock; when a flood arose, the river burst against that house but could not shake it because it had been well built. 49 But the one who hears and does not act is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. When the river burst against it, it quickly collapsed, and great was the ruin of that house.” Where there is no vision and understanding of Jesus New Test. teachings, people and the friends like you will perish eventually.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 27, 2024 20:37:28 GMT -5
Unless the Bible explicitly says they were celibate, it's not appropriate to say they were not married. The Bible doesn't even confirm that Joseph and Mary eventually were married either. The Bible, in fact, leaves far more out of Jesus' life out than it includes. Who, except for an apologist, has any idea what was left out of the Bible?
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