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Post by help on Jun 25, 2024 2:13:28 GMT -5
You don't know your Christian Church history, but are entitled to your opinion.
All 34,000 denominations are a break away from the original Christian Catholic Church. The 2x2's were a breakaway from Faith Mission. They just introduced their own ideas, to try and get market share, that makes good business sense.
Choosing a Church is just like buying a car, you choose the brand that takes your fancy. All cars do the same thing, take you from point A, to point B. But you can also choose not to use a car and use public transport. So there is never a right way and a wrong way, all do the same thing, just trying new ideas to capture the market. “Variety's the spice of life, that gives it all its flavour.”
Just read, Preserving the Truth: The Church Without a Name and Its Founder, William Irvine Book by Cherie Kropp-Ehrig.
That will wise you up on the history of the 2x2 Church, an accurate true account without 2x2 spin. Referenced by documentary evidence, not spin.
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 25, 2024 8:22:55 GMT -5
You don't know your Christian Church history, but are entitled to your opinion. All 34,000 denominations are a break away from the original Christian Catholic Church. The 2x2's were a breakaway from Faith Mission. They just introduced their own ideas, to try and get market share, that makes good business sense. Choosing a Church is just like buying a car, you choose the brand that takes your fancy. All cars do the same thing, take you from point A, to point B. But you can also choose not to use a car and use public transport. So there is never a right way and a wrong way, all do the same thing, just trying new ideas to capture the market. “Variety's the spice of life, that gives it all its flavour.” Just read, Preserving the Truth: The Church Without a Name and Its Founder, William Irvine Book by Cherie Kropp-Ehrig. That will wise you up on the history of the 2x2 Church, an accurate true account without 2x2 spin. Referenced by documentary evidence, not spin. Yes, I have studied Cherie’s own theory or spin and those like her website for over 23 years Matthew 10 started by William Irvine experiment in 1897 is false thinking and belief. Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Test ministry and fellowship have preserved by God, Christ and the Holy Spirit for 2000 years! The Faith Mission and 2x2s workers are NOT the ONLY ones are doing it for the last 125 years. The overseers CSA blunders for NOT handling it correctly, which have made many 2x2s left the fellowship with Cherie own theory or incomplete understanding of Jesus 2x2 apostolic/workers Itinerant ministry for the last 2000 years. Cherie has focused just on William Irvine beginning of Matthew 10 and ignored 1900 years of Paul’s own converts the Vaudois Christians, who had followed Jesus Christ going in faith trusting in God to provide for their needs through their own followers most of the time like God and Christ had set it up 2000 years ago. Jesus taught the apostles in Matthew 6 Seek/preach ye first the kingdom of God and all yours needs shall be provided…. Jesus words are true the apostles/workers all theirs needs have been provide by the friends so, they preach the gospel without charge.
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 25, 2024 8:23:19 GMT -5
It's a historical fact that the Roman Catholic Church started the job almost 2000 Years before the 2x2's were invented. They are still growing, 2x2ism is in decline. The Catholic Church is still growing From 267 million Catholics in 1900 to 1.05 billion in 2000 and 1.36 billion today, the Catholic Church has expanded more through the last 100 years than any time in its 2,000 years of existence. The 2x2 Church was founded in 1897 in Ireland by William Irvine, an evangelist with the interdenominational Faith Mission. Irvine began independently preaching a return to the method of itinerant ministry he claimed was set forth in Matthew 10. Think the Roman Catholic Church may have got it right. They preached Christ, not that their Church was the only right one because of some minor technical argument. You don’t know your church history 100 % correctly but you entitled to your opinion. Matthew 10 came from the Faith Mission John Govan founder in 1895 NOT from William Irvine own idea. William Irvine and the early 2x2 workers got the Mathew 10 from John Govan the Faith Mission. John Govan, William Irvine and 2x2 workers got the idea from Jesus Christ who started Matthew 10 back 2000 years ago. The RCC was part of the true church just like the Vaudois Christian back in 67 AD. The RCC went off the tracks when they incorporate pagans practices, rituals, false doctrines into their church to bring in more converts. They made turned their sect into pagans religion mixed with Christianity READ WHAT John the apostle had foretold about them in Rev. chapters 17-18. The Vaudois Christians were Paul’s own converts in Rome kept true to Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry for 1800 years insisted of the RCC horrific persecution and seeking to wipe them off the map so, they can be the ONLY true church of God on earth. However, God has preserved Christ New Test. Church through the Vaudois for 1800 years READ Rev. chapters 11-12 God and Christ revealed it to John the apostle, he saw the future and wrote it for us to understand it.
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Post by Annan on Jun 25, 2024 13:32:37 GMT -5
Matthew 10 came from the Faith Mission John Govan founder in 1895 NOT from William Irvine own idea. William Irvine and the early 2x2 workers got the Mathew 10 from John Govan the Faith Mission. John Govan, William Irvine and 2x2 workers got the idea from Jesus Christ who started Matthew 10 back 2000 years ago. The RCC was part of the true church just like the Vaudois Christian back in 67 AD. The RCC went off the tracks when they incorporate pagans practices, rituals, false doctrines into their church to bring in more converts. They made turned their sect into pagans religion mixed with Christianity READ WHAT John the apostle had foretold about them in Rev. chapters 17-18. The Vaudois Christians were Paul’s own converts in Rome kept true to Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry for 1800 years insisted of the RCC horrific persecution and seeking to wipe them off the map so, they can be the ONLY true church of God on earth. However, God has preserved Christ New Test. Church through the Vaudois for 1800 years READ Rev. chapters 11-12 God and Christ revealed it to John the apostle, he saw the future and wrote it for us to understand it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaldensiansPerhaps I'm misunderstanding. I can't find anywhere that the Vaudois went 2x2 out into the world.
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 25, 2024 14:04:59 GMT -5
Matthew 10 came from the Faith Mission John Govan founder in 1895 NOT from William Irvine own idea. William Irvine and the early 2x2 workers got the Mathew 10 from John Govan the Faith Mission. John Govan, William Irvine and 2x2 workers got the idea from Jesus Christ who started Matthew 10 back 2000 years ago. The RCC was part of the true church just like the Vaudois Christian back in 67 AD. The RCC went off the tracks when they incorporate pagans practices, rituals, false doctrines into their church to bring in more converts. They made turned their sect into pagans religion mixed with Christianity READ WHAT John the apostle had foretold about them in Rev. chapters 17-18. The Vaudois Christians were Paul’s own converts in Rome kept true to Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry for 1800 years insisted of the RCC horrific persecution and seeking to wipe them off the map so, they can be the ONLY true church of God on earth. However, God has preserved Christ New Test. Church through the Vaudois for 1800 years READ Rev. chapters 11-12 God and Christ revealed it to John the apostle, he saw the future and wrote it for us to understand it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaldensiansPerhaps I'm misunderstanding. I can't find anywhere that the Vaudois went 2x2 out into the world. You need to go to the Pilgrim Church written by Broadbent on line google it. I posted that link on here for 10 years. Read chapter V He described their church history back to Paul the apostle when he was in a prisoner in Rome to appear before Nero the emperor, who later behead him in 67 A.D . There was a great numbers of Paul’s converts from Rome, and it they who fled to France later known as the Vaudois Christians. They were persecuted by their Roman Catholic fellow Christians, who incoperated pagans religions, teachings, belief within their sect. On this pilgrim church chapter V you will read their 2x2 apostolic going Two and Two, the older preacher with a younger/junior, they stay in the homes of their followers. The preachers don’t have regular jobs, their converts provide all their natural needs just like the 2x2 workers. It’s very fascinating! Reading about their belief and they believe in the Godhead/Trinity; conventions annually and so on….
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 25, 2024 22:44:59 GMT -5
Matthew 10 came from the Faith Mission John Govan founder in 1895 NOT from William Irvine own idea. William Irvine and the early 2x2 workers got the Mathew 10 from John Govan the Faith Mission. John Govan, William Irvine and 2x2 workers got the idea from Jesus Christ who started Matthew 10 back 2000 years ago. The RCC was part of the true church just like the Vaudois Christian back in 67 AD. The RCC went off the tracks when they incorporate pagans practices, rituals, false doctrines into their church to bring in more converts. They made turned their sect into pagans religion mixed with Christianity READ WHAT John the apostle had foretold about them in Rev. chapters 17-18. The Vaudois Christians were Paul’s own converts in Rome kept true to Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry for 1800 years insisted of the RCC horrific persecution and seeking to wipe them off the map so, they can be the ONLY true church of God on earth. However, God has preserved Christ New Test. Church through the Vaudois for 1800 years READ Rev. chapters 11-12 God and Christ revealed it to John the apostle, he saw the future and wrote it for us to understand it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaldensiansPerhaps I'm misunderstanding. I can't find anywhere that the Vaudois went 2x2 out into the world. He just imagined that. It was "revealed" to him.
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Post by fixit on Jun 25, 2024 23:15:03 GMT -5
I have studied Cherie’s own theory or spin and those like her website for over 23 years Matthew 10 started by William Irvine experiment in 1897 is false thinking and belief. Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Test ministry and fellowship have preserved by God, Christ and the Holy Spirit for 2000 years! The Faith Mission and 2x2s workers are NOT the ONLY ones are doing it for the last 125 years. Can you provide evidence of the itinerant ministry and fellowship in 1880?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 25, 2024 23:22:11 GMT -5
You don't know your Christian Church history, but are entitled to your opinion. All 34,000 denominations are a break away from the original Christian Catholic Church. The 2x2's were a breakaway from Faith Mission. They just introduced their own ideas, to try and get market share, that makes good business sense. Choosing a Church is just like buying a car, you choose the brand that takes your fancy. All cars do the same thing, take you from point A, to point B. But you can also choose not to use a car and use public transport. So there is never a right way and a wrong way, all do the same thing, just trying new ideas to capture the market. “Variety's the spice of life, that gives it all its flavour.” Just read, Preserving the Truth: The Church Without a Name and Its Founder, William Irvine Book by Cherie Kropp-Ehrig. That will wise you up on the history of the 2x2 Church, an accurate true account without 2x2 spin. Referenced by documentary evidence, not spin. Yes, I have studied Cherie’s own theory or spin and those like her website for over 23 years Matthew 10 started by William Irvine experiment in 1897 is false thinking and belief. Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Test ministry and fellowship have preserved by God, Christ and the Holy Spirit for 2000 years! The Faith Mission and 2x2s workers are NOT the ONLY ones are doing it for the last 125 years. The overseers CSA blunders for NOT handling it correctly, which have made many 2x2s left the fellowship with Cherie own theory or incomplete understanding of Jesus 2x2 apostolic/workers Itinerant ministry for the last 2000 years. Cherie has focused just on William Irvine beginning of Matthew 10 and ignored 1900 years of Paul’s own converts the Vaudois Christians, who had followed Jesus Christ going in faith trusting in God to provide for their needs through their own followers most of the time like God and Christ had set it up 2000 years ago. Jesus taught the apostles in Matthew 6 Seek/preach ye first the kingdom of God and all yours needs shall be provided…. Jesus words are true the apostles/workers all theirs needs have been provide by the friends so, they preach the gospel without charge. Labelling Cheries careful and time consuming history of the cult you are in as theory or spin is really rich coming from someone like you who repeats the lies of Fwank Stranges. Did you learn to lie when you were in the work or is that a skill you have always had?
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Post by help on Jun 25, 2024 23:41:19 GMT -5
That was the main problem with the 2x2 Church, all the focus was on and about Workers. So much talk about 2x2, without script and purse, celibate, gave up all, etc. More time was spent preaching about "The Perfect Way" instead of the Christian message of Christ. And laity put Workers on a pedestal. What a big mistake, when the truth came out it destroyed peoples faith completely.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 25, 2024 23:44:32 GMT -5
As I have said in the past, it is a Ministry that preaches itself, and a laity that worships the way it worships.
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Post by fixit on Jun 26, 2024 5:06:14 GMT -5
As I have said in the past, it is a Ministry that preaches itself, and a laity that worships the way it worships. The laity worships what the ministry preaches.
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Post by tulip2 on Jun 26, 2024 7:30:10 GMT -5
That was the main problem with the 2x2 Church, all the focus was on and about Workers. So much talk about 2x2, without script and purse, celibate, gave up all, etc. More time was spent preaching about "The Perfect Way" instead of the Christian message of Christ. And laity put Workers on a pedestal. What a big mistake, when the truth came out it destroyed peoples faith completely. All 2x2 workers are lay preachers. No difference between them and the rest of the 2x2 laity. And if they are genuine Christian believers, all (both lay worker preachers and the rest of the laity) are indwelt by God's holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). So the lay workers are no more special in terms of God's promised gift from all the rest. Likely some of those workers have been fooled by others or by themselves into thinking they are specially gifted or privileged in knowing God's truth. The laity who have swallowed that false teaching are simply foolish (Jesus "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."). Spot on, help!
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 26, 2024 8:02:33 GMT -5
Yes, I have studied Cherie’s own theory or spin and those like her website for over 23 years Matthew 10 started by William Irvine experiment in 1897 is false thinking and belief. Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Test ministry and fellowship have preserved by God, Christ and the Holy Spirit for 2000 years! The Faith Mission and 2x2s workers are NOT the ONLY ones are doing it for the last 125 years. The overseers CSA blunders for NOT handling it correctly, which have made many 2x2s left the fellowship with Cherie own theory or incomplete understanding of Jesus 2x2 apostolic/workers Itinerant ministry for the last 2000 years. Cherie has focused just on William Irvine beginning of Matthew 10 and ignored 1900 years of Paul’s own converts the Vaudois Christians, who had followed Jesus Christ going in faith trusting in God to provide for their needs through their own followers most of the time like God and Christ had set it up 2000 years ago. Jesus taught the apostles in Matthew 6 Seek/preach ye first the kingdom of God and all yours needs shall be provided…. Jesus words are true the apostles/workers all theirs needs have been provide by the friends so, they preach the gospel without charge. Labelling Cheries careful and time consuming history of the cult you are in as theory or spin is really rich coming from someone like you who repeats the lies of Fwank Stranges. Did you learn to lie when you were in the work or is that a skill you have always had? No lies! I am telling 100% Truth. You are entitled to your own opinion on what to believe but don’t say I didn’t warn you about these things in the Judgment day before God and Christ. Here is the warning from the apostle Paul before Jesus 2nd coming to happen … Read II Thess 2:1-14.
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 26, 2024 8:15:04 GMT -5
That was the main problem with the 2x2 Church, all the focus was on and about Workers. So much talk about 2x2, without script and purse, celibate, gave up all, etc. More time was spent preaching about "The Perfect Way" instead of the Christian message of Christ. And laity put Workers on a pedestal. What a big mistake, when the truth came out it destroyed peoples faith completely. You need to read and Understand God’s New Test. order for His kingdom on earth Eph. 4:11-14 First apostles-workers; prophets; evangelists; teachers; pastors… Romans 1:1;7 First apostles/Preachers then the saints/the followers of Christ. Both callings are important to fill, each calling has great responsibilities to fill in God’s kingdom on earth. The apostles to leave all behind to concentrate in preaching the gospel and caring for the lambs and sheep of God. The followers of Christ to support and help the ministry in all they can. Just like in the Old Test. Levitical priesthood selected by God to interceded the sins of people before God, offer animals sacrifices before God and so on, from the tribe of Levi and the other 11 tribes to provide foods and everything for the tribe of Levi. The New Test. and Old Test. Ministry are very similar in their operations the tribe of Levi to care for the temple of God, ceremonials, rituals, and animals sacrifices to God for the sins of the people. The people of God/11 tribes to provide all of the things they need as God asked of them to fulfill. God the Father tells Jesus Christ what He wants him to do and he relays the message to the apostles, then the apostles pass it on the followers of Jesus. That is God’s Order of the New Testament covenant with God’s people and Jesus apostles/workers to follow and NOT to stray from it.
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 26, 2024 9:09:31 GMT -5
I have studied Cherie’s own theory or spin and those like her website for over 23 years Matthew 10 started by William Irvine experiment in 1897 is false thinking and belief. Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Test ministry and fellowship have preserved by God, Christ and the Holy Spirit for 2000 years! The Faith Mission and 2x2s workers are NOT the ONLY ones are doing it for the last 125 years. Can you provide evidence of the itinerant ministry and fellowship in 1880? Yes, the Faith Mission, I believe in book written by one of the friends Dr. J. the Apostles Fellowship and Doctrines= through the centuries. He listed many Christians groups through the centuries that practice Jesus Christ 2x2 Itinerant ministry to the time of the Faith Mission and 2x2. It seems the Faith Mission is no longer sending their preacher going forth 2 and 2 anymore! They have Bible college now to train their preachers. I believe the 2x2s workers are the ONLY group is following Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic New Testament ministry and fellowship like in the 1st century. Let me know if you find any Christian sect or group in the world today, that is following Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and Sunday worship gathering celebrating the Eucharists/emblems.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 26, 2024 14:17:55 GMT -5
"You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all of the time," is a remark by Abraham Lincoln. Many were fooled by the 2x2 line, "From the shores of Galilee", including our Parents. But of course untruths will always come back and bite you on the bum. It’s a historical documents fact Jesus 2x2 New Testament apostolic/workers Itinerant ministry and fellowship has ALWAYS been on the earth. Jesus has foretold about God the Father 2x2 apostolic/workers will always be on the earth and to the time of His returns. Mathew 16: 18-19; Matthew 24:14; 29-31: Matthew 28: 16-20 Acts 1:6-11; Rev. chapters 11-12; Rev. 1:7-8; Jude 14-15. God and Christ do NOT lie or go back to their words of truth. If it's in the buybull it's not a fact. Mythology is mythology no matter how desperate you are to believe its empty promises.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 26, 2024 15:33:16 GMT -5
As I have said in the past, it is a Ministry that preaches itself, and a laity that worships the way it worships. The laity worships what the ministry preaches. And that too. Many a Sunday morning testimony reflects that. Anyone would think the Sunday morning had a Subject card with each line saying "Regurgitations"
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Post by snow on Jun 26, 2024 15:33:17 GMT -5
Can you provide evidence of the itinerant ministry and fellowship in 1880? Yes, the Faith Mission, I believe in book written by one of the friends Dr. J. the Apostles Fellowship and Doctrines= through the centuries. He listed many Christians groups through the centuries that practice Jesus Christ 2x2 Itinerant ministry to the time of the Faith Mission and 2x2. It seems the Faith Mission is no longer sending their preacher going forth 2 and 2 anymore! They have Bible college now to train their preachers. I believe the 2x2s workers are the ONLY group is following Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic New Testament ministry and fellowship like in the 1st century. Let me know if you find any Christian sect or group in the world today, that is following Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and Sunday worship gathering celebrating the Eucharists/emblems. Nathan, the Faith mission was never anything other than a facility that trained missionaries. They didn't go out 2x2. However, you are right about the Waldenses going out in 2's. That was based on what Jesus did with sending the 70 apparently. Here is a site that gives more information on the subject. Since the group still exists you can't say that their existence proves that the 2x2's have been in existence since the shores of Galilee. Just because other groups had similar traits, does not take away from the fact that the 2x2 movement was started by William Irvine. He just took some of their system and made it his own and added some of his own thoughts too, to make a whole new group. amnetwork.uk/resource/introducing-the-waldensians/(2) Church structure. There was emphasis on the priesthood of all believers, men and women. The role of the preachers was crucial for the movement, but these leaders were not ordained, nor generally regarded as belonging to a separate class of Christians, nor ranked in any kind of hierarchy. They were committed to a life of celibacy, travelling and poverty, dependent for their support on the gifts of members of the movement. Once trained, they were sent out in pairs to visit scattered groups. Those who were not preachers remained in their homes and jobs, devoting time to Bible study and nurturing their faith in secret. They collected support for the preachers, ran training schools in their homes and, where they could, tried to draw others into the movement.
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Post by fixit on Jun 26, 2024 15:41:18 GMT -5
Can you provide evidence of the itinerant ministry and fellowship in 1880? Yes, the Faith Mission, I believe in book written by one of the friends Dr. J. the Apostles Fellowship and Doctrines= through the centuries. He listed many Christians groups through the centuries that practice Jesus Christ 2x2 Itinerant ministry to the time of the Faith Mission and 2x2. It seems the Faith Mission is no longer sending their preacher going forth 2 and 2 anymore! They have Bible college now to train their preachers. I believe the 2x2s workers are the ONLY group is following Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic New Testament ministry and fellowship like in the 1st century. Let me know if you find any Christian sect or group in the world today, that is following Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and Sunday worship gathering celebrating the Eucharists/emblems. My question was: Can you provide evidence of the itinerant ministry and fellowship in 1880?
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 26, 2024 16:06:47 GMT -5
Yes, the Faith Mission, I believe in book written by one of the friends Dr. J. the Apostles Fellowship and Doctrines= through the centuries. He listed many Christians groups through the centuries that practice Jesus Christ 2x2 Itinerant ministry to the time of the Faith Mission and 2x2. It seems the Faith Mission is no longer sending their preacher going forth 2 and 2 anymore! They have Bible college now to train their preachers. I believe the 2x2s workers are the ONLY group is following Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic New Testament ministry and fellowship like in the 1st century. Let me know if you find any Christian sect or group in the world today, that is following Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and Sunday worship gathering celebrating the Eucharists/emblems. My question was: Can you provide evidence of the itinerant ministry and fellowship in 1880? Yes, I told you the Faith Mission 1895 their workers, going two and two, Matthew 10 was one their foundation teachings. It’s written in Dr. J. Book at the end on the Faith Mission group belief and teachings. The 2x2 workers copied the Faith Mission preachers going 2x2 or in pairs like Jesus had sent the 12, 70 and Barnabas and Paul, Paul and Timothy, Paul and Silas. They sometimes go alone, or threesomes.
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Post by fixit on Jun 26, 2024 16:17:49 GMT -5
My question was: Can you provide evidence of the itinerant ministry and fellowship in 1880? Yes, I told you the Faith Mission 1895 their workers, going two and two, Matthew 10 was one their foundation teachings. It’s written in Dr. J. Book at the end on the Faith Mission group belief and teachings. The 2x2 workers copied the Faith Mission preachers going 2x2 or in pairs like Jesus had sent the 12, 70 and Barnabas and Paul, Paul and Timothy, Paul and Silas. They sometimes go alone, or threesomes. My question was: Can you provide evidence of the itinerant ministry and fellowship in 1880?
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 26, 2024 17:00:06 GMT -5
Yes, I told you the Faith Mission 1895 their workers, going two and two, Matthew 10 was one their foundation teachings. It’s written in Dr. J. Book at the end on the Faith Mission group belief and teachings. The 2x2 workers copied the Faith Mission preachers going 2x2 or in pairs like Jesus had sent the 12, 70 and Barnabas and Paul, Paul and Timothy, Paul and Silas. They sometimes go alone, or threesomes. My question was: Can you provide evidence of the itinerant ministry and fellowship in 1880? Opps, sorry… I believe the Vaudois or Waldenses or those like them were still around in 1800s. According to Vaudois Christians church history they existed from 68 AD- 1800s.
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Post by fixit on Jun 26, 2024 17:22:04 GMT -5
My question was: Can you provide evidence of the itinerant ministry and fellowship in 1880? Opps, sorry… I believe the Vaudois or Waldenses or those like them were still around in 1800s. According to Vaudois Christians church history they existed from 68 AD- 1800s. So if a seeking soul in New York in 1880 was looking for 2x2 preachers, where would they have found them?
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Post by nathan2 on Jun 26, 2024 19:04:38 GMT -5
Opps, sorry… I believe the Vaudois or Waldenses or those like them were still around in 1800s. According to Vaudois Christians church history they existed from 68 AD- 1800s. So if a seeking soul in New York in 1880 was looking for 2x2 preachers, where would they have found them? God knows people hearts and the conditions of their hearts and God and Christ will judge them accordingly. Here is a true story that I heard about this professing couple, their grand mother had told them to look for two preachers going forth like Jesus had sent them in Bible. After the death of the grand mother, one day two workers came to their town holding gospel meetings and they remembered the words of their mother about two preachers going like Jesus had sent out his apostles. They attended the meetings and professed. So, in the judgment day God knew the condition of the grandmother’s heart that if she was alive, she would recognize the two workers were the servants of God and accept them gladly and willingly. We leave that judgment to God and Christ. Many people might NOT get to meet the workers while they were alive but God knows the condition of their hearts so, we leave that to God. In the book of Acts 2 At the Pentecost God had foretold the day is coming when God’s true people and servants will fill the earth with the gospel, and He will lead people to them or the seekers will find them. In my case out of a tiny island of Guam in the Pacific Ocean God lead me to the workers, when they were having Bible studies on the University campus lawn in 1978-79. A seeking soul will always a seeking Savior. God knows where we are and He will find the lost sheep to bring it to the ONE fold, to be fed, nourished, strengthen with other sheep in the same pen for fellowship and protection from the wolves.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 26, 2024 19:55:06 GMT -5
So if a seeking soul in New York in 1880 was looking for 2x2 preachers, where would they have found them? God knows people hearts and the conditions of their hearts and God and Christ will judge them accordingly. Here is a true story that I heard about this professing couple, their grand mother had told them to look for two preachers going forth like Jesus had sent them in Bible. After the death of the grand mother, one day two workers came to their town holding gospel meetings and they remembered the words of their mother about two preachers going like Jesus had sent out his apostles. They attended the meetings and professed. So, in the judgment day God knew the condition of the grandmother’s heart that if she was alive, she would recognize the two workers were the servants of God and accept them gladly and willingly. We leave that judgment to God and Christ. Many people might NOT get to meet the workers while they were alive but God knows the condition of their hearts so, we leave that to God. In the book of Acts 2 At the Pentecost God had foretold the day is coming when God’s true people and servants will fill the earth with the gospel, and He will lead people to them or the seekers will find them. In my case out of a tiny island of Guam in the Pacific Ocean God lead me to the workers, when they were having Bible studies on the University campus lawn in 1978-79. A seeking soul will always a seeking Savior. God knows where we are and He will find the lost sheep to bring it to the ONE fold, to be fed, nourished, strengthen with other sheep in the same pen for fellowship and protection from the wolves. This has been a recording.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 26, 2024 19:59:01 GMT -5
So if a seeking soul in New York in 1880 was looking for 2x2 preachers, where would they have found them? God knows people hearts and the conditions of their hearts and God and Christ will judge them accordingly. Here is a true story that I heard about this professing couple, their grand mother had told them to look for two preachers going forth like Jesus had sent them in Bible. After the death of the grand mother, one day two workers came to their town holding gospel meetings and they remembered the words of their mother about two preachers going like Jesus had sent out his apostles. They attended the meetings and professed. So, in the judgment day God knew the condition of the grandmother’s heart that if she was alive, she would recognize the two workers were the servants of God and accept them gladly and willingly. We leave that judgment to God and Christ. Many people might NOT get to meet the workers while they were alive but God knows the condition of their hearts so, we leave that to God. In the book of Acts 2 At the Pentecost God had foretold the day is coming when God’s true people and servants will fill the earth with the gospel, and He will lead people to them or the seekers will find them. In my case out of a tiny island of Guam in the Pacific Ocean God lead me to the workers, when they were having Bible studies on the University campus lawn in 1978-79. A seeking soul will always a seeking Savior. God knows where we are and He will find the lost sheep to bring it to the ONE fold, to be fed, nourished, strengthen with other sheep in the same pen for fellowship and protection from the wolves. So at present, of the billions on earth, only about 75,000 plus a few random people that pray to one day look for preachers going out two by two will get to the promised land?
As for, God knows their hearts - that is the usual cop out line when someone cannot answer.
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Post by fixit on Jun 26, 2024 20:02:56 GMT -5
God knows where we are and He will find the lost sheep to bring it to the ONE fold, to be fed, nourished, strengthen with other sheep in the same pen for fellowship and protection from the wolves. I think we can agree that God will lead people into protection from the wolves.
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Post by fixit on Jun 26, 2024 22:06:04 GMT -5
Here is a true story that I heard about this professing couple, their grand mother had told them to look for two preachers going forth like Jesus had sent them in Bible. After the death of the grand mother, one day two workers came to their town holding gospel meetings and they remembered the words of their mother about two preachers going like Jesus had sent out his apostles. They attended the meetings and professed. So, in the judgment day God knew the condition of the grandmother’s heart that if she was alive, she would recognize the two workers were the servants of God and accept them gladly and willingly. We leave that judgment to God and Christ. Do you think getting around in twos is the fruits Jesus spoke of? Matthew 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
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