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Post by elizabethcoleman on May 31, 2023 21:09:19 GMT -5
I must admit I've never looked at those stats - wow! But yes, that is about right, though it seems slightly high. I sell about 30-50 a month. Though the majority of that sales amount goes into the pockets of the printers, then Amazon... Years ago I started writing a mountaineering guide for part of the NZ Alps but handed the task over to a couple of others as I had too much on my plate at the time. It was eventually published and is proving very useful. The authors hardly made anyhing out of it and it could be seen as a labour of love rather than a money making venture. I suspect that is a bit like yours. That is GREAT! Really wonderful it finally got out there. Yes, writing a book is a huge task. I starting blogging a travel journal on a trip around Oz a few years ago which came a bit popular online. I need to turn that into a book! Yeah, very little income on writing a book - unless you're JKRowling!
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Post by internationalstudies on May 31, 2023 21:27:40 GMT -5
A poster who is not a '2x2er' (and pulls no punches about that) makes this succinct observation of you and your posting on this forum: and ....and you have the audacity to suggest 'a serious discussion about Christian doctrine one day'. I'll pull faces all right !
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Post by elizabethcoleman on May 31, 2023 22:13:52 GMT -5
A poster who is not a '2x2er' (and pulls no punches about that) makes this succinct observation of you and your posting on this forum: and ....and you have the audacity to suggest 'a serious discussion about Christian doctrine one day'. I'll pull faces all right ! Still can't answer for yourself, I see. Have to resort to parroting others? I could make a posting of everything others have said about you on here (haven't found anything positive yet), but who has that kind of time? Plus, I prefer to speak for myself. 1. False accusation: themaninthemirror DID lambast Sheri, Cynthia and Lauren [Clarification on John vanDenBerg AFTT; 19 May 2023] for not reporting an alleged perpetrator earlier. These women have been working outside the Two-by-Twos, as unpaid volunteers, in their own time to bring perpetrators to justice because workers have failed to do so for DECADES. They are under absolutely no obligation to do so. Criticizing them, and making them responsible for the workers' crimes, is insulting and ridiculous. I completely stand by my statement, he did lambast them for CSA/SA issues, it is NOT a false accusation. Somehow he thinks they should be more responsible than the workers actually responsible. I do not follow his logic. Especially since they've been dealing with over a 1,000 reports against hundreds of perpetrators in less than 5 months. What has HE been doing? Heading up a voluntary organisation with his own time and resources? I doubt it. 2. False accusation: themaninthemirror DID keep defending workers who actually run the system and Do know what's been going on. He told ChineseWhispers to "Stop with the baseless accusations" (that MA and MH are covering for each other). You will find that several other TMB posters corrected him on this - it is a true statement that they have been covering for each other [Walter Berkinshaw thread; 20 May 2023]. If you want to defend ManintheMirrors untrue "false accusations", go for it. But I suspect you didn't investigate or evaluate at all, did you?
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Post by internationalstudies on May 31, 2023 22:27:55 GMT -5
Elizabeth, A rather long winded and clumsy attempt at justifying yourself.. It hasn't removed 'the face I pull'; at the thought of trying to have 'a serious discussion about Christian doctrine' with you. Have another shot here and then run away to other threads where you can shine your agenda and spirit 'brightly and gloriously there'. 👋
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Post by elizabethcoleman on May 31, 2023 22:50:30 GMT -5
Elizabeth, A rather long winded and clumsy attempt at justifying yourself.. It hasn't removed 'the face I pull'; at the thought of trying to have 'a serious discussion about Christian doctrine' with you. Have another shot here and then run away to other threads where you can shine your agenda and spirit 'brightly and gloriously there'. 👋 Hmm, so you do agree with the lambasting of Sheri, Cynthia and Lauren. You do think they should be more responsible than the workers over CSA crimes not being reported. And you do think that MA and MH covering for each other are "baseless accusations". Interesting...
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Post by fixit on May 31, 2023 23:02:48 GMT -5
Elizabeth, A rather long winded and clumsy attempt at justifying yourself.. It hasn't removed 'the face I pull'; at the thought of trying to have 'a serious discussion about Christian doctrine' with you. Have another shot here and then run away to other threads where you can shine your agenda and spirit 'brightly and gloriously there'. 👋 We know about your spirit but what is your agenda?
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Post by Pragmatic on May 31, 2023 23:34:40 GMT -5
So you are saying that Elizabeth's statements of (1) and (2) are wrong? True or False. Yes or No.
Seemed pretty straightforward to me.
Her questions to you are a logical progression. Why don't you answer them.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 31, 2023 23:37:47 GMT -5
Elizabeth, A rather long winded and clumsy attempt at justifying yourself.. It hasn't removed 'the face I pull'; at the thought of trying to have 'a serious discussion about Christian doctrine' with you. Have another shot here and then run away to other threads where you can shine your agenda and spirit 'brightly and gloriously there'. 👋 We know about your spirit but what is your agenda? Good shot fixit, Elizabeth appreciates your support, friends (you and prags and many many many others) who, to quote : "understand the true message and gospel of Christ, and recognise that she does too."
You are normally up with Elizabeth on thinking of some scripture to support your story line; but not this time.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 31, 2023 23:58:47 GMT -5
Fixit and prags, Elizabeth has kindly and graciously offered a serious discussion of Christian doctrine. I'm too deluded and deep in cultish 2 x 2 error for it have any use for me. You guys are both a bit more enlightened. You could benefit from it? I feel you two have the mind to be able to accept and benefit by what she will share with you.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jun 1, 2023 0:01:22 GMT -5
We know about your spirit but what is your agenda? Good shot fixit, Elizabeth appreciates your support, friends (you and prags and many many many others) who, to quote : "understand the true message and gospel of Christ, and recognise that she does too."
You are normally up with Elizabeth on thinking of some scripture to support your story line; but not this time. Which really begs the question - what is the gospel you believe, IS? (And the scripture to support it?)
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Post by Dan on Jun 1, 2023 0:57:33 GMT -5
Fixit and prags, Elizabeth has kindly and graciously offered a serious discussion of Christian doctrine. I'm too deluded and deep in cultish 2 x 2 error for it have any use for me. You guys are both a bit more enlightened. You could benefit from it? I feel you two have the mind to be able to accept and benefit by what she will share with you.
To me, religious doctrine is often a configuration of scripture lawyers. They differ because they interpret (exploit) certain passages to distinguish themselves from other denominations, e.g; The Amish run with the verse that says 'Come ye out and be ye separate' (2 Corinthians 6:17). But imo, the greatest commandment (Matthew 22:37) embodies what its all about. That's our purpose/test and is what we're here for. The details are less important than keeping the greatest commandment.
About 6 and a half minutes
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Post by internationalstudies on Jun 1, 2023 0:59:18 GMT -5
Good shot fixit, Elizabeth appreciates your support, friends (you and prags and many many many others) who, to quote : "understand the true message and gospel of Christ, and recognise that she does too."
You are normally up with Elizabeth on thinking of some scripture to support your story line; but not this time. Which really begs the question - what is the gospel you believe, IS? (And the scripture to support it?) The Gospel of Jesus Christ I believe is supported by the same Bible and Scriptures that are used in your unidentified non lutheran church. The difference being as you've proudly expressed here many many times here on TMB is that you have right understanding of them and have Christ. You have sound exclusive Christian doctrine giving damning evidence of the countless errors of the 2x2 cult workers and friends.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jun 1, 2023 1:05:24 GMT -5
Which really begs the question - what is the gospel you believe, IS? (And the scripture to support it?) The Gospel of Jesus Christ I believe is supported by the same Bible and Scriptures that are used in your unidentified non lutheran church. The difference being as you've proudly expressed here many many times here on TMB is that you have right understanding of them and have Christ. You have sound exclusive Christian doctrine giving damning evidence of the countless errors of the 2x2 cult workers and friends. So as a minister of the gospel, this is the only vague answer you can give to anyone who asks you the way to eternal life? Yes, there is much damning evidence against the 2x2 cult system. At last we agree on something.
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Post by tulip2 on Jun 1, 2023 5:09:20 GMT -5
I would add another group in here. There are some who are "exclusive", but they are not proud or self-righteous. They genuinely are upset when someone 'loses out' and their tears are real. Years of brainwashing has this effect, and it is common in similar groups, and even some Eastern religions. You see the effect proselytising has on a Jew or Muslim, for example. I feel so sorry for these people, and some are intellectually quite clever, and hold professional careers. I know of a couple, lovely people, who years later still shed tears about their daughter who 'turned aside', and reference their anguish in meeting prayers from time to time. They probably don't want to know the events that are rocking the ship at present, because it might be more than they can take. I really feel for them. But an Ostrich has to pull it's own head out of the sand.
I think I see another group within the group of F&W. Just like it's a human tendency to transform or imagine God as having a character that we're quite comfortable and happy with, rather than acknowledging and knowing God as he is, this group imagines - to the extent of firmly believing in - a way to God that they're very happy and contented with. It's a way that satisfies a certain type of person. A person who is quite content to have a human authority figure above them, telling them that this is the way to get to heaven. It's easy, just follow the edicts of these authority figures. And very humanly satisfying, if by doing what these authority figures dictate, one gets accolades and pats on the back, and status in the group. And there's the added bonus that these type of people believe very firmly that if they stay within this approval of the authority figures, they will end in heaven but everyone else misses out - great for human pride and that sense of superiority. The only downside is having to meet the conditions laid down by these authority figures. Sometimes quite onerous, but the benefits of status and pats on the back from the people who matter certainly make up for the effort. And of course, you can have it all by a little bit of cunning sneakiness. This group within the F&W group is probably becoming relatively large, because these type of people actually WANT what the group rules offer, so they're not likely to rock the boat or leave it all in a hurry. And any who do start to think and question risk losing favor of men very quickly. A big disincentive, losing that status that has meant everything to them for so long. They will have seen (even participated in) the shunning and humiliation of those who follow faithfully the God of the scriptures, with no need for any middle-man. We can easily dismiss these weak fools as getting what they want, the only losers being themselves through this life and what awaits. But they are not the only victims, sadly. We're all too aware that the previous groups mentioned by Pragmatic and others in this thread contain some very sincere and genuine folk, mislead by those who actually want what following the group mentality gives in human satisfaction. And as we're seeing so vividly, it creates the group conditions that allow the abhorrent crime of sexual abuse of children. Hardly victimless. I'd go so far as to call this group out as adherents of spiritual wickedness.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jun 1, 2023 5:42:47 GMT -5
About 6 and a half minutes
Dan said: To me, religious doctrine is often a configuration of scripture lawyers. They differ because they interpret (exploit) certain passages to distinguish themselves from other denominations, e.g; The Amish run with the verse that says 'Come ye out and be ye separate' (2 Corinthians 6:17). But imo, the greatest commandment (Matthew 22:37) embodies what its all about. That's our purpose/test and is what we're here for. The details are less important than keeping the greatest commandment. Thanks for that reminder Dan. "configuration of scripture lawyers", I like that. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
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Post by snow on Jun 1, 2023 13:36:38 GMT -5
Fixit and prags, Elizabeth has kindly and graciously offered a serious discussion of Christian doctrine. I'm too deluded and deep in cultish 2 x 2 error for it have any use for me. You guys are both a bit more enlightened. You could benefit from it? I feel you two have the mind to be able to accept and benefit by what she will share with you. Why are you playing the victim? I don't understand you. We are here not to discuss Christian values at the moment. We are here to try and find solutions to keep children safe. We are all on the same page about that, atheists, ex 2x2's, professing 2x2's, workers, ex workers. So what if some people don't see value in the 2x2 group, why do you feel such a strong need to defend it? It's not where you worship, it's who you worship as far as I can understand. What are some of your ideas to bring solutions to this very important problem in your group? We don't need to be part of the 2x2 group to care about the people in it and especially the children in it. It's not the only group that has these problems, but it's the group that we focus on here because we all were once part of the group, or still are.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jun 1, 2023 15:04:00 GMT -5
The Gospel of Jesus Christ I believe is supported by the same Bible and Scriptures that are used in your unidentified non lutheran church. The difference being as you've proudly expressed here many many times here on TMB is that you have right understanding of them and have Christ. You have sound exclusive Christian doctrine giving damning evidence of the countless errors of the 2x2 cult workers and friends. So as a minister of the gospel, this is the only vague answer you can give to anyone who asks you the way to eternal life? Yes, there is much damning evidence against the 2x2 cult system. At last we agree on something. Elizabeth Get together with fixit for the 'serious discussion on Christian doctrine' that you've kindly and graciously offered to me. fixit who also knows 'there is much damning evidence against the 2x2 cult system YET, has hosted a 2x2 cult system Sunday morning meeting for donkey's years. Start your 'serious discussion on Christian doctrine' with the trinity and see how long his present support and being in agreement and chummy with you lasts.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jun 1, 2023 15:45:43 GMT -5
So as a minister of the gospel, this is the only vague answer you can give to anyone who asks you the way to eternal life? Yes, there is much damning evidence against the 2x2 cult system. At last we agree on something. Yes, yes so very true Elizabeth. Remembering also the 'damning evidence you provide against yourself' in your TMB posts. Just stifle any voice of conscience about this... and...then another bluster (with scripture quoted) attempt to defend and justify yourself again with another crack at the awful 2x2s. 🤷♂️
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jun 1, 2023 16:26:06 GMT -5
A poster who is not a '2x2er' (and pulls no punches about that) makes this succinct observation of you and your posting on this forum: and ....and you have the audacity to suggest 'a serious discussion about Christian doctrine one day'. I'll pull faces all right ! Still can't answer for yourself, I see. Have to resort to parroting others? I could make a posting of everything others have said about you on here (haven't found anything positive yet), but who has that kind of time? Plus, I prefer to speak for myself. 1. False accusation: themaninthemirror DID lambast Sheri, Cynthia and Lauren [Clarification on John vanDenBerg AFTT; 19 May 2023] for not reporting an alleged perpetrator earlier. These women have been working outside the Two-by-Twos, as unpaid volunteers, in their own time to bring perpetrators to justice because workers have failed to do so for DECADES. They are under absolutely no obligation to do so. Criticizing them, and making them responsible for the workers' crimes, is insulting and ridiculous. I completely stand by my statement, he did lambast them for CSA/SA issues, it is NOT a false accusation. Somehow he thinks they should be more responsible than the workers actually responsible. I do not follow his logic. Especially since they've been dealing with over a 1,000 reports against hundreds of perpetrators in less than 5 months. What has HE been doing? Heading up a voluntary organisation with his own time and resources? I doubt it. 2. False accusation: themaninthemirror DID keep defending workers who actually run the system and Do know what's been going on. He told ChineseWhispers to "Stop with the baseless accusations" (that MA and MH are covering for each other). You will find that several other TMB posters corrected him on this - it is a true statement that they have been covering for each other [Walter Berkinshaw thread; 20 May 2023]. If you want to defend ManintheMirrors untrue "false accusations", go for it. But I suspect you didn't investigate or evaluate at all, did you? You manage to spend a lot of your time and energy on this type of thing - but sure make excuses. 1. I asked a question, that isn't "criticizing harshly" the meaning of your word, unless you are super sensitive. What I did was question, if someone is a danger - why wait. I still stand by that comment - if you knew a CSA offender, would you sit on it? Answer that honestly. What a ridiculous thing to suggest that everything should be laid at the feet of "the workers", waken up! If CSA is a crime it gets placed to law enforcement, immediately. Have you learnt nothing? You can clean up the accountability issue later, but for goodness sake, I can't believe you said that. You have seen the workers don't deal with it and you go "to the workers". Unbelievable! Your accusation is still false. We both know your extreme anti-2x2 bias is coming in - even your response to me is tainted with something is it anger and emotions? because you perceive me to be something "2x2ish" and that puts you into a certain mode. Just remember you don't know me, and if you did you would know I am nothing like what you have in your head. 2. Once again you blatantly take out of context what I said, I said the baseless argument was that MA was covering CSA by MH and that MH was covering CSA by MA. Now if you are saying that both have committed CSA and you are aware of it and have done absolutely nothing, then I have lost all respect for you. Just to be clear, if you do have that knowledge I do expect you to get up off your backside and get onto a plane if this was true and sort it out immediately and I will join you. Instead of sitting on the sidelines cheering.
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Post by fixit on Jun 1, 2023 16:38:07 GMT -5
So as a minister of the gospel, this is the only vague answer you can give to anyone who asks you the way to eternal life? Yes, there is much damning evidence against the 2x2 cult system. At last we agree on something. Elizabeth Get together with fixit for the 'serious discussion on Christian doctrine' that you've kindly and graciously offered to me. fixit who also knows 'there is much damning evidence against the 2x2 cult system YET, has hosted a 2x2 cult system Sunday morning meeting for donkey's years. Start your 'serious discussion on Christian doctrine' with the trinity and see how long his present support and being in agreement and chummy with you lasts. Divide and rule is your MO. Elizabeth and fixit are aligned in our support for keeping the fellowship's children safe from sexual preditors. Are you?
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Post by internationalstudies on Jun 1, 2023 16:48:35 GMT -5
Elizabeth Get together with fixit for the 'serious discussion on Christian doctrine' that you've kindly and graciously offered to me. fixit who also knows 'there is much damning evidence against the 2x2 cult system YET, has hosted a 2x2 cult system Sunday morning meeting for donkey's years. Start your 'serious discussion on Christian doctrine' with the trinity and see how long his present support and being in agreement and chummy with you lasts. Divide and rule is your MO. Elizabeth and fixit are aligned in our support for keeping the fellowship's children safe from sexual preditors. Are you? You are correct you are aligned with Elizabeth, (in more than 'keeping the fellowship's children safe from sexual preditors")Your question, you are full of them! How about one for you for a change? How much longer do you feel you will be able to stomach the idolatrous places and practices you see in the 2x2 cult, which you facilitate by holding a Sunday meeting of theirs in your home?
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Post by fixit on Jun 1, 2023 17:54:01 GMT -5
Divide and rule is your MO. Elizabeth and fixit are aligned in our support for keeping the fellowship's children safe from sexual preditors. Are you? You are correct you are aligned with Elizabeth, (in more than 'keeping the fellowship's children safe from sexual preditors")Your question, you are full of them! How about one for you for a change? How much longer do you feel you will be able to stomach the idolatrous places and practices you see in the 2x2 cult, which you facilitate by holding a Sunday meeting of theirs in your home? Unlike you, I have never refered to the organisation as a cult. It has cult-like tendencies due to bullies like you, but I no longer allow them to dominate me. I don't facilitate the cult-like tendencies in any way. I call them out. The friends are looking for the fruit of the spirit in the workers. If they don't see it in you then you're on thin ice.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Jun 1, 2023 19:22:32 GMT -5
Still can't answer for yourself, I see. Have to resort to parroting others? I could make a posting of everything others have said about you on here (haven't found anything positive yet), but who has that kind of time? Plus, I prefer to speak for myself. 1. False accusation: themaninthemirror DID lambast Sheri, Cynthia and Lauren [Clarification on John vanDenBerg AFTT; 19 May 2023] for not reporting an alleged perpetrator earlier. These women have been working outside the Two-by-Twos, as unpaid volunteers, in their own time to bring perpetrators to justice because workers have failed to do so for DECADES. They are under absolutely no obligation to do so. Criticizing them, and making them responsible for the workers' crimes, is insulting and ridiculous. I completely stand by my statement, he did lambast them for CSA/SA issues, it is NOT a false accusation. Somehow he thinks they should be more responsible than the workers actually responsible. I do not follow his logic. Especially since they've been dealing with over a 1,000 reports against hundreds of perpetrators in less than 5 months. What has HE been doing? Heading up a voluntary organisation with his own time and resources? I doubt it. 2. False accusation: themaninthemirror DID keep defending workers who actually run the system and Do know what's been going on. He told ChineseWhispers to "Stop with the baseless accusations" (that MA and MH are covering for each other). You will find that several other TMB posters corrected him on this - it is a true statement that they have been covering for each other [Walter Berkinshaw thread; 20 May 2023]. If you want to defend ManintheMirrors untrue "false accusations", go for it. But I suspect you didn't investigate or evaluate at all, did you? You manage to spend a lot of your time and energy on this type of thing - but sure make excuses. 1. I asked a question, that isn't "criticizing harshly" the meaning of your word, unless you are super sensitive. What I did was question, if someone is a danger - why wait. I still stand by that comment - if you knew a CSA offender, would you sit on it? Answer that honestly. What a ridiculous thing to suggest that everything should be laid at the feet of "the workers", waken up! If CSA is a crime it gets placed to law enforcement, immediately. Have you learnt nothing? You can clean up the accountability issue later, but for goodness sake, I can't believe you said that. You have seen the workers don't deal with it and you go "to the workers". Unbelievable! Your accusation is still false. We both know your extreme anti-2x2 bias is coming in - even your response to me is tainted with something is it anger and emotions? because you perceive me to be something "2x2ish" and that puts you into a certain mode. Just remember you don't know me, and if you did you would know I am nothing like what you have in your head. 2. Once again you blatantly take out of context what I said, I said the baseless argument was that MA was covering CSA by MH and that MH was covering CSA by MA. Now if you are saying that both have committed CSA and you are aware of it and have done absolutely nothing, then I have lost all respect for you. Just to be clear, if you do have that knowledge I do expect you to get up off your backside and get onto a plane if this was true and sort it out immediately and I will join you. Instead of sitting on the sidelines cheering. You said : Why were allegations known in early 2023 and not reported prior to the alleged perpetrator going on a tour of Asia? This is not acceptable for those who knew, including Sheri. Why are we STILL in 2023, making it "the workers" responsibly for reporting sex crimes. THIS IS ALL OUR RESPONSIBILTY. Making the workers the ones responsible is beyond dangerous. I can assure you it was not only many workers aware of this, it was others. Friends, parents, Sheri - who else? If I was criminally assaulted at work, I can assure you I would inform my boss last and the police first.What did Sheri know? Back in January of 2023, Sheri Autrey was working on her case and was informed there had been child sex assault allegations against John. The allegations involved sex assault against a 14 year-old girl in Mexico in the early 2000's. This information was given by a very credible source who was close to the situation at the time. Since January 2023, it has been brought to our attention that at least ten workers knew of this particular alleged crime and allegedly participated in the cover up. [One in particular] was instrumental in preventing the reporting of John Vandenberg's alleged crimes to law enforcement.First of all, Sheri is investigating past acts purely as an investigative volunteer. She doesn't have any special powers. Secondly, the "14 year-old girl in Mexico in the early 2000's" would now be well and truly of age, and her permission and cooperation would be needed to take this to law. There is actually nothing Sheri could do immediately, she just came into possession of material which told her what happened decades ago. You seem to be under the impression that any one of us could simply march into a police station and say "a 14 year old girl in Mexico was allegedly sexually assaulted in the early 2000s" and the police would immediately send some kind of interntional task force across the world the find the perpetrator and lock them up. Sheri is doing all she can to stop this perpetrator here and now, but these things take time, evidence, corroboration, knowledge. Even armed with every kind of evidence, I can assure you the police would still take their sweet time, especially if it involved a perpetrator in another country. You said "making the workers the ones responsible is beyond dangerous". I totally agree, but doesn't change the fact that THE WORKERS are the ones criminally liable here, not Sheri. You seem to be laying the blame on Sheri equally, if not more than, the "at least ten workers" who KNEW and COVERED IT UP for decades previously. It happened in their organisation, under their watch, with their knowledge. Yes, making Sheri equally responsible in some way is ridiculous. The workers could have nipped this in the bud years ago, and prevented any further travel by the perpetrator. Sheri is simply trying to play catch-up years later and uncover what has happened. You said "This is not acceptable for those who knew, including Sheri". Yes, harsh criticism indeed, in the context and circumstances.
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Post by chuck on Jun 1, 2023 21:01:02 GMT -5
So as a minister of the gospel, this is the only vague answer you can give to anyone who asks you the way to eternal life? Yes, there is much damning evidence against the 2x2 cult system. At last we agree on something. Elizabeth Get together with fixit for the 'serious discussion on Christian doctrine' that you've kindly and graciously offered to me. fixit who also knows 'there is much damning evidence against the 2x2 cult system YET, has hosted a 2x2 cult system Sunday morning meeting for donkey's years. Start your 'serious discussion on Christian doctrine' with the trinity and see how long his present support and being in agreement and chummy with you lasts. Its the manner within how its hosted and it seems Fixit does not pander to the cultish behaviour or is a sycophant. You seem to have a problem with that and I can understand why, you have lived on a pedestal and are removed from reality with no real purpose in life other than to convert people to be like you.....you are what you worship....
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Post by chuck on Jun 1, 2023 21:14:38 GMT -5
Elizabeth Get together with fixit for the 'serious discussion on Christian doctrine' that you've kindly and graciously offered to me. fixit who also knows 'there is much damning evidence against the 2x2 cult system YET, has hosted a 2x2 cult system Sunday morning meeting for donkey's years. Start your 'serious discussion on Christian doctrine' with the trinity and see how long his present support and being in agreement and chummy with you lasts. Divide and rule is your MO. Elizabeth and fixit are aligned in our support for keeping the fellowship's children safe from sexual preditors. Are you? International doesn't understand unity, he like many others think unity is uniformity or sameness......or people like him.... All different types of people coming together concerned about abuse is unity in the Christ character. No religion required......
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Post by jwatt on Jun 1, 2023 22:21:37 GMT -5
Divide and rule is your MO. Elizabeth and fixit are aligned in our support for keeping the fellowship's children safe from sexual preditors. Are you? You are correct you are aligned with Elizabeth, (in more than 'keeping the fellowship's children safe from sexual preditors")Your question, you are full of them! How about one for you for a change? How much longer do you feel you will be able to stomach the idolatrous places and practices you see in the 2x2 cult, which you facilitate by holding a Sunday meeting of theirs in your home? Wow, what a bully! And I don't mean fixit. Good posts from Elizabeth, fixit and pragmatic.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 1, 2023 23:52:19 GMT -5
Divide and rule is your MO. Elizabeth and fixit are aligned in our support for keeping the fellowship's children safe from sexual preditors. Are you? You are correct you are aligned with Elizabeth, (in more than 'keeping the fellowship's children safe from sexual preditors")Your question, you are full of them! How about one for you for a change? How much longer do you feel you will be able to stomach the idolatrous places and practices you see in the 2x2 cult, which you facilitate by holding a Sunday meeting of theirs in your home? That almost sounds like a veiled threat.
Your language is that of an internet troll; an on-line bully who has an on-line persona that is different to the one he wants people to see in real life. Jekyll and Hyde?
As for maninthemirror, I don't see anti-2*2 bias in Elizabeth's posts. In fact I see her going to great lengths to do otherwise, and often referring to good people and workers in the church who are becoming enlightened. She does however call out the excesses, and also the problems in the church, as well as some structural issues that have helped enable the existing problems.
If it wasn't for people like Elizabeth, Ross, Sheri, Lauren and more, the excesses would continue, and so would CSA/SA. And that would mean more victims. How could someone not want to be on the right side of history? How could one criticise the work that is being done in this area?
I haven't seen evidence of her, or the others, wanting to dismantle the church.
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 2, 2023 0:29:51 GMT -5
You are correct you are aligned with Elizabeth, (in more than 'keeping the fellowship's children safe from sexual preditors")Your question, you are full of them! How about one for you for a change? How much longer do you feel you will be able to stomach the idolatrous places and practices you see in the 2x2 cult, which you facilitate by holding a Sunday meeting of theirs in your home? Wow, what a bully! And I don't mean fixit. Good posts from Elizabeth, fixit and pragmatic. Review is merciful and kind. If I was a worker I would have excommunicated the lot of them years ago for their defiance. Even in the Bible, John wrote of Diotrephes, the elder who "refused to acknowledge our authority"
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