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Post by internationalstudies on May 29, 2023 15:53:29 GMT -5
To be quite frank, your post makes me wonder something concerning you that I won't voice in this public post. If what you wonder is as embarrassing as what you write then please do keep it to yourself. No supporting Scripture for your pot shot this time? 🤔 🤷♂️. You have thing or two to learn yet from our Elizabeth. 'She's the girl' for quoting scripture in her outbursts. Her solemn truths, warnings, christian wishes and lovely benediction upon us 2x2 cult members . 😳 👍
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Post by fixit on May 29, 2023 18:14:34 GMT -5
If what you wonder is as embarrassing as what you write then please do keep it to yourself. No supporting Scripture for your pot shot this time? 🤔 🤷♂️. You have thing or two to learn yet from our Elizabeth. 'She's the girl' for quoting scripture in her outbursts. Her solemn truths, warnings, christian wishes and lovely benediction upon us 2x2 cult members . 😳 👍 Here's some words that come to mind when reading your posts. He dwells with the meek and the lowly; His counsel is sweet to their soul; The heart that is humble and contrite, The Saviour delights to control.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on May 29, 2023 18:41:27 GMT -5
Elizabeth with your strong hell condemnation recommendation for the 2x2s that you've given to your 'jesus' What hope for them? Only chance I see for them is to leave the cult and join a 'good' (non lutheran) church like your one. 🤷♂️ Glad you can finally see that the only chance for them is to have some true biblical leaders who teach biblical truth. Better than the blind leading the blind. Though you are completely mispresenting me as usual. I said: " More recently I have had the great blessing of coming into contact with members of the Two-by-twos who do understand the true message and gospel of Christ, and recognise that I do too."I didn't give a "strong hell condemnation recommendation for the 2x2s" at all. Quite the opposite. Those who actually believe in Jesus within the fellowship I have no fear for. Which part of that do you disagree with? Would you prefer they were just in the fellowship for tradition sake and had no real faith? Believing in a Jesus who is just a "perfect example" but ignoring the power of his death and resurrection? Keeping to dress and hair codes and looking righteous on the outside? These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules...Then the disciples came to him [Jesus] and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?” He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”You seem greatly offended whenever I quote scripture. Especially the words of Jesus. Yes, 'my' Jesus said very harsh things to religious leaders who were righteous in their own eyes. Who is your Jesus? What did he say?
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Post by internationalstudies on May 29, 2023 22:22:58 GMT -5
Elizabeth with your strong hell condemnation recommendation for the 2x2s that you've given to your 'jesus' What hope for them? Only chance I see for them is to leave the cult and join a 'good' (non lutheran) church like your one. 🤷♂️ More recently I have had the great blessing of coming into contact with members of the Two-by-twos who do understand the true message and gospel of Christ, and recognise that I do too."You are changing your tact/approach? Perhaps EVEN YOU have released that your anti 2x2 vitriol isn't going down so well in TMB? So now your new approach is claiming a few cheerleaders/approvals from 2x2 cultists themselves?! Tell us do they ''raise their eyebrows' a bit when dish up: The friends and workers do not believe ultimately in Jesus as the way of salvation, they believe in their ministry - a system – The Way of salvation. Take away the method of ministry, and what gospel remains for them? For them, the frame will always be more important than the picture. The method will always be more important than the message.The most serious indictment against the Two-by-twos is that they claim to be the only way to God, even though their very foundation is based on deceit.More than that - they preach a false gospel,I did not leave The Way to follow another way. I did not escape the doctrine of the workers to follow the doctrines of other men. I left The Way because I met Jesus.form groups and then forums to support, encourage, debrief each other over wasted years in a cult.our loved ones and families are still in bondage to the group.Top marks to them! Lapping up this type of benediction from you, interspersed with your ' true message and gospel of Christ' ? (with fitting scripture quotations.)
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Post by elizabethcoleman on May 29, 2023 22:31:03 GMT -5
More recently I have had the great blessing of coming into contact with members of the Two-by-twos who do understand the true message and gospel of Christ, and recognise that I do too." You are changing your tact/approach? Perhaps EVEN YOU have released that your anti 2x2 vitriol isn't going down so well in TMB? So now your new approach is claiming a few cheerleaders/approvals from 2x2 cultists themselves?! No change - it was in my book (which has been out for years), it was in my large major post. Stop knee-jerking and actually read what I write. Or get new glasses.
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Post by Pragmatic on May 29, 2023 22:38:28 GMT -5
A strange happening in the church might be that a number of friends have seen your postings on here. As you look out over the congregation during the Special Meeting Rounds, and see some more empty seats than usual, you might reflect on the sarcastic, smarmy, and bigoted way you have treated people on here, including a fellow worker, an elder, a number of friends, and well respected people in the community.
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Post by fixit on May 29, 2023 22:40:28 GMT -5
The friends and workers do not believe ultimately in Jesus as the way of salvation, they believe in their ministry - a system – The Way of salvation. Take away the method of ministry, and what gospel remains for them? For them, the frame will always be more important than the picture. The method will always be more important than the message.
This is a fair comment, but I reject the claim that it applies to all friends and workers.
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Post by fixit on May 29, 2023 22:42:59 GMT -5
Stop knee-jerking and actually read what I write. Or get new glasses. Perhaps this is the answer... Prayer moves the loving heart of God To grant these favours from on high: A wise and understanding heart, A clear, discerning, single eye.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 29, 2023 22:43:30 GMT -5
No supporting Scripture for your pot shot this time? 🤔 🤷♂️. You have thing or two to learn yet from our Elizabeth. 'She's the girl' for quoting scripture in her outbursts. Her solemn truths, warnings, christian wishes and lovely benediction upon us 2x2 cult members . 😳 👍 Here's some words that come to mind when reading your posts. He dwells with the meek and the lowly; His counsel is sweet to their soul; The heart that is humble and contrite, The Saviour delights to control. Good move fixit, if not scripture why not quote a hymn from 2x2s hymns old and new? it also gives a veneer of credibility/respectability to your potshots. 👍
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Post by internationalstudies on May 29, 2023 22:44:55 GMT -5
pragmatic, fixit and Elizabeth nice to see you all 'liking' each others posts! "More recently I have had the great blessing of coming into contact with members of the Two-by-twos who do understand the true message and gospel of Christ, and recognise that I do too." 😙 prags and fixit perhaps are you are amongst the many 2x2ers that now recognise Elizabeth understands the true message and gospel of Christ? So kind of her to do her rants here warning us about the cult, the workers and 'the system' isn't it?
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Post by elizabethcoleman on May 29, 2023 22:48:25 GMT -5
The friends and workers do not believe ultimately in Jesus as the way of salvation, they believe in their ministry - a system – The Way of salvation. Take away the method of ministry, and what gospel remains for them? For them, the frame will always be more important than the picture. The method will always be more important than the message.This is a fair comment, but I reject the claim that it applies to all friends and workers. Totally concur. I have met a number with a much different/better understanding.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on May 29, 2023 22:49:43 GMT -5
pragmatic, fixit and Elizabeth nice to see you all 'liking' each others posts! Great to see you liking and encouraging it!
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Post by internationalstudies on May 29, 2023 22:51:01 GMT -5
pragmatic, fixit and Elizabeth nice to see you all 'liking' each others posts! Great to see you liking and encouraging it!
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Post by internationalstudies on May 29, 2023 22:56:23 GMT -5
The friends and workers do not believe ultimately in Jesus as the way of salvation, they believe in their ministry - a system – The Way of salvation. Take away the method of ministry, and what gospel remains for them? For them, the frame will always be more important than the picture. The method will always be more important than the message.This is a fair comment, but I reject the claim that it applies to all friends and workers. Rather courageous and noble of you to take a stand and disagree with Elizabeth on this point. So there are a few others beside yourself that are 'clear' and 'righteous'? Above the level of the multitudes who are caught up in 'worker and system worship'/idolatry of the 2x2s?
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Post by fixit on May 29, 2023 23:04:18 GMT -5
The friends and workers do not believe ultimately in Jesus as the way of salvation, they believe in their ministry - a system – The Way of salvation. Take away the method of ministry, and what gospel remains for them? For them, the frame will always be more important than the picture. The method will always be more important than the message.This is a fair comment, but I reject the claim that it applies to all friends and workers. Rather courageous and noble of you to take a stand and disagree with Elizabeth on this point. So there are a few others beside yourself that are 'clear' and 'righteous'? Above the level of the multitudes who are caught up in 'worker and system worship'/idolatry of the 2x2s? It's good to see that you acknowledge 'worker and system worship'/idolatry of the 2x2s.
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Post by Dan on May 30, 2023 0:01:24 GMT -5
I actually I like most people. But I'm not too fussed on the hypocrisy, agenda and bias/lack of objectivity of this poster and a few other such posters. I have no compunction of calling them on a few things. This guy has been at it for decades.... and... I guess will continue it as long as he is able. 🤷♂️ 'god speed' to him. As you say Bob: "There is no thought police on here." .... except for when I post? You've had no policing here. You just have to be a big boy and remember that you aren't the etiquette queen. You will know when you're being policed. You will be punished for breaking the rules, and you will be appropriately notified.
Kidding of course, if you could police stupid, I would have been locked-up 3 years ago.
Heck of a visit in FL, my sister said she took the Ministry Safe course 5 times! I asked what she thought of all the Workers leaving, she said that some are just stepping down (home visits) until a resolution is made. She is being extremely careful and said she won't be alone with any children.
My other sister has bible study on Wed nights in their home, fewer friends in their area now. They both said salvation doesn't come through Workers, but only by Christ.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 30, 2023 0:36:35 GMT -5
Rather courageous and noble of you to take a stand and disagree with Elizabeth on this point. So there are a few others beside yourself that are 'clear' and 'righteous'? Above the level of the multitudes who are caught up in 'worker and system worship'/idolatry of the 2x2s? It's good to see that you acknowledge 'worker and system worship'/idolatry of the 2x2s. It your fixitation and vigorous advocacy here on TMB regarding 'worker and system worship' idolatry that has awoken me to it. Now listen: how about when the folks that gather into your home for the Sunday morning meeting: 'a word in season then'? Perhaps a little preach in your convention testimony for a wider audience? Of course use scripture or quote a hymn as you do here. Dare to be Daniel, you be the one to have the courage to speak out and against it in person, stand tall. Time to 'go live'? But perhaps there might be a bit of 'shunning' and sideways glances if you did that? 😋 The status quo of : 17000+ TMB fixit posting (plus how many more thousand more of your previous 'JO' (Jesus only) avatar) probably works best for you?
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Post by fixit on May 30, 2023 1:36:11 GMT -5
It's good to see that you acknowledge 'worker and system worship'/idolatry of the 2x2s. It your fixitation and vigorous advocacy here on TMB regarding 'worker and system worship' idolatry that has awoken me to it. Now listen: how about when the folks that gather into your home for the Sunday morning meeting: 'a word in season then'? Perhaps a little preach in your convention testimony for a wider audience? Of course use scripture or quote a hymn as you do here. Dare to be Daniel, you be the one to have the courage to speak out and against it in person, stand tall. Time to 'go live'? But perhaps there might be a bit of 'shunning' and sideways glances if you did that? 😋 The status quo of : 17000+ TMB fixit posting (plus how many more thousand more of your previous 'JO' (Jesus only) avatar) probably works best for you? You probably don't want me to start listing all of the avatars you have used over many years. I seem to recall one where you posted you were going to collect your grandchildren from school. I'm very aware that you workers will do what you want to do irrespective of anything I do or say. Your sowing, your reaping.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 30, 2023 5:40:27 GMT -5
It your fixitation and vigorous advocacy here on TMB regarding 'worker and system worship' idolatry that has awoken me to it. Now listen: how about when the folks that gather into your home for the Sunday morning meeting: 'a word in season then'? Perhaps a little preach in your convention testimony for a wider audience? Of course use scripture or quote a hymn as you do here. Dare to be Daniel, you be the one to have the courage to speak out and against it in person, stand tall. Time to 'go live'? But perhaps there might be a bit of 'shunning' and sideways glances if you did that? 😋 The status quo of : 17000+ TMB fixit posting (plus how many more thousand more of your previous 'JO' (Jesus only) avatar) probably works best for you? I'm very aware that you workers will do what you want to do irrespective of anything I do or say. Your sowing, your reaping. You are quite correct, 'you workers' will not be influenced by your TMB nonsense. man up and do in real life one of your TMB style sermon/preaches (with appropriate scripture or a hymn) about idolatrous 'worker and system worship!' Sow that and reap a surprised glance or two?
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Post by chuck on May 30, 2023 7:25:44 GMT -5
It your fixitation and vigorous advocacy here on TMB regarding 'worker and system worship' idolatry that has awoken me to it. Now listen: how about when the folks that gather into your home for the Sunday morning meeting: 'a word in season then'? Perhaps a little preach in your convention testimony for a wider audience? Of course use scripture or quote a hymn as you do here. Dare to be Daniel, you be the one to have the courage to speak out and against it in person, stand tall. Time to 'go live'? But perhaps there might be a bit of 'shunning' and sideways glances if you did that? 😋 The status quo of : 17000+ TMB fixit posting (plus how many more thousand more of your previous 'JO' (Jesus only) avatar) probably works best for you? You probably don't want me to start listing all of the avatars you have used over many years. I seem to recall one where you posted you were going to collect your grandchildren from school. I'm very aware that you workers will do what you want to do irrespective of anything I do or say. Your sowing, your reaping. Just ignore him m8, he really has nothing to do in his life except be in everyone else's business.....
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Post by snow on May 30, 2023 13:20:06 GMT -5
pragmatic, fixit and Elizabeth nice to see you all 'liking' each others posts! "More recently I have had the great blessing of coming into contact with members of the Two-by-twos who do understand the true message and gospel of Christ, and recognise that I do too." 😙 prags and fixit perhaps are you are amongst the many 2x2ers that now recognise Elizabeth understands the true message and gospel of Christ? So kind of her to do her rants here warning us about the cult, the workers and 'the system' isn't it? I have a question. What is your stance on whether or not anyone can be saved outside of the F&W group? When I was attending meetings the workers preached that our 'way' was the only 'way' to heaven. Leaving the group was considered 'losing out on salvation'. What are your thoughts on that?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 30, 2023 14:44:15 GMT -5
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Post by snow on May 30, 2023 14:58:48 GMT -5
lol um chicken and the egg? It's an interesting site though. Arizona has lots of interesting places to see. Toured around it quite a bit exploring.
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Post by matisse on May 30, 2023 15:33:41 GMT -5
There was also the convention grounds in the southern US that sustained significant damage from high winds, but miraculously (as the story was told), a lumber company had just opened up nearby.
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Post by snow on May 30, 2023 15:43:29 GMT -5
There was also the convention grounds in the southern US that sustained significant damage from high winds, but miraculously (as the story was told), a lumber company had just opened up nearby. Well that's exactly how the Christian god works. He causes the problem then makes you pay for the solution.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 30, 2023 18:06:19 GMT -5
pragmatic, fixit and Elizabeth nice to see you all 'liking' each others posts! "More recently I have had the great blessing of coming into contact with members of the Two-by-twos who do understand the true message and gospel of Christ, and recognise that I do too." 😙 prags and fixit perhaps are you are amongst the many 2x2ers that now recognise Elizabeth understands the true message and gospel of Christ? So kind of her to do her rants here warning us about the cult, the workers and 'the system' isn't it? I have a question. What is your stance on whether or not anyone can be saved outside of the F&W group? When I was attending meetings the workers preached that our 'way' was the only 'way' to heaven. Leaving the group was considered 'losing out on salvation'. What are your thoughts on that? Of course he can! Who am I to put limits of God? As for me personally. I KNOW that God's plan for me is to be in this church and this ministry. Personal experience and conviction have this settled for ME.
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Post by snow on May 30, 2023 21:05:28 GMT -5
I have a question. What is your stance on whether or not anyone can be saved outside of the F&W group? When I was attending meetings the workers preached that our 'way' was the only 'way' to heaven. Leaving the group was considered 'losing out on salvation'. What are your thoughts on that? Of course he can! Who am I to put limits of God? As for me personally. I KNOW that God's plan for me is to be in this church and this ministry. Personal experience and conviction have this settled for ME. If there is a god I would agree with you that no one group has dibs on salvation. Not when the god is all powerful and all knowing anyway.
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Post by verna on May 30, 2023 22:26:17 GMT -5
I have a question. What is your stance on whether or not anyone can be saved outside of the F&W group? When I was attending meetings the workers preached that our 'way' was the only 'way' to heaven. Leaving the group was considered 'losing out on salvation'. What are your thoughts on that? Of course he can! Who am I to put limits of God? As for me personally. I KNOW that God's plan for me is to be in this church and this ministry. Personal experience and conviction have this settled for ME. This sounds very much like the answer my worker sister gives. So tell me, can you conceive of anything that would cause you to question that this is the church and ministry for you?
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