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Post by jwatt on Jun 29, 2023 0:37:30 GMT -5
Not sure what I did wrong but that last line in above, is my post
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2023 1:42:54 GMT -5
Not sure what I did wrong but that last line in above, is my post Proboards bug, happens from time to time...
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 29, 2023 2:14:14 GMT -5
Not sure what I did wrong but that last line in above, is my post Post underneath the text box surrounding the text you are replying to.
In answer to what you posed. a) Narcissistic Behavioural Syndrome? b) Jonathan alluded to how close he'd come to an Overseer's ire because of trying to do the right thing in another post quite some time ago. He shouldn't have to boil his cabbage twice just because of IS, and you're exactly right in what you say, in my opinion.
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Post by fixit on Jun 29, 2023 3:37:36 GMT -5
Not sure what I did wrong but that last line in above, is my post Some people put a lot of white space below their text so you have to scroll down until you see the last [/quote] Make sure your message goes underneath that last [/quote].
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Post by internationalstudies on Jun 29, 2023 9:33:21 GMT -5
W&F want to be part of a world-wide kingdom, but you can't have a kingdom without having kings to manage it. The higher up the hierarchy a worker climbs, the more of a politician he becomes. Preservation of "the kingdom" and their place in it has a higher priority than godliness. 1 Samuel 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to govern us.” Samuel prayed to the Lord, 7 and the Lord said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them. You've hit the nail right on the head. Christ is the King of the Kingdom (with a capital) with all it's glory and power where the Divine rules and reigns, and distracted o/s the kings of their little kingdoms (lower case) with all their politics and problems where flesh rules and reigns. Jonathan, Your silence grows more deafening.I am a fellow worker of yours. I speak with my fellow workers and the Overseers about things that concern me. Are you speaking with your fellow workers and your Overseer as well as post on TMB?
You have, so far, studiously ignored the uncomfortable question I have asked of you.
Unless you confirm otherwise I come to the conclusion that you don't the integrity to stand and speak for what you post on TMB I DO HAVE the guts to speak up to my fellow workers and Overseer for what I believe. I have done so. HAVE YOU DONE THE SAME or just trite posts here? (I will continue ignoring others who respond trying to cover up/explain away/obfuscate for Jonathan.) The question is for Jonathan.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2023 12:30:41 GMT -5
You've hit the nail right on the head. Christ is the King of the Kingdom (with a capital) with all it's glory and power where the Divine rules and reigns, and distracted o/s the kings of their little kingdoms (lower case) with all their politics and problems where flesh rules and reigns. Jonathan, Your silence grows more deafening.I am a fellow worker of yours. I speak with my fellow workers and the Overseers about things that concern me. Are you speaking with your fellow workers and your Overseer as well as post on TMB?
You have, so far, studiously ignored the uncomfortable question I have asked of you.
Unless you confirm otherwise I come to the conclusion that you don't the integrity to stand and speak for what you post on TMB I DO HAVE the guts to speak up to my fellow workers and Overseer for what I believe. I have done so. HAVE YOU DONE THE SAME or just trite posts here? (I will continue ignoring others who respond trying to cover up/explain away/obfuscate for Jonathan.) The question is for Jonathan.
Ignore all you want, no one cares at this point what conclusion's you'll draw...
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Post by fixit on Jun 29, 2023 14:09:45 GMT -5
You've hit the nail right on the head. Christ is the King of the Kingdom (with a capital) with all it's glory and power where the Divine rules and reigns, and distracted o/s the kings of their little kingdoms (lower case) with all their politics and problems where flesh rules and reigns. Jonathan, Your silence grows more deafening.I am a fellow worker of yours. I speak with my fellow workers and the Overseers about things that concern me. Are you speaking with your fellow workers and your Overseer as well as post on TMB?
You have, so far, studiously ignored the uncomfortable question I have asked of you.
Unless you confirm otherwise I come to the conclusion that you don't the integrity to stand and speak for what you post on TMB I DO HAVE the guts to speak up to my fellow workers and Overseer for what I believe. I have done so. HAVE YOU DONE THE SAME or just trite posts here? (I will continue ignoring others who respond trying to cover up/explain away/obfuscate for Jonathan.) The question is for Jonathan.
Here's a question for internationalstudies: Are you speaking with your fellow workers and your Overseer about what you post on TMB?
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Post by Annan on Jun 30, 2023 7:16:24 GMT -5
I love the holier-than-thou attitude. Gold stars for internationalstudies. Even the name is an ego trip.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 30, 2023 8:26:37 GMT -5
Advice never enter a battle with a red headed lady !
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Post by jonathan on Jul 1, 2023 5:27:29 GMT -5
Not my own words. Saw fb page of AFTT. Asked permission from writer. Very well said. Agree 100%.
Here goes:
For workers and offenders: Being sorry is good. Being sorry though doesn’t absolve you of your wrongs that brought irreparable harm to others. You are still accountable to that and any punishment that involves.
Repentance is good. Repentance however, does not absolve you of what you did. Repentance simply means you won’t ever do it again. You still are accountable to your wrongs you already did and any punishment it involves.
Also keep in mind…when a pedophile says he/she has repented (as we are hearing time and time again for allowing offenders to stay in positions of authority and meetings), while it sounds nice, it’s unrealistic and shouldn’t be viewed as they won’t do it again. Chances are they will. Because they are sick, and they have a need and desire only a child can bring them or control over a victim.
Also, WHEN someone raped or sodomized someone is IRRELEVANT. I’m seeing workers letters and comments making sure people know it was 20, 30, 40 yrs ago , and it is actually insulting to us victims. Firstly, that’s just the ones that have been brought to light. Sexual offenders rarely just simply stop. Especially if they think they got away with it. Most likely that person has had an array of victims for the past 20, 30, 40 yrs. Your letter is probably pointing out more prolific predators rather an your attempt at minimizing.
Secondly, time doesn’t erase a wrong. When you say a time frame, we, who are reading your letter, can only THANK YOU for reminding us just how long sexual abuse has been going on in this religion with overseer knowledge. It also shows us how long that victim has been having to live with it.
Lastly, Stop touting scripture at the end of your letters. This isn’t just a religion problem. You don’t need scripture to teach and show you raping and sodomizing another person (child or adult) is WRONG. There comes times where you need to simply speak directly and frankly to your audience..using YOUR words. Once your eyes have been opened, you see this technique for what it is. Using Gods word as a crutch, shield and weapon. Nothing makes a victim more nauseous than the hypocrisy of using Gods word when the writer is one of the problems.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 1, 2023 5:36:17 GMT -5
Not my own words. Saw fb page of AFTT. Asked permission from writer. Very well said. Agree 100%. Here goes: For workers and offenders: Being sorry is good. Being sorry though doesn’t absolve you of your wrongs that brought irreparable harm to others. You are still accountable to that and any punishment that involves. Repentance is good. Repentance however, does not absolve you of what you did. Repentance simply means you won’t ever do it again. You still are accountable to your wrongs you already did and any punishment it involves. Also keep in mind…when a pedophile says he/she has repented (as we are hearing time and time again for allowing offenders to stay in positions of authority and meetings), while it sounds nice, it’s unrealistic and shouldn’t be viewed as they won’t do it again. Chances are they will. Because they are sick, and they have a need and desire only a child can bring them or control over a victim. Also, WHEN someone raped or sodomized someone is IRRELEVANT. I’m seeing workers letters and comments making sure people know it was 20, 30, 40 yrs ago , and it is actually insulting to us victims. Firstly, that’s just the ones that have been brought to light. Sexual offenders rarely just simply stop. Especially if they think they got away with it. Most likely that person has had an array of victims for the past 20, 30, 40 yrs. Your letter is probably pointing out more prolific predators rather an your attempt at minimizing. Secondly, time doesn’t erase a wrong. When you say a time frame, we, who are reading your letter, can only THANK YOU for reminding us just how long sexual abuse has been going on in this religion with overseer knowledge. It also shows us how long that victim has been having to live with it. Lastly, Stop touting scripture at the end of your letters. This isn’t just a religion problem. You don’t need scripture to teach and show you raping and sodomizing another person (child or adult) is WRONG. There comes times where you need to simply speak directly and frankly to your audience..using YOUR words. Once your eyes have been opened, you see this technique for what it is. Using Gods word as a crutch, shield and weapon. Nothing makes a victim more nauseous than the hypocrisy of using Gods word when the writer is one of the problems. Very well said, and I have been thinking the same thing as the final paragraph. I don't think I have seen a worker's letter yet that doesn't do this, and it really grates. How much worse it must be for a victim.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 1, 2023 8:58:15 GMT -5
Still on road trip but there are 2 new posts on WINGS ! Procedure being followed for TMB admin . Happy Canada 🇨🇦 Day
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Post by snow on Jul 4, 2023 19:38:14 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Jul 5, 2023 0:12:36 GMT -5
It seems that workers and friends love skilled convention speakers and don't care whether the speakers have the love of God in their hearts. From: wingsfortruth.info/2023/04/22/letter-from-canadian-worker-alanna-mcdonald-to-friends-april-2023/I heard some of my brothers and sisters’ cries for help. I heard them and they are lodged forever in my heart. They were not faint. They were not insignificant. I can believe, then, that my own cry was worthy of regarding as well. That when I wept in the presence of these men with oversight, it should have touched their hearts. That when I described the horrors I had experienced, it should have awakened a need to act. Our overseers heard our cries and they turned their back and walked away. God hears even our faintest cry. And it matters to him.
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