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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 18, 2023 5:19:26 GMT -5
Because their son was an idiot? I don’t know how I’m not supposed to laugh at that. That’s a ridiculous story but I believe it. The convention grounds are holy ground? Never heard that. What does that actually mean? Lots of crimes committed on holy ground apparently. We don’t believe in church buildings, those are only for corrupt organized religions. But we do believe in tents and quonsets on holy ground. It was a bad look for the workers to have this person on convention grounds. It's much more important to have sexual predators at convention. I can't recall that - mind you I wasn't really connected to Pukekohe.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 18, 2023 12:21:48 GMT -5
I agree with you, snow. The hurt to the kingdom is actually every incident of any kind of abuse. Information about it, wherever on whatever platform, is not the hurt. MH and company should consider the hurt they cause the Kingdom with their carelessness and indifference, which have passed into the territory of gross negligence. Hardly the standard of behavior expected of a caring, loving and trustworthy custodian. Has it never crossed his mind that he is part of the problem? Has it never dawned on him that maybe he is an embarrassment to the doctrine and teachings he is supposed to uphold? In Freeburn’s response to the Bainbridges he said they wouldn’t want Bob and Stacy to have to leave their own property, in the event that the workers would invite people to their property that the Bainbridges wouldn’t be comfortable with. I think the workers are a little bit on eggshells with the Bainbridges, as they should be, but this actually comes off extremely arrogant. It’s created an “us” vs “them” situation. There is no good will going towards rebuilding trust. It would’ve gone a long way in their favour (the workers) to find the humility to respect the stipulations. They could’ve said “we’re on the same side as you, we’re fighting for righteousness with you and we will ensure your requirements are followed.” Just eat their pride. Instead they’re creating a scenario for people to pick sides. Maybe they felt that’s what the Bainbridges were doing by sending out letters that would embarrass the ministry, but their response cemented it. Mike said Let’s talk about social media , the sad satisfaction out of spreading evil things that they find on social media The death of Dean brought out THE SOCIAL MEDIA Many workers , elders , friends are in trouble because of the social media they engage in , such as child pornography . With children as young as 2 months old . Dean Brure had hundreds of porn pics & maybe video’s himself on social media . Child exploitation at its worst . So take that into consideration before you cast people aside over social media . Look in the mirror . Mike said : why aren't they pained to see the kingdom suffer loss . The kingdom is suffering because you …….. BOYS DON’T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THIS SITUATION . You have offered nothing constructive to this nightmare at anytime . You have not paid for any mental health care for those abused . Children , women & men . You are lawyering up to CYA’S 🛑 Mike said : May God have mercy on them . There was no mercy to many of the 1000’s of victims , children , women and men . Think about that ! This is YOU IMO ………. Pious Self-righteous, hypocritical, sanctimonious, goody-goody, unctuous, holier-than-thou, pietistic, religiose They were derided as pious, self-righteous bores. Cheers 🥂
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Post by snow on Jun 18, 2023 12:22:42 GMT -5
I have heard that too. Do you recall many years ago there was a forced change of ownership of Pukekohe convention grounds because the son of the owner was deemed to be an idiot. His only issue was that he was a bad stutterer.I think this would be 1960's 0\or 70's Because their son was an idiot? I don’t know how I’m not supposed to laugh at that. That’s a ridiculous story but I believe it. The convention grounds are holy ground? Never heard that. What does that actually mean? Lots of crimes committed on holy ground apparently. We don’t believe in church buildings, those are only for corrupt organized religions. But we do believe in tents and quonsets on holy ground. Back 50 years ago that's what I heard also. The friends that own these grounds don't have a lot of say. In fact, some of the friends were told to sell their farms to another 'friend'. The workers have a lot of power over convention ground owners because they feel that if they put money into the grounds somehow it made the farm theirs to do with as they wanted.
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Post by snow on Jun 18, 2023 12:25:27 GMT -5
Topic adjustment but have you all read through the code of conduct for workers being in homes? If you have been a worker and you read this you will wonder how it will ever work in real life. So you are sitting in the living room and a child walks in…you are supposed to? Being in friends homes will never be the same again. How could anyone relax and be themselves in a good way under these circumstances. Same with convention. Convention used to be a refuge from the ‘world.’ Now its a place fraught with potential danger. Kids sleeping in the barn? No. Kids running around and parents not needing their children within sight lines at all times? No. This will never be the same in the only way that made it special. It's only now that there is awareness. It never was safe. Awareness is a good thing. I agree that it will never be the same for some of the friends. Others are just denying this is all true and it's going to be business as usual for them.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 18, 2023 15:38:47 GMT -5
Topic adjustment but have you all read through the code of conduct for workers being in homes? If you have been a worker and you read this you will wonder how it will ever work in real life. So you are sitting in the living room and a child walks in…you are supposed to? Being in friends homes will never be the same again. How could anyone relax and be themselves in a good way under these circumstances. Same with convention. Convention used to be a refuge from the ‘world.’ Now it’s a place fraught with potential danger. Kids sleeping in the barn? No. Kids running around and parents not needing their children within sight lines at all times? No. This will never be the same in the only way that made it special. It's only now that there is awareness. It never was safe. Awareness is a good thing. I agree that it will never be the same for some of the friends. Others are just denying this is all true and it's going to be business as usual for them. So true , we had a lot of fun But our parents did watch us when younger . We weren’t running around the grounds . I believe our parents had suspected something’s were not correct . I wonder if my mom was a victim . I wish I had asked her before she passed . I sure would not attend a convention with children in these days . The worker’s want all the power no matter who gets hurt by a predator that they chose to hide . So not right !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 19, 2023 3:04:07 GMT -5
Another steps down Probably posted on WINGS 🪽
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 19, 2023 3:12:27 GMT -5
Another steps down Probably posted on WINGS 🪽 Thanks, my mum used to say "Your sins are sure to find you out" How true that is. Whether it is 4 days or 40 years is irrelevant. It is still a crime.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 19, 2023 13:49:24 GMT -5
Another letter up probably on Wings I can’t believe these effing worker’s !
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Post by tile on Jun 19, 2023 15:10:26 GMT -5
Paul Haaken... 10:09 am to Perry, Paul, ….. Dear Friends in North & South Dakota, Glenda Pickering will be stepping aside from the ministry today. She has been with us at the Hermosa preps. It is unsettled at this writing as to where she will go. Respectfully, The Dakota Workers WINGS Note: See wingsfortruth.info/2023/06/06/missouri-meeting-of-friends-and-workers/Total transparency yet again . NOPE STATUS QUO FROM O/S’S Are there allegations of some sort? (For what it’s worth she seemed to be a big fan of Melanie Trump as a fashion icon on Facebook, which was kind of interesting).
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 19, 2023 18:47:26 GMT -5
Topic adjustment but have you all read through the code of conduct for workers being in homes? If you have been a worker and you read this you will wonder how it will ever work in real life. So you are sitting in the living room and a child walks in…you are supposed to? Being in friends homes will never be the same again. How could anyone relax and be themselves in a good way under these circumstances. Same with convention. Convention used to be a refuge from the ‘world.’ Now its a place fraught with potential danger. Kids sleeping in the barn? No. Kids running around and parents not needing their children within sight lines at all times? No. This will never be the same in the only way that made it special. It's only now that there is awareness. It never was safe. Awareness is a good thing. I agree that it will never be the same for some of the friends. Others are just denying this is all true and it's going to be business as usual for them. No, it was never all that safe. I know of sexual predators who operated in the men's sleeping quarters after the lights were turned off -- 60 years ago.
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Post by janj on Jun 20, 2023 4:34:41 GMT -5
I got told that convention grounds are, Holy Ground. I have heard that too. Do you recall many years ago there was a forced change of ownership of Pukekohe convention grounds because the son of the owner was deemed to be an idiot. His only issue was that he was a bad stutterer.I think this would be 1960's 0\or 70's I think that story may have got slightly twisted in the telling!!
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Post by haggard on Jun 20, 2023 5:41:02 GMT -5
I have heard that too. Do you recall many years ago there was a forced change of ownership of Pukekohe convention grounds because the son of the owner was deemed to be an idiot. His only issue was that he was a bad stutterer.I think this would be 1960's 0\or 70's I think that story may have got slightly twisted in the telling!! but you never know... a bad stutter might sound like a machine gun to a child..just saying some kids are nervous of guns
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 20, 2023 9:12:44 GMT -5
Paul Haaken... 10:09 am to Perry, Paul, ….. Dear Friends in North & South Dakota, Glenda Pickering will be stepping aside from the ministry today. She has been with us at the Hermosa preps. It is unsettled at this writing as to where she will go. Respectfully, The Dakota Workers WINGS Note: See wingsfortruth.info/2023/06/06/missouri-meeting-of-friends-and-workers/Total transparency yet again . NOPE STATUS QUO FROM O/S’S Are there allegations of some sort? (For what it’s worth she seemed to be a big fan of Melanie Trump as a fashion icon on Facebook, which was kind of interesting). We have no idea , the transparency is still not there and active .
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 20, 2023 15:13:02 GMT -5
I have heard that too. Do you recall many years ago there was a forced change of ownership of Pukekohe convention grounds because the son of the owner was deemed to be an idiot. His only issue was that he was a bad stutterer.I think this would be 1960's 0\or 70's I think that story may have got slightly twisted in the telling!! Yes, It's a long time ago. the workers will be doing their best to polish their version.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 20, 2023 18:54:59 GMT -5
💥 💥 bam I do believe Alberta and B.C have reached their limits kudos 🤗
Dear Merlin,
This letter is also addressed to Reid, Paul and Joshua.
It has come to our attention that you are spreading the word that we are speaking to people to gather support for us having lost our Sunday meeting and asking them to speak up on our behalf. THIS IS NOT TRUE. We have NOT requested of ONE single person to reach out to any one of you with respect to our meeting being “taken away”. We encourage you to ask anyone that have written you about the removal of our meeting whether we had asked them to do so.
We continue with our Sunday meeting. Nothing to take away. We enjoy it when others attend our Sunday meeting on an ad-hoc basis to add to our number.
Note the following for the record:
With respect to our Sunday meeting, we have not gone looking for support from any person whatsoever. Many people have however heard of the decision regarding our meeting and have reached out to US. Many of those people we have never even met before. Most of those people have shared with us their frustrations with the workers in BC and the mishandling of issues (see 3 below). We have communicated the following concerns to you (as have many others): Handling of CSA issues and suppression of transparency. (Why is there still no general notification of current CSA investigations in BC in order that victims be made aware. Also there has been no notification of members stepping down from Merlin’s CSA committee, why not?); The unacceptable treatment, silencing and bullying of sister workers; Overseers and workers’ abuse of power; Suggested changes to restore trust and a healthy foundation for our fellowship. We have communicated with friends regarding the manner in which you, as ministers in a position of trust have been conducting yourselves. One such issue is bold faced lying and below is a recent example: Reid and Joshua, you have spoken to people this past week suggesting that you have been trying to arrange to meet with us and that we have not accepted this - HOW do you manage to lie so blatantly? You know that after Gospel meeting when we greeted you at the door that we INVITED you to come to our place. Specifically, you Joshua. We were genuinely pleased to see you when you took Paul’s place with Reid and we specifically said to you after your first Gospel meeting “thank you for a Gospel message today and please come and visit us anytime”. You know that we invited you directly more than once and you, Reid, know and heard that invitation after Gospel meeting. You have our cell phone numbers and email addresses and we have not received a single request to meet. If anyone of you did send requests to meet with us and if we declined or if you did not receive a reply from us: please forward the time-stamped communication to us and everyone on this letter. There have been meetings with concerned friends in BC where you are KNOWN to have LIED and be very clear: several people present in those meetings KNOW the truth. How do you expect the friends in our fellowship to have any trust in the ministry when you yourselves don’t follow the most basic Doctrine?
Merlin, we understand that communication was sent to elders recently regarding baptism arrangements. While we had heard of it, we never received any details. We then contacted Reid by text to ask if there were recent communications and were told there was communication about baptism, but without any details. We still have not received details from Reid or anyone else. This does beg the question whether you, Merlin, Paul, Joshua and Reid consider our children as unworthy of baptism? Interestingly, our text to Reid was recent and further evidence of how there has been ample opportunity for Reid and Joshua to make contact to meet with us.
Kind regards
Jeremy and Leonie Tomlinson
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 20, 2023 18:56:37 GMT -5
Can they get anymore filth jumping out of their mouths ? That is not a standard for being a worker . Totally disgusting behavior ! Appalling and disrespectful & shameful . Shame on THEM BOYS !!!! NO MERCY GRANTED . Step down because you don’t have what it takes , maybe let the lady workers run the ship before it sinks !
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 20, 2023 22:40:53 GMT -5
💥 💥 bam I do believe Alberta and B.C have reached their limits kudos 🤗 Dear Merlin, This letter is also addressed to Reid, Paul and Joshua. It has come to our attention that you are spreading the word that we are speaking to people to gather support for us having lost our Sunday meeting and asking them to speak up on our behalf. THIS IS NOT TRUE. We have NOT requested of ONE single person to reach out to any one of you with respect to our meeting being “taken away”. We encourage you to ask anyone that have written you about the removal of our meeting whether we had asked them to do so. We continue with our Sunday meeting. Nothing to take away. We enjoy it when others attend our Sunday meeting on an ad-hoc basis to add to our number. Note the following for the record: With respect to our Sunday meeting, we have not gone looking for support from any person whatsoever. Many people have however heard of the decision regarding our meeting and have reached out to US. Many of those people we have never even met before. Most of those people have shared with us their frustrations with the workers in BC and the mishandling of issues (see 3 below). We have communicated the following concerns to you (as have many others): Handling of CSA issues and suppression of transparency. (Why is there still no general notification of current CSA investigations in BC in order that victims be made aware. Also there has been no notification of members stepping down from Merlin’s CSA committee, why not?); The unacceptable treatment, silencing and bullying of sister workers; Overseers and workers’ abuse of power; Suggested changes to restore trust and a healthy foundation for our fellowship. We have communicated with friends regarding the manner in which you, as ministers in a position of trust have been conducting yourselves. One such issue is bold faced lying and below is a recent example: Reid and Joshua, you have spoken to people this past week suggesting that you have been trying to arrange to meet with us and that we have not accepted this - HOW do you manage to lie so blatantly? You know that after Gospel meeting when we greeted you at the door that we INVITED you to come to our place. Specifically, you Joshua. We were genuinely pleased to see you when you took Paul’s place with Reid and we specifically said to you after your first Gospel meeting “thank you for a Gospel message today and please come and visit us anytime”. You know that we invited you directly more than once and you, Reid, know and heard that invitation after Gospel meeting. You have our cell phone numbers and email addresses and we have not received a single request to meet. If anyone of you did send requests to meet with us and if we declined or if you did not receive a reply from us: please forward the time-stamped communication to us and everyone on this letter. There have been meetings with concerned friends in BC where you are KNOWN to have LIED and be very clear: several people present in those meetings KNOW the truth. How do you expect the friends in our fellowship to have any trust in the ministry when you yourselves don’t follow the most basic Doctrine? Merlin, we understand that communication was sent to elders recently regarding baptism arrangements. While we had heard of it, we never received any details. We then contacted Reid by text to ask if there were recent communications and were told there was communication about baptism, but without any details. We still have not received details from Reid or anyone else. This does beg the question whether you, Merlin, Paul, Joshua and Reid consider our children as unworthy of baptism? Interestingly, our text to Reid was recent and further evidence of how there has been ample opportunity for Reid and Joshua to make contact to meet with us. Kind regards Jeremy and Leonie Tomlinson That's not a good look - granted we only have one side, but even still!
So it seems like something similar to previous episodes up there where, for some reason they have had the Sunday meeting removed, but have continued anyway, and others come to it without authorisation. Am I reading this correctly?
My understanding is the fact there was wine in the cabinet, and Leonie doesn't have long hair; it has given the workers an excuse to act upon their prejudices.
This is so wrong on so many levels. Some of these workers are like jumped up little Hitlers!
Jesus told the parable about the seed falling into the good and honest ground. What honesty is there in a worker lying about motives for moving a meeting?
Lying for the Kingdom's sake? Give me a break!
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Post by jonathan on Jun 21, 2023 0:32:08 GMT -5
If it is true that the workers have lied, it seems it's embedded in their administration. First MA, and now JT and Co also. Cannot help but wonder how many more lies they have told?
Hey brothers, despair not yet for "The truth shall make you free" John 8:32
Lies have a way to blow up in one's face, and they sure leave a mess!
Some poem came to memory as I read the last letter by Jeremy.
The Liar by William Blake
Deceiver, dissembler Your trousers are alight From what pole or gallows Shall they dangle in the night?
When I asked of your career Why did you have to kick my rear With that stinking lie of thine Proclaiming that you owned a mine?
When you asked to borrow my stallion To visit a nearby-moored galleon How could I ever know that you Intended only to turn him into glue?
What red devil of mendacity Grips your soul with such tenacity? Will one you cruelly shower with lies Put a pistol ball between your eyes?
What infernal serpent Has lent you his forked tongue? From what pit of foul deceit Are all these whoppers sprung?
Deceiver, dissembler Your trousers are alight From what pole or gallows Do they dangle in the night?
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Post by jonathan on Jun 21, 2023 0:33:20 GMT -5
If it is true that the workers have lied, it seems it's embedded in their administration. First MA, and now JT and Co also. Cannot help but wonder how many more lies they have told? Hey brothers, despair not yet for "The truth shall make you free" John 8:32 You three brother workers can tepent and own up to it. Lies have a way to blow up in one's face, and they sure leave a mess! Some poem came to memory as I read the last letter by Jeremy. The Liar by William Blake Deceiver, dissembler Your trousers are alight From what pole or gallows Shall they dangle in the night? When I asked of your career Why did you have to kick my rear With that stinking lie of thine Proclaiming that you owned a mine? When you asked to borrow my stallion To visit a nearby-moored galleon How could I ever know that you Intended only to turn him into glue? What red devil of mendacity Grips your soul with such tenacity? Will one you cruelly shower with lies Put a pistol ball between your eyes? What infernal serpent Has lent you his forked tongue? From what pit of foul deceit Are all these whoppers sprung? Deceiver, dissembler Your trousers are alight From what pole or gallows Do they dangle in the night?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 21, 2023 3:15:24 GMT -5
💥 💥 bam I do believe Alberta and B.C have reached their limits kudos 🤗 Dear Merlin, This letter is also addressed to Reid, Paul and Joshua. It has come to our attention that you are spreading the word that we are speaking to people to gather support for us having lost our Sunday meeting and asking them to speak up on our behalf. THIS IS NOT TRUE. We have NOT requested of ONE single person to reach out to any one of you with respect to our meeting being “taken away”. We encourage you to ask anyone that have written you about the removal of our meeting whether we had asked them to do so. We continue with our Sunday meeting. Nothing to take away. We enjoy it when others attend our Sunday meeting on an ad-hoc basis to add to our number. Note the following for the record: With respect to our Sunday meeting, we have not gone looking for support from any person whatsoever. Many people have however heard of the decision regarding our meeting and have reached out to US. Many of those people we have never even met before. Most of those people have shared with us their frustrations with the workers in BC and the mishandling of issues (see 3 below). We have communicated the following concerns to you (as have many others): Handling of CSA issues and suppression of transparency. (Why is there still no general notification of current CSA investigations in BC in order that victims be made aware. Also there has been no notification of members stepping down from Merlin’s CSA committee, why not?); The unacceptable treatment, silencing and bullying of sister workers; Overseers and workers’ abuse of power; Suggested changes to restore trust and a healthy foundation for our fellowship. We have communicated with friends regarding the manner in which you, as ministers in a position of trust have been conducting yourselves. One such issue is bold faced lying and below is a recent example: Reid and Joshua, you have spoken to people this past week suggesting that you have been trying to arrange to meet with us and that we have not accepted this - HOW do you manage to lie so blatantly? You know that after Gospel meeting when we greeted you at the door that we INVITED you to come to our place. Specifically, you Joshua. We were genuinely pleased to see you when you took Paul’s place with Reid and we specifically said to you after your first Gospel meeting “thank you for a Gospel message today and please come and visit us anytime”. You know that we invited you directly more than once and you, Reid, know and heard that invitation after Gospel meeting. You have our cell phone numbers and email addresses and we have not received a single request to meet. If anyone of you did send requests to meet with us and if we declined or if you did not receive a reply from us: please forward the time-stamped communication to us and everyone on this letter. There have been meetings with concerned friends in BC where you are KNOWN to have LIED and be very clear: several people present in those meetings KNOW the truth. How do you expect the friends in our fellowship to have any trust in the ministry when you yourselves don’t follow the most basic Doctrine? Merlin, we understand that communication was sent to elders recently regarding baptism arrangements. While we had heard of it, we never received any details. We then contacted Reid by text to ask if there were recent communications and were told there was communication about baptism, but without any details. We still have not received details from Reid or anyone else. This does beg the question whether you, Merlin, Paul, Joshua and Reid consider our children as unworthy of baptism? Interestingly, our text to Reid was recent and further evidence of how there has been ample opportunity for Reid and Joshua to make contact to meet with us. Kind regards Jeremy and Leonie Tomlinson That's not a good look - granted we only have one side, but even still!
So it seems like something similar to previous episodes up there where, for some reason they have had the Sunday meeting removed, but have continued anyway, and others come to it without authorisation. Am I reading this correctly?
My understanding is the fact there was wine in the cabinet, and Leonie doesn't have long hair; it has given the workers an excuse to act upon their prejudices.
This is so wrong on so many levels. Some of these workers are like jumped up little Hitlers!
Jesus told the parable about the seed falling into the good and honest ground. What honesty is there in a worker lying about motives for moving a meeting?
Lying for the Kingdom's sake? Give me a break!
This is very similar as to the Alberta problem . Same worker ………….. Yep what a horrible situation . This is absolutely disgusting 🤢 MA needs to step down instead of lying 🤥 I have no doubt that the worker’s will continue this behavior .
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Post by snow on Jun 21, 2023 14:04:41 GMT -5
💥 💥 bam I do believe Alberta and B.C have reached their limits kudos 🤗 Dear Merlin, This letter is also addressed to Reid, Paul and Joshua. It has come to our attention that you are spreading the word that we are speaking to people to gather support for us having lost our Sunday meeting and asking them to speak up on our behalf. THIS IS NOT TRUE. We have NOT requested of ONE single person to reach out to any one of you with respect to our meeting being “taken away”. We encourage you to ask anyone that have written you about the removal of our meeting whether we had asked them to do so. We continue with our Sunday meeting. Nothing to take away. We enjoy it when others attend our Sunday meeting on an ad-hoc basis to add to our number. Note the following for the record: With respect to our Sunday meeting, we have not gone looking for support from any person whatsoever. Many people have however heard of the decision regarding our meeting and have reached out to US. Many of those people we have never even met before. Most of those people have shared with us their frustrations with the workers in BC and the mishandling of issues (see 3 below). We have communicated the following concerns to you (as have many others): Handling of CSA issues and suppression of transparency. (Why is there still no general notification of current CSA investigations in BC in order that victims be made aware. Also there has been no notification of members stepping down from Merlin’s CSA committee, why not?); The unacceptable treatment, silencing and bullying of sister workers; Overseers and workers’ abuse of power; Suggested changes to restore trust and a healthy foundation for our fellowship. We have communicated with friends regarding the manner in which you, as ministers in a position of trust have been conducting yourselves. One such issue is bold faced lying and below is a recent example: Reid and Joshua, you have spoken to people this past week suggesting that you have been trying to arrange to meet with us and that we have not accepted this - HOW do you manage to lie so blatantly? You know that after Gospel meeting when we greeted you at the door that we INVITED you to come to our place. Specifically, you Joshua. We were genuinely pleased to see you when you took Paul’s place with Reid and we specifically said to you after your first Gospel meeting “thank you for a Gospel message today and please come and visit us anytime”. You know that we invited you directly more than once and you, Reid, know and heard that invitation after Gospel meeting. You have our cell phone numbers and email addresses and we have not received a single request to meet. If anyone of you did send requests to meet with us and if we declined or if you did not receive a reply from us: please forward the time-stamped communication to us and everyone on this letter. There have been meetings with concerned friends in BC where you are KNOWN to have LIED and be very clear: several people present in those meetings KNOW the truth. How do you expect the friends in our fellowship to have any trust in the ministry when you yourselves don’t follow the most basic Doctrine? Merlin, we understand that communication was sent to elders recently regarding baptism arrangements. While we had heard of it, we never received any details. We then contacted Reid by text to ask if there were recent communications and were told there was communication about baptism, but without any details. We still have not received details from Reid or anyone else. This does beg the question whether you, Merlin, Paul, Joshua and Reid consider our children as unworthy of baptism? Interestingly, our text to Reid was recent and further evidence of how there has been ample opportunity for Reid and Joshua to make contact to meet with us. Kind regards Jeremy and Leonie Tomlinson Well this is business as usual and it's horrible! Aren't they the ones in that meeting about a month ago with Merlin a sister worker and some friends? I was reading a post in Advocates for truth where someone in Minnesota was talking with a brother worker about the CSA and he said "Parents are responsible for their kids”, dismissed further discussion, as in case closed!!" So it's really apparent that the workers are starting to just shut people down that want to talk about it and some are even blaming the parents. Charges and arrests need to start flowing. These people are knowingly protecting abusers and endangering children by not letting the friends know when they find out about CSA happening. They cry that they don't want to be lumped into the same category as the abusers but if they aren't transparent with the friends, what else can the friends do but not trust any of them anymore. They can't know which worker might be an abuser. If they want trust, they need to earn it.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 21, 2023 18:03:46 GMT -5
There is a new letter up on WINGS Not a good situation . Please read , names are being put out , about more CSA/SA which has been hidden for years/decades ! Rob did give an excuse …………
Site logo image WINGS for Truth Rob Newman letter to friends June 2023
wingsfortruth2 Jun 21 20 June 2023 Update
Greetings–
We intended to get weekly updates posted here in this folder, so our apologies since this hasn’t always happened – we’ve just been fully occupied with travel, visits and communications.
Presently in BC and Alberta not a whisper Status quo for those overseers .
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Post by ForeverFree on Jun 21, 2023 18:48:15 GMT -5
There is a new letter up on WINGS Not a good situation . Please read , names are being put out , about more CSA/SA which has been hidden for years/decades ! Rob did give an excuse ………… Site logo image WINGS for Truth Rob Newman letter to friends June 2023 wingsfortruth2 Jun 21 20 June 2023 Update Greetings– We intended to get weekly updates posted here in this folder, so our apologies since this hasn’t always happened – we’ve just been fully occupied with travel, visits and communications. Presently in BC and Alberta not a whisper Status quo for those overseers . The Canadian workers are keeping very quiet on all of this. One can only assume that this would be under the direction of Dale Shultz. The incorporation papers with Willis Propp, the excommunications of Marg Magowan and many others; these slipped into the background and life went on in the secret society. But this...... this involves him covering up criminal activity in at least three countries. He must be just $#!@@ing himself!
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 21, 2023 18:54:57 GMT -5
I believe they are covering for each other . Dale needs to step down with Merlin . Those days in the 90’s divided many families and some still stay divided to this day , unfortunately . It’s like hey bro I got your back . I have not been available this week for our meetings with law enforcement . But we have rescheduled starting next Tuesday .
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Post by chuck on Jun 22, 2023 5:17:25 GMT -5
Im sorry, you seem like a nice person, but that reply is absolutely not of sound mind. Think about that from the perspective of a victim for a minute or two......Im confident not one victim ever said "Im glad God took care of it in His time"......you seriously need to consider whay you actually think God is when you make such ill considered remarks, I cringe every time when I see someone say that...to be honest its B.S and you have been led up the garden path with your "God concept"......thanks to people like Dean Bruer..... Do you still attend meetings chuck? It wasn't too long ago that you said you were still going. Do you still? Are you a believer or athiest? You can define your understanding of believer if you want. We are not attending at the moment and I doubt we will go back. I'm neither as I personally think they are both on the same spectrum. Let's just say I try to act as if a God exists. A "believer" from my understanding of the Hebrew scriptures is a doing word, so running around telling people im a believer in the gracious compassionate character whilst acting contrary to that character is not really a believer. I do not think a "believer" is someone who believes in supernatural happenings and supernatural beings in their mind. Too many nutjobs and evil people are announcing they "believe in God" for it to be a serious credible statement that I want to be associated with. Dean Bruer is a prime example. I definitely dont want to believe(verb) in his God(influence)........but I know for sure the God he believed(noun) in is the same God as the majority of Christians and Atheists describe......which is a super human in the sky......that thinking belongs back in the time Abraham represents when people sacrificed children to things in the sky to make it rain so they could eat and not starve.....
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 22, 2023 23:39:54 GMT -5
There is a new letter up on WINGS Not a good situation . Please read , names are being put out , about more CSA/SA which has been hidden for years/decades ! Rob did give an excuse ………… Site logo image WINGS for Truth Rob Newman letter to friends June 2023 wingsfortruth2 Jun 21 20 June 2023 Update Greetings– We intended to get weekly updates posted here in this folder, so our apologies since this hasn’t always happened – we’ve just been fully occupied with travel, visits and communications. Presently in BC and Alberta not a whisper Status quo for those overseers . They're in the closet hoping and praying.
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Post by jonathan on Jun 23, 2023 0:05:03 GMT -5
There is a new letter up on WINGS Not a good situation . Please read , names are being put out , about more CSA/SA which has been hidden for years/decades ! Rob did give an excuse ………… Site logo image WINGS for Truth Rob Newman letter to friends June 2023 wingsfortruth2 Jun 21 20 June 2023 Update Greetings– We intended to get weekly updates posted here in this folder, so our apologies since this hasn’t always happened – we’ve just been fully occupied with travel, visits and communications. Presently in BC and Alberta not a whisper Status quo for those overseers . They're in the closet hoping and praying. Hoping this will all blow away or die down, and praying they can save their faces and keep their positions of power.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 24, 2023 14:52:54 GMT -5
I have just sent of an account of an offender who Ray has hidden . I believe it was a month ago when I posted about LW helping in meetings It is already posted on WINGS . I have sent it to admin , following procedures . Probably best if you go to WINGS SITE . As you know my brain 🧠 sometimes can’t line things up ……… EXTREME EXTREME TRIGGER WARNING . Please make sure your mind is in a good space . If not read it another day , please EXTREME EXTREME TRIGGER WARNING ⛔️
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