meg1
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Post by meg1 on Jun 25, 2023 0:40:50 GMT -5
There is a lot of anguish, action and support on the Advocates for the Truth page on facebook. Also, do not go there if you are in a fragile place. it is very raw.
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Post by snow on Jun 25, 2023 12:35:31 GMT -5
There is a lot of anguish, action and support on the Advocates for the Truth page on facebook. Also, do not go there if you are in a fragile place. it is very raw. Wings for Truth fb page also. Again not a place for anyone that is fragile right now and probably not a place for those who are professing that don't like hearing negatives about the church.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 25, 2023 13:31:09 GMT -5
It’s stampede time soon and a new game has arrived Whack-a-molester Love this ive been saying this too but believe me my whack-a-molester club isn't padded . Sorry just had to 😹
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 25, 2023 13:59:13 GMT -5
I have just sent of an account of an offender who Ray has hidden . I believe it was a month ago when I posted about LW helping in meetings It is already posted on WINGS . I have sent it to admin , following procedures . Probably best if you go to WINGS SITE . As you know my brain 🧠 sometimes can’t line things up ……… EXTREME EXTREME TRIGGER WARNING . Please make sure your mind is in a good space . If not read it another day , please EXTREME EXTREME TRIGGER WARNING ⛔️ WOW. Just WOW. With each one of the accounts it becomes ever more clear that this is a cult. His behavior is classical authoritarian cult leader stuff. I have zero respect for the people who are intelligent and informed enough to be reading these online posts and refuse to leave.
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Post by Dan on Jun 25, 2023 14:41:04 GMT -5
There is a lot of anguish, action and support on the Advocates for the Truth page on facebook. Also, do not go there if you are in a fragile place. it is very raw.
Just went there for the first time... I like this post;
Theresa Chambers "Who knew?! Apparently no one knows raping a child was illegal, immoral and just plain wrong?! But now they are educated and can do the right thing! 🙄"
Elegant sarcasm, I kinda like that..
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 25, 2023 15:25:05 GMT -5
I have just sent of an account of an offender who Ray has hidden . I believe it was a month ago when I posted about LW helping in meetings It is already posted on WINGS . I have sent it to admin , following procedures . Probably best if you go to WINGS SITE . As you know my brain 🧠 sometimes can’t line things up ……… EXTREME EXTREME TRIGGER WARNING . Please make sure your mind is in a good space . If not read it another day , please EXTREME EXTREME TRIGGER WARNING ⛔️ WOW. Just WOW. With each one of the accounts it becomes ever more clear that this is a cult. His behavior is classical authoritarian cult leader stuff. I have zero respect for the people who are intelligent and informed enough to be reading these online posts and refuse to leave. It is unbelievable and sick , deviant behavior and cruelty , the victims suffer as SOME worker’s just carry on with no conscience or integrity . Disgusting , vulgar acts done by those who we were told to bend to THE WORKERS . Yes cult behavior . No doubt openingact34 .
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Post by snow on Jun 25, 2023 16:40:03 GMT -5
There is a lot of anguish, action and support on the Advocates for the Truth page on facebook. Also, do not go there if you are in a fragile place. it is very raw. Just went there for the first time... I like this post; Theresa Chambers "Who knew?! Apparently no one knows raping a child was illegal, immoral and just plain wrong?! But now they are educated and can do the right thing! 🙄" Elegant sarcasm, I kinda like that..
She is going through a lot right now for telling her story. That is one thing that this whole exposure will do. No one can say they didn't know now. Everyone has been 'educated'. No more excuses for not believing a child and not reporting it.
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Post by snow on Jun 25, 2023 17:24:39 GMT -5
New on WINGS…… what a …. …… , …….., Jun 25 NINGS note: Mr. Hoffman issues challenge to prove cover-ups. Someone needs to take that man behind the convention building and lay a ———— on him . Send me airfare I will gladly educate his lying ass ! Wow, this just confirms what the survivor has been saying about the workers getting her family to say she's a troublemaker and the family has done this and shunned her. He 100% needs to step down. He just confirmed how he responds to those who tell their stories. I'm glad he's not afraid of jail... Here is a link to the whole Town Hall. Ray said a few things, not just this. wingsfortruth.info/2023/06/25/milford-townhall-with-ray-hoffman/comment-page-1/#comment-24806 Here is what Ray said in that townhall meeting: Someone mentioned that Ray’s name was brought up in a few posts about coverups and that people were calling on him to step down.
Ray zeroed in on one report. He painted a picture of the reporter being untrustworthy. He said “I’m not aware of anything I’ve been involved with with CSA. If people can prove that I knowingly moved a perpetrator to another field I will happily step down, I will happily step down, I will go to jail, I’m not afraid of jail. I don’t think it would be wise to step down off the suggestion of one person.”
Someone responded to Ray by saying “on the behalf of all victims, believe victims”.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 26, 2023 10:03:37 GMT -5
New post up on 🪽 WINGS Sent to admin .
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Post by Admin on Jun 27, 2023 7:42:12 GMT -5
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Post by bigtrax on Jun 27, 2023 10:14:26 GMT -5
Because I'm relatively new here I'm trying to catch up....so LW was put out of the work but not excommunicated, correct?
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Post by neighbour on Jun 27, 2023 11:18:49 GMT -5
Because I'm relatively new here I'm trying to catch up....so LW was put out of the work but not excommunicated, correct? Correct.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 27, 2023 11:30:19 GMT -5
Because I'm relatively new here I'm trying to catch up....so LW was put out of the work but not excommunicated, correct? Correct. He has been in meetings at RH request . He was just in a meeting at one of his sisters !
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Post by snow on Jun 27, 2023 14:42:13 GMT -5
Because I'm relatively new here I'm trying to catch up....so LW was put out of the work but not excommunicated, correct? Yes and even though he was put out of the work RH allowed him to speak in gospel meetings. In the letter from survivors one of them mentioned that they asked RH to kick him out of the work and he did, but he also wasn't exactly rigid about it if he allowed him to speak in Gospel meetings. He was also not banned from meetings even though from that letter, he had quite a number he allegedly abused.
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Post by jonathan on Jun 28, 2023 7:12:15 GMT -5
These o/s and workers who are involved in some cover-up of any form of abuse, if they can truly and honestly say yes they see the victims, yes they hear the victims and yes they love the victims, how deep is their love and compassion really?
Can we believe anything else these o/S and workers tell us?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 28, 2023 7:13:17 GMT -5
These o/s and workers who are involved in some cover-up of any form of abuse, if they can truly and honestly say yes they see the victims, yes they hear the victims and yes they love the victims, how deep is their love and compassion really? Can we believe anything else these o/S and workers tell us? NOPE I AM SURE I CANNOT BELIEVE ! I HAVE LIVED IN THAT WORLD THE TRAIL OF TEARS !!!!!!!
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 28, 2023 7:55:45 GMT -5
NEW LETTERS UP ON WINGS !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 28, 2023 9:07:05 GMT -5
After my final of reading of my CSA/SA FILES .,I THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE PEACE . How wrong was I to think that would be it . Not happening after I talked about my family abuser , who abused me on June 21st , 2018 . I stalk in my psyche to reveal ! Breaking point is near . I have been told that I require another year of therapy ! Go figure . Some here just don’t get it . Which is sad . From my conversations I feel the need to still listen & not report anything their request . what has landed in my messages . I believe EACH ONE TO 💯 % . WE BELIEVE YOU AND UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE ON YOUR PERSONAL JOURNEY . We are ready for when you are ready ! Standing with the victim’s .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 28, 2023 9:11:55 GMT -5
I can tell you what JP did to me . But I will leave that out . 62 years ago I feel that memory in my body . Leave the survivors alone and be prepared for what may happen on your judgment day . . The ——- is about to hit the fan again !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 28, 2023 10:50:49 GMT -5
***Missouri Update *** #1. Ira Hobbs attended Sunday morning meeting this week in defiance of being banned by Craig Winquist.
#2. Brad Holman is now on the Clever conv grounds working on a project.
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Post by jonathan on Jun 28, 2023 13:51:50 GMT -5
***Missouri Update *** #1. Ira Hobbs attended Sunday morning meeting this week in defiance of being banned by Craig Winquist. #2. Brad Holman is now on the Clever conv grounds working on a project. Hollow apologies, empty promises. "Vain creeds of men are sure to fail..." No wonder confidence in them is at an all-time low, and likely to go even lower?
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Post by kitkat95 on Jun 28, 2023 14:22:48 GMT -5
These o/s and workers who are involved in some cover-up of any form of abuse, if they can truly and honestly say yes they see the victims, yes they hear the victims and yes they love the victims, how deep is their love and compassion really? Can we believe anything else these o/S and workers tell us? I don't think workers are shepherds at all. They are hireling. Hireling care more about their position. Shepherds look after the sheep. Shepherds keep evil away from the sheep.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jun 28, 2023 14:55:12 GMT -5
***Missouri Update *** #1. Ira Hobbs attended Sunday morning meeting this week in defiance of being banned by Craig Winquist. #2. Brad Holman is now on the Clever conv grounds working on a project. Hollow apologies, empty promises. "Vain creeds of men are sure to fail..." No wonder confidence in them is at an all-time low, and likely to go even lower? Jonathan, I am a worker also. I speak with my fellow workers and the Overseers about things that concern me. Are you speaking with your fellow workers and your Overseer in the way you post on TMB? You have, so far, studiously ignored the uncomfortable questions I have asked of you. Your silence speaks loud!Unless you confirm otherwise I come to the conclusion that you don't the integrity to really stand up for what you claim to believe and post on TMB. I DO HAVE the guts to speak up to my fellow workers and Overseer for what I believe. I have done so. HAVE YOU DONE THE SAME? ( This question is for Jonathan I will be ignoring replies of people like fixit, pragmatic who have no more integrity than what Jonathan presently appears to have.)
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Post by snow on Jun 28, 2023 15:38:29 GMT -5
Hollow apologies, empty promises. "Vain creeds of men are sure to fail..." No wonder confidence in them is at an all-time low, and likely to go even lower? Jonathan, I am a worker also. I speak with my fellow workers and the Overseers about things that concern me. Are you speaking with your fellow workers and your Overseer in the way you post on TMB? You have, so far, studiously ignored the uncomfortable questions I have asked of you. Your silence speaks loud!Unless you confirm otherwise I come to the conclusion that you don't the integrity to really stand up for what you claim to believe and post on TMB. I DO HAVE the guts to speak up to my fellow workers and Overseer for what I believe. I have done so. HAVE YOU DONE THE SAME? ( This question is for Jonathan I will be ignoring replies of people like fixit, pragmatic who have no more integrity than what Jonathan presently appears to have.) I would be interested hearing what your conversations with your fellow workers and Overseer have been since this has all broken open. What are you hearing from the friends also?
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Post by internationalstudies on Jun 28, 2023 16:32:47 GMT -5
Jonathan, I am a worker also. I speak with my fellow workers and the Overseers about things that concern me. Are you speaking with your fellow workers and your Overseer in the way you post on TMB? You have, so far, studiously ignored the uncomfortable questions I have asked of you. Your silence speaks loud!Unless you confirm otherwise I come to the conclusion that you don't the integrity to really stand up for what you claim to believe and post on TMB. I DO HAVE the guts to speak up to my fellow workers and Overseer for what I believe. I have done so. HAVE YOU DONE THE SAME? ( This question is for Jonathan I will be ignoring replies of people like fixit, pragmatic who have no more integrity than what Jonathan presently appears to have.) None of your effing business ! ... No reply needed because I just skip by your posts . I don't skip your posts. I read them and respect you. I have told you that a number of times.
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Post by fixit on Jun 28, 2023 21:52:52 GMT -5
***Missouri Update *** #1. Ira Hobbs attended Sunday morning meeting this week in defiance of being banned by Craig Winquist. #2. Brad Holman is now on the Clever conv grounds working on a project. Hollow apologies, empty promises. "Vain creeds of men are sure to fail..." No wonder confidence in them is at an all-time low, and likely to go even lower? W&F want to be part of a world-wide kingdom, but you can't have a kingdom without having kings to manage it. The higher up the hierarchy a worker climbs, the more of a politician he becomes. Preservation of "the kingdom" and their place in it has a higher priority than godliness. 1 Samuel 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to govern us.” Samuel prayed to the Lord, 7 and the Lord said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them.
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Post by jonathan on Jun 28, 2023 23:41:59 GMT -5
Hollow apologies, empty promises. "Vain creeds of men are sure to fail..." No wonder confidence in them is at an all-time low, and likely to go even lower? W&F want to be part of a world-wide kingdom, but you can't have a kingdom without having kings to manage it. The higher up the hierarchy a worker climbs, the more of a politician he becomes. Preservation of "the kingdom" and their place in it has a higher priority than godliness. 1 Samuel 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to govern us.” Samuel prayed to the Lord, 7 and the Lord said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them. You've hit the nail right on the head. Christ is the King of the Kingdom (with a capital) with all it's glory and power where the Divine rules and reigns, and distracted o/s the kings of their little kingdoms (lower case) with all their politics and problems where flesh rules and reigns.
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jwatt
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Post by jwatt on Jun 29, 2023 0:36:26 GMT -5
Hollow apologies, empty promises. "Vain creeds of men are sure to fail..." No wonder confidence in them is at an all-time low, and likely to go even lower? Jonathan, I am a worker also. I speak with my fellow workers and the Overseers about things that concern me. Are you speaking with your fellow workers and your Overseer in the way you post on TMB? You have, so far, studiously ignored the uncomfortable questions I have asked of you. Your silence speaks loud!Unless you confirm otherwise I come to the conclusion that you don't the integrity to really stand up for what you claim to believe and post on TMB. I DO HAVE the guts to speak up to my fellow workers and Overseer for what I believe. I have done so. HAVE YOU DONE THE SAME? ( This question is for Jonathan I will be ignoring replies of people like fixit, pragmatic who have no more integrity than what Jonathan presently appears to have.) What makes you think Jonathan is answerable to you? He's a better person than to be engaging in your arguments.
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