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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 19:53:57 GMT -5
My question was about workers - are they responsible if they are not directly involved in the cover up, but are aware of it. In my time in the work I heard of 2 older brothers and the story was they left a trail of abuse where ever they want. As a younger sister heading this I never felt I could ask an overseer after all it was just a rumor. My brain was addled, confused, stressed to the max and barely coping. Did anyone else ask. Don’t know. Don’t think it would stay quiet now of course and it shouldn’t. The point is lots of workers know something. Always have. They talk. Part of the problem, as I see it, is that people do think that maybe it's just rumors? And, with sexual abuse.....well.....it's done in secret. That's the nature of this beast. Secrets. The abuse may not SHOW on a victim and no one knows except the abuser and the victim. But, as you say, (and thank you) lots of workers do know something...? But, I think the problem is....they are afraid to speak up or they don't know who to go to...or they HAVE gone to someone with their concerns and they were hushed up. You, as a younger worker would have likely gone to your companion first with your concerns. It's a tough deal all around. I don't know what I would have done in your shoes as a younger worker. The older I get the more outspoken I can be and less likely to put up with crap.
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Post by jane on May 20, 2023 19:56:54 GMT -5
Its been pretty obvious that Dale Schultz has been covering things up for years. Look at where he has labored, the issues and who got moved and where. You will see a pattern. We see this very clearly in the Robert Corfield situation. Clearly other workers knew about Mark H in WA, maybe not to the extent of his issues, but they knew. Mike H from Alberta has covered things up. Doyle has covered things up. If the friends talk, you know that the workers talk and know even more. It find it most disappointing that the workers have passed on their responsibility. I think they should be taking accountability for it now. I wish they would. and I don't think they should wait for victims to come forward or be forced by the friends/ex's. They should be working on this as a staff right now.
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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 20:07:10 GMT -5
Its been pretty obvious that Dale Schultz has been covering things up for years. Look at where he has labored, the issues and who got moved and where. You will see a pattern. We see this very clearly in the Robert Corfield situation. Clearly other workers knew about Mark H in WA, maybe not to the extent of his issues, but they knew. Mike H from Alberta has covered things up. Doyle has covered things up. If the friends talk, you know that the workers talk and know even more. It find it most disappointing that the workers have passed on their responsibility. I think they should be taking accountability for it now. I wish they would. and I don't think they should wait for victims to come forward or be forced by the friends/ex's. They should be working on this as a staff right now. If you see something, say something. The "work" is a workplace and they need to have high standards. If they don't, they need to get their act together. Most workplaces now require of their employees to hold each other accountable. If you see something that's not right, say something. Sure, you might step on some toes, but that is what it takes to have zero tolerance. It's not always going to "feel good" or feel like the "right spirit". So, that is a hurdle that needs to be crossed...this mindset of always having to "be nice". Jesus wasn't always "nice"! Do we just worship the nice Jesus or the WHOLE Jesus?
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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 20:09:11 GMT -5
Its been pretty obvious that Dale Schultz has been covering things up for years. Look at where he has labored, the issues and who got moved and where. You will see a pattern. We see this very clearly in the Robert Corfield situation. Clearly other workers knew about Mark H in WA, maybe not to the extent of his issues, but they knew. Mike H from Alberta has covered things up. Doyle has covered things up. If the friends talk, you know that the workers talk and know even more. It find it most disappointing that the workers have passed on their responsibility. I think they should be taking accountability for it now. I wish they would. and I don't think they should wait for victims to come forward or be forced by the friends/ex's. They should be working on this as a staff right now. If you know of a crime or are witness to a crime and you don't report it, you can be charged/guilty too. It's the law. But people get out of that in many cases. They will deny they knew anything.
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Post by Dan on May 20, 2023 20:10:30 GMT -5
Personally, as a parent, how do these male workers get access to kids unsupervised? Especially over and over again? Secondly, as a parent, I would do serious physical harm to a creep that did do something to my kid. Overseer or not.
I think you stumbled onto the cure.. Young ladies and girls also need to be educated on how to recognize and react to an aggressor. Its the grooming and trust that contributes to victimization when they comply, remain silent, and go along. A violent response is the antidote. Abusers rely on secrecy, removing that safeguard would be a great deterrent.
I admired one of 1chinesewhispers stories professing.proboards.com/thread/31968/sa-1-chinesewhispers Couldn't help but think "That a girl" after reading it. She kicked, screamed, bit, threw a knee to the groin, got out of the car and ran. That's a lesson for all 'would be' victims, along with a little pepper spray. I imagine when assault charges are filed, a perpetrator with scratches, bite marks, and swollen gonads would appear a lot more guilty too!
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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 20:19:12 GMT -5
Personally, as a parent, how do these male workers get access to kids unsupervised? Especially over and over again? Secondly, as a parent, I would do serious physical harm to a creep that did do something to my kid. Overseer or not.
I think you stumbled onto the cure.. Young ladies and girls also need to be educated on how to recognize and react to an aggressor. Its the grooming and trust that contributes to victimization when they comply, remain silent, and go along. A violent response is the antidote. Abusers rely on secrecy, removing that safeguard would be a great deterrent.
I admired one of 1chinesewhispers stories professing.proboards.com/thread/31968/sa-1-chinesewhispers Couldn't help but think "That a girl" after reading it. She kicked, screamed, bit, threw a knee to the groin, got out of the car and ran. That's a lesson for all 'would be' victims, along with a little pepper spray. I imagine when assault charges are filed, a perpetrator with scratches, bite marks, and swollen gonads would appear a lot more guilty too!
Bingo! Protective dogs are good to have too. One time I answered the door bell and there was this sketchy dude appearing as a salesman. My dog always made it to the door before me though and he backed off real quick. It was amusing. My husband told me later he was probably casing the neighborhood....
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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 20:20:22 GMT -5
I like that movie with Halley Barry...where her kid gets kidnapped and she says something like, "You picked the wrong mother!"
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Post by peggysullivan on May 20, 2023 20:25:14 GMT -5
My mother in law cracks me up. I hope some of her got into my daughter, though. No one messes with my mother in law. She can be like Mount St. Helens or a hurricane, take your pick. One time when people were doing one of her sons wrong she declared, "I'm going to rip their heads off a s_it down their windpipes!" lol
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Post by mdm on May 20, 2023 21:28:36 GMT -5
My question was about workers - are they responsible if they are not directly involved in the cover up, but are aware of it. In my time in the work I heard of 2 older brothers and the story was they left a trail of abuse where ever they want. As a younger sister heading this I never felt I could ask an overseer after all it was just a rumor. My brain was addled, confused, stressed to the max and barely coping. Did anyone else ask. Don’t know. Don’t think it would stay quiet now of course and it shouldn’t. The point is lots of workers know something. Always have. They talk. I get that. I was thinking more about overseers, not young workers. We could have a whole 10-page thread on the topic of overseers shutting down communication and creating an atmosphere where questions are not allowed...
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Post by BobWilliston on May 21, 2023 22:08:24 GMT -5
Its been pretty obvious that Dale Schultz has been covering things up for years. Look at where he has labored, the issues and who got moved and where. You will see a pattern. We see this very clearly in the Robert Corfield situation. Clearly other workers knew about Mark H in WA, maybe not to the extent of his issues, but they knew. Mike H from Alberta has covered things up. Doyle has covered things up. If the friends talk, you know that the workers talk and know even more. It find it most disappointing that the workers have passed on their responsibility. I think they should be taking accountability for it now. I wish they would. and I don't think they should wait for victims to come forward or be forced by the friends/ex's. They should be working on this as a staff right now. If you know of a crime or are witness to a crime and you don't report it, you can be charged/guilty too. It's the law. But people get out of that in many cases. They will deny they knew anything. It's not exactly just that easy. If you are a legally required reporter, you can be held responsible for not reporting. e.g. clergy, medical personnel, teachers, and some others. If you are a parent or guardian, you're probably the offender. But if you have been found responsible for not reporting another's abuse of a child in your care, you can be prosecuted for child endangerment. It is not normally incumbent on a neighbor or stranger to report, but it is normally acceptable for anyone to report such abuse. Unlike adults, children are not required to report on their own abuse.
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Post by chuck on May 22, 2023 0:19:53 GMT -5
The reality is not just one, or two, or three, but multiple overseers are thought to be enabling or involved in cover-up of some for of abuse, according to various posts on these pages. And it seems the number could increase, and also likely more evidence could come forward. So far not one has acknowledged this. As troubling as all this already are, I'm also troubled and perplexed that they don't realized the wrong of it. Speaking from own experience, putting it straight and direct to them gets you only a cold shoulder. What can be done? And how to go about it? Its quite simple really, dont show up to any of their missions meetings or conventions. If you do you are publicly announcing you are willing to put up with their actions. If you know they have done something wrong and they wont listen or are giving you the cold shoulder, dont go. Go where you are comfortable with how people are acting and stop enabling people who are acting in a improper manner.
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Post by chuck on May 22, 2023 0:31:52 GMT -5
Don't these overseers and workers realize they themselves undermine the confidence of the workers on their staff and the friends they're responsible for? Jonathan can you not see this is just another man made religous institution thats getting further away from the original intent of scripture. Its another golden calf. Can you sell it all?, or do you need it?. Matthew 13:46 [46]Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. That pearl is the gracious compassionate slow to anger and abounding in love and forgiveness character, you need to sell everything you have to get it, as far as I can tell for most 2x2's all that they have is the system and if you took it away they'd be sorrowful.... Matthew 19:16-24 [16]And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17]And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [18]He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, [19]Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [20]The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? [21]Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. [22]But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. [23]Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. [24]And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Edit. Jonathan I am not saying and nor do I believe scripture says just abandon your customs and traditions, what it is saying though is dont put them before the compassionate gracious slow.to anger and abounding in love and forgiveness character. If you cannot do that, then you get rid of your customs amd traditions as they have become an idol and yourself an idolater. Note capital LORD is to be your God and that God comes before others...... Exodus 20:2-4 [2]I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. [3]Thou shalt have no other gods before me. [4]Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: And All Hebrew people knew "the name of the LORD" meant these Character traits. Exodus 34:5-7 [5]And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. [6]And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, [7]Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
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Post by getreal on May 22, 2023 1:09:47 GMT -5
In my time in the work I heard of 2 older brothers and the story was they left a trail of abuse where ever they want. As a younger sister heading this I never felt I could ask an overseer after all it was just a rumor. My brain was addled, confused, stressed to the max and barely coping. Did anyone else ask. Don’t know. Don’t think it would stay quiet now of course and it shouldn’t. The point is lots of workers know something. Always have. They talk. I get that. I was thinking more about overseers, not young workers. We could have a whole 10-page thread on the topic of overseers shutting down communication and creating an atmosphere where questions are not allowed... Don’t just blame overseer’s or brother workers. I couldn’t speak up to older sisters either. Its a system that does not allow for individuality of thought. That is the warp and weave. You leave your own thinking behind. After a while I didn’t know how to think. Its complete subjugation of the mind. You have to trust and obey. In that sense it functions exactly as a cult. We haven’t talked enough about this.
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Post by fixit on May 22, 2023 1:28:48 GMT -5
To what extent are the friends involved or enabling these cover-ups? I've watched for probably around 30 years as many good people have tried to correct the ungodliness and have been swatted like flies. The mess in Vietnam is one example: www.tellingthetruth.info/history_divisions/vietnam.phpWe only want the Workers and Friends to know the truth about what has happened in Vietnam, especially the Vietnamese Friends around the world. We have written this Account so others can examine the situation and understand things as they really are. Things that even the Vietnamese Friends and Workers never knew about--evil things that were hidden and covered up with a beautiful outer surface! It is our sincere hope that the Overseers and Workers do not repeat this behavior again in another place as they have done in the past at Alberta, Canada and more recently in Vietnam. We thank God for opening a way for us through the internet so we could understand and be comforted by our Friends in many other places throughout the world who have had similar experiences. Our only purpose is to tell the truth so no one can continue to destroy the peace of God any more! We value the Fellowship with each other and with God very much. We were very satisfied in God’s Way until the Canadian Workers ( Dale Shultz, Lyle Shultz and Darrel Turner) came to VN and caused trouble and changed many things. We only desire to have the Fellowship, love and unity that we had for many years previously before all the unnecessary changes were made. Throughout our lives, nearly 50 years of following God, we have felt that our lives have been far richer than we could ever have imagined. We wanted and prayed that a miracle would be done to correct everything back to the right. But finally, we gave up. Sad to say, the Golden Time wasn’t allowed to continue as it should have! What has happened in Vietnam has pained us deeply and made us very sad. We all talked to and wrote many letters to ask the Canadian Workers to make things right as Jesus had taught. It seemed that the Canadian Overseers just didn’t care about solving the many issues. We waited for a long time believing a solution would open up…but it was hopeless! We learned that the solution is to keep the truth and go on. Surely, we want to obey what the Lord teaches us in the Bible, even if that means we disagree with the Overseers’ leading. Dale Shultz even warned the Friends in a letter: “… this effort requires your full cooperation. We appeal to all of you to work closely and cooperatively with Lyle and Lloyd. This is the order that our great teacher honors and blesses and is the only hope of unity and joy being restored in fullest measure. We miss the sweet Fellowship that we had a long time ago in the Golden Time, but we have not written this Account because we want to have Fellowship with them again (although there are many good Friends still there.) Right now we are leaning on what the Spirit spoke to the Church at Thyratira in Revelation 2:25 “Only hold fast to what you have until I come.” Our family did not leave the 2x2 Fellowship in VN because we read the TTT website or any other similar websites. We left because we saw that the new Overseers in our country were leading the folks without the Spirit of God. We did not see the love and unity among the Workers, and did not find the truth in their words. Many other bad works we have seen and heard about how they have treated the Friends and Workers who didn't obey or bow down to their rule. We also didn’t agree with the Overseers saying the Workers should be given the highest place of respect. (While our Lord Jesus gave us a big example in the Bible in cleaning his disciples’ feet. How humble HE IS). That’s the reason our family decided to leave Meetings. We are holding much information, material, letters and even recordings concerning the troubling things that took place throughout the past three years, 2010 thru 2013 which we are sharing with you here. (see Appendix) The Golden Friends viewpoint: "Submission to the will of the organization is not always the same as submission to the will of God."
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 22, 2023 8:40:30 GMT -5
We can ensure you Vietnam is one the radar !
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Post by Pragmatic on May 22, 2023 15:44:38 GMT -5
We can ensure you Vietnam is one the radar ! I assume you mean, "We can assure you that Vietnam is on the radar!"
(Had to be the grammar police before Wally!)
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 22, 2023 16:08:45 GMT -5
Whew thanks , you know how brain doesn’t always work . Ya Wally has missed a few spelling mistakes lately . Thx 🙃
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 22, 2023 17:09:24 GMT -5
If you want a reality check , YOU MUST BE VERY STRONG TO READ OR LISTEN TO THE Baby Brianna story on YouTube .
I AM ADVISING THIS IS THE MOST EVIL OF EVIL ! I have cautioned you . If you have a problem on here , hearing about CSA ON HERE , DON’T GO THERE . Because you will be devastated and broken and sobbing at deviant behavior of these sick people TRIGGER WARNING ABSOLUTELY TRIGGER WARNING !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 22, 2023 18:35:13 GMT -5
I don’t know !! But we have a WORKER ON HERE USING TWO NAMES BEWARE ! Maybe the o/s is on that worker for doing so !! That is very deceitful .
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Post by christiansburg on May 22, 2023 21:00:36 GMT -5
The reality is not just one, or two, or three, but multiple overseers are thought to be enabling or involved in cover-up of some for of abuse, according to various posts on these pages. And it seems the number could increase, and also likely more evidence could come forward. So far not one has acknowledged this. As troubling as all this already are, I'm also troubled and perplexed that they don't realized the wrong of it. Speaking from own experience, putting it straight and direct to them gets you only a cold shoulder. What can be done? And how to go about it? I talked to a husband and wife living in Texas several years ago on this subject. I suggested they go slow with their complaint, don't be pushy and maybe you will be heard. To no avail it still backfired. There is a mindset that will not change. Someone on this board said we have already entered crisis mode with complaints to investigators. Maybe when more have fallen we will all be heard.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 22, 2023 21:37:41 GMT -5
A new victim coming up !! The party of SCA/SA Has told their story . I believe it’s on wings site . I have passed it off to the corrected parties !
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Post by meg1 on May 22, 2023 22:26:22 GMT -5
A new victim coming up !! The party of SCA/SA Has told their story . I believe it’s on wings site . I have passed it off to the corrected parties ! Thanks 1chinesewhispers. I wept as I read the victim statement on Wings. My tears were coming because I feel profound sorrow for the survivor, and profound rage at the failure of the adults to provide care as was their duty. And still duty has failed. The letter from the brother workers rightly stated that this is a public matter. I think that acknowledgement is a positive sign of dawning understanding. Reviewing the matter later is not. I have a legal question for anyone who may know the answer. I understand, much as it boggles my mind, that crimes of CSA and SA have a statute of limitations regarding prosecution in some states. My question is does the same apply to failure to report CSA?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 22, 2023 22:36:18 GMT -5
Not in Canada . No statute of limitations , thankfully ! I am sorry you feel that way . It hurts so bad . The betrayal is overwhelming .
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Post by meg1 on May 22, 2023 22:44:16 GMT -5
Thanks 1chinesewhispers. I do know Canadian law. However I am wondering about the American legal system with this question. My coping mechanism is to understand the battle field. Thank you for your care.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 22, 2023 22:45:11 GMT -5
Sorry yes
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 22, 2023 22:46:19 GMT -5
I don’t no , but I will find out . I will speak or text Cynthia
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Post by BobWilliston on May 23, 2023 2:06:00 GMT -5
The reality is not just one, or two, or three, but multiple overseers are thought to be enabling or involved in cover-up of some for of abuse, according to various posts on these pages. And it seems the number could increase, and also likely more evidence could come forward. So far not one has acknowledged this. As troubling as all this already are, I'm also troubled and perplexed that they don't realized the wrong of it. Speaking from own experience, putting it straight and direct to them gets you only a cold shoulder. What can be done? And how to go about it? Its quite simple really, dont show up to any of their missions meetings or conventions. If you do you are publicly announcing you are willing to put up with their actions. If you know they have done something wrong and they wont listen or are giving you the cold shoulder, dont go. Go where you are comfortable with how people are acting and stop enabling people who are acting in a improper manner. I have twice turned around and gone home when I saw a certain car in front of the meeting house. I stopped taking pills to be able to face them in the meeting.
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Post by alwaysbekind on May 23, 2023 4:02:37 GMT -5
To me, you have to change the culture.
I can’t speak for other countries, but in America, in our culture, it’s the same way. It doesn’t get talked about in school. It doesn’t get talked about at work. Heck, I didn’t even know about what all it does to victims until I’ve researched it the past couple months. How would I know? It’s never hit close to home for me. Nobody wants to deal with this or talk about it inside or out of the truth. I’m a little surprised, since progress has been made on the #metoo movement for sexual assault/inappropriate. there’s a big spotlight on sex trafficking. but there’s been no big public CSA push, and that’s very sad. But why is that? I think it’s because nobody wants the Spotlight to turn on. If you look at the stats, 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 13 boys have had CSA. 40% of those cases come from family members. That means everybody will have loved ones and close close family members going to prison. That does not mean it’s right, but I believe this is a big reason on why it’s not exposed. How many of us would be super anxious to investigate all of our friends and family, and put them on a lie detector, and have a confidential hotline on your family and friends sent out to everybody? Yeah, me neither if I’m honest. So I, like a lot of people, would have a tendency to only do some thing about it only if I see it or hear about it, when it comes to my own friends and family. There’s a lot of big talkers on here, but if push comes to shove, I wonder how many would follow through. I think I would, and hope I would. I’m a believer on turning crimes into the authorities and letting them investigate, but it be very very hard to send my father or mother to prison.
Speaking of culture, a lot of this is a generational thing. the younger the generation, the more open and real the talks anything and everything. Depression, mental health disorders, sex, CSA, you name it. But the old timers, the ones in overseer positions and in leadership positions around the world, they come from that generation where you DO NOT TALK about anything like that, because that’s how the whole world was in that generation. And you know the phrase old dogs new tricks. To me, this is no excuse, but that’s the culture that they grew up in and that’s the reality. That’s why it’s so hard to change, some of that culture and generation Has to die out, or get forced out, or change. I guarantee there were a bunch of old sister workers and old brother workers in that three day workshop meeting in Texas who heard more about CSA and that weekend and they have their WHOLE life. That generation just didn’t talk about it. And good for them for sitting through that, and not walking out. The new generations has its own set of issues issues, but that’s one good thing about this generation.
One thing that should be encouraging to everybody, whether you believe it or not, is that there has never been such an outcry from With in the friends, for change. It’s like Perry Pearson said in his letter, “the church is demanding…”We’ve never seen a public hotline, seen this outrage. There needs to be a tipping point for the culture to change, and I believe that has happened in the Truth. It hasn’t happened in America society, but I believe there is real change coming, and will stay in the Way. Out with the old culture, in with a new.
To answer the original question, what to do with workers involved in coverups, to me that’s a little more complex. I don’t know the answer, but I know someone who had knowledge of the crimes, names of the perpetrators and names of the victims and several accusations, they should be treated way way more harshly than someone who heard through the grapevine or maybe you saw some smoke, but never investigated themselves for fire.
My last tidbit will not be popular here but I think it’s good for everybody to keep in the back of their mind. At least chew on it and spit it out. I’ve read dozens and dozens and dozens of remarks on here how the overseers are covering it up because they’re evil and that’s all there is to it. I want you to at least look at it from the other side. Looking at it from the other side does not make you a bad person. It helps you see the full picture and keep things in proportion. Everybody has it all figured out until they’re in a place of leader ship, and have to make tough decisions. I do not believe all of the overseers have covered it up, because they are evil. I believe it’s more complex than that. I believe they are from a different generation, see above. I don’t think they know the magnitude of the damage that CSA causes. I don’t think they’re educated enough to know that this isn’t just something you do once, and feel remorseful and move on. That is the small percentage, most of them leave awake of victims. But you don’t know what you don’t know. You could be mad at them for not knowing, but some of this is ignorance. Also, they don’t have a manual on what to do. They feel true to their calling, and know how they would feel if they were asked to leave the work. Also, if you’re up there on the platform, and you preach that you’ve got to forgive a brother and move on, or forgive us sister, and move on, and have grace, and we are all sinners and deserve another chance. Is it so easy to turn right around and not show a brother worker mercy to give them another chance? Especially if that perpetrator seems remorseful and sorry he did it? obviously you know how I feel, I believe a crime should be punished by authorities. But not everybody shares that belief, and that’s what I hope is changing.
Anyways, hope that’s a good little thought exercise that I haven’t heard on here this forum. It’s apparent that some of you haven’t really exercise that different part of your brain for a while. I am in no way justifying what they did, but a little empathy a little understanding can maybe go along ways. That also doesn’t mean we can’t ask them to step down, or let the authorities investigate. Somethings aren’t as easy as they seem, everything’s complex when you’re dealing with people and awkward situation’s. Not every case is as easy as the Dean Brewer case.
Oofta! Heavy stuff!
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