peggysullivan
Senior Member
What is living if I can't be free? What is freedom if I can't be me?
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Post by peggysullivan on May 10, 2023 16:59:54 GMT -5
It looks like they have started cleansing the ranks in the East too. 3 workers so far? Are they going to publicly admit that they've been harboring immoral/abusers in the ministry for decades and publicly apologize to those who have been harmed along the way? If not, it's not sincere. Only damage control. Yeah.......very interesting. I just heard the names from someone, but not sure if it's official. At what point do they take a look at underlying causes and maybe realize the celibate ministry is just not a GOOD thing?
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Post by lk1243 on May 11, 2023 15:59:45 GMT -5
SA/CSA is so insidious--it is a difficult crime to detect. It is sad that there have been victims in this church and that it seems not a small number of ministers are guilty. I don't blame ministers for being clumsy in handling this--this is a new world for the 2x2s. However, it is also very reassuring to see that the church is taking the time to address the problem! That is a sign that the spirit of truth is still present. Hopefully a well-discerned balance is found to maintain a godly discretion while also rooting out what is wrong and ensuring victims receive justice and support. If they really cared for the victims they would eliminate the exclusivity doctrine from their arsenal. This doctrine creates no escape for people who believe they will become a lost sheep (destined for hell) if they leave the 2x2 way. The truth is that exclusivity (at least in the Western USA) is basically dead.
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Post by luke2236 on May 11, 2023 16:51:36 GMT -5
If they really cared for the victims they would eliminate the exclusivity doctrine from their arsenal. This doctrine creates no escape for people who believe they will become a lost sheep (destined for hell) if they leave the 2x2 way. The truth is that exclusivity (at least in the Western USA) is basically dead. If that were true my California relatives would have been gone a long time ago. It’s gone when they pray for other churches and their pastors who are called by God.
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Post by verna on May 11, 2023 19:58:38 GMT -5
If they really cared for the victims they would eliminate the exclusivity doctrine from their arsenal. This doctrine creates no escape for people who believe they will become a lost sheep (destined for hell) if they leave the 2x2 way. The truth is that exclusivity (at least in the Western USA) is basically dead. If exclusivity is gone the workers certainly need to tell the “flock” that. Instead I still hear that others are likely going to hell although maybe not in so many words. Same old same old from what I hear.
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Post by luke2236 on May 11, 2023 21:13:45 GMT -5
Let’s just point to one of the main reasons there are so many allegations and apologies and then periods of quiet then repeat. Nothing is systematically being done to prevent the people in charge from being caught or civilly gone after. professing.proboards.com/thread/25089/2x2-business-model-exposedFound this from 2017. Think about if in 2017, the 2x2 had implemented a legal church system of accountability. Really makes you think and wonder how many victims would have been prevented if the 2x2 had an accounting system that held them accountable. “ The beauty of this business model, despite being illegal, is that if one of the 'Workers' commits a crime such as sexually assaulting a child, the victims of the crime are unable to successfully sue for damages from the Worker since the Worker himself/herself has no personal assets to seize. In a normal organization, the victims could sue the organization as well. But in 2x2ism case who do you sue since you don't even know who controls what or where the money is? Furthermore, there is no 2x2 legal entity to sue. This is the exact legal defense that a 2x2 Overseer used - that he was not a minister since there was no church that he was a minister of, and therefore how could he be held accountable. Beautiful. This is exactly how organized crime is set up. Even worse, all that hidden away money is then used by Overseers to pay for expensive lawyers to defend any 2x2 minister charged with a crime. What a racket. Or to put it in legal terms - racketeering. Thankfully in the US the Dept of Justice can use the RICO act to pierce the organizational structure. ” Are there people high up in government protecting this system? Plenty of successful racketeering cases have been brought in the past against much more sophisticated actors... If what I read on here is true....this has been operating as you describe for some time. Does somebody powerful stand to be embarrassed if a real case is brought forward? Only one way to find our! Join the 2x2s! That way you can experience the joy first hand
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Post by BobWilliston on May 11, 2023 23:52:46 GMT -5
Are there people high up in government protecting this system? Plenty of successful racketeering cases have been brought in the past against much more sophisticated actors... If what I read on here is true....this has been operating as you describe for some time. Does somebody powerful stand to be embarrassed if a real case is brought forward? Only one way to find our! Join the 2x2s! That way you can experience the joy first hand Why are you picking on this guy? He's at least as with-it as you are.
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Post by luke2236 on May 12, 2023 10:22:54 GMT -5
Only one way to find our! Join the 2x2s! That way you can experience the joy first hand Why are you picking on this guy? He's at least as with-it as you are. I just think he should join the work. He claims to be naive to the 2x2 way and he seems to appreciate it very much
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