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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 8, 2023 21:32:57 GMT -5
To their master they become a slave Till we meet again some other day Where silence speaks as loud as war Earth returns to what it was before And then you sense a change Contact is all it takes To change your life to lose your place in time Contact, asleep or awake Coming around you may wake up to find Questions deep within your eyes Now more than ever you realize And then you sense a change Nothing feels the same All your dreams are strange kindness comes walkin' in Some kind of alien Waits for the opening Then simply pulls a string Another world, some other time You lay your sanity on the line Familiar faces familiar sights Reach back remember with all your might
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Post by mangochango on Apr 12, 2023 14:49:15 GMT -5
Has Ray Hoffmann been notified Unfortunately Ray knowing will do absolutely nothing. Ray is covering up other violators who are still in the work and he allows other that are known about to continue going to meetings.
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Post by matisse on Apr 12, 2023 19:35:29 GMT -5
Has Ray Hoffmann been notified Unfortunately Ray knowing will do absolutely nothing. Ray is covering up other violators who are still in the work and he allows other that are known about to continue going to meetings. I believe you, mangochango.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 22:46:23 GMT -5
Dear WA/N ID/AK workers, elders & friends, During these difficult weeks I’ve been keenly aware of your prayers & support. Words cannot express how meaningful your help has been during this time. Thanks so much! First, I want to personally apologize for the times I have ‘tuned out’ the muted cry of a wounded, frightened person and left their plea for help unheeded. I am saddened and deeply sorry to know that my responses (or lack thereof) have hindered justice and/or healing in some way. I hope you will forgive me for this. Along with our collective staff, I understand that many things must be different going forward. Even though many steps are still not defined, the following are a few of the things we are committed to: 1) We are going to ask everyone on our staff and the elders to take training courses regarding CSA (Child Sexual Abuse). We will not become investigators, counselors, etc., but we will educate ourselves, which is crucial for raising our awareness and safety levels. One of the courses we will take is called Ministry Safe ( ministrysafe.com/the-safety-system/awareness-training/). There is also a robust and free course (both General and Clergy segments) available from California (https://mandatedreporterca.com/). We also encourage each of you to sign up for one of these programs. 2) We are preparing a website to share important resources and guidelines regarding CSA. The site will contain information for workers, elders, parents, and children. Our goal is for all of us to do our part to keep each other safe. The information will be updated as new resources become available. We will also list several options for people who wish to report an incident of CSA or other types of abuse. I will send you a link to the site when it becomes active in the next little while. 3) Going forward, we will have a zero-tolerance policy regarding CSA. If we are made aware of CSA violations involving a victim who is presently a minor, we will report it to authorities immediately, in compliance with the law. If an adult confides in us about a personal CSA incident that occurred in their youth, we will urge them to consult professionals who can help them proceed in an advisable manner. We will support all who need support, and if the abuser is a present danger, will report this to authorities as mandated by the law. Trust doesn’t come from demanding it, but by earning it. We’ve broken trust and we realize rebuilding that trust will be a process. We know you need more than a list of promises from us. You need to see proof that we care deeply for the most vulnerable people among us and that we will do all we can to protect them. You need to be assured that we will not shame or condemn victims… ever. You need evidence that we are being motivated and kept by divine love. These things are not too much to ask. This is what we want as well. Likely there is a lot that this letter doesn’t say that it should say. Hopefully you will feel free to contact me or any of the other workers with your concerns. Undoubtedly, part of our present trouble is the result of us not listening enough, or not listening with a full understanding. We want to hear from you and NEED to hear from you. We have a great opportunity ahead of us, but it won’t come from quickly dismissing the reality of where we are today. We are at an important crossroads and only through genuine confession, humility and repentance will we make the right turn. We’ve got a lot of work in front of us, but I’m convinced by God’s grace our best days are ahead. With care and appreciation in Christ Darryl
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 22:47:24 GMT -5
An official Truth website.
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Post by mountain on Apr 14, 2023 15:38:29 GMT -5
Dear WA/N ID/AK workers, elders & friends, During these difficult weeks I’ve been keenly aware of your prayers & support. Words cannot express how meaningful your help has been during this time. Thanks so much! First, I want to personally apologize for the times I have ‘tuned out’ the muted cry of a wounded, frightened person and left their plea for help unheeded. I am saddened and deeply sorry to know that my responses (or lack thereof) have hindered justice and/or healing in some way. I hope you will forgive me for this. Along with our collective staff, I understand that many things must be different going forward. Even though many steps are still not defined, the following are a few of the things we are committed to: 1) We are going to ask everyone on our staff and the elders to take training courses regarding CSA (Child Sexual Abuse). We will not become investigators, counselors, etc., but we will educate ourselves, which is crucial for raising our awareness and safety levels. One of the courses we will take is called Ministry Safe ( ministrysafe.com/the-safety-system/awareness-training/). There is also a robust and free course (both General and Clergy segments) available from California (https://mandatedreporterca.com/). We also encourage each of you to sign up for one of these programs. 2) We are preparing a website to share important resources and guidelines regarding CSA. The site will contain information for workers, elders, parents, and children. Our goal is for all of us to do our part to keep each other safe. The information will be updated as new resources become available. We will also list several options for people who wish to report an incident of CSA or other types of abuse. I will send you a link to the site when it becomes active in the next little while. 3) Going forward, we will have a zero-tolerance policy regarding CSA. If we are made aware of CSA violations involving a victim who is presently a minor, we will report it to authorities immediately, in compliance with the law. If an adult confides in us about a personal CSA incident that occurred in their youth, we will urge them to consult professionals who can help them proceed in an advisable manner. We will support all who need support, and if the abuser is a present danger, will report this to authorities as mandated by the law. Trust doesn’t come from demanding it, but by earning it. We’ve broken trust and we realize rebuilding that trust will be a process. We know you need more than a list of promises from us. You need to see proof that we care deeply for the most vulnerable people among us and that we will do all we can to protect them. You need to be assured that we will not shame or condemn victims… ever. You need evidence that we are being motivated and kept by divine love. These things are not too much to ask. This is what we want as well. Likely there is a lot that this letter doesn’t say that it should say. Hopefully you will feel free to contact me or any of the other workers with your concerns. Undoubtedly, part of our present trouble is the result of us not listening enough, or not listening with a full understanding. We want to hear from you and NEED to hear from you. We have a great opportunity ahead of us, but it won’t come from quickly dismissing the reality of where we are today. We are at an important crossroads and only through genuine confession, humility and repentance will we make the right turn. We’ve got a lot of work in front of us, but I’m convinced by God’s grace our best days are ahead. With care and appreciation in Christ Darryl Many thanks for posting this Walls. It is very much appreciated. Hopefully it will come to fruition soon. Time to celebrate by firing a full chamber into the air!
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Post by SharonArnold on Apr 14, 2023 15:50:55 GMT -5
Dear WA/N ID/AK workers, elders & friends, During these difficult weeks I’ve been keenly aware of your prayers & support. Words cannot express how meaningful your help has been during this time. Thanks so much! First, I want to personally apologize for the times I have ‘tuned out’ the muted cry of a wounded, frightened person and left their plea for help unheeded. I am saddened and deeply sorry to know that my responses (or lack thereof) have hindered justice and/or healing in some way. I hope you will forgive me for this. Along with our collective staff, I understand that many things must be different going forward. Even though many steps are still not defined, the following are a few of the things we are committed to: 1) We are going to ask everyone on our staff and the elders to take training courses regarding CSA (Child Sexual Abuse). We will not become investigators, counselors, etc., but we will educate ourselves, which is crucial for raising our awareness and safety levels. One of the courses we will take is called Ministry Safe ( ministrysafe.com/the-safety-system/awareness-training/). There is also a robust and free course (both General and Clergy segments) available from California (https://mandatedreporterca.com/). We also encourage each of you to sign up for one of these programs. 2) We are preparing a website to share important resources and guidelines regarding CSA. The site will contain information for workers, elders, parents, and children. Our goal is for all of us to do our part to keep each other safe. The information will be updated as new resources become available. We will also list several options for people who wish to report an incident of CSA or other types of abuse. I will send you a link to the site when it becomes active in the next little while. 3) Going forward, we will have a zero-tolerance policy regarding CSA. If we are made aware of CSA violations involving a victim who is presently a minor, we will report it to authorities immediately, in compliance with the law. If an adult confides in us about a personal CSA incident that occurred in their youth, we will urge them to consult professionals who can help them proceed in an advisable manner. We will support all who need support, and if the abuser is a present danger, will report this to authorities as mandated by the law. Trust doesn’t come from demanding it, but by earning it. We’ve broken trust and we realize rebuilding that trust will be a process. We know you need more than a list of promises from us. You need to see proof that we care deeply for the most vulnerable people among us and that we will do all we can to protect them. You need to be assured that we will not shame or condemn victims… ever. You need evidence that we are being motivated and kept by divine love. These things are not too much to ask. This is what we want as well. Likely there is a lot that this letter doesn’t say that it should say. Hopefully you will feel free to contact me or any of the other workers with your concerns. Undoubtedly, part of our present trouble is the result of us not listening enough, or not listening with a full understanding. We want to hear from you and NEED to hear from you. We have a great opportunity ahead of us, but it won’t come from quickly dismissing the reality of where we are today. We are at an important crossroads and only through genuine confession, humility and repentance will we make the right turn. We’ve got a lot of work in front of us, but I’m convinced by God’s grace our best days are ahead. With care and appreciation in Christ Darryl I find this letter quite remarkable. Kudos to Darryl, whoever he is. I have two initial reactions: 1) Why did it take you so long? 2) You will be judged by your actions not your words. I have zero inside knowledge of this situation. I have been out of the 2X2's and at peace with my decision for many years. I know/knew many really good people, both innies and outies, working to make CSA an non-issue within the fellowship, and I have to say that I was probably complacent, thinking much more progress had been made than seems apparent now. (Anyone else missing Scott Ross?) In seeing this degree of reaction, I would instinctively think that the situation is probably worse than many of us could imagine. For the record, I don't much care what two consenting adults do with their respective body parts, even if there is a lot of hypocrisy involved. I deeply care when little kids are involved, and if there is a degree of coercion, regardless of ages. To me, that is completely unacceptable, and if you have a worldview that allows you to somehow ignore/dismiss these kinds of activities, you are a disgrace of a human being. And I don't think God would view you much differently than I do.
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Post by snow on Apr 14, 2023 16:07:02 GMT -5
Dear WA/N ID/AK workers, elders & friends, During these difficult weeks I’ve been keenly aware of your prayers & support. Words cannot express how meaningful your help has been during this time. Thanks so much! First, I want to personally apologize for the times I have ‘tuned out’ the muted cry of a wounded, frightened person and left their plea for help unheeded. I am saddened and deeply sorry to know that my responses (or lack thereof) have hindered justice and/or healing in some way. I hope you will forgive me for this. Along with our collective staff, I understand that many things must be different going forward. Even though many steps are still not defined, the following are a few of the things we are committed to: 1) We are going to ask everyone on our staff and the elders to take training courses regarding CSA (Child Sexual Abuse). We will not become investigators, counselors, etc., but we will educate ourselves, which is crucial for raising our awareness and safety levels. One of the courses we will take is called Ministry Safe ( ministrysafe.com/the-safety-system/awareness-training/). There is also a robust and free course (both General and Clergy segments) available from California (https://mandatedreporterca.com/). We also encourage each of you to sign up for one of these programs. 2) We are preparing a website to share important resources and guidelines regarding CSA. The site will contain information for workers, elders, parents, and children. Our goal is for all of us to do our part to keep each other safe. The information will be updated as new resources become available. We will also list several options for people who wish to report an incident of CSA or other types of abuse. I will send you a link to the site when it becomes active in the next little while. 3) Going forward, we will have a zero-tolerance policy regarding CSA. If we are made aware of CSA violations involving a victim who is presently a minor, we will report it to authorities immediately, in compliance with the law. If an adult confides in us about a personal CSA incident that occurred in their youth, we will urge them to consult professionals who can help them proceed in an advisable manner. We will support all who need support, and if the abuser is a present danger, will report this to authorities as mandated by the law. Trust doesn’t come from demanding it, but by earning it. We’ve broken trust and we realize rebuilding that trust will be a process. We know you need more than a list of promises from us. You need to see proof that we care deeply for the most vulnerable people among us and that we will do all we can to protect them. You need to be assured that we will not shame or condemn victims… ever. You need evidence that we are being motivated and kept by divine love. These things are not too much to ask. This is what we want as well. Likely there is a lot that this letter doesn’t say that it should say. Hopefully you will feel free to contact me or any of the other workers with your concerns. Undoubtedly, part of our present trouble is the result of us not listening enough, or not listening with a full understanding. We want to hear from you and NEED to hear from you. We have a great opportunity ahead of us, but it won’t come from quickly dismissing the reality of where we are today. We are at an important crossroads and only through genuine confession, humility and repentance will we make the right turn. We’ve got a lot of work in front of us, but I’m convinced by God’s grace our best days are ahead. With care and appreciation in Christ Darryl I have to say that this is the first letter that I've read that addresses the situation, doesn't make excuses, doesn't talk about preserving the 'kingdom' more than the issue, and it sounds like finally some real life changes are going to happen. This letter felt like they finally understand the issues. I have to say though that the situation must be more dire than any of us ever imagined. I hope that this letter went out to every friend and worker in the world. I noticed a week ago that there were still 4 regions that didn't have a letter issued to them by their overseer. Hopefully one has been issued since that I haven't seen. So far, these are the US States for which no Notification Letters have surfaced yet by Overseers: IN/IL – MJ KY/TN – J F MI/OH/W.VA – G H (B B=Cen Ohio) New England/NY, NJ, PA, DE – R H
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Post by Admin on Apr 14, 2023 19:25:22 GMT -5
Excerpt of latest email from Darryl Whatshisname: 2) We are preparing a website to share important resources and guidelines regarding CSA. The site will contain information for workers, elders, parents, and children. Our goal is for all of us to do our part to keep each other safe. The information will be updated as new resources become available. We will also list several options for people who wish to report an incident of CSA or other types of abuse. I will send you a link to the site when it becomes active in the next little while. Darryl An official Truth website. Never thought I'd see that. Yes it's a good letter. What was the distribution, we wonder? For the cynical, this will potentially cover a lot of backsides, if the situation becomes much worse (many more worker perp's, many historical cover-ups) than currently known. At least they can say, at last we're acting appropriately. Which in itself, is good!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2023 1:18:27 GMT -5
Excerpt of latest email from Darryl Whatshisname: 2) We are preparing a website to share important resources and guidelines regarding CSA. The site will contain information for workers, elders, parents, and children. Our goal is for all of us to do our part to keep each other safe. The information will be updated as new resources become available. We will also list several options for people who wish to report an incident of CSA or other types of abuse. I will send you a link to the site when it becomes active in the next little while. Darryl An official Truth website. Never thought I'd see that. Yes it's a good letter. What was the distribution, we wonder? For the cynical, this will potentially cover a lot of backsides, if the situation becomes much worse (many more worker perp's, many historical cover-ups) than currently known. At least they can say, at last we're acting appropriately. Which in itself, is good! Darryl Doland, we used to call him "the baby worker" he had such a very young face... Distribution? Probably far and wide...
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 15, 2023 9:27:22 GMT -5
An official Truth website. Never thought I'd see that. Do you really believe this will be anything official? Or something put together by a worker or saint that knows html. I’m most excited to see who the site is registered to.
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 15, 2023 9:33:54 GMT -5
Has Ray Hoffmann been notified Unfortunately Ray knowing will do absolutely nothing. Ray is covering up other violators who are still in the work and he allows other that are known about to continue going to meetings. Is Ray the US Archbishop equivalent?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 15, 2023 13:21:06 GMT -5
Excerpt of latest email from Darryl Whatshisname: Yes it's a good letter. What was the distribution, we wonder? For the cynical, this will potentially cover a lot of backsides, if the situation becomes much worse (many more worker perp's, many historical cover-ups) than currently known. At least they can say, at last we're acting appropriately. Which in itself, is good! Darryl Doland, we used to call him "the baby worker" he had such a very young face... Distribution? Probably far and wide... Wally , how many states are shutting down meetings ? Just in your area ? Or across the entire USA 🇺🇸 ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2023 20:59:53 GMT -5
Darryl Doland, we used to call him "the baby worker" he had such a very young face... Distribution? Probably far and wide... Wally , how many states are shutting down meetings ? Just in your area ? Or across the entire USA 🇺🇸 ? Part of Western WA(4 fields?), not all...I have no idea what other places are doing...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2023 21:02:37 GMT -5
An official Truth website. Never thought I'd see that. Do you really believe this will be anything official? Or something put together by a worker or saint that knows html. I’m most excited to see who the site is registered to. It will be sanctioned by the Workers, I don't think it matters who writes the code. Registered ownership can be blocked from viewing it.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 15, 2023 21:04:18 GMT -5
Wally , how many states are shutting down meetings ? Just in your area ? Or across the entire USA 🇺🇸 ? Part of Western WA(4 fields?), not all...I have no idea what other places are doing... Thx ☺️
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 15, 2023 21:38:44 GMT -5
Do you really believe this will be anything official? Or something put together by a worker or saint that knows html. I’m most excited to see who the site is registered to. It will be sanctioned by the Workers, I don't think it matters who writes the code. Registered ownership can be blocked from viewing it. I think it matters
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2023 21:46:01 GMT -5
It will be sanctioned by the Workers, I don't think it matters who writes the code. Registered ownership can be blocked from viewing it. I think it matters Knock yourself out looking for it then...no one will stop you...
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 15, 2023 21:52:41 GMT -5
Wally, I messaged you.
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 15, 2023 22:09:29 GMT -5
Knock yourself out looking for it then...no one will stop you... I’m excited to see the name of the website for the church with no name. Interesting technicality. It’s ok to have a name if it’s virtual. I’m sure it will be more of a list of links than a website. They should just used the professing pro boards.
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Post by learner on Apr 19, 2023 5:58:11 GMT -5
Has Ray Hoffmann been notified Who is Ray Hoffmann?
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Post by learner on Apr 19, 2023 14:15:10 GMT -5
Wally , how many states are shutting down meetings ? Just in your area ? Or across the entire USA 🇺🇸 ? Part of Western WA(4 fields?), not all...I have no idea what other places are doing... What meetings are they shutting down? Sunday fellowship, study or gospel mtgs? And why?
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Post by snow on Apr 19, 2023 17:38:37 GMT -5
Part of Western WA(4 fields?), not all...I have no idea what other places are doing... What meetings are they shutting down? Sunday fellowship, study or gospel mtgs? And why? I believe wally said in another post that they were shutting down gospel meetings early. @wally correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by DumSpiroSpero on Apr 20, 2023 0:23:06 GMT -5
Private Investigator, Cynthia LilesMy name is Cynthia Dykstra Liles. I am a private investigator, and I have specialized in child sex abuse and sex assault cases since approximately 2009. I have been involved in hundreds of cases involving institutions of trust, including public and private schools, Boy Scouts and other youth-serving organizations, and churches such as the Catholic, Mormon, and Assemblies of God churches. I grew up in the Truth in Montana and quit going to meetings 30 years ago. I am not anti-Truth and never have been. I have many, many dear friends and family in the church. In 2010, a case came across my desk involving a victim of a former Worker. I discussed with attorneys at the time that there may be no path forward for restitution as there was no formal institution to sue. Late last year, another attorney reached out regarding two victims of a former Worker. Again, we could think of no path forward against an institution, so we began pursuing other avenues against the perpetrator. As we were working on those cases, I began to learn of more and more alleged perpetrators in the Truth. It was alarming, and I decided to start a confidential spreadsheet to present to the Overseers of each state to bring their attention to what looked like a potentially widespread problem. The two victims I was working with started reaching out to Overseers to discuss the child sex abuse allegations, but do not think their reports were welcome. They felt the overseers refused to accept the information. When the news of Dean Bruer dropped last week, I learned folks were coming forward on social media regarding their own stories of abuse. On March 24, 2023, I decided to set up a hotline (manned by me) so I could keep gathering information to present to the Overseers. Sadly, the hotline has rung night and day ever since. My entire purpose has been to bring transparency to the potential problem of child sex abuse and sex assault in the Truth, as well as the possible mishandling of such by leadership. If you call the hotline, I will take your statement. I will vet the information and add the perpetrator’s name to the confidential list of alleged perpetrators. Victim names will not be shared with anyone without explicit permission. If your case is within the statute of limitations in the jurisdiction where the abuse occurred, I will assist you in moving forward with criminal charges. I'm admin for a Facebook page for people with a connection to the 2x2 ex/ current members etc. Could I please share your post here on the group?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2023 1:55:40 GMT -5
Part of Western WA(4 fields?), not all...I have no idea what other places are doing... What meetings are they shutting down? Sunday fellowship, study or gospel mtgs? And why? Gospel...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2023 1:56:01 GMT -5
What meetings are they shutting down? Sunday fellowship, study or gospel mtgs? And why? I believe wally said in another post that they were shutting down gospel meetings early. @wally correct me if I'm wrong. You are 100% correct...
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 20, 2023 3:58:02 GMT -5
Do you really believe this will be anything official? Or something put together by a worker or saint that knows html. I’m most excited to see who the site is registered to. It will be sanctioned by the Workers, I don't think it matters who writes the code. Registered ownership can be blocked from viewing it. Sounds arduous, easier to get a proper job nowadays.
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Post by Admin on Apr 26, 2023 17:41:49 GMT -5
Letter by Rob Newman, Overseer of California Re: Removal of John VanDenBerg from the work – April 2023 Dear fellow workers, elders, and friends, Our prayers are that God will help us make the right decisions as we go forward. We realize that his hand is active. This gives us hope. We are looking forward to seeing you at the upcoming conventions. We are saddened that it has become necessary for us to ask John VanDenBerg to step aside from the ministry. Recently we have received several credible allegations of unacceptable sexual behavior, including a complaint of inappropriate touching of a minor, which has been reported to the authorities. We want to make sure that all victims and their families feel free to come forward so we can support them in every way possible — they will not be blamed. and their identities will be kept confidential. We also want to confirm again, that sexual abuse in the ministry and the betrayal of trust it represents, will not be tolerated. These things bring sorrow and concern to our heart, and we think especially of those who are victims. In recent times, when more of these kinds of errors have been brought to light and dealt with, we are left with the feeling that God has brought about a special season of cleansing. and change going forward. In our grief, we are comforted to know that His hand is working a greater work for the good of everyone involved. Once again, we are reminded His name is a holy name, not to be profaned, and this causes us all to deeply search our own heart. 2 Timothy 2:19 'Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." We are thankful for the perfect foundation in Jesus. and the comfort of knowing our Father is working in these events and that He is well able to help, heal. and preserve every soul who comes to Him with a humble, contrite heart. Thanks for your support and input. Elders, please communicate this letter to each family or individual in your meeting soon, in an appropriate way. Your brother, Rob
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