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Post by Admin on Apr 26, 2023 17:44:51 GMT -5
Message from Scott Rauscher April 14
Braydon D. is now with his folks here in Billings. He will take time out of the work.
We are deeply grieved that these necessary steps are being taken. Braydon will need to remain out of the work at this time.
We are encouraging him to get needed counseling and therapeutic help for his inappropriate & unbecoming behavior.
Braydon has terrible remorse that he has caused such great concern & harm. We do not believe that there are any criminal acts involved.
We will support him as best we can to go forward and find his steps ordered in the right direction.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 26, 2023 18:05:32 GMT -5
From: Jeremy & Leonie Tomlinson Date: Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 10:13 PM Subject: BC Sister Workers To: Merlin Affleck, Joshua Tschetter, Reid Goodkey Dear Merlin, Joshua and Reid, Thank you, Reid, for including us and sending the recent emails April 8/10, 2023. Finally, the issues of Child Sexual Abuse (CSA) and Sexual Abuse (SA) are being taken more seriously and appropriately so. It cannot be easy for anyone who reads of Senior Workers’ transgressions that go back decades. Even reading convention notes of these workers creates a turmoil in one’s soul. We are pleased that there is more transparency and there is more help being offered to the victims. The elephant in the room that requires serious attention is the state of our Sister Workers. Why have we have lost so many Sister Workers in a relatively short space of time? Now with Connie home it is time for transparency around this matter, as something is seriously wrong. We would like to know what their reasons were for quitting – but we know at least some are too traumatized by the events that caused them to quit to speak up. The reasons they left should be shared with their permission once they feel strong enough to verbalize them. Preface: A. Several Sister Workers were indeed shut down and in some cases disciplined for speaking out about CSA and SA cases in the past. Hindsight, in light of most recent exposure of sexual predators, would tell us that the Sister workers were justified in their efforts and the retribution they received from Brother Overseers was wrong, completely unfair and dare it be said, a coverup. We are talking about BC specifically. B. We need to remember Sister Workers who, dating back decades, have tried to help CSA and SA victims in the Truth and they were silenced, disallowed to offer compassionate help to victims and punished by the Brother Overseers. 1. Punishment involved in some cases being sent out of province to entirely remove them from the victims they were trying to help. 2. We earnestly request of you not to brush this off. It is not an empty allegation but a fact that can and will be corroborated in time. 3. It is often offered as an excuse that the Overseers that made these decisions in the past were making these decisions to the best of their ability at the time. The problem with this explanation is that Doctrine has been the same all along. At least theoretically those that serve God in Truth, and especially God’s servants, should not even need the laws of a country to guide their conduct with respect to CSA and SA. Please note this as you read the rest of this letter. C. A senior Brother Worker in BC very recently stated that he “has no idea” why the Sisters have been leaving. This is either a person who is unable to empathize or is completely out of touch. D. Another senior Brother Worker recently, when asked the question of why the Sisters are leaving simply and bluntly stated: “the Sisters need to stay true to their calling”. E. Another senior Brother Worker, when given a copy of a media article about Aaron Farrough, simply stated “I don’t read this MeToo stuff”. MeToo?? F. These responses are indicative of a culture of male dominance and efforts to control the Sister Workers and the general narrative. Why and to what end? How has this culture become so prevalent in the Ministry and how can anything good come of it? We have been unable to find any Scripture to support this state of affairs. G. Our example should be how Jesus treated women. Jesus’ lack of discussion on the subject of women speaks loudest of all. It seems convenient to refer to the writings of the Apostles while ignoring the context of the writings, yet only selectively adopting these writings. One such example is that women are to remain silent both in Timothy and Corinthians. H. Why is it that Sister Workers should be afforded so little respect that their actions (likely Spirit guided) towards helping CSA and SA victims would be considered out of line? I. During the last two months a person came forward who was a child victim of a professing alleged sexual predator in the Metro Vancouver area. A senior Brother Worker very recently said about this victim, behind his back, “the motive is a big deal here. I didn’t think the motive was right in the first place, because there is bitterness toward the truth. Period.” Coming forward took immense courage for this person and unfortunately this very false statement got back to the victim and the damage is severe. This person is NOT bitter. Is it time to consider a future in the Ministry where there is more than one overseer in every jurisdiction (province, state, country – however the Ministry is organized) at any given time? Currently there are countries where there is more than one overseer. South Africa has two overseers who regularly include a third “younger brother worker for his input”. This has nothing to do with the size of the Ministry or of the country itself. If the answer to the above question is No, then why not? We know that the Overseers of the various western provinces and states cooperate on matters, but this is not the same as each of these provinces or states having more than one overseer. It might seem like letters such as this are to cause trouble or because of a bad spirit since no one (or almost no one) raises these matters. It is understandable as people fear being separated from friends and family if they speak up or disagree with the status quo. They fear being ostracized or even excommunicated by the Workers. We know this happened in Alberta and the ostracizing was done by the very Workers who were the problem. We feel moved by the Spirit and our strong convictions disallow our silence. We have variously been
called dissenters and rebels. We are neither, we love God’s Truth and are 100% convicted this is God’s Way, but we are desperately concerned about this matter of the Sister Workers and the general state of the Ministry. We would ask you to consider including the Elders and Deacons, both young and old, those that are quiet and those that question, as well as any others that would like to attend – and meet in the various districts in BC to openly and honestly answer questions. This may restore trust in the Ministry for those that are struggling. Such meetings should be more for listening and less for telling. The Way of Jesus is a simple way that is good for all time and for each generation. See item B3 above. People and governments change, laws change, society changes but the Way of Christ and the Doctrine does not. There has been efforts over the generations to keep the Friends in conformance with certain outward standards and certain narratives and this has done nothing to avoid the awful things that have come to light recently and has rather caused a strong appearance of a spirit of coverup in order to maintain an outward image of the Way. Some of our most strict or most conservative Workers, both male and female, are now known as perpetrators of CSA and SA, yet they were some of the staunchest supporters of the outward show and meted out judgement against those who questioned. My dear Mother was sexually assaulted by a brother Worker at age 9 (one of Wilson Reid’s first converts in South Africa) and when she tried to tell her parents she was severely reprimanded for even “speaking like that about a Worker”. Her parents were upholding the outward show. This is how we become known as a sect and this is how we get to where we are today: Unchecked power, suppression of uncomfortable questions, narratives that prey on fear. The Elders who receive this may wonder why they are included. This is for your information. You can choose to read it and contemplate it or discard it. Some people remain silent because they accept the status quo, others because of fear. Fear is understandable, but it should be towards finding oneself on the wrong side of God’s Will, fearing that the Spirit of the Anti-Christ has come into the Ministry and the Way, not fearing to be unliked. We are all only weak humans but we are or should be of the Body and should have the Spirit leading and guiding us. Kind regards, Jeremy and Leonie
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 26, 2023 18:06:21 GMT -5
A. Several Sister Workers were indeed shut down and in some cases disciplined for speaking out about CSA and SA cases in the past. Hindsight, in light of most recent exposure of sexual predators, would tell us that the Sister workers were justified in their efforts and the retribution they received from Brother Overseers was wrong, completely unfair and dare it be said, a coverup. We are talking about BC specifically.
That is a huge statement ! Jus sayin
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Post by snow on Apr 26, 2023 18:26:45 GMT -5
From: Jeremy & Leonie Tomlinson Date: Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 10:13 PM Subject: BC Sister Workers To: Merlin Affleck, Joshua Tschetter, Reid Goodkey Dear Merlin, Joshua and Reid, Thank you, Reid, for including us and sending the recent emails April 8/10, 2023. Finally, the issues of Child Sexual Abuse (CSA) and Sexual Abuse (SA) are being taken more seriously and appropriately so. It cannot be easy for anyone who reads of Senior Workers’ transgressions that go back decades. Even reading convention notes of these workers creates a turmoil in one’s soul. We are pleased that there is more transparency and there is more help being offered to the victims. The elephant in the room that requires serious attention is the state of our Sister Workers. Why have we have lost so many Sister Workers in a relatively short space of time? Now with Connie home it is time for transparency around this matter, as something is seriously wrong. We would like to know what their reasons were for quitting – but we know at least some are too traumatized by the events that caused them to quit to speak up. The reasons they left should be shared with their permission once they feel strong enough to verbalize them. Preface: A. Several Sister Workers were indeed shut down and in some cases disciplined for speaking out about CSA and SA cases in the past. Hindsight, in light of most recent exposure of sexual predators, would tell us that the Sister workers were justified in their efforts and the retribution they received from Brother Overseers was wrong, completely unfair and dare it be said, a coverup. We are talking about BC specifically. B. We need to remember Sister Workers who, dating back decades, have tried to help CSA and SA victims in the Truth and they were silenced, disallowed to offer compassionate help to victims and punished by the Brother Overseers. 1. Punishment involved in some cases being sent out of province to entirely remove them from the victims they were trying to help. 2. We earnestly request of you not to brush this off. It is not an empty allegation but a fact that can and will be corroborated in time. 3. It is often offered as an excuse that the Overseers that made these decisions in the past were making these decisions to the best of their ability at the time. The problem with this explanation is that Doctrine has been the same all along. At least theoretically those that serve God in Truth, and especially God’s servants, should not even need the laws of a country to guide their conduct with respect to CSA and SA. Please note this as you read the rest of this letter. C. A senior Brother Worker in BC very recently stated that he “has no idea” why the Sisters have been leaving. This is either a person who is unable to empathize or is completely out of touch. D. Another senior Brother Worker recently, when asked the question of why the Sisters are leaving simply and bluntly stated: “the Sisters need to stay true to their calling”. E. Another senior Brother Worker, when given a copy of a media article about Aaron Farrough, simply stated “I don’t read this MeToo stuff”. MeToo?? F. These responses are indicative of a culture of male dominance and efforts to control the Sister Workers and the general narrative. Why and to what end? How has this culture become so prevalent in the Ministry and how can anything good come of it? We have been unable to find any Scripture to support this state of affairs. G. Our example should be how Jesus treated women. Jesus’ lack of discussion on the subject of women speaks loudest of all. It seems convenient to refer to the writings of the Apostles while ignoring the context of the writings, yet only selectively adopting these writings. One such example is that women are to remain silent both in Timothy and Corinthians. H. Why is it that Sister Workers should be afforded so little respect that their actions (likely Spirit guided) towards helping CSA and SA victims would be considered out of line? I. During the last two months a person came forward who was a child victim of a professing alleged sexual predator in the Metro Vancouver area. A senior Brother Worker very recently said about this victim, behind his back, “the motive is a big deal here. I didn’t think the motive was right in the first place, because there is bitterness toward the truth. Period.” Coming forward took immense courage for this person and unfortunately this very false statement got back to the victim and the damage is severe. This person is NOT bitter. Is it time to consider a future in the Ministry where there is more than one overseer in every jurisdiction (province, state, country – however the Ministry is organized) at any given time? Currently there are countries where there is more than one overseer. South Africa has two overseers who regularly include a third “younger brother worker for his input”. This has nothing to do with the size of the Ministry or of the country itself. If the answer to the above question is No, then why not? We know that the Overseers of the various western provinces and states cooperate on matters, but this is not the same as each of these provinces or states having more than one overseer. It might seem like letters such as this are to cause trouble or because of a bad spirit since no one (or almost no one) raises these matters. It is understandable as people fear being separated from friends and family if they speak up or disagree with the status quo. They fear being ostracized or even excommunicated by the Workers. We know this happened in Alberta and the ostracizing was done by the very Workers who were the problem. We feel moved by the Spirit and our strong convictions disallow our silence. We have variously been called dissenters and rebels. We are neither, we love God’s Truth and are 100% convicted this is God’s Way, but we are desperately concerned about this matter of the Sister Workers and the general state of the Ministry. We would ask you to consider including the Elders and Deacons, both young and old, those that are quiet and those that question, as well as any others that would like to attend – and meet in the various districts in BC to openly and honestly answer questions. This may restore trust in the Ministry for those that are struggling. Such meetings should be more for listening and less for telling. The Way of Jesus is a simple way that is good for all time and for each generation. See item B3 above. People and governments change, laws change, society changes but the Way of Christ and the Doctrine does not. There has been efforts over the generations to keep the Friends in conformance with certain outward standards and certain narratives and this has done nothing to avoid the awful things that have come to light recently and has rather caused a strong appearance of a spirit of coverup in order to maintain an outward image of the Way. Some of our most strict or most conservative Workers, both male and female, are now known as perpetrators of CSA and SA, yet they were some of the staunchest supporters of the outward show and meted out judgement against those who questioned. My dear Mother was sexually assaulted by a brother Worker at age 9 (one of Wilson Reid’s first converts in South Africa) and when she tried to tell her parents she was severely reprimanded for even “speaking like that about a Worker”. Her parents were upholding the outward show. This is how we become known as a sect and this is how we get to where we are today: Unchecked power, suppression of uncomfortable questions, narratives that prey on fear. The Elders who receive this may wonder why they are included. This is for your information. You can choose to read it and contemplate it or discard it. Some people remain silent because they accept the status quo, others because of fear. Fear is understandable, but it should be towards finding oneself on the wrong side of God’s Will, fearing that the Spirit of the Anti-Christ has come into the Ministry and the Way, not fearing to be unliked. We are all only weak humans but we are or should be of the Body and should have the Spirit leading and guiding us. Kind regards, Jeremy and Leonie Yes, this! Why are the sister workers not taken seriously, believed etc. Male dominant religions breed this kind of thing, but since we can't do anything about that, it will have to be a long hard re-education of them to respect women's rights.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 27, 2023 15:42:48 GMT -5
Dear WA/N ID/AK staff, Today an erroneous report is circulating on Facebook regarding Mark Huddle. As of today, these are the facts concerning Mark's status: 1. Mark is out of the work permanently. His name will not appear on any more worker, convention, etc. lists. 2. Mark will continue with therapy. 3. Mark will not be attending meetings until further notice 4. Mark will not attend conventions, special meetings, funerals, etc. for the present time. Please feel free to share this information with anyone who has concerns/questions. Thanks! Darryl , Wayne & Brian
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Post by snow on Apr 27, 2023 16:50:03 GMT -5
Dear WA/N ID/AK staff, Today an erroneous report is circulating on Facebook regarding Mark Huddle. As of today, these are the facts concerning Mark's status: 1. Mark is out of the work permanently. His name will not appear on any more worker, convention, etc. lists. 2. Mark will continue with therapy. 3. Mark will not be attending meetings until further notice 4. Mark will not attend conventions, special meetings, funerals, etc. for the present time. Please feel free to share this information with anyone who has concerns/questions. Thanks! Darryl , Wayne & Brian More transparency. Thank you Darryl, Wayne & Brian. This is what's needed imo.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 27, 2023 19:25:08 GMT -5
Dear WA/N ID/AK staff, Today an erroneous report is circulating on Facebook regarding Mark Huddle. As of today, these are the facts concerning Mark's status: 1. Mark is out of the work permanently. His name will not appear on any more worker, convention, etc. lists. 2. Mark will continue with therapy. 3. Mark will not be attending meetings until further notice 4. Mark will not attend conventions, special meetings, funerals, etc. for the present time. Please feel free to share this information with anyone who has concerns/questions. Thanks! Darryl , Wayne & Brian More transparency. Thank you Darryl, Wayne & Brian. This is what's needed imo. He could have been moved to the Kazakstan staff.
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Post by matisse on Apr 27, 2023 19:29:29 GMT -5
More transparency. Thank you Darryl, Wayne & Brian. This is what's needed imo. He could have been moved to the Kazakstan staff. Last I knew, Jerry and Emily's daughter was in The Work there, so please, no!
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 27, 2023 19:32:05 GMT -5
He could have been moved to the Kazakstan staff. Last I knew, Jerry and Emily's daughter was in The Work there, so please, no! Oh. I know her. She dodged that bullet!
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2023 16:57:18 GMT -5
Kingsley StoneKingsley Stone from South Africa was removed from the Mountain Ranch convention grounds before his speaking turn, due to allegations of sexual misconduct. He has been at it a very long time and it kept being swept under the carpet. ts, who was a worker in South Africa tried very hard to get something done about sexual immorality in the work in South America and South Africa. Thanks jonathan and fixitHow tragic. How sad. The end of another day, another week. Now another one. What a sad state of affairs. The analogy of a cancer that has spread through the body comes to mind. The cleansing continues. There are more to come, from the large number of rumors based on very credible witnesses including sister workers, who have had a pretty good idea of what's been going on "behind the scenes" for a very long time. Some go back 10, 15, even more long years. Ahead to come is a deep and painful cleansing.
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2023 17:04:34 GMT -5
Update - Mark HuddleDear WA/N ID/AK staff, Today an erroneous report is circulating on Facebook regarding Mark Huddle. As of today, these are the facts concerning Mark's status: 1. Mark is out of the work permanently. His name will not appear on any more worker, convention, etc. lists. 2. Mark will continue with therapy. 3. Mark will not be attending meetings until further notice 4. Mark will not attend conventions, special meetings, funerals, etc. for the present time. Please feel free to share this information with anyone who has concerns/questions. Thanks! Darryl , Wayne & Brian Thanks, 1chinesewhispers
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 28, 2023 17:04:51 GMT -5
Kingsley StoneKingsley Stone from South Africa was removed from the Mountain Ranch convention grounds before his speaking turn, due to allegations of sexual misconduct. He has been at it a very long time and it kept being swept under the carpet. ts, who was a worker in South Africa tried very hard to get something done about sexual immorality in the work in South America and South Africa. Thanks jonathan and fixitHow tragic. How sad. The end of another day, another week. Now another one. What a sad state of affairs. The analogy of a cancer that has spread through the body comes to mind. The cleansing continues. There are more to come, from the large number of rumors based on very credible witnesses including sister workers, who have had a pretty good idea of what's been going on "behind the scenes" for a very long time. Some go back 10, 15, even more long years. Ahead to come is a deep and painful cleansing. The idea that one can report a worker to the law is very new to the friends.
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2023 17:10:38 GMT -5
Update - state of affairsI just wanna add there are MANY PEOPLE working behind the scenes presently on this . But we can’t post just anything that we don’t verify . We are all in the front row seat watching this . Not just in the USA as seen on here . We have a few countries involved which includes Canada 🇨🇦 like the lady workers down east . [Worker x] has so much control over this situation with the friends . People are fearful of leaving because WE WILL GO TO HELL ! We are fearful of this continuing . He doesn’t have clean hands . He told a huge lie about no lesbian workers . They are still workers and still lesbians . Bold face lie ! If you have something to report , please contact the PI . It’s piling up to say the least . This is true. There is a lot going on behind the scenes. The PI told me a couple days ago that she's been busy nonstop. I know she also helps people file police reports by being on the line with them when they talk to police, if they wish. She's very competent and very diligent. There is coming a time when much more will be made known. Just wait till the media coverage eventually takes off. (PI is the Private Investigator, Cynthia Liles)
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2023 17:16:44 GMT -5
Private Investigator, Cynthia LilesMy name is Cynthia Dykstra Liles. I am a private investigator, and I have specialized in child sex abuse and sex assault cases since approximately 2009. I have been involved in hundreds of cases involving institutions of trust, including public and private schools, Boy Scouts and other youth-serving organizations, and churches such as the Catholic, Mormon, and Assemblies of God churches. I grew up in the Truth in Montana and quit going to meetings 30 years ago. I am not anti-Truth and never have been. I have many, many dear friends and family in the church. In 2010, a case came across my desk involving a victim of a former Worker. I discussed with attorneys at the time that there may be no path forward for restitution as there was no formal institution to sue. Late last year, another attorney reached out regarding two victims of a former Worker. Again, we could think of no path forward against an institution, so we began pursuing other avenues against the perpetrator. As we were working on those cases, I began to learn of more and more alleged perpetrators in the Truth. It was alarming, and I decided to start a confidential spreadsheet to present to the Overseers of each state to bring their attention to what looked like a potentially widespread problem. The two victims I was working with started reaching out to Overseers to discuss the child sex abuse allegations, but do not think their reports were welcome. They felt the overseers refused to accept the information. When the news of Dean Bruer dropped last week, I learned folks were coming forward on social media regarding their own stories of abuse. On March 24, 2023, I decided to set up a hotline (manned by me) so I could keep gathering information to present to the Overseers. Sadly, the hotline has rung night and day ever since. My entire purpose has been to bring transparency to the potential problem of child sex abuse and sex assault in the Truth, as well as the possible mishandling of such by leadership. If you call the hotline, I will take your statement. I will vet the information and add the perpetrator’s name to the confidential list of alleged perpetrators. Victim names will not be shared with anyone without explicit permission. If your case is within the statute of limitations in the jurisdiction where the abuse occurred, I will assist you in moving forward with criminal charges.
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 28, 2023 17:32:41 GMT -5
October 3, 1989 Our dear Alaska Friends, Truitt and Bob Ingram We know that you would be somewhat bewildered over the change in Robert Ingram's status, and why such action was necessary. A few years ago, three of the young sisters who now labor in the Orient, mentioned that Robert had taken too many liberties with them, and they were crushed as a result. When they confronted Robert with this, he apologized, and said it would never happen again, because he had prayed like Jacob prayed that night, and kept on praying until God took away all desire from him, so that he would have no trouble from now on. When Sydney Holt and Jack Price were at the Olympia convention this year, a number of the young sister workers came to them. A rumor had been passed around that Robert would be having responsibility over Washington. They were quite distressed over it. One of them said, "If Robert has responsibility over the State, I will either have to give up the work or go to another State, as I couldn't work under him." Several of them went into details to explain to Sydney and Jack just what they had previously been subjected to themselves, and of the embarrassment and heartache that had been caused. We were also disappointed to hear that there is a division in the ministry caused by a few of the Alaska workers bringing into Washington the influence of the doctrine that Truitt has been teaching in Alaska. This type of division has previously been evident in other areas where Truitt has laboured. We had a long visit with Truitt in hope that he would see the damage that had been done. It has been decided that Truitt would go to Alberta with Willis Propp in hope that he could help him see where his doctrine has been in error. The purpose of the meeting in Seattle was to see if something could be done to salvage the situation. We all felt that the only solution would be to bring in a new overseer for Alaska. One that everyone would have confidence in and would be inspired by His care. We hate to see situations like this arise in a kingdom as wonderful as the Kingdom of God, but there were problems in Bible days, and the Lord's people rose above it, and we have every reason to believe they will overcome this, and go on to enjoy a true hearty fellowship with God and with each other. I am sure if any of you wanted more details, either Sydney or Jack would be able to furnish them for you. Our prayers are with you and we wish the best for the future of Alaska. Your brothers in Christ, [SIGNED BY:] Tharold Sylvester Eldon Tenniswood Ernest Nelson Howard Mooney Good to know they took care of all this once and for all 32 years ago.
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Post by Mary on Apr 28, 2023 18:04:10 GMT -5
Private Investigator, Cynthia LilesMy name is Cynthia Dykstra Liles. I am a private investigator, and I have specialized in child sex abuse and sex assault cases since approximately 2009. I have been involved in hundreds of cases involving institutions of trust, including public and private schools, Boy Scouts and other youth-serving organizations, and churches such as the Catholic, Mormon, and Assemblies of God churches. I grew up in the Truth in Montana and quit going to meetings 30 years ago. I am not anti-Truth and never have been. I have many, many dear friends and family in the church. In 2010, a case came across my desk involving a victim of a former Worker. I discussed with attorneys at the time that there may be no path forward for restitution as there was no formal institution to sue. Late last year, another attorney reached out regarding two victims of a former Worker. Again, we could think of no path forward against an institution, so we began pursuing other avenues against the perpetrator. As we were working on those cases, I began to learn of more and more alleged perpetrators in the Truth. It was alarming, and I decided to start a confidential spreadsheet to present to the Overseers of each state to bring their attention to what looked like a potentially widespread problem. The two victims I was working with started reaching out to Overseers to discuss the child sex abuse allegations, but do not think their reports were welcome. They felt the overseers refused to accept the information. When the news of Dean Bruer dropped last week, I learned folks were coming forward on social media regarding their own stories of abuse. On March 24, 2023, I decided to set up a hotline (manned by me) so I could keep gathering information to present to the Overseers. Sadly, the hotline has rung night and day ever since. My entire purpose has been to bring transparency to the potential problem of child sex abuse and sex assault in the Truth, as well as the possible mishandling of such by leadership. If you call the hotline, I will take your statement. I will vet the information and add the perpetrator’s name to the confidential list of alleged perpetrators. Victim names will not be shared with anyone without explicit permission. If your case is within the statute of limitations in the jurisdiction where the abuse occurred, I will assist you in moving forward with criminal charges. I understand that Cynthia (PI), Laurens and other have a new website in place of Voices of Truth called Advocates for the Truth. I am not sure why they have not come on and posted it except that they are very busy. Note also they have posted 3 active case, 2 related to Walter and one related to another person. www.advocatesforthetruth.com/
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2023 18:25:51 GMT -5
I understand that Cynthia (PI), Laurens and other have a new website in place of Voices of Truth called Advocates for the Truth. I am not sure why they have not come on and posted it except that they are very busy. Note also they have posted 3 active case, 2 related to Walter and one related to another person. Yes, well TMB is very "old school" - a dinosaur internet message board, for goodness sake! Who even remembers those, in this age of Snapchat, Instagram, TikToc, etc. Except our grandparents, maybe. Meta (Facebook) used to be the "best thing", but even that's rather tired now. And know something? Many of the 'Friends' who have interest in the moral (let alone legal) standing of their Workers (or at least, should) are of a certain age and very, very conservative so either don't have Facebook or would never go to a subversive Facebook site named something like "Advocates for the Truth". However, we know that they do sneak a glance or two at good old TMB, which doesn't require anything more tech-savvy or identity-busting than a keyboard and google. So in the current circumstances, TMB has its role and place. I don't know what happened between the Cynthia (PI) team and Voices for Truth, except the original link (below) is now broken.
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Post by Mary on Apr 28, 2023 18:27:38 GMT -5
I understand that Cynthia (PI), Laurens and other have a new website in place of Voices of Truth called Advocates for the Truth. I am not sure why they have not come on and posted it except that they are very busy. Note also they have posted 3 active case, 2 related to Walter and one related to another person. Yes, well TMB is very "old school" - a dinosaur internet message board, for goodness sake! Who even remembers those, in this age of Snapchat, Instagram, TikToc, etc. Except our grandparents, maybe. Meta (Facebook) used to be the "best thing", but even that's rather tired now. And know something? Many of the 'Friends' who have interest in the moral (let alone legal) standing of their Workers (or at least, should) are of a certain age and very, very conservative so either don't have Facebook or would never go to a subversive Facebook site named something like "Advocates for the Truth". However, we know that they do sneak a glance or two at good old TMB, which doesn't require anything more tech-savvy or identity-busting than a keyboard and google. So in the current circumstances, TMB has its role and place. I don't know what happened between the Cynthia (PI) team and Voices for Truth, except the original link (below) is now broken. As I said, their new site is advocatesforthetruth www.advocatesforthetruth.com/
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 28, 2023 18:46:35 GMT -5
Kingsley StoneThanks jonathan and fixitHow tragic. How sad. The end of another day, another week. Now another one. What a sad state of affairs. The analogy of a cancer that has spread through the body comes to mind. The cleansing continues. There are more to come, from the large number of rumors based on very credible witnesses including sister workers, who have had a pretty good idea of what's been going on "behind the scenes" for a very long time. Some go back 10, 15, even more long years. Ahead to come is a deep and painful cleansing. The idea that one can report a worker to the law is very new to the friends. This should come as NO SURPRISE ! I was asked directly by someone . We worked on it in TANDEM ! It took us about 4 days . However I AM FREAKING HAPPY TO SEE THE TRUTH COME OUT . He was on convention rounds in California ! We needed to confirm , I passed the info on to PI . I appreciate those who put their ear to the ground and helped another be caught . Perhaps we can make a difference if we are all working for the safety of children , women & men I don’t get any joy out of it !!!!!! But if your name ends up in my email duck and run . Because as a survivor I will keep pushing !
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Post by mdm on Apr 28, 2023 22:06:27 GMT -5
The idea that one can report a worker to the law is very new to the friends. This should come as NO SURPRISE ! I was asked directly by someone . We worked on it in TANDEM ! It took us about 4 days . However I AM FREAKING HAPPY TO SEE THE TRUTH COME OUT . He was on convention rounds in California ! We needed to confirm , I passed the info on to PI . I appreciate those who put their ear to the ground and helped another be caught . Perhaps we can make a difference if we are all working for the safety of children , women & men I don’t get any joy out of it !!!!!! But if your name ends up in my email duck and run . Because as a survivor I will keep pushing ! I am sorry, but I am just now catching on to the fact that these workers are being removed not because overseers all of a sudden understand the importance of doing so, but because of the pressure they are under? I know that Kingsley Stone has been known for sexual misconduct for years (decades? both in South Africa and Latin America if I remember correctly?), so I just assumed that all of a sudden there was a spiritual and moral awakening among overseers. But in fact, they were under pressure to remove him? professing.proboards.com/post/389733
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Post by meg1 on Apr 28, 2023 23:33:23 GMT -5
A spiritual and moral awakening may occur. For now, I am deeply grateful to and profoundly in awe of these three women. The courage and tenacity of the people assisting them has filled me with deep gratitude and respect, as well. www.advocatesforthetruth.com/
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 29, 2023 3:24:18 GMT -5
This should come as NO SURPRISE ! I was asked directly by someone . We worked on it in TANDEM ! It took us about 4 days . However I AM FREAKING HAPPY TO SEE THE TRUTH COME OUT . He was on convention rounds in California ! We needed to confirm , I passed the info on to PI . I appreciate those who put their ear to the ground and helped another be caught . Perhaps we can make a difference if we are all working for the safety of children , women & men I don’t get any joy out of it !!!!!! But if your name ends up in my email duck and run . Because as a survivor I will keep pushing ! I am sorry, but I am just now catching on to the fact that these workers are being removed not because overseers all of a sudden understand the importance of doing so, but because of the pressure they are under? I know that Kingsley Stone has been known for sexual misconduct for years (decades? both in South Africa and Latin America if I remember correctly?), so I just assumed that all of a sudden there was a spiritual and moral awakening among overseers. But in fact, they were under pressure to remove him? professing.proboards.com/post/389733It started with a trickle about 25 years ago when a few gutsy people went to the law instead of the workers. It's mostly in the last ten years that overseers have been learning the hard way that even they can end up in the slammer if they don't report someone else's CSA. The day finally came when the law got into an offending overseer's personal computer, and of course the $hithit the fan.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 29, 2023 3:35:28 GMT -5
A spiritual and moral awakening may occur. For now, I am deeply grateful to and profoundly in awe of these three women. The courage and tenacity of the people assisting them has filled me with deep gratitude and respect, as well. www.advocatesforthetruth.com/It's not an awakening. They've preached against this abuse forever. They just got too cozy about "what the friends won't know anything about." If anyone is wondering about that "quote" -- it's what an older brother worker said when his younger gay companion turned down the older brother worker's advances. The younger companion's attitude was: "I didn't become a worker so I could have sex with brother workers." The younger worker was eventually sent home.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 29, 2023 4:55:35 GMT -5
Should the title of this thread be: OLD AND NEW SUNG TO A DIFFERENT DITTY.
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Post by Umfolozi on Apr 29, 2023 6:00:09 GMT -5
I believe the workers are acting under pressure, no enlightening on their part, correct me if I am wrong but these e mails from them are something new after the Dean Bruer case became public?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 29, 2023 6:35:48 GMT -5
California
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Post by Umfolozi on Apr 29, 2023 6:42:17 GMT -5
Thanks. I am amazed how frequently he has been going all over the world on convention rounds! The South African overseer's must like him alot.
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Post by Umfolozi on Apr 29, 2023 10:32:57 GMT -5
It is sad.... glad for those that are trying their best to get them exposed and kicked out.
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