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Post by snow on Jun 16, 2023 14:42:17 GMT -5
An interesting comment from Jim Chafee's companion above... I do like what someone pointed out that Peter knew right away when Ananias and Sapphirah were dishonest. Please pray that the Lord will give us more of the Spirit that would help us to be more aware when things are right and when they are wrong.Even more interesting...consider if the New Testament church had its own monster in the position of Overseer: www.patheos.com/blogs/keithgiles/2018/04/did-peter-kill-ananias-and-sapphira/Peter was known to have a bad temper. The Gnostic gospels often refer to Peter in a 'rage'. He was in a 'rage' when the other apostles turned to Mary Magdalene to tell them what Jesus said because they said she was the most beloved of Jesus. This really upset Peter and when he got angry they chastised him. I think it's interesting that he was the apostle the RCC decided to make their 'first pope'. |
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Post by SharonArnold on Jun 16, 2023 15:50:21 GMT -5
Peter was known to have a bad temper. The Gnostic gospels often refer to Peter in a 'rage'. He was in a 'rage' when the other apostles turned to Mary Magdalene to tell them what Jesus said because they said she was the most beloved of Jesus. This really upset Peter and when he got angry they chastised him. I think it's interesting that he was the apostle the RCC decided to make their 'first pope'. Well, not only that, Peter is the gatekeeper of heaven, isn't he? From the article: "In the end, I believe we’re left with two choices: God killed these two people or Peter did. Personally, I think that it’s more likely that Peter did it out of impulse than that God did it out of wrath. It’s more consistent with what we know of Peter’s character, frankly, than with what we know of God’s character [as revealed to us by Jesus]." I think there are way more choices than these two. I find this kind of stuff the worst kind of reaching, when you are unwilling to concede that, maybe, just maybe, you don't quite have everything figured out. I filed the Ananias and Sapphira story under the "who the hell knows?" category decades ago, when I was still a very young and very earnest 2X2. It's still mostly there for me, but the possibilities that I am now able to let my mind contemplate are infinitely more. From experience, I can attest that having this kind of category in your mind/life is really useful at ignoring things that don't matter while still trying to move forward with things that may matter. Like, protecting little children, rather than pedophiles, for example. On the other hand, God's character (as revealed to us by Jesus vs prior to Jesus) is a very interesting thing to contemplate. What might that say about us, as People of The Book? As a 2X2, I spent way more time in the Old Testament than I did in the New (other than the Sermon on the Mount - I was never able to get past that one - still can't.) I suspect that doesn't say anything positive about me, but, oh well. |
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Post by snow on Jun 16, 2023 16:16:18 GMT -5
Peter was known to have a bad temper. The Gnostic gospels often refer to Peter in a 'rage'. He was in a 'rage' when the other apostles turned to Mary Magdalene to tell them what Jesus said because they said she was the most beloved of Jesus. This really upset Peter and when he got angry they chastised him. I think it's interesting that he was the apostle the RCC decided to make their 'first pope'. Well, not only that, Peter is the gatekeeper of heaven, isn't he? From the article: "In the end, I believe we’re left with two choices: God killed these two people or Peter did. Personally, I think that it’s more likely that Peter did it out of impulse than that God did it out of wrath. It’s more consistent with what we know of Peter’s character, frankly, than with what we know of God’s character [as revealed to us by Jesus]." I think there are way more choices than these two. I find this kind of stuff the worst kind of reaching, when you are unwilling to concede that, maybe, just maybe, you don't quite have everything figured out. I filed the Ananias and Sapphira story under the "who the hell knows?" category decades ago, when I was still a very young and very earnest 2X2. It's still mostly there for me, but the possibilities that I am now able to let my mind contemplate are infinitely more. From experience, I can attest that having this kind of category in your mind/life is really useful at ignoring things that don't matter while still trying to move forward with things that may matter. Like, protecting little children, rather than pedophiles, for example. On the other hand, God's character (as revealed to us by Jesus vs prior to Jesus) is a very interesting thing to contemplate. What might that say about us, as People of The Book? As a 2X2, I spent way more time in the Old Testament than I did in the New (other than the Sermon on the Mount - I was never able to get past that one - still can't.) I suspect that doesn't say anything positive about me, but, oh well. Right I forgot about that! Peter is the gatekeeper. Puts a whole new spin on things! I do agree that the best conclusion is that 'we just can't know'. |
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 16, 2023 17:35:01 GMT -5
Peter was known to have a bad temper. The Gnostic gospels often refer to Peter in a 'rage'. He was in a 'rage' when the other apostles turned to Mary Magdalene to tell them what Jesus said because they said she was the most beloved of Jesus. This really upset Peter and when he got angry they chastised him. I think it's interesting that he was the apostle the RCC decided to make their 'first pope'. Well, not only that, Peter is the gatekeeper of heaven, isn't he? From the article: "In the end, I believe we’re left with two choices: God killed these two people or Peter did. Personally, I think that it’s more likely that Peter did it out of impulse than that God did it out of wrath. It’s more consistent with what we know of Peter’s character, frankly, than with what we know of God’s character [as revealed to us by Jesus]." I think there are way more choices than these two. I find this kind of stuff the worst kind of reaching, when you are unwilling to concede that, maybe, just maybe, you don't quite have everything figured out. I filed the Ananias and Sapphira story under the "who the hell knows?" category decades ago, when I was still a very young and very earnest 2X2. It's still mostly there for me, but the possibilities that I am now able to let my mind contemplate are infinitely more. From experience, I can attest that having this kind of category in your mind/life is really useful at ignoring things that don't matter while still trying to move forward with things that may matter. Like, protecting little children, rather than pedophiles, for example. On the other hand, God's character (as revealed to us by Jesus vs prior to Jesus) is a very interesting thing to contemplate. What might that say about us, as People of The Book? As a 2X2, I spent way more time in the Old Testament than I did in the New (other than the Sermon on the Mount - I was never able to get past that one - still can't.) I suspect that doesn't say anything positive about me, but, oh well. It's interesting to me that most Christians inherently accept the explanation of a literal killer New Testament Holy Spirit rather than a killer apostle. I think that says a lot. Of course Nathan believed that they were killed by the laser weapon in a flying saucer crewed by Venusian alien angels. Possibly the same on that blasted Sodom and Gomorrah. |
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Post by Dan on Jun 16, 2023 22:48:11 GMT -5
Peter was known to have a bad temper. The Gnostic gospels often refer to Peter in a 'rage'. He was in a 'rage' when the other apostles turned to Mary Magdalene to tell them what Jesus said because they said she was the most beloved of Jesus. This really upset Peter and when he got angry they chastised him. I think it's interesting that he was the apostle the RCC decided to make their 'first pope'. Well, not only that, Peter is the gatekeeper of heaven, isn't he? From the article: "In the end, I believe we’re left with two choices: God killed these two people or Peter did. Personally, I think that it’s more likely that Peter did it out of impulse than that God did it out of wrath. It’s more consistent with what we know of Peter’s character, frankly, than with what we know of God’s character [as revealed to us by Jesus]." I think there are way more choices than these two. I find this kind of stuff the worst kind of reaching, when you are unwilling to concede that, maybe, just maybe, you don't quite have everything figured out. I filed the Ananias and Sapphira story under the "who the hell knows?" category decades ago, when I was still a very young and very earnest 2X2. It's still mostly there for me, but the possibilities that I am now able to let my mind contemplate are infinitely more. From experience, I can attest that having this kind of category in your mind/life is really useful at ignoring things that don't matter while still trying to move forward with things that may matter. Like, protecting little children, rather than pedophiles, for example. On the other hand, God's character (as revealed to us by Jesus vs prior to Jesus) is a very interesting thing to contemplate. What might that say about us, as People of The Book? As a 2X2, I spent way more time in the Old Testament than I did in the New (other than the Sermon on the Mount - I was never able to get past that one - still can't.) I suspect that doesn't say anything positive about me, but, oh well.
Peter did not kill Ananias or Sapphira, your reading into scripture what isn't there, and the Gnostic gospels are uninspired jokes. In the proceeding chapter (Acts 4:31-32), they were all filled with the Holy Spirit. Peter asked Ananias, "Why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit", and he told him, "You have not lied to men but to God".
Peter did not pronounce a death sentence on Ananias, God did. Why? Because Ananias & Sapphira were filled and lead by the Holy Spirit and they denied the Holy Spirit. Lying against the H.S. is blasphemy, its unforgivable, "All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men" (Matthew 12:31).
It wasn't a hot headed Peter who killed them with a sword for trying to deceive him, in fact Peter may have been surprised when Ananias fell down and gave up the ghost? It was God's judgement against Ananias & Sapphira for lying against the H.S.
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Post by Dan on Jun 16, 2023 23:35:57 GMT -5
I should add that I personally believe that only Christian's can commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Jesus said, "But when they shall bring you to deliver you up, do not premeditate beforehand what ye shall speak, neither think ye regarding it, but whatever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye, for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 10:19). Willingly refusing the H.S. to speak through you in that hour is blasphemy and unforgivable. Ananias & Sapphira were moved by the H.S. to give all, their denial was a choice to lie and be deceptive instead, which was flat out rejecting Him (Holy Spirit). I doubt any Christian in their right mind would ever refuse the H.S.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2023 1:49:16 GMT -5
I should add that I personally believe that only Christian's can commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Jesus said, "But when they shall bring you to deliver you up, do not premeditate beforehand what ye shall speak, neither think ye regarding it, but whatever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye, for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 10:19). Willingly refusing the H.S. to speak through you in that hour is blasphemy and unforgivable. Ananias & Sapphira were moved by the H.S. to give all, their denial was a choice to lie and be deceptive instead, which was flat out rejecting Him (Holy Spirit). I doubt any Christian in their right mind would ever refuse the H.S. Correct once again brother!!! |
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 2, 2024 23:32:12 GMT -5
Don’t some overseers appoint elders to hold the money? Ultimately wouldn’t these elders (usually relatively wealthy) be complacent in a case similar to how mafia organizations are taken down by the FBI, using RICO laws to freeze money and potential arrest people like the elders who hide the money for the overseers who protect the predators. ONLY 8 women and its the biggest in the UK. I have no knowledge of any trafficking of people by the 2x2's however it would not surprise me. There are thousands and thousands each state and across the world of 2x2 members. Being there is no actual membership it is hard t say how many members there are. I was told that this will be one of the biggest sex crimes cases in U.S. history. I do not doubt my source. Time will tell how big it will actually be, it is growing daily. There were a few at the beginning a Bruer then I was told 51, now its well over 200. So yes it is big in the scope of people being investigated and the scope of the investigation. With the money aspect there is rumored to be millions in each Overseer account. If that is true then it will be big as well. How big again time will tell. The longer this goes on the more people will understand that all those people who knowingly did nothing in the leadership are criminals as well. Does anyone bother to wonder about where they get the money for the cars, clothes, food and Hotels? The money comes from the church. Does anyone bother to think of where the money goes to move the perpetrators of these vile crimes? The money comes from the church and every time they moved someone they aided and abetted a criminal, knowingly harbored sexual deviants and contributed to their recidivism and future crimes against more innocent victims. How can ANYONE be a part of an organization who thinks they know more than God, shuns and silences victims and rewards perpetrators? Makes no sense to me As it turns out I haven't posted in a while, reason being is M A N Y of you were claiming that the info I had about how this would be the biggest sex crime case involving a church, cult, religious organization etc was false. Many of you also claimed that I did not actually know anything or have relevant info. I was then ridiculed and attacked by some of you as well. I can say my statements aged very well. What I said was accurate and factual as I told you last year. Since then the investigation has only grown massively. I am not posting this to say I told you so. My reason is to say one simple statement : You all should be ashamed of yourself. Many of you unequivocally KNEW the truth yet you CHOSE to defend an organization filled with pedophiles and rapists. For what? To defend an organization that is NOT of God and has more in common with pure evil? What did you get out of it? Does it make you feel good to defend an organizations whose number one priority is pedophilia and the the second priority is money and greed? Say what you want about me but I spoke the truth 100% and everything I stated came to pass. There were many of you who didn't speak the truth, knew the organization had many pedophiles and rapists yet you protected those that did evil and chose to IGNORE the victims and condemn them. There are good people in the organization yet the leadership is filled with evil. How can you sleep at night and how can you be part of the organization? How and more importantly why? |
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 2, 2024 23:43:37 GMT -5
Cheers Vinny. Unfortunately, I think that most of the people on here that owe you an apology, are no longer on the forum fro one reason or another.
As you will recall, I supported what you wrote, and I copped it in the neck from one or two in the church, and even a senior worker.
As I said at the time, more than CSA, will be the reaction of the church to it, that is telling. As insidious as CSA or SA is.
Your statements were certainly prophetic, and the FBI investigation, and now the media interest, will surely have some ducking for cover.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 3, 2024 12:35:57 GMT -5
Cheers Vinny. Unfortunately, I think that most of the people on here that owe you an apology, are no longer on the forum fro one reason or another. As you will recall, I supported what you wrote, and I copped it in the neck from one or two in the church, and even a senior worker. As I said at the time, more than CSA, will be the reaction of the church to it, that is telling. As insidious as CSA or SA is. Your statements were certainly prophetic, and the FBI investigation, and now the media interest, will surely have some ducking for cover. Well hello there. Thank you for the positivity. My statements were less prophetic and more because I do know people in the FBI as I stated. The updates I gave here, I got from him as the initial investigation began. He essentially handed it off to a specialist and now there are many many people involved in every state and multiple countries. Just in this stage of the investigation there is nothing that has ever came close to the size and scope or the sheer volume of pedophilia and rapes that the 2x2s have perpetrated and covered up. Then there's the money aspect and there are teams of agents figuring that out. I refuse to call it CSA and SA because because to me that minimizes it and makes it easier to hear and it shouldn't be easier. CSA is pedophilia, SA is rape and they both have lesser crimes and that's the assault aspect. However many people will never truly recover. Hundreds of known victims have already past away and lived a life of shame and ridicule because they tried to report it. Meanwhile the Workers and Overseers who actually did the crimes were celebrated, revered and praised their entire life. They were viewed as men and women of God and never wanted for a thing. All their needs were taken care of including the need for victims because they were moved around to a fresh area full of obedient victims. If you take a step back you see what the organization is built on. It is about money and control. The founders and the way it's been set up with all the secrets is about them hiding the money all the while always having fresh victims who have a very high chance of not saying a word. The other aspect is them not reporting the rapes and pedophilia because it would draw undo attention to them. There is not a single Overseer who is innocent. You get to that level by being good at hiding it. The FBI and other law enforcement agencies will find the truth. From what I know if I was to say how big this is now I'd get a similar response as I got before. It's pretty bad when they are sending 80 yr olds to prison. That's because they are making an example. It will not be diminished any longer and each day the net gets larger and they are finding out how extensive and we'll funded this pedo ring truly is. They discovered a lot more that I can say. The best thing that could happen is this entire organization is to be stricken from the world. This is far from over. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 3, 2024 16:51:59 GMT -5
I think we are only in the early stages of what could be a large probe, and involving Interpol also.
Keep us posted Vinny.
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Post by fixit on Apr 4, 2024 2:05:18 GMT -5
There are good people in the organization yet the leadership is filled with evil. How can you sleep at night and how can you be part of the organization? How and more importantly why? To support the good people. |
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