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Post by chuck on May 3, 2023 1:58:45 GMT -5
That's all very 2x2ish wally. What else is going on? Nope...its the gospel... Your turn chuckite...Scratch that Hebraic mindset... I was hoping you could tell me why he said "who touched me"? and why the virtue had gone out of him?. And what did all this have to do with Jarius daughter?, and why 12 years? and why the hem of his garment?. |
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Post by fixit on May 3, 2023 1:59:43 GMT -5
Read on and you'll see an answer to this question. The footnote to verse 18 is... New International Version Psalm 19:1 The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork. 2 Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night declares knowledge. 3 There is no speech, nor are there words; their voice is not heard; 4 yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. Nope, don't know which Bible you are reading but mine says 1 King 18:10 and Matt 4:8...1K 18:10 confirms Rom 10:14 of messengers sent. Good luck. Romans 10:18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.” *** *** Psalm 19:4 Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. 3 They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. 4 Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. |
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Post by chuck on May 3, 2023 2:18:34 GMT -5
Nope, don't know which Bible you are reading but mine says 1 King 18:10 and Matt 4:8...1K 18:10 confirms Rom 10:14 of messengers sent. Good luck. Romans 10:18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.” *** *** Psalm 19:4 Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. 3 They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. 4 Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. I think wally is struggling to comprehend a soundless voice...... |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 15:02:59 GMT -5
Romans 10:18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.” *** *** Psalm 19:4 Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. 3 They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. 4 Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. I think wally is struggling to comprehend a soundless voice...... It's called the still small voice or unspoken messages...not an audible...good try though chuckite. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 15:10:27 GMT -5
Nope, don't know which Bible you are reading but mine says 1 King 18:10 and Matt 4:8...1K 18:10 confirms Rom 10:14 of messengers sent. Good luck. Romans 10:18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.” *** *** Psalm 19:4 Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. 3 They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. 4 Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. Zip right over your head... |
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Post by snow on May 3, 2023 15:48:33 GMT -5
Shouldn't we leave this thread to have updates on CSA and DB? Lots of other threads where people can argue over doctrine of Christians/Hebrews.
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Post by chuck on May 3, 2023 15:49:23 GMT -5
I think wally is struggling to comprehend a soundless voice...... It's called the still small voice or unspoken messages...not an audible...good try though chuckite. I should have known.....straight from the 2x2 lingo..... |
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Post by chuck on May 3, 2023 15:58:27 GMT -5
Shouldn't we leave this thread to have updates on CSA and DB? Lots of other threads where people can argue over doctrine of Christians/Hebrews. I think it's very relevant, apart from the physical abuse every part of DB religously is being repeated in this very thread. His religious beliefs are part of the problem which stems from not understanding the people who wrote the stuff that he appropriated to put himself in a position of power and in a position that ignorant laity just lapped up his every word....... Remember until DB dirty deeds come out he was up in heaven with the best of em..... |
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Post by snow on May 3, 2023 17:05:57 GMT -5
Shouldn't we leave this thread to have updates on CSA and DB? Lots of other threads where people can argue over doctrine of Christians/Hebrews. I think it's very relevant, apart from the physical abuse every part of DB religously is being repeated in this very thread. His religious beliefs are part of the problem which stems from not understanding the people who wrote the stuff that he appropriated to put himself in a position of power and in a position that ignorant laity just lapped up his every word....... Remember until DB dirty deeds come out he was up in heaven with the best of em..... Well that's the belief... Maybe he's been demoted to limbo... or not since they have now cancelled limbo. Belief in Gods is a messy business. |
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on May 3, 2023 17:14:49 GMT -5
I say limbo most likely . But I see another worker headed there when HE PASSES ! Jus sayin
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Post by chuck on May 3, 2023 19:17:27 GMT -5
I think it's very relevant, apart from the physical abuse every part of DB religously is being repeated in this very thread. His religious beliefs are part of the problem which stems from not understanding the people who wrote the stuff that he appropriated to put himself in a position of power and in a position that ignorant laity just lapped up his every word....... Remember until DB dirty deeds come out he was up in heaven with the best of em..... Well that's the belief... Maybe he's been demoted to limbo... or not since they have now cancelled limbo. Belief in Gods is a messy business. I agree it's messy, but there is a connection between his beliefs and how he treated other people. It is also not uncommon as we are seeing more and more coming out of the woodwork. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 19:20:07 GMT -5
It's called the still small voice or unspoken messages...not an audible...good try though chuckite. I should have known.....straight from the 2x2 lingo..... Thats from scripture.... A Hebraic scholar would know that. |
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Post by chuck on May 3, 2023 19:28:53 GMT -5
I should have known.....straight from the 2x2 lingo..... Thats from scripture.... A Hebraic scholar would know that. I know where you take your cues from......people like Dean......turns out he was reliable until he wasn't...... |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 19:31:53 GMT -5
Thats from scripture.... A Hebraic scholar would know that. I know where you take your cues from......people like Dean......turns out he was reliable until he wasn't...... Got nothing credible aye? Not surprised been that way since you got here... |
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Post by chuck on May 3, 2023 21:02:30 GMT -5
I know where you take your cues from......people like Dean......turns out he was reliable until he wasn't...... Got nothing credible aye? Not surprised been that way since you got here... I don't believe you know how to test if something is credible, its always circular with you. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 9:27:32 GMT -5
Got nothing credible aye? Not surprised been that way since you got here... I don't believe you know how to test if something is credible, its always circular with you. Said the guy who fell for the Hebraic mindset cult. |
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Post by luke2236 on May 4, 2023 18:17:59 GMT -5
I don't believe you know how to test if something is credible, its always circular with you. Said the guy who fell for the Hebraic mindset cult. Wally or anyone, did Dean oversee Boise, ID or another part of the state? |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 19:01:14 GMT -5
Said the guy who fell for the Hebraic mindset cult. Wally or anyone, did Dean oversee Boise, ID or another part of the state? Southern Idaho I believe is in Oregon's bailiwick. That would include Boise. |
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Post by Vinny T. on May 6, 2023 10:56:19 GMT -5
No, it wouldn't. Not all offenders are in ministry... Of the 3 pedos I know of 2 are laity and 1 ministry. This is why context and balance are necessary when figures are presented. More than 250+ 'perps' have been identified. Assuming most are male and most are in the States then if we 'assume' these are workers, then a high percentage of male workers in the USA are perps (how many male workers in USA?) The term 'perps' needs to be defined as well. At face value this could be understood to be mainly 'CSA' perps, but likely includes all manner of abuses and immoral (sexual) conduct? The "perps" in the 2x2s are worldwide. The hot line only covers the United States. Do you think they are only in the US? There is a very high concentration of rapists and pedophiles in the "work". |
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Post by Vinny T. on May 6, 2023 11:01:46 GMT -5
You currently have Covid? Or are there Covid policies in place restricting your attendance? The latter. I am vaxed, boosted, bi-valent boosted, and had Covid last year. Our elder has it. I guess your shot was as helpful as the churches CSA training...... Sorry. |
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Post by Vinny T. on May 6, 2023 11:12:33 GMT -5
My understanding is 1000 to 1500 workers worldwide. Roughly 30-40% are men... So maybe 300-600 men worldwide... it's not all men doing some of this abuse either... We'd have to see this "list of 250 perps" to know what's really going on... Yet again we have to rely on Wally to bring some interpretation to the proceedings. At max we have between 4-600 male workers worldwide. So far the bulk of the 250+ perps are believed to be in USA, Oz and NZ. Okay let's say 150 of those are living male workers? How many male workers in USA, Oz and NZ? 150 tops? That doesn't leave much wriggle room for those male workers who are not perps? Hopefully my maths is way out? This is why we need a bit of context when figures are quoted. Math is not your strong suit lol. 250 "known" people not the total a very easy 500 in the US alone. But we will go with 250 right now. So now add 200 "known" for each country of approximate size. Canada, Russia, Africa, South America etc and you have far over 1,000 easily including. Low balling won't help the situation. Or lower it to 100 per country or even 50 and you have a very large number. Dean Bruer along with all the 9thers stepping down/out/off/to the side there is a big wave of reality coming for people. |
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Post by mountain on May 6, 2023 11:14:47 GMT -5
This is why context and balance are necessary when figures are presented. More than 250+ 'perps' have been identified. Assuming most are male and most are in the States then if we 'assume' these are workers, then a high percentage of male workers in the USA are perps (how many male workers in USA?) The term 'perps' needs to be defined as well. At face value this could be understood to be mainly 'CSA' perps, but likely includes all manner of abuses and immoral (sexual) conduct? The "perps" in the 2x2s are worldwide. The hot line only covers the United States. Do you think they are only in the US? There is a very high concentration of rapists and pedophiles in the "work". As said in my previous email, the term 'perp' needs to be defined. It is short for 'perpetrator.' Perpetrating what? Preaching the Gospel? In that case all the workers are perps. I am assuming that 'perp' with regards to the 250+ covers all manner of abuses, or at least most, as well as immoral conduct? This is why I'd like to see statistics defining who and what. What would you call a very high concentration of rapists and paedophiles in the work? Assuming you are meaning CSA as paedophilia? 5%, 10%, 20%, 50% ? |
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Post by matisse on May 6, 2023 11:18:30 GMT -5
The latter. I am vaxed, boosted, bi-valent boosted, and had Covid last year. Our elder has it. I guess your shot was as helpful as the churches CSA training...... Sorry. The Vax and boosters don't prevent Covid, they make it far less likely, if you contract it, that you will need to go to the hospital or die from it. I don't get your analogy.....Sorry. |
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Post by mountain on May 6, 2023 11:21:02 GMT -5
Yet again we have to rely on Wally to bring some interpretation to the proceedings. At max we have between 4-600 male workers worldwide. So far the bulk of the 250+ perps are believed to be in USA, Oz and NZ. Okay let's say 150 of those are living male workers? How many male workers in USA, Oz and NZ? 150 tops? That doesn't leave much wriggle room for those male workers who are not perps? Hopefully my maths is way out? This is why we need a bit of context when figures are quoted. 250 "known" people not the total a very easy 500 in the US alone. But we will go with 250 right now. So now add 200 "known" for each country of approximate size. Canada, Russia, Africa, South America etc and you have far over 1,000 easily including. Low balling won't help the situation. Or lower it to 100 per country or even 50 and you have a very large number. Dean Bruer along with all the 9thers stepping down/out/off/to the side there is a big wave of reality coming for people. And statistics certainly isn't your strong point, Vinz. How about giving some breakdown of the 250+ ? How many are workers, elders, members of the laity? How many are male workers? You will recall that I clearly stated that the whole of the Work worldwide was under suspicion ever sine the Dean Bruer scandal broke? If you can help putting 'real' figures into the melting pot that would be real great. Supposition, conjecture, imagination and emotion have no place when it comes down to hard facts which is what we need. |
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Post by verna on May 6, 2023 12:07:50 GMT -5
This is why context and balance are necessary when figures are presented. More than 250+ 'perps' have been identified. Assuming most are male and most are in the States then if we 'assume' these are workers, then a high percentage of male workers in the USA are perps (how many male workers in USA?) The term 'perps' needs to be defined as well. At face value this could be understood to be mainly 'CSA' perps, but likely includes all manner of abuses and immoral (sexual) conduct? The "perps" in the 2x2s are worldwide. The hot line only covers the United States. Do you think they are only in the US? There is a very high concentration of rapists and pedophiles in the "work". Why do you say the hot only covers the US. I think that’s incorrect but too lazy to go look for verification. Maybe someone else can confirm or deny. |
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Post by Vinny T. on May 6, 2023 12:13:40 GMT -5
Math is not your strong suit lol. 250 "known" people not the total a very easy 500 in the US alone. But we will go with 250 right now. So now add 200 "known" for each country of approximate size. Canada, Russia, Africa, South America etc and you have far over 1,000 easily including. Low balling won't help the situation. Or lower it to 100 per country or even 50 and you have a very large number. Dean Bruer along with all the 9thers stepping down/out/off/to the side there is a big wave of reality coming for people. And statistics certainly isn't your strong point, Vinz. How about giving some breakdown of the 250+ ? How many are workers, elders, members of the laity? How many are male workers? You will recall that I clearly stated that the whole of the Work worldwide was under suspicion ever sine the Dean Bruer scandal broke? If you can help putting 'real' figures into the melting pot that would be real great. Supposition, conjecture, imagination and emotion have no place when it comes down to hard facts which is what we need. All perps I'm referring to have to do with rape and pedophilia ONLY. Please don't start with me. If you want the info calculate it yourself. ANY info I give will be scrutinized, reputed and so on anyway. If you want hard facts then do the stats yourself, you are obviously superior in statistics. You really do have a high opinion of yourself don't you? Do you know what extrapolation is? That's what I was doing there dude. I am very educated in the wordly sense as well as in the scholarly sense I don't need slights and jabs every time I get on here from you people. If you think I'm wrong that's your opinion. I've got messages from others who appreciate a straight forward no bullshnit approach. |
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Post by jane on May 6, 2023 13:18:59 GMT -5
My understanding is the 250+:
-is worldwide (the hotline has a US number and an international number)
-workers, elders, friends
-some of the 250+ are dead
-they are accused of CSA/Sexual abuse.
Also keep in mind-there will be many who are still to uncomfortable and scared and not ready to report. Especially men.
If we were to add in all those who covered things up or were complicit-we could easily double or triple that number.
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Post by butterfingers on May 6, 2023 13:35:09 GMT -5
And statistics certainly isn't your strong point, Vinz. How about giving some breakdown of the 250+ ? How many are workers, elders, members of the laity? How many are male workers? You will recall that I clearly stated that the whole of the Work worldwide was under suspicion ever sine the Dean Bruer scandal broke? If you can help putting 'real' figures into the melting pot that would be real great. Supposition, conjecture, imagination and emotion have no place when it comes down to hard facts which is what we need. All perps I'm referring to have to do with rape and pedophilia ONLY. Please don't start with me. If you want the info calculate it yourself. ANY info I give will be scrutinized, reputed and so on anyway. If you want hard facts then do the stats yourself, you are obviously superior in statistics. You really do have a high opinion of yourself don't you? Do you know what extrapolation is? That's what I was doing there dude. I am very educated in the wordly sense as well as in the scholarly sense I don't need slights and jabs every time I get on here from you people. If you think I'm wrong that's your opinion. I've got messages from others who appreciate a straight forward no bullshnit approach. Oh old Vin Vin, I appreciate you so much. I guess I am one of "you people" and you are the only one looking in at the rest of us mouth breathers. You are more intelligent than the rest of us, so thanks for taking the time to enlighten us. I mean, he really is super intelligent, just ask him. The rest of us must not have any education..... |
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