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Post by mountain on May 6, 2023 14:25:16 GMT -5
And statistics certainly isn't your strong point, Vinz. How about giving some breakdown of the 250+ ? How many are workers, elders, members of the laity? How many are male workers? You will recall that I clearly stated that the whole of the Work worldwide was under suspicion ever sine the Dean Bruer scandal broke? If you can help putting 'real' figures into the melting pot that would be real great. Supposition, conjecture, imagination and emotion have no place when it comes down to hard facts which is what we need. All perps I'm referring to have to do with rape and pedophilia ONLY. So you can attest that the 250+ figure referred to, relates solely to rape and paedophilia cases? This is the kind of stat that I am looking for.Please don't start with me. If you want the info calculate it yourself. If you present extraordinary claims please expect to be asked questions on such, even if only for clarification and verification. I cannot make calculations on information that I do not have. You are the one who is presenting it and as a result you are quite rightly being questioned on it. If you don't want people to start on you by asking valid questions, then don't post in the first place. Remember there is a sect that doesn't like to be asked questions as well. People who do ask them questions are labelled as having a bad spirit, or a rebel. ANY info I give will be scrutinized, reputed and so on anyway. I'm glad you recognise this. It is an absolute fact. If your info stands up to scrutiny you have much to gain by way of credibility and establishing yourself as a trusted source of truthful information.
If you want hard facts then do the stats yourself, you are obviously superior in statistics. As stated previously, I do not possess the hard facts. I am seriously lacking in this quarter. That is one reason I ask questions.
You really do have a high opinion of yourself don't you? Well I am 5' 9" tall, but I wouldn't go higher than that!Do you know what extrapolation is? That's what I was doing there dude. Yes and I am entitled to seek such information to do my own extrapolation and also to subject the extrapolation of others to satisfactory testing in order to establish credibility. You should not take such matters personally. You should expect it. With this kind of data and the claims being made, people have a right to be very careful before accepting the information of unknown persons on a whim.
I am very educated in the wordly sense as well as in the scholarly sense I don't need slights and jabs every time I get on here from you people. If you think I'm wrong that's your opinion. I've got messages from others who appreciate a straight forward no bullshnit approach. Perhaps try and leave emotion or excitement out of things. I for one , am not making any personal attack upon you or your credibility. As you will appreciate, the claims you are making are extremely serious in nature and are likely, if true, to have huge consequences in the course of time. Until more is known about these matters, it is only natural to safeguard oneself by making efforts to ascertain the veracity of the claims made. It's as simple as that. Common sense and logical.
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Post by snow on May 6, 2023 15:02:38 GMT -5
I guess your shot was as helpful as the churches CSA training...... Sorry. The Vax and boosters don't prevent Covid, they make it far less likely, if you contract it, that you will need to go to the hospital or die from it. I don't get your analogy.....Sorry. It's the mindset that if you get covid after you got the shot that the shot didn't work. Wrong, but if you think that's what being vaxed was about I guess that's how you would draw that conclusion. |
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Post by fixit on May 6, 2023 16:12:39 GMT -5
The Vax and boosters don't prevent Covid, they make it far less likely, if you contract it, that you will need to go to the hospital or die from it. I don't get your analogy.....Sorry. It's the mindset that if you get covid after you got the shot that the shot didn't work. Wrong, but if you think that's what being vaxed was about I guess that's how you would draw that conclusion. An obvious question to ask would be why were Covid death rates higher among republicans than democrats? Covid death rates are higher among Republicans than Democrats, mounting evidence shows |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 16:20:21 GMT -5
Yet again we have to rely on Wally to bring some interpretation to the proceedings. At max we have between 4-600 male workers worldwide. So far the bulk of the 250+ perps are believed to be in USA, Oz and NZ. Okay let's say 150 of those are living male workers? How many male workers in USA, Oz and NZ? 150 tops? That doesn't leave much wriggle room for those male workers who are not perps? Hopefully my maths is way out? This is why we need a bit of context when figures are quoted. Math is not your strong suit lol. 250 "known" people not the total a very easy 500 in the US alone. But we will go with 250 right now. So now add 200 "known" for each country of approximate size. Canada, Russia, Africa, South America etc and you have far over 1,000 easily including. Low balling won't help the situation. Or lower it to 100 per country or even 50 and you have a very large number. Dean Bruer along with all the 9thers stepping down/out/off/to the side there is a big wave of reality coming for people. There are only about 1000 to 1500 workers. Not all are male (30% roughly) not all are Americans. People are really exaggerating the numbers. I understand why they do exaggerate and it PMO. |
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Post by fixit on May 6, 2023 16:28:18 GMT -5
Math is not your strong suit lol. 250 "known" people not the total a very easy 500 in the US alone. But we will go with 250 right now. So now add 200 "known" for each country of approximate size. Canada, Russia, Africa, South America etc and you have far over 1,000 easily including. Low balling won't help the situation. Or lower it to 100 per country or even 50 and you have a very large number. Dean Bruer along with all the 9thers stepping down/out/off/to the side there is a big wave of reality coming for people. There are only about 1000 to 1500 workers. Not all are male (30% roughly) not all are Americans. People are really exaggerating the numbers. I understand why they do exaggerate and it PMO. Why do you think the 250+ perps are workers? |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 16:33:13 GMT -5
There are only about 1000 to 1500 workers. Not all are male (30% roughly) not all are Americans. People are really exaggerating the numbers. I understand why they do exaggerate and it PMO. Why do you think the 250+ perps are workers? Dean was mentioned. |
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Post by butterfingers on May 6, 2023 16:43:20 GMT -5
Because of selective data and the news source. Check out Sweden if you think your point holds any water. |
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Post by peggysullivan on May 6, 2023 16:49:17 GMT -5
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Post by mountain on May 6, 2023 16:56:51 GMT -5
There are only about 1000 to 1500 workers. Not all are male (30% roughly) not all are Americans. People are really exaggerating the numbers. I understand why they do exaggerate and it PMO. Why do you think the 250+ perps are workers? This is something that I have been trying to get clarified. It is only natural that people without really thinking about it, assume the 250+ perps quoted are workers. This is because the main topic of conversation since the Dean Bruer case exploded onto the scene, is the amount of CSA perpetrators that are in the 2x2 ministry. When we get figures like 250+ perps thrown around, many assume this refers to workers. This figure, if true, requires to be put into context at an early opportunity, as it is extremely unlikely this figure relates to workers only, bearing in mind the total number of workers worldwide. The categories include the following: 1) How many are/were male workers at the time of the offences? 2) How many are/were female workers at the time of the offences? 3) How many are/were Elders in the 2x2 sect? 4) How many are/were members of the 2x2 laity? 5) How many were family matters? 6) Other? Further categories may include: 1) How many occurred in the home and sub-categorized by the above. 2) How many occurred at or near convention grounds etc Vinz posted the following recently. I think it is fairly clear he had the workers in mind? Math is not your strong suit lol. 250 "known" people not the total a very easy 500 in the US alone. But we will go with 250 right now. So now add 200 "known" for each country of approximate size. Canada, Russia, Africa, South America etc and you have far over 1,000 easily including. Low balling won't help the situation. Or lower it to 100 per country or even 50 and you have a very large number. Dean Bruer along with all the 9thers stepping down/out/off/to the side there is a big wave of reality coming for people. |
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Post by mountain on May 6, 2023 16:57:45 GMT -5
Did Dean Bruer die of Covid? I think that was 'covert,' not covid? |
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Post by peggysullivan on May 6, 2023 17:32:40 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 6, 2023 17:33:12 GMT -5
Because of selective data and the news source. Check out Sweden if you think your point holds any water. Here's a resonably accurate data chart of world deaths. USA at 3472 is not top of the list of deaths per 1 million people but cerainly getting up there. Sweden at 2362 had a controversial approach to COVID and it resulted in quite a high death rate per 1 million people. NZ at 848 , where I live had several lockdowns and mask wearing mandates and we had a reasonably low death rate per 1 million people. The USA death rate does not take into account the political affiliation of the dead. Other charts swhich are available do and they show that Rpublican states had a higher death rate than Democratic. I can only assume that was because those Republican states are more religious and god was short of angels so killed off a heap of Republicans. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries and www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/ |
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Post by peggysullivan on May 6, 2023 17:37:50 GMT -5
Because of selective data and the news source. Check out Sweden if you think your point holds any water. Here's a resonably accurate data chart of world deaths. USA at 3472 is not top of the list of deaths per 1 million people but cerainly getting up there. Sweden at 2362 had a controversial approach to COVID and it resulted in quite a high death rate per 1 million people. NZ at 848 , where I live had several lockdowns and mask wearing mandates and we had a reasonably low death rate per 1 million people. The USA death rate does not take into account the political affiliation of the dead. Other charts swhich are available do and they show that Rpublican states had a higher death rate than Democratic. I can only assume that was because those Republican states are more religious and god was short of angels so killed off a heap of Republicans. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries and www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/How about starting a different thread to discuss Covid rates. This topic is supposed to be about Dean Bruer and CSS/SA. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 6, 2023 17:41:55 GMT -5
Here's a resonably accurate data chart of world deaths. USA at 3472 is not top of the list of deaths per 1 million people but cerainly getting up there. Sweden at 2362 had a controversial approach to COVID and it resulted in quite a high death rate per 1 million people. NZ at 848 , where I live had several lockdowns and mask wearing mandates and we had a reasonably low death rate per 1 million people. The USA death rate does not take into account the political affiliation of the dead. Other charts swhich are available do and they show that Rpublican states had a higher death rate than Democratic. I can only assume that was because those Republican states are more religious and god was short of angels so killed off a heap of Republicans. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries and www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/How about starting a different thread to discuss Covid rates. This topic is supposed to be about Dean Bruer and CSS/SA. Good point. |
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Post by christiansburg on May 6, 2023 17:42:09 GMT -5
All perps I'm referring to have to do with rape and pedophilia ONLY. So you can attest that the 250+ figure referred to, relates solely to rape and paedophilia cases? This is the kind of stat that I am looking for.Please don't start with me. If you want the info calculate it yourself. If you present extraordinary claims please expect to be asked questions on such, even if only for clarification and verification. I cannot make calculations on information that I do not have. You are the one who is presenting it and as a result you are quite rightly being questioned on it. If you don't want people to start on you by asking valid questions, then don't post in the first place. Remember there is a sect that doesn't like to be asked questions as well. People who do ask them questions are labelled as having a bad spirit, or a rebel. ANY info I give will be scrutinized, reputed and so on anyway. I'm glad you recognise this. It is an absolute fact. If your info stands up to scrutiny you have much to gain by way of credibility and establishing yourself as a trusted source of truthful information.
If you want hard facts then do the stats yourself, you are obviously superior in statistics. As stated previously, I do not possess the hard facts. I am seriously lacking in this quarter. That is one reason I ask questions.
You really do have a high opinion of yourself don't you? Well I am 5' 9" tall, but I wouldn't go higher than that!I agree that if you say 250+ you need to be prepared to give more than just a number. If you don't want to put out names that is understandable but if your stats are true tell us where these events were and when they happened. I know there is a problem for sure among us and what we have seen is believable but don't cause us to label you as a rumor starter. Defend yourself. Do you know what extrapolation is? That's what I was doing there dude. Yes and I am entitled to seek such information to do my own extrapolation and also to subject the extrapolation of others to satisfactory testing in order to establish credibility. You should not take such matters personally. You should expect it. With this kind of data and the claims being made, people have a right to be very careful before accepting the information of unknown persons on a whim.
I am very educated in the wordly sense as well as in the scholarly sense I don't need slights and jabs every time I get on here from you people. If you think I'm wrong that's your opinion. I've got messages from others who appreciate a straight forward no bullshnit approach. Perhaps try and leave emotion or excitement out of things. I for one , am not making any personal attack upon you or your credibility. As you will appreciate, the claims you are making are extremely serious in nature and are likely, if true, to have huge consequences in the course of time. Until more is known about these matters, it is only natural to safeguard oneself by making efforts to ascertain the veracity of the claims made. It's as simple as that. Common sense and logical.
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Post by SharonArnold on May 6, 2023 17:52:31 GMT -5
Did Dean Bruer die of Covid? No, but this thread might! LOL |
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Post by peggysullivan on May 6, 2023 19:07:29 GMT -5
Did Dean Bruer die of Covid? No, but this thread might! LOL Lolol!! Which variant? |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 20:38:05 GMT -5
I guess your shot was as helpful as the churches CSA training...... Sorry. The Vax and boosters don't prevent Covid, they make it far less likely, if you contract it, that you will need to go to the hospital or die from it. I don't get your analogy.....Sorry. I sorta get it. That would be what CSA training does. It won't prevent pedophilia or an attack from necessarily happening but it will alert us to signs of something coming our way if we are on our toes. Like for the Police, they generally arrive after everything is over or at best after its started. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 6, 2023 21:16:07 GMT -5
Here's a resonably accurate data chart of world deaths. USA at 3472 is not top of the list of deaths per 1 million people but cerainly getting up there. Sweden at 2362 had a controversial approach to COVID and it resulted in quite a high death rate per 1 million people. NZ at 848 , where I live had several lockdowns and mask wearing mandates and we had a reasonably low death rate per 1 million people. The USA death rate does not take into account the political affiliation of the dead. Other charts swhich are available do and they show that Rpublican states had a higher death rate than Democratic. I can only assume that was because those Republican states are more religious and god was short of angels so killed off a heap of Republicans. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries and\ www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/Honestly, NZ is a bunch of Puss__es. Lock them down, no personal freedom. That tells me alot about yout Curlysmarmeepussy. We do have the freedom to laugh at selfish tossers like you. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 6, 2023 21:40:01 GMT -5
We do have the freedom to laugh at selfish tossers like you. That's barely freedom....you tosser Go butterfingers. You are on a roll. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 22:04:08 GMT -5
Here's a resonably accurate data chart of world deaths. USA at 3472 is not top of the list of deaths per 1 million people but cerainly getting up there. Sweden at 2362 had a controversial approach to COVID and it resulted in quite a high death rate per 1 million people. NZ at 848 , where I live had several lockdowns and mask wearing mandates and we had a reasonably low death rate per 1 million people. The USA death rate does not take into account the political affiliation of the dead. Other charts swhich are available do and they show that Rpublican states had a higher death rate than Democratic. I can only assume that was because those Republican states are more religious and god was short of angels so killed off a heap of Republicans. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries and\ www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/Honestly, NZ is a bunch of Puss__es. Lock them down, no personal freedom. That tells me alot about yout Curlysmarmeepussy. Well said... |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 6, 2023 22:12:27 GMT -5
Honestly, NZ is a bunch of Puss__es. Lock them down, no personal freedom. That tells me alot about yout Curlysmarmeepussy. Well said... So I take it you are both quite comfotable and maybe even proud that the USA had a deathrate from COVID of 3472 people per one million compared to NZ's 848 per one million. Your "freedom" sure cost a lot of people their freedom. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 22:26:27 GMT -5
So I take it you are both quite comfotable and maybe even proud that the USA had a deathrate from COVID of 3472 people per one million compared to NZ's 848 per one million. Your "freedom" sure cost a lot of people their freedom. *comfortable No, ashamed might be a word though for what we think of you... |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 6, 2023 22:30:50 GMT -5
So I take it you are both quite comfotable and maybe even proud that the USA had a deathrate from COVID of 3472 people per one million compared to NZ's 848 per one million. Your "freedom" sure cost a lot of people their freedom. *comfortable No, ashamed might be a word though for what we think of you... Are you ashamed of the perverted cult you belong to? |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2023 22:43:11 GMT -5
*comfortable No, ashamed might be a word though for what we think of you... Are you ashamed of the perverted cult you belong to? Strawman.... |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 7, 2023 1:10:27 GMT -5
Are you ashamed of the perverted cult you belong to? Perverted? Not me..... How about you? Your name says it alll... If you say so. After all, if you believe in virgin births and talking snakes then anything is possible. |
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Post by Vinny T. on May 7, 2023 11:44:24 GMT -5
Wow. This is good. I don't even know why you asked these questions. Literally makes no sense at all. Let me breakdown a couple things. One is glaringly obvious and the other should be obvious but I will explain. The hot line is "specifically" for reporting sexual assault and child sexual assault. So it is not a hard stretch to say that the 250+ being investigated are for sexual assault and child sexual assault. How is that hard to understand? The hot line is not for reporting incorrect building code violations. The other thing that may not be obvious is this: NO one can give you or anyone specifics in the breakdown of the statistics or demographics UNTIL all the perpetrators being investigated are charged. Then it is public knowledge and we can get a breakdown. However until we know WHO they are then the information you are requesting is impossible. If anyone says anything it is a guess at best. How can one get the statistics and demographical breakdown until we know who's being charged after being investigated? How, consult a crystal ball? Perhaps go to a palm reader tarot card reader or maybe a shaman? Saying some are "dead" is like saying some are have read hair, some are bald and some are bad at checkers. How do YOU know some are dead? You can assume but you dont know you are only guessing. Dean Bruers aspect of investigation stems from his laptop mainly. The Dean Bruer laptop is a major piece of evidence connecting alot of people. Since it came out things have gained tremendous traction. |
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Post by butterfingers on May 7, 2023 12:04:58 GMT -5
Perverted? Not me..... How about you? Your name says it alll... If you say so. After all, if you believe in virgin births and talking snakes then anything is possible. You are the definition of a troll. What purpose do you have to be on here besides stirring up POO? |
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