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Post by luke2236 on Apr 26, 2023 17:31:12 GMT -5
Be "easy to be intreated", brother, this is the "wisdom which is from above" James 3:17 👍 I am easily intreated and inspired by truth and sincerity. There are church and non church members who post with such on TMB! Then there are church and non church members who in their posts reveal otherwise. Not easy to be intreated by them. I understand this to be discernment/wisdom from above. Thanks for sharing your experience with the gifts or the spirit. Aren’t the gifts of the Spirt wonderful? Why just the other day we heard about a man who prayed for his shoulder to be healed during midweek prayer and the next day he woke up and canceled his doctors appointment and it hasn’t hurt since. Another time we heard from one of those called to be an apostle (but he did preach in a building and he did receive a salary and he was married to a wife that cut her hair so this could be problematic to your discernment) he was talking in tongues and he either had an interpreter was interpreting I can’t remember. (Or maybe he didn’t use an interpreter this one time) At the end of the meeting a Hebrew man in attendance asked him where he learned perfect Hebrew?! It was so confirming to see the fruits of the spirit in his life too. It’s so hard to believe that just a few years earlier I would have looked at this man like he was a false prophet! Aren’t these gifts or the spirit amazing?! It’s so wonderful to have faith that God works and uses these gifts of Spirit instead of judging that these people aren’t serving the right way. It was just so neat to see this man discussing the benefits of the spirit because he wasn’t boasting or proud, he was just pointing people to Christ and the benefits of having the baptism of the spirit/fire and how obviously if you have the spirit you have access to all the gifts or the spirit even if some are more obvious than others.
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Dean Bruer
Apr 26, 2023 17:33:37 GMT -5
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 26, 2023 17:33:37 GMT -5
YET ANOTHER ONE Site logo image Wings for Truth Braydon Dutton removed from work wingsfortruth2 Apr 26 Message from Scott Rauscher April 14 Braydon D. is now with his folks here in Billings. He will take time out of the work. We are deeply grieved that these necessary steps are being taken. Braydon will need to remain out of the work at this time. We are encouraging him to get needed counseling and therapeutic help for his inappropriate & unbecoming behavior. Braydon has terrible remorse that he has caused such great concern & harm. We do not believe that there are any criminal acts involved. We will support him as best we can to go forward and find his steps ordered in the right direction This is unfortunate, I’m glad he is out of the work so he can work on what his issue is. There really needs to be a system in place to help these people with problems before they become unacceptable. I suppose a shame based system makes it more difficult to be transparent.
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Post by verna on Apr 26, 2023 17:42:35 GMT -5
Unfortunately I have it on fairly good authority that it's a scam site, why someone would want to scam ex workers is beyond me. I'd be happy to be proved wrong however. Now that's sad. It did seem too good to be true, but I had really wanted it to be true. There is a genuine need for something exactly like that. Pretty sure it’s for real. I have no idea where the suspicion is coming from.
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Dean Bruer
Apr 26, 2023 17:59:18 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 26, 2023 17:59:18 GMT -5
YET ANOTHER ONE Site logo image Wings for Truth Braydon Dutton removed from work wingsfortruth2 Apr 26 Message from Scott Rauscher April 14 Braydon D. is now with his folks here in Billings. He will take time out of the work. We are deeply grieved that these necessary steps are being taken. Braydon will need to remain out of the work at this time. We are encouraging him to get needed counseling and therapeutic help for his inappropriate & unbecoming behavior. Braydon has terrible remorse that he has caused such great concern & harm. We do not believe that there are any criminal acts involved. We will support him as best we can to go forward and find his steps ordered in the right direction This is unfortunate, I’m glad he is out of the work so he can work on what his issue is. There really needs to be a system in place to help these people with problems before they become unacceptable. I suppose a shame based system makes it more difficult to be transparent. WE NEED TO KNOW THE ISSUE ! This is turning out to be horrific and horrendous day after day . Jus sayin
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Dean Bruer
Apr 26, 2023 18:07:52 GMT -5
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 26, 2023 18:07:52 GMT -5
This is unfortunate, I’m glad he is out of the work so he can work on what his issue is. There really needs to be a system in place to help these people with problems before they become unacceptable. I suppose a shame based system makes it more difficult to be transparent. WE NEED TO KNOW THE ISSUE ! This is turning out to be horrific and horrendous day after day . Jus sayin Very good point! I should have stated the same.
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Dean Bruer
Apr 26, 2023 18:16:56 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 26, 2023 18:16:56 GMT -5
They need to be transparent ! Or so they say !
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Post by fixit on Apr 26, 2023 18:22:01 GMT -5
This is unfortunate, I’m glad he is out of the work so he can work on what his issue is. There really needs to be a system in place to help these people with problems before they become unacceptable. I suppose a shame based system makes it more difficult to be transparent. WE NEED TO KNOW THE ISSUE ! This is turning out to be horrific and horrendous day after day . Jus sayin I feel for you 1chinesewhispers, having to relive all this. It's good though that victims are coming forward. There's hope that the culture of denial, victim intimidation, victim blaming, deflection, cover-up, answering questions with non-answers......is all coming to an end.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 26, 2023 18:38:06 GMT -5
WE NEED TO KNOW THE ISSUE ! This is turning out to be horrific and horrendous day after day . Jus sayin I feel for you 1chinesewhispers, having to relive all this. It's good though that victims are coming forward. There's hope that the culture of denial, victim intimidation, victim blaming, deflection, cover-up, answering questions with non-answers......is all coming to an end. I agree fixit and thank you . Presently I am ready to smash my iPad and iPhone . This is wearing me out . Yes it is triggering me ! But I am glad people are coming forward . However as I stated from the beginning if I can save one person then I have helped . That is my bottom line . Full-stop ! Anyhow air buds going in for some Van Halen . Not checking anymore email till Friday !
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 26, 2023 19:08:28 GMT -5
Fixit It remains: Shame on pragmatic for the misleading incorrect statement he made. Mock me, disbelieve me, try to prove me wrong if you wish! 🤷♂️ I don't mind! Respond to this and have 'the last word' if you wish? My only communication about this matter from now on will be as I have stated; by pm. I am quite open and happy to share, if it is appropriate to do so with the enquirer, the FACTS!
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Post by verna on Apr 26, 2023 19:27:27 GMT -5
I see no reason to believe that this is a scam. I don’t understand why people are saying it is. Anyone who says so, please fill me in. Reputable people are heading it up. I sincerely hope it isint. I pointed someone at it several days ago that is well in the loop & got told that immediately. Can anyone add to this either way? Ok I think I have sorted it out. There was a old scam website called “worker transition”. Totally unrelated to a new legitimate site (fb group). Stay tuned!
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Post by openingact34 on Apr 26, 2023 19:40:27 GMT -5
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Post by verna on Apr 26, 2023 19:47:54 GMT -5
I have resolved my confusion. There was a old scam website called “worker transition” which is referred to here. Totally unrelated to a new legitimate site (fb group) called “a way out” stay tuned for more information.
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Dean Bruer
Apr 26, 2023 19:56:47 GMT -5
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 26, 2023 19:56:47 GMT -5
Fixit It remains: Shame on pragmatic for the misleading incorrect statement he made. Mock me, disbelieve me, try to prove me wrong if you wish! 🤷♂️ I don't mind! Respond to this and have 'the last word' if you wish? My only communication about this matter from now on will be as I have stated; by pm. I am quite open and happy to share, if it is appropriate to do so with the enquirer, the FACTS! I am going to re-quote this just in case Pragmatic blocked you. It seems important that he know he is shamed by you. Hope this helps
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 26, 2023 20:00:07 GMT -5
I have resolved my confusion. There was a old scam website called “worker transition” which is referred to here. Totally unrelated to a new legitimate site (fb group) called “a way out” stay tuned for more information. I am a member of a way out, Tori's page. She was the one that told me worker transition is a scam.
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Dean Bruer
Apr 26, 2023 20:11:34 GMT -5
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Post by verna on Apr 26, 2023 20:11:34 GMT -5
I have resolved my confusion. There was a old scam website called “worker transition” which is referred to here. Totally unrelated to a new legitimate site (fb group) called “a way out” stay tuned for more information. I am a member of a way out, Tori's page. She was the one that told me worker transition is a scam. Yes I contacted her and she explained it to me. I had confused one for the other. My mistake.
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Dean Bruer
Apr 26, 2023 20:18:50 GMT -5
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 26, 2023 20:18:50 GMT -5
Your TMB behaviour over a number of years has been "divide and rule". From what I've seen of Jonathan's posts I believe the vast majority of TMBers would happily chat with him over coffee. Not so with you - at least until you overhaul your attitude. 👍 Be in 'the great majority' and keep yourself occupied 'happily chatting away with Jonathan over coffee'. Perhaps you could get some help there? Anyway a helpful change for you from spending all day posting on TMB , adding to your tally of 17000 posts. Beside how many more thousands more under your old poster identity? Your digs and little preaches.......an 'overhaul of attitude' 'little preach'.....oh yeah....from fixit... I think it’s time to shake the dust off your feet at fixit…. You already shamed pragmatic so you are running out of weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2023 20:19:03 GMT -5
Mary miraculously conceived by the agency of the Holy Spirit (no sexual intercourse). The point I was trying to make was that nowadays it is possible for a human being or indeed certain mammals (eg sheep, goats, horses, etc) to become pregnant without the intervention of sexual intercourse, ie through the process of artificial insemination and thus if they were virginal, they could produce virgin births (no sex involved). The definition of a virgin is an unbroken hymen. No woman can give birth and remain a virgin. Artificial insemination of a human. Okay. By the holy spirit? At one point in time in Christian doctrine the holy spirit was female. Quite the feat! Oh my bad, you believe in the trinity which would mean that one of the three must be male? But then I've also been told that God is genderless. Now what? You can see how someone as 'challenged' as I cannot understand all these things. There was real meaning in calling the Spirit 'She'." In the Catholic Church, the Holy Spirit is referred to in English as "He" in liturgical texts; however, the Holy See directs that "the established gender usage of each respective language [is] to be maintained." It would have been similar I'll bet to Artificial insemination. Just because we've found it now doesn't mean God didn't know how to do it then. And a Creator of the universe would have no problems doing something like it.
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Post by fixit on Apr 26, 2023 20:29:45 GMT -5
👍 Be in 'the great majority' and keep yourself occupied 'happily chatting away with Jonathan over coffee'. Perhaps you could get some help there? Anyway a helpful change for you from spending all day posting on TMB , adding to your tally of 17000 posts. Beside how many more thousands more under your old poster identity? Your digs and little preaches.......an 'overhaul of attitude' 'little preach'.....oh yeah....from fixit... I think it’s time to shake the dust off your feet at fixit…. You already shamed pragmatic so you are running out of weapons. I'm sorry that traumatised people are seeing this and having to relive their horror. It's interesting to watch though. Worker's Playbook 101. Deny the report, attack the messenger, then deal with those who question one at a time behind closed doors.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 26, 2023 20:32:34 GMT -5
Appreciate the caution that accompanies your posts: Caution: My posts are my opinions only and are not intended to offend other members. You're entitled to your opinion, as I am mine!" Thank you!😀
Saves getting into endless off topic tangents (that you preach against and denounce against) but can't stop doing so yourself. 😳🤭 So each time you 'have a little dig' at me, don't be surprised when I don't respond; understanding them in the context of "My posts are my opinions only and are not intended to offend other members."Has the potential to save both of us time engaging in pointless exchange. But keep posting and giving your righteous little digs if you wish? I see you probably genuinely feel you are in pursuit of a good cause and righteousness, as you correctly state..... You're entitled to your opinion, as I am mine!"👍As a senior brother worker, do you have anything useful to contribute to this subject that has caused so much distress to a lot of people? NO HE DOES NOT. As I have stated and asked which he didn't answer that I saw the ONLY reason he is on here is to deflect things away from the church. He only wants to argue and does not provide productive discourse ever. He o Ly insinuates that ANYTHING anyone says is a lie regardless of detail. Yet he wants us to divulge our identities to him and believe his story which he is the ONLY source of the story the world over for all time. He can't even provide a convicted criminals name because he is protecting him. That's why his name is PoPs (protector of perverts) His goal is arguing because he has an excuse for everyone in the "work" regardless of what they do. He offers nothing because his thought process is so misconstrued and brain washed. He can offer nothing because his life does not evolve in the realm of reality. It is in a delusional world where ANY and all in the work can do no wrong.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 26, 2023 20:32:38 GMT -5
The definition of a virgin is an unbroken hymen. No woman can give birth and remain a virgin. Artificial insemination of a human. Okay. By the holy spirit? At one point in time in Christian doctrine the holy spirit was female. Quite the feat! Oh my bad, you believe in the trinity which would mean that one of the three must be male? But then I've also been told that God is genderless. Now what? You can see how someone as 'challenged' as I cannot understand all these things. There was real meaning in calling the Spirit 'She'." In the Catholic Church, the Holy Spirit is referred to in English as "He" in liturgical texts; however, the Holy See directs that "the established gender usage of each respective language [is] to be maintained." It would have been similar I'll bet to Artificial insemination. Just because we've found it now doesn't mean God didn't know how to do it then. And a Creator of the universe would have no problems doing something like it. Maybe you could have a wee chat to him about dropping the old cancer lark then.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 26, 2023 20:42:45 GMT -5
Appreciate your perspective. But it doesn't change the reality and truth of I understand that for some who post here nothing will ever be enough! 🤷♂️.Why? Because the agenda of this small number of TMB posters is to deride, mock, pull down the church fellowship they have come to despise and hate. They are a small prolific( (5-10-20k>) posting minority. The reality? essentially irrelevant static, dismissed by all except by those who are of the same sick sad mindset! I would and do stand up for your people, I have many friends in your church, including at least one worker whom I have confided in at a high level, and very recently. What I don't like is liars, bigots, kiddie fiddlers, rapists and wife beaters, especially if they're gift wrapped to appear as pillars of the church. Boom walk away KO again! The win Goes to MrDobalina! Someone get another stretcher for PoPs. He go KOed again. NO he did it himself again protecting pervs.
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Dean Bruer
Apr 26, 2023 20:48:15 GMT -5
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 26, 2023 20:48:15 GMT -5
As a senior brother worker, do you have anything useful to contribute to this subject that has caused so much distress to a lot of people? NO HE DOES NOT. As I have stated and asked which he didn't answer that I saw the ONLY reason he is on here is to deflect things away from the church. He only wants to argue and does not provide productive discourse ever. He o Ly insinuates that ANYTHING anyone says is a lie regardless of detail. Yet he wants us to divulge our identities to him and believe his story which he is the ONLY source of the story the world over for all time. He can't even provide a convicted criminals name because he is protecting him. That's why his name is PoPs (protector of perverts) His goal is arguing because he has an excuse for everyone in the "work" regardless of what they do. He offers nothing because his thought process is so misconstrued and brain washed. He can offer nothing because his life does not evolve in the realm of reality. It is in a delusional world where ANY and all in the work can do no wrong. 🤭😳Vinnyt your vile hate is as perplexing as it is obtuse.😁 allow me to emote you before I sent my discernment upon thee. Thou art Shamed! 🤯👍
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 26, 2023 21:02:33 GMT -5
I am unmoved the fixit and his 'worker 101' etc. It's the stuff he parrots regularly, it's his mindset! 🤷♂️. His thousands of posts reflecting this. What's new?🤷♂️ I have challenged posters to substantiate wild baseless allegations and statements they have made. I carefully check my facts before doing so. If you care to reread you will see that to the last one, they have been unable to do so. Hence my lack of concern at the flack I am attracting!
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 26, 2023 21:03:07 GMT -5
It is not God's way to cover up rape and pedophilia. Those who wish to be involved in an organization that has a standard and long standing practice of going out of their way to protect rapists and pedophiles should realize that it's not God's way. Hiding the truth about the Truth is not God's way of protecting the kingdom. The ONLY kingdom being protected is a shifting around of a multi million dollar money making venture per state. Who's main goal is to not be transparent but to cover up everything. Then of course there's the victims who are left to their own devices on getting help to recover from the horrific trauma. There is no money and there's no way for the victims to get help. Yet there is money to pay to move the rapists and pedophiles. The Truth hides the truth above all "unless" caught. The Truth protects rapists and pedophiles and shuns the victims. The Truth tells it's members to NOT report things or to look up anything like the history of where they came from ie:William Irvine. The Truth allows pedophiles around children. The Truth does not turn in rapists or pedophiles yet pays for their move to a new area with fresh victims. The Truth has very little truth in it. The Truth is an transparent as asphalt. The truth quotes alot of scripture but has little to do with God from what I know.
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Post by fixit on Apr 26, 2023 21:15:31 GMT -5
I am unmoved the fixit and his 'worker 101' etc. It's the stuff he parrots regularly, it's his mindset! 🤷♂️. His thousands of posts reflecting this. What's new?🤷♂️ I have challenged posters to substantiate wild baseless allegations and statements they have made. I carefully check my facts before doing so. If you care to reread you will see that to the last one, they have been unable to do so. Hence my lack of concern at the flack I am attracting! Your lack of concern is out of the same playbook. If you can't acknowledge the error of the past I wonder how you can make anything better going forward. It seems that the carnage of the past is going to have to be publicly exposed for positive change to happen.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 26, 2023 21:21:29 GMT -5
NO HE DOES NOT. As I have stated and asked which he didn't answer that I saw the ONLY reason he is on here is to deflect things away from the church. He only wants to argue and does not provide productive discourse ever. He o Ly insinuates that ANYTHING anyone says is a lie regardless of detail. Yet he wants us to divulge our identities to him and believe his story which he is the ONLY source of the story the world over for all time. He can't even provide a convicted criminals name because he is protecting him. That's why his name is PoPs (protector of perverts) His goal is arguing because he has an excuse for everyone in the "work" regardless of what they do. He offers nothing because his thought process is so misconstrued and brain washed. He can offer nothing because his life does not evolve in the realm of reality. It is in a delusional world where ANY and all in the work can do no wrong. 🤭😳Vinnyt your vile hate is as perplexing as it is obtuse.😁 allow me to emote you before I sent my discernment upon thee. Thou art Shamed! 🤯👍 I have no hate. Did I say something incorrect? Pops does argue with ANYONE who reports things and uses obsurd references like Qanon like we're just Making stuff up. He does say everyone is lying regardless well except him of course. He does ask for real identities. He does argue and poke at everyone. What did I say that Pops has not done? I love it when I am emoted. How am I hating by calling out the guy that causes more issues than anyone? How am I hating by stating facts about Pops and the Truth? It IS standard procedure to silence victims, then convince them to not report and then offer no help and only shame the victims. Then they move the perpetrator to a new area fresh with new victims. The Truth allows pedophiles and rapists to attend meeting and convention. The Truth has ex communicated or kicked out victims who pushed the issue of what happened to them or a loved one. The Truth does not help the victims yet helps the perpetrators. The Truth does not report crimes as we have seen several Overseers be jailed for doing that very same thing. How am I hating? I have Stated several times most of the people in the Truth are good people. I know some very very very well. They are severely confused on these matters and how to handle them but very good people. I've stated there are many very concerning things about the truth such as shunning the victims and protecting the rapists and pedophiles and the shuffling of the money. It's very mason/mafiaesque. How do I come across as hateful by stating facts? That's confusing to me.
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Dean Bruer
Apr 26, 2023 21:23:51 GMT -5
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 26, 2023 21:23:51 GMT -5
🤭😳Vinnyt your vile hate is as perplexing as it is obtuse.😁 allow me to emote you before I sent my discernment upon thee. Thou art Shamed! 🤯👍 I have no hate. Did I say something incorrect? Pops does argue with ANYONE who reports things and uses obsurd references like Qanon like we're just Making stuff up. He does say everyone is lying regardless well except him of course. He does ask for real identities. He does argue and poke at everyone. What did I say that Pops has not done? I love it when I am emoted. How am I hating by calling out the guy that causes more issues than anyone? How am I hating by stating facts about Pops and the Truth? It IS standard procedure to silence victims, then convince them to not report and then offer no help and only shame the victims. Then they move the perpetrator to a new area fresh with new victims. The Truth allows pedophiles and rapists to attend meeting and convention. The Truth has ex communicated or kicked out victims who pushed the issue of what happened to them or a loved one. The Truth does not help the victims yet helps the perpetrators. The Truth does not report crimes as we have seen several Overseers be jailed for doing that very same thing. How am I hating? I have Stated several times most of the people in the Truth are good people. I know some very very very well. They are severely confused on these matters and how to handle them but very good people. I've stated there are many very concerning things about the truth such as shunning the victims and protecting the rapists and pedophiles and the shuffling of the money. It's very mason/mafiaesque. How do I come across as hateful by stating facts? That's confusing to me. I’m sorry I was being sarcastic. Fill me in on the money movement theory. I’ve heard this for years but there hasn’t been any clear meat. I don’t know who would benefit from the money. And if it’s not true it takes attention away from the real problems .
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 26, 2023 21:26:10 GMT -5
I am unmoved the fixit and his 'worker 101' etc. It's the stuff he parrots regularly, it's his mindset! 🤷♂️. His thousands of posts reflecting this. What's new?🤷♂️ I have challenged posters to substantiate wild baseless allegations and statements they have made. I carefully check my facts before doing so. If you care to reread you will see that to the last one, they have been unable to do so. Hence my lack of concern at the flack I am attracting! Your lack of concern is out of the same playbook. If you can't acknowledge the error of the past I wonder how you can make anything better going forward. It seems that the carnage of the past is going to have to be publicly exposed for positive change to happen. "I have challenged posters to substantiate wild baseless allegations and statements they have made. I carefully check my facts before doing so. If you care to reread you will see that to the last one, they have been unable to do so. Hence my lack of concern at the flack I am attracting! "In doing this I'm subjecting the posters of wild baseless allegations and statements to scrutiny they don't normally face on TMB. No wonder they are upset and mock/abuse me for it! Fixit 'you are to be admired' for your support of them.
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