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Post by Get off of TMB on Jan 20, 2018 14:23:58 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Jan 20, 2018 14:37:24 GMT -5
** That is the RCC guy or gal who posted on TMB in the past, now doesn't post too much on here anymore.
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Post by blandie on Jan 20, 2018 14:47:46 GMT -5
Starts out and ends up sorta harsh but the figures in the middle of the article seem spot-on and it doesnt go into how a good percentage of workers - including nearly none of the newbie worker recruits - have little idea how the financial system operates at the senior worker and overseer levels. Theres nothing wrong with transparency and no reason to object to being transparent and up-front unless something wrong is going on behind the scenery - so why the secrecy? The tradition of shoot-yourself-in-the-foot distractions and deceptions don't help make 2x2-ism look open or honest either.
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Post by xna on Jan 20, 2018 15:15:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it's "anonymous". If you have been on TMB for very long, it's pretty clear who wrote it. Definitely a must read website. Thanks for the link.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 15:21:19 GMT -5
** That is the RCC guy or gal who posted on TMB in the past, now doesn't post too much on here anymore. are we talking simplton?
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Post by nathan on Jan 20, 2018 15:27:41 GMT -5
** That is the RCC guy or gal who posted on TMB in the past, now doesn't post too much on here anymore. are we talking simplton? ** Yes, He/She is the one and ONLY one.
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Post by nathan on Jan 20, 2018 15:46:13 GMT -5
** Yes, He/She is the one and ONLY one. He wrote Many crazy, outlandish about the overseers making billions dollars without any evidences to back it up so his posts were over the tops, and was chased out of here a few times.
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Post by blandie on Jan 20, 2018 16:00:00 GMT -5
Did simpleton ever declare him/her self to be rc? When you said rc I thot of folks like clayrandall and stanne who said they were roman church members.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 16:31:50 GMT -5
Did simpleton ever declare him/her self to be rc? When you said rc I thot of folks like clayrandall and stanne who said they were roman church members. i believe he/she said they were anglican but he/she sure pitched for the rc...
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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 20, 2018 17:11:31 GMT -5
I agree - its definitely Simpleton's website. They are both farces - scams. Someone should turn them in to snopes or some web police like that.
Also this one is his too: Worker to Regular - workertransition.weebly.com/
He was banned from both TMB and TLC.
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Post by snow on Jan 20, 2018 18:41:52 GMT -5
** Yes, He/She is the one and ONLY one. No, there have been several that have become RCC on here, Saint Anne comes to mind and another guy that used to post here, but I don't remember their name.
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Post by xna on Jan 20, 2018 18:56:29 GMT -5
I agree - its definitely Simpleton's website. Also this one is his too: Worker to Regular - workertransition.weebly.com/ He was banned from both TMB and TLC. workertransition.weebly.com/about.htmlThis seems like a good thing to do for ex-workers except I suspect they will try to convert them to the RCC. I like this org much better. clergyproject.org/
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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 20, 2018 19:20:12 GMT -5
I agree - its definitely Simpleton's website. Also this one is his too: Worker to Regular - workertransition.weebly.com/ He was banned from both TMB and TLC. workertransition.weebly.com/about.htmlThis seems like a good thing to do for ex-workers except I suspect they will try to convert them to the RCC. I like this org much better. clergyproject.org/There's nothing to this website. Its a farce. Its wishful thinking and has managed to get some workers hopes up. And Simp wasnt a RC - I'm pretty sure he was Episcopalian, but I dont care enough to check and see. Simpleton doesnt even answer his contact us button on the site.
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Post by nathan on Jan 20, 2018 20:06:57 GMT -5
** Yes, He/She is the one and ONLY one. No, there have been several that have become RCC on here, Saint Anne comes to mind and another guy that used to post here, but I don't remember their name. I meant ONLY ONE simpleton that we know of, who posts under that name.
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Post by xna on Jan 20, 2018 20:30:04 GMT -5
There's nothing to this website. Its a farce. Its wishful thinking and has managed to get some workers hopes up. And Simp wasnt a RC - I'm pretty sure he was Episcopalian, but I dont care enough to check and see. Simpleton doesnt even answer his contact us button on the site. S/He I suspect He, was a real character. S/He gave the impression they were a well off wall street type exec. Simp... reminded me of Trump due to Wharton connection and his bravado.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 20, 2018 21:11:38 GMT -5
No, there have been several that have become RCC on here, Saint Anne comes to mind and another guy that used to post here, but I don't remember their name. I meant ONLY ONE simpleton that we know of, who posts under that name.Snow, Clay Randal was the other RC...
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Post by speak on Jan 21, 2018 1:38:16 GMT -5
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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 21, 2018 9:02:05 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Jan 21, 2018 13:46:38 GMT -5
No, there have been several that have become RCC on here, Saint Anne comes to mind and another guy that used to post here, but I don't remember their name. I meant ONLY ONE simpleton that we know of, who posts under that name.Oh yes, sorry. I misunderstood what you meant.
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Post by snow on Jan 21, 2018 13:47:37 GMT -5
I meant ONLY ONE simpleton that we know of, who posts under that name. Snow, Clay Randal was the other RC... Thanks Cherie
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Post by bluejay on Jan 21, 2018 20:10:55 GMT -5
From this mentioned website: 4) Organ trafficking. Poor countries are widely known as sources of kidneys and other organs for customers in rich countries. 2x2 ministers facilitate this transaction. (educated guess) 5) Diamond and precious stones trafficking. The 2x2 ministers serve as 'mules' to move assets from rich Royalty 2x2s out of the US and away from IRS's prying eyes. (educated guess) I find number 4 to be absurd. Seriously. And we worry about drugs & illegal immigrants being smuggled in to our countries !!! I can just imagine the required cooler for these organs passing through customs .... and the interrogation the imports would face. I have at present 3 family members in the work. There is NO WAY they would be "dealing in organs or precious stones". The financial situation in the fellowship may be questionable, and certainly should be more transparent. However the above statements are beyond belief.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 21, 2018 20:33:46 GMT -5
Both of Simpleton's websites above are farces - scams.
Someone should turn them in to snopes or some web police like that.
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Post by xna on Jan 21, 2018 20:40:01 GMT -5
From this mentioned website: 4) Organ trafficking. Poor countries are widely known as sources of kidneys and other organs for customers in rich countries. 2x2 ministers facilitate this transaction. (educated guess) 5) Diamond and precious stones trafficking. The 2x2 ministers serve as 'mules' to move assets from rich Royalty 2x2s out of the US and away from IRS's prying eyes. (educated guess) I find number 4 to be absurd. Seriously. And we worry about drugs & illegal immigrants being smuggled in to our countries !!! I can just imagine the required cooler for these organs passing through customs .... and the interrogation the imports would face. I have at present 3 family members in the work. There is NO WAY they would be "dealing in organs or precious stones". The financial situation in the fellowship may be questionable, and certainly should be more transparent. However the above statements are beyond belief. There were a lot of other damning indictment on S/He's website. I was told once by a tax fraud investigator that owing a movie theater was one the best business for money laundering, as there was nothing you bought (on the books) that could indicate if 10 or 100 people bought a ticket for a show. I found the reported money laundering techniques to be outdated. Why not just use block chained cryptocurrency?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 21, 2018 20:42:10 GMT -5
There's nothing to this website. Its a farce. Its wishful thinking and has managed to get some workers hopes up. And Simp wasnt a RC - I'm pretty sure he was Episcopalian, but I dont care enough to check and see. Simpleton doesnt even answer his contact us button on the site. Episcopalians/Anglicans are "Catholics", just not "Roman" Catholics. They call themselves that regularly.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jan 22, 2018 3:14:25 GMT -5
The rankings and ravings of a nutter, at first read. In my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 6:39:09 GMT -5
Simpleton had some really relevant figures here, namely
+ 16,000,000 income - 1,500,000 worker start-off cash - 4,500,000 convention expense - 500,000 gospel meeting expense - 5,000,000 worker discretionary spending = $4,500,000 Excess profit from operations goes to Overseers annually
Unfortunately the figure of £16,000,000 was based on a 2x2 population of 160,000 that everyone accepts is far too high nowadays - more like 80,000 people. So the £16m should in reality be £8m.
Following the figures through, this then leads to a yearly deficit of £3.5m
Looks like the people should really be increasing their contributions by about 50% each year so things can break even.
I trust that all the professing people will budget for this accordingly. Otherwise, not only will the ministry be without home they will be in debt as well. Please could everyone sort this matter out quickly.
I had noticed that gospel preaching has become pretty lacklustre these days - maybe this is due to money worries and insufficient sustenance to give bodily strength.
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Post by withlove on Jan 22, 2018 7:22:24 GMT -5
Simpleton had some really relevant figures here, namely + 16,000,000 income - 1,500,000 worker start-off cash - 4,500,000 convention expense - 500,000 gospel meeting expense - 5,000,000 worker discretionary spending = $4,500,000 Excess profit from operations goes to Overseers annually Unfortunately the figure of £16,000,000 was based on a 2x2 population of 160,000 that everyone accepts is far too high nowadays - more like 80,000 people. So the £16m should in reality be £8m. Following the figures through, this then leads to a yearly deficit of £3.5m Looks like the people should really be increasing their contributions by about 50% each year so things can break even. I trust that all the professing people will budget for this accordingly. Otherwise, not only will the ministry be without home they will be in debt as well. Please could everyone sort this matter out quickly. I had noticed that gospel preaching has become pretty lacklustre these days - maybe this is due to money worries and insufficient sustenance to give bodily strength. What is worker start-off cash? The money distributed by overseer to workers after convention? So the worker discretionary spending would be coming to them directly from the laity?
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Post by blandie on Jan 22, 2018 14:00:55 GMT -5
Simpleton had some really relevant figures here, namely + 16,000,000 income - 1,500,000 worker start-off cash - 4,500,000 convention expense - 500,000 gospel meeting expense - 5,000,000 worker discretionary spending = $4,500,000 Excess profit from operations goes to Overseers annually Unfortunately the figure of £16,000,000 was based on a 2x2 population of 160,000 that everyone accepts is far too high nowadays - more like 80,000 people. So the £16m should in reality be £8m. Following the figures through, this then leads to a yearly deficit of £3.5m Looks like the people should really be increasing their contributions by about 50% each year so things can break even. I trust that all the professing people will budget for this accordingly. Otherwise, not only will the ministry be without home they will be in debt as well. Please could everyone sort this matter out quickly. I had noticed that gospel preaching has become pretty lacklustre these days - maybe this is due to money worries and insufficient sustenance to give bodily strength. not a chance that theres a deficit unless something really fishy is going on behind the scenes and fewer numbers would translate to fewer workers and less expenses for conventions and the like. The figures also don't include income from the assets held in trust and while at some point the older folks dying and leaving estates to the work will taper off if they don't start getting and retaining the youngsters theres a big overlap when income from bequests would normally increase before dropping off from falling average age of the hearty friends. Doesn't work to confuse £ with $ either What is worker start-off cash? The money distributed by overseer to workers after convention? So the worker discretionary spending would be coming to them directly from the laity? Good question - used to be $400-$500 plus a plane ticket if going overseas. Has this increased lately? Beyond that is going to be provided by the local friends as needed.
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