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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 25, 2023 20:00:20 GMT -5
So you mock them back? Please, I beg you to understand that seeing workers have this type of countenance just breaks my/our heart. It is in this manner that other workers and friends have been treated by workers whether it be about CSA or other matters. We need to be Christlike in all we say and do no matter who we say it to or who we are with. I say these things in love only and to encourage God’s standard. I would encourage it of all posters, but to see a worker post in this way time and time again breaks the trust we put in our workers. Unfortunately, this worker is actually a Troll. If we've learnt anything this past month, there are a lot of trolls in the ministry. It is very sad and disheartening. What's even more wild, is InternationalStudies is probably staying in someone's home, being very kind and courteous, holier than thou... until he sneaks away to his room to troll TMB. You consider me a troll. I don't mind. Your experience?/mindset? tells you "there are a lot of trolls in the ministry"
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 25, 2023 20:07:41 GMT -5
So you mock them back? Please, I beg you to understand that seeing workers have this type of countenance just breaks my/our heart. It is in this manner that other workers and friends have been treated by workers whether it be about CSA or other matters. We need to be Christlike in all we say and do no matter who we say it to or who we are with. I say these things in love only and to encourage God’s standard. I would encourage it of all posters, but to see a worker post in this way time and time again breaks the trust we put in our workers. Call it 'mock' if that is how you understand it. Also please don't label the ministry as whole by the experience of a few. It is simply impossible to have meaningful dialogue with this small minority.Do acknowledge the experience of so many workers and friends who interact with each others in a right and Christlike manner? That of course does not preclude the reality that this does not/has not always happened. I think what you fail to recognize is how we feel like we've been completely duped. "Do acknowledge the experience of so many workers and friends who interact with each others in a right and Christlike manner?" What kind of an out-of-touch question is this? Many workers and friends that we've interacted with have been Christlike as far as we have known. Only to discover that this is not the case. And you really don't help the case. I never in a million years expected a worker to act like such a frivolous child on the internet. So there we go again... another image of the workers has been destroyed. You can thank yourself for continuing to ruin the reputation of yours and your co-workers.
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 25, 2023 20:10:34 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this worker is actually a Troll. If we've learnt anything this past month, there are a lot of trolls in the ministry. It is very sad and disheartening. What's even more wild, is InternationalStudies is probably staying in someone's home, being very kind and courteous, holier than thou... until he sneaks away to his room to troll TMB. You consider me a troll, do so! Your experience?/mindset? tells you "there are a lot of trolls in the ministry" Yes, with the letters continuing to come out every 2 days, I feel like there are a lot of trolls in the ministry.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 25, 2023 20:14:58 GMT -5
You consider me a troll, do so! Your experience?/mindset? tells you "there are a lot of trolls in the ministry" Yes, with the letters continuing to come out every 2 days, I feel like there are a lot of trolls in the ministry. Yes there since the matter of Dean and through the good work of Cynthia Liles concerns are being voiced, listening to and addressed. I support this. The ministry is facing up to some uncomfortable truths and reality. I see the conclusion being a cleansed ministry.
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Post by fixit on Apr 26, 2023 0:04:13 GMT -5
I tried to explain this perspective as an active "saint" in an earlier post but to no avail. Their lack of self-awareness is so bad I'm still half-convinced they are a troll pretending to be a worker. But hey, nothing surprises me these days. Contrast with jonathan who has the spirit of reconciliation in every post. Ok I'm quite happy for you and unwatched to discontinue any further dialogue with me and direct your concerns to Jonathan! I'll be interested to see how he copes with the posters that I refer to.... and for how long! If them posting their poison and falsehood unchallenged is ok for Jonathan he will get on fine with them btw you two come across as decent good people Your TMB behaviour over a number of years has been "divide and rule". From what I've seen of Jonathan's posts I believe the vast majority of TMBers would happily chat with him over coffee. Not so with you - at least until you overhaul your attitude.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 26, 2023 0:41:44 GMT -5
Ok I'm quite happy for you and unwatched to discontinue any further dialogue with me and direct your concerns to Jonathan! I'll be interested to see how he copes with the posters that I refer to.... and for how long! If them posting their poison and falsehood unchallenged is ok for Jonathan he will get on fine with them btw you two come across as decent good people Your TMB behaviour over a number of years has been "divide and rule". From what I've seen of Jonathan's posts I believe the vast majority of TMBers would happily chat with him over coffee. Not so with you - at least until you overhaul your attitude. 👍 Be in 'the great majority' and keep yourself occupied 'happily chatting away with Jonathan over coffee'. Perhaps you could get some help there? Anyway a helpful change for you from spending all day posting on TMB , adding to your tally of 17000 posts. Beside how many more thousands more under your old poster identity? Your digs and little preaches.......an 'overhaul of attitude' 'little preach'.....oh yeah....from fixit...
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 26, 2023 3:49:30 GMT -5
“ but fortunately they don't matter [img class="smile" “ And herein lies the problem. Jesus died for all of us and everyone does matter. Everyone is our neighbour. We (those you profess) have a standard to uphold - God’s standard. We don’t have a ‘I’m better than you’ countenance - we show grace, even when accused. So much trust has been broken by workers in places of power. Please understand that this conduct (manner in which you post) further breaks trust. Appreciate your perspective. But it doesn't change the reality and truth of I understand that for some who post here nothing will ever be enough! 🤷♂️.Why? Because the agenda of this small number of TMB posters is to deride, mock, pull down the church fellowship they have come to despise and hate. They are a small prolific( (5-10-20k>) posting minority. The reality? essentially irrelevant static, dismissed by all except by those who are of the same sick sad mindset! I would and do stand up for your people, I have many friends in your church, including at least one worker whom I have confided in at a high level, and very recently. What I don't like is liars, bigots, kiddie fiddlers, rapists and wife beaters, especially if they're gift wrapped to appear as pillars of the church.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 26, 2023 4:17:41 GMT -5
"What I don't like is liars, bigots, kiddie fiddlers, rapists and wife beaters, especially if they're gift wrapped to appear as pillars of the church"
According to how the Internationalstudies post was written, this is either static, or a sick mindset!
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 26, 2023 4:25:23 GMT -5
"What I don't like is liars, bigots, kiddie fiddlers, rapists and wife beaters, especially if they're gift wrapped to appear as pillars of the church" According to how the Internationalstudies post was written, this is either static, or a sick mindset! A sick mindset is pretending to be a church leader while being most of the above.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 26, 2023 4:45:45 GMT -5
"What I don't like is liars, bigots, kiddie fiddlers, rapists and wife beaters, especially if they're gift wrapped to appear as pillars of the church" According to how the Internationalstudies post was written, this is either static, or a sick mindset! A sick mindset is pretending to be a church leader while being most of the above. Exactly - Internationalstudies needs to include English Grammar in his studies
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 26, 2023 9:49:35 GMT -5
A conspiracy theories is an attempt to relate two unrelated matters/statements. This is the mind game pragmatic is attempting here! a) Pragmatic doesn't like " liars, bigots, kiddie fiddlers, rapists and wife beaters, especially if they're gift wrapped to appear as pillars of the church" ....... Quite a profound statement/a moral high ground he is taking!!! Who does like such?!!! 🤔 b) Then he deviously but unsuccessfully attempts to relate that to an unrelated statement I have made about posters like himself, fixit, mrbalino etc etc. Notice how he does it with the use of 'according.....! Nice try pragmatic, but we are wise to the game you play, you are too 'clever' for your own good!🤷♂️ You can fool some of the people some of the time but not TMB readers all of the time. This is beside other mischief you get up to, posting factually incorrect statement about situation where I happen to 100% know the facts. Another attempt to mislead!🤷♂️
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 26, 2023 12:17:22 GMT -5
A conspiracy theories is an attempt to relate two unrelated matters/statements. This is the mind game pragmatic is attempting here! a) Pragmatic doesn't like " liars, bigots, kiddie fiddlers, rapists and wife beaters, especially if they're gift wrapped to appear as pillars of the church" ....... Quite a profound statement/a moral high ground he is taking!!! Who does like such?!!! 🤔 b) Then he deviously but unsuccessfully attempts to relate that to an unrelated statement I have made about posters like himself, fixit, mrbalino etc etc. Notice how he does it with the use of 'according.....! Nice try pragmatic, but we are wise to the game you play, you are too 'clever' for your own good!🤷♂️ You can fool some of the people some of the time but not TMB readers all of the time. This is beside other mischief you get up to, posting factually incorrect statement about situation where I happen to 100% know the facts. Another attempt to mislead!🤷♂️ The problem you have is that there are a good sized body of people who do not believe you. You have a credibility issue. That's what happens to people like you who pontificate on matters as if they know it all.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 26, 2023 12:47:22 GMT -5
A conspiracy theories is an attempt to relate two unrelated matters/statements. This is the mind game pragmatic is attempting here! a) Pragmatic doesn't like " liars, bigots, kiddie fiddlers, rapists and wife beaters, especially if they're gift wrapped to appear as pillars of the church" ....... Quite a profound statement/a moral high ground he is taking!!! Who does like such?!!! 🤔 b) Then he deviously but unsuccessfully attempts to relate that to an unrelated statement I have made about posters like himself, fixit, mrbalino etc etc. Notice how he does it with the use of 'according.....! Nice try pragmatic, but we are wise to the game you play, you are too 'clever' for your own good!🤷♂️ You can fool some of the people some of the time but not TMB readers all of the time. This is beside other mischief you get up to, posting factually incorrect statement about situation where I happen to 100% know the facts. Another attempt to mislead!🤷♂️ The problem you have is that there are a good sized body of people who do not believe you. You have a credibility issue. That's what happens to people like you who pontificate on matters as if they know it all. You see my pontificating problem clearly! You also find the truth of my post uncomfortable ? You haven't been crude or vulgar this post? You regularly are in your posts. 😳
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Post by verna on Apr 26, 2023 13:08:35 GMT -5
Unfortunately I have it on fairly good authority that it's a scam site, why someone would want to scam ex workers is beyond me. I'd be happy to be proved wrong however. Oh that’s terrible then. I see no reason to believe that this is a scam. I don’t understand why people are saying it is. Anyone who says so, please fill me in. Reputable people are heading it up.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 26, 2023 13:41:29 GMT -5
The problem you have is that there are a good sized body of people who do not believe you. You have a credibility issue. That's what happens to people like you who pontificate on matters as if they know it all. You see my pontificating problem clearly! You also find the truth of my post uncomfortable ? You haven't been crude or vulgar this post? You regularly are in your posts. 😳 You assume that I find your "truth" discomforts me. It's a little bit different to that. People like you who peddle lies are like an unflushed floater.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 26, 2023 15:38:57 GMT -5
A conspiracy theories is an attempt to relate two unrelated matters/statements. This is the mind game pragmatic is attempting here! a) Pragmatic doesn't like " liars, bigots, kiddie fiddlers, rapists and wife beaters, especially if they're gift wrapped to appear as pillars of the church" ....... Quite a profound statement/a moral high ground he is taking!!! Who does like such?!!! 🤔 b) Then he deviously but unsuccessfully attempts to relate that to an unrelated statement I have made about posters like himself, fixit, mrbalino etc etc. Notice how he does it with the use of 'according.....! Nice try pragmatic, but we are wise to the game you play, you are too 'clever' for your own good!🤷♂️ You can fool some of the people some of the time but not TMB readers all of the time. This is beside other mischief you get up to, posting factually incorrect statement about situation where I happen to 100% know the facts. Another attempt to mislead!🤷♂️ Rubbish - I was simply poking some fun at your grammar which could be taken to read that people opposing liars bigots etc had a sick mindset!
With regard to a particular case. My wife is close friends with one of the victims, and was discussing the case only a few weeks ago. If that is the what the victim understands, then church failed in it's duty to protect the victim. Part of what the church should do is make sure that justice is also seen to be done, and the friends are not blaming the victim(s), and feeling sorry for the perpetrator.
I understand that in the case you mentioned where you considered the church had done the right thing, a similar situation was also the result, and the victim felt as if the blame was apportioned to her by the friends. If that was true, then again, the church failed in it's duty of pastoral care.
With respect to the Phoenix case, where I posted up a journalist's entry, and you mocked it as being a Qanon style scoop.
The details are:
He is a wealthy elder. Qanon scoop?
Mocking and scoffing should not be your modus operandi
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 26, 2023 15:50:37 GMT -5
Pragmatic: When you tell the truth you don't need to change your story. It remains as I've posted from the beginning: Then your mischief/devious conspiracy theory type statement in your recent post: In that you are telling more about yourself not me!🤷♂️
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Post by snow on Apr 26, 2023 15:59:19 GMT -5
Wow is that for real!! That is fabulous! I have often wondered how the older workers that might need to leave the work would feel trapped because they had no where to go, no money, in some cases no work skills or training. Unfortunately I have it on fairly good authority that it's a scam site, why someone would want to scam ex workers is beyond me. I'd be happy to be proved wrong however. Now that's sad. It did seem too good to be true, but I had really wanted it to be true. There is a genuine need for something exactly like that.
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Post by snow on Apr 26, 2023 16:02:19 GMT -5
It would be quite easy to tell who are the mad ones in a church. Just ask them if they believe in virgin birth. An excellent idea my friend. I cannot understand some people who actually believe that virgin cattle and sheep, etc., (why not humans?) can be artificially inseminated, become pregnant and give birth to offspring. Absolute nonsense this virgin birth thing. Impossible! Are you saying Mary was inseminated? hmmm The catholics say she's still a virgin, which technically that's impossible if she had a normal birth. But they were thinking ahead of course and now claim that she somehow delivered through her side. C section...? And people wonder why there are people that think religion is a tad unbelievable...
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Post by mountain on Apr 26, 2023 16:18:04 GMT -5
An excellent idea my friend. I cannot understand some people who actually believe that virgin cattle and sheep, etc., (why not humans?) can be artificially inseminated, become pregnant and give birth to offspring. Absolute nonsense this virgin birth thing. Impossible! Are you saying Mary was inseminated? hmmm The catholics say she's still a virgin, which technically that's impossible if she had a normal birth. But they were thinking ahead of course and now claim that she somehow delivered through her side. C section...? And people wonder why there are people that think religion is a tad unbelievable... Mary miraculously conceived by the agency of the Holy Spirit (no sexual intercourse). The point I was trying to make was that nowadays it is possible for a human being or indeed certain mammals (eg sheep, goats, horses, etc) to become pregnant without the intervention of sexual intercourse, ie through the process of artificial insemination and thus if they were virginal, they could produce virgin births (no sex involved).
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 26, 2023 16:39:57 GMT -5
A conspiracy theories is an attempt to relate two unrelated matters/statements. This is the mind game pragmatic is attempting here! a) Pragmatic doesn't like " liars, bigots, kiddie fiddlers, rapists and wife beaters, especially if they're gift wrapped to appear as pillars of the church" ....... Quite a profound statement/a moral high ground he is taking!!! Who does like such?!!! 🤔 b) Then he deviously but unsuccessfully attempts to relate that to an unrelated statement I have made about posters like himself, fixit, mrbalino etc etc. Notice how he does it with the use of 'according.....! Nice try pragmatic, but we are wise to the game you play, you are too 'clever' for your own good!🤷♂️ You can fool some of the people some of the time but not TMB readers all of the time. This is beside other mischief you get up to, posting factually incorrect statement about situation where I happen to 100% know the facts. Another attempt to mislead!🤷♂️ You simply saying that dosent make it fact. I appreciate that you are accustomed to folk clinging onto your every word unquestioningly, so you have some learning to do in that area.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 26, 2023 16:42:11 GMT -5
I see no reason to believe that this is a scam. I don’t understand why people are saying it is. Anyone who says so, please fill me in. Reputable people are heading it up. I sincerely hope it isint. I pointed someone at it several days ago that is well in the loop & got told that immediately. Can anyone add to this either way?
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Post by snow on Apr 26, 2023 16:45:27 GMT -5
Are you saying Mary was inseminated? hmmm The catholics say she's still a virgin, which technically that's impossible if she had a normal birth. But they were thinking ahead of course and now claim that she somehow delivered through her side. C section...? And people wonder why there are people that think religion is a tad unbelievable... Mary miraculously conceived by the agency of the Holy Spirit (no sexual intercourse). The point I was trying to make was that nowadays it is possible for a human being or indeed certain mammals (eg sheep, goats, horses, etc) to become pregnant without the intervention of sexual intercourse, ie through the process of artificial insemination and thus if they were virginal, they could produce virgin births (no sex involved). The definition of a virgin is an unbroken hymen. No woman can give birth and remain a virgin. Artificial insemination of a human. Okay. By the holy spirit? At one point in time in Christian doctrine the holy spirit was female. Quite the feat! Oh my bad, you believe in the trinity which would mean that one of the three must be male? But then I've also been told that God is genderless. Now what? You can see how someone as 'challenged' as I cannot understand all these things. There was real meaning in calling the Spirit 'She'." In the Catholic Church, the Holy Spirit is referred to in English as "He" in liturgical texts; however, the Holy See directs that "the established gender usage of each respective language [is] to be maintained."
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Post by fixit on Apr 26, 2023 16:51:31 GMT -5
Pragmatic: When you tell the truth you don't need to change your story. It remains as I've posted from the beginning: Then your mischief/devious conspiracy theory type statement in your recent post: In that you are telling more about yourself not me!🤷♂️ You're not listening. Prags wrote: My wife is close friends with one of the victims, and was discussing the case only a few weeks ago. If that is the what the victim understands, then church failed in it's duty to protect the victim. Part of what the church should do is make sure that justice is also seen to be done, and the friends are not blaming the victim(s), and feeling sorry for the perpetrator.
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Dean Bruer
Apr 26, 2023 17:03:47 GMT -5
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Post by chuck on Apr 26, 2023 17:03:47 GMT -5
Pragmatic: When you tell the truth you don't need to change your story. It remains as I've posted from the beginning: Then your mischief/devious conspiracy theory type statement in your recent post: In that you are telling more about yourself not me!🤷♂️ You're not listening. Prags wrote: My wife is close friends with one of the victims, and was discussing the case only a few weeks ago. If that is the what the victim understands, then church failed in it's duty to protect the victim. Part of what the church should do is make sure that justice is also seen to be done, and the friends are not blaming the victim(s), and feeling sorry for the perpetrator. Has this bloke even spoken to the victim?.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 26, 2023 17:19:08 GMT -5
Pragmatic: When you tell the truth you don't need to change your story. It remains as I've posted from the beginning: Then your mischief/devious conspiracy theory type statement in your recent post: In that you are telling more about yourself not me!🤷♂️ You're not listening. Prags wrote: My wife is close friends with one of the victims, and was discussing the case only a few weeks ago. If that is the what the victim understands, then church failed in it's duty to protect the victim. Part of what the church should do is make sure that justice is also seen to be done, and the friends are not blaming the victim(s), and feeling sorry for the perpetrator. You're not listening. Intstudies is bent on deflection and minimizing the ugly side of the church he belongs to. That says a lot about his personality.
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Dean Bruer
Apr 26, 2023 17:23:32 GMT -5
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Post by verna on Apr 26, 2023 17:23:32 GMT -5
Wow is that for real!! That is fabulous! I have often wondered how the older workers that might need to leave the work would feel trapped because they had no where to go, no money, in some cases no work skills or training. Unfortunately I have it on fairly good authority that it's a scam site, why someone would want to scam ex workers is beyond me. I'd be happy to be proved wrong however. Ok mr B. Here is your post that claims the site is a scam. A more recent posts claims otherwise. Please clarify. Thx.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 26, 2023 17:29:23 GMT -5
YET ANOTHER ONE
Braydon Dutton removed from work April 26 Braydon D. is now with his folks here in Billings.
He will take time out of the work.
We are deeply grieved that these necessary steps are being taken. Braydon will need to remain out of the work at this time.
We are encouraging him to get needed counseling and therapeutic help for his inappropriate & unbecoming behavior.
Braydon has terrible remorse that he has caused such great concern & harm.
We do not believe that there are any criminal acts involved.
We will support him as best we can to go forward and find his steps ordered in the right direction
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