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Post by intelchips on Apr 25, 2023 14:15:56 GMT -5
I mean this in no impertinent way my dear friend, but I sincerely hope I never have to rely on you for traffic directions. Point 2. Regarding your last sentence. A word of warning. Do not EVER attempt to make out that you are more of your rocker than I am! I proudly wear that badge and the crown. Seek to usurp me at your peril! How does the saying go? about if you are wondering who the crazy person in the room is...it's you! I think we all feel that way sometimes. And I promise that driving directions are much easier for me to transmit than my garbled thoughts on these matters. These walls of poorly formatted text (could have done a better job of that...no excuse) can make nuance difficult to achieve and even more difficult to folllow. Workers on the back porch singing: I shall not be, I shall not be moved I shall not be, I shall not be moved Just like a tree that's planted by the water I shall not be moved
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Post by verna on Apr 25, 2023 14:17:27 GMT -5
Sad to say another offender was caught in Alberta ! Wings for Truth Christopher Giauque pleads guilty to possession of child pornography wingsfortruth2 Apr 24 www.sprucegroveexaminer.com/news/local-news/christopher-giauque-pleads-guilty-for-possession-of-child-pornographyChristopher Giauque, a 31-year-old teacher at Spruce Grove Composite High School in Edmonton, was charged with possession of child pornography. Published Apr 02, 2021 • Last updated Apr 02, 2021 Former Spruce Grove Composite High School teacher Christopher Giauque has plead guilty to the possession of child pornography. He is scheduled for arraignment at Edmonton Court of Queens Bench on Apr. 9, 2021. Photo by Ian Kucerak/Edmonton Sun/QMI Agency. Former Spruce Grove Composite High School teacher Christopher Giauque has pleaded guilty for the possession of child pornography. Giauque was arrested in October 2019 by the Alberta Law Enforcement Response Teams’ (ALERT) Internet Child Exploitation (ICE) Unit and charged with the alleged possession of child pornography. The court heard upon police investigation, authorities discovered thousands of pornographic images, in addition to videos, on devices belonging to Giauque. During his latest court appearance on Saturday, Mar. 17, at Edmonton Court of Queens Bench, Giauque plead guilty to charges of possessing child pornography. He is scheduled for arraignment at Edmonton Court of Queens Bench on Friday, Apr. 9, 2021. One of us will seek out the sentence and paperwork . However once again the some people in the way poor choices . Just keep hiding instead of kicking their butts outta meetings . He should been put out completely . Chinese whispers I’m looking for confirmation that this guy was professing. I can’t find it on wings for truth website. The link just takes me to the newspaper article. Can you verify?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 25, 2023 14:37:44 GMT -5
How does the saying go? about if you are wondering who the crazy person in the room is...it's you! I think we all feel that way sometimes. And I promise that driving directions are much easier for me to transmit than my garbled thoughts on these matters. These walls of poorly formatted text (could have done a better job of that...no excuse) can make nuance difficult to achieve and even more difficult to folllow. Workers on the back porch singing: I shall not be, I shall not be moved I shall not be, I shall not be moved Just like a tree that's planted by the water I shall not be moved Some of them wont be having a porch to sit on.
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 25, 2023 15:08:42 GMT -5
UPDATE! New letter from Rob Newman, regarding Jon VandenBerg's removal from the work. Feel free to share publicly. Dear fellow workers, elders, and friends, Our prayers are that God will help us make the right decisions as we go forward. We realize that his hand is active. This gives us hope. We are looking forward to seeing you at the upcoming conventions. We are saddened that it has become necessary for us to ask John VanDenBerg to step aside from the ministry. Recently we have received several credible allegations of unacceptable sexual behavior, including a complaint of inappropriate touching of a minor, which has been reported to the authorities. We want to make sure that all victims and their families feel free to come forward so we can support them in every way possible - they will not be blamed, and their identities will be kept confidential. We also want to confirm again, that sexual abuse in the ministry and the betrayal of trust it represents, will not be tolerated. These things bring sorrow and concern to our heart, and we think especially of those who are victims. In recent times, when more of these kinds of errors have been brought to light and dealt with, we are left with the feeling that God has brought about a special season of cleansing, and change going forward. In our grief, we are comforted to know that His hand is working a greater work for the good of everyone involved. Once again, we are reminded His name is a holy name, not to be profaned, and this causes us all to deeply search our own heart. 2 Timothy 2:19 "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. "We are thankful for the perfect foundation in Jesus, and the comfort of knowing our Father is working in these events and that He is well able to help, heal, and preserve every soul who comes to Him with a humble, contrite heart. Thanks for your support and input. Elders, please communicate this letter to each family or individual in your meeting soon, in an appropriate way. Your brother, Rob What area is this in?
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Post by mountain on Apr 25, 2023 15:16:44 GMT -5
I mean this in no impertinent way my dear friend, but I sincerely hope I never have to rely on you for traffic directions. Point 2. Regarding your last sentence. A word of warning. Do not EVER attempt to make out that you are more of your rocker than I am! I proudly wear that badge and the crown. Seek to usurp me at your peril! How does the saying go? about if you are wondering who the crazy person in the room is...it's you! I think we all feel that way sometimes. And I promise that driving directions are much easier for me to transmit than my garbled thoughts on these matters. These walls of poorly formatted text (could have done a better job of that...no excuse) can make nuance difficult to achieve and even more difficult to folllow. Hi Deep X 2, I am reminded of the episode when Jesus told his disciples that one of them would betray him. None of them suspected Judas or any other of their brother disciples and were left wondering if it was themselves who would do the deed. Nevertheless, don't get any ideas above your station regarding being the most off your rocker!
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 25, 2023 15:36:11 GMT -5
UPDATE! New letter from Rob Newman, regarding Jon VandenBerg's removal from the work. Feel free to share publicly. Dear fellow workers, elders, and friends, Our prayers are that God will help us make the right decisions as we go forward. We realize that his hand is active. This gives us hope. We are looking forward to seeing you at the upcoming conventions. We are saddened that it has become necessary for us to ask John VanDenBerg to step aside from the ministry. Recently we have received several credible allegations of unacceptable sexual behavior, including a complaint of inappropriate touching of a minor, which has been reported to the authorities. We want to make sure that all victims and their families feel free to come forward so we can support them in every way possible - they will not be blamed, and their identities will be kept confidential. We also want to confirm again, that sexual abuse in the ministry and the betrayal of trust it represents, will not be tolerated. These things bring sorrow and concern to our heart, and we think especially of those who are victims. In recent times, when more of these kinds of errors have been brought to light and dealt with, we are left with the feeling that God has brought about a special season of cleansing, and change going forward. In our grief, we are comforted to know that His hand is working a greater work for the good of everyone involved. Once again, we are reminded His name is a holy name, not to be profaned, and this causes us all to deeply search our own heart. 2 Timothy 2:19 "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. "We are thankful for the perfect foundation in Jesus, and the comfort of knowing our Father is working in these events and that He is well able to help, heal, and preserve every soul who comes to Him with a humble, contrite heart. Thanks for your support and input. Elders, please communicate this letter to each family or individual in your meeting soon, in an appropriate way. Your brother, Rob What area is this in?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 25, 2023 15:37:59 GMT -5
How does the saying go? about if you are wondering who the crazy person in the room is...it's you! I think we all feel that way sometimes. And I promise that driving directions are much easier for me to transmit than my garbled thoughts on these matters. These walls of poorly formatted text (could have done a better job of that...no excuse) can make nuance difficult to achieve and even more difficult to folllow. Hi Deep X 2, I am reminded of the episode when Jesus told his disciples that one of them would betray him. None of them suspected Judas or any other of their brother disciples and were left wondering if it was themselves who would do the deed. Nevertheless, don't get any ideas above your station regarding being the most off your rocker! It would be quite easy to tell who are the mad ones in a church. Just ask them if they believe in virgin birth.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 25, 2023 16:11:29 GMT -5
Now worker John Vandenburg has been asked to step aside due to complaints of inappropriate sexual behavior.
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Post by snow on Apr 25, 2023 16:16:58 GMT -5
I agree that all systems are imperfect, but I don't think there is the same impact on organizations that aren't religions so they tend to not protect those in their ranks. Judeo/Christian/Islam religions, by their very definition, are supposed to be about people who hold to a higher standard than the rest of the world. They follow a God that is perfect. So there is more to defend when the people 'fall short' of these standards. Wrong or right they are held to a higher standard and they know it. So the tendency to hide these things becomes more important for the reputation of the Church. We saw it with the RCC and other denominations and now we are seeing within the 2x2's. What is surprising is that we are surprised. To address the last paragraph, if you knew it was happening and you kept silent you are responsible. I agree taking on responsibility for things you had nothing to do with is not healthy. You point out that the group is not large. So how many knew this was happening but just decided it was alright to believe the workers when they told them 'it's all under control' or 'they've got the wrong spirit' etc. When Walter was found to be guilty of advances on a child, many within the group stated he was found innocent because they never charged him. He confessed that he did it but that part gets ignored and people are willing to still defend him. He was allowed to go to Glen Valley convention with children is an example of what happens when these acts are downplayed. As far as how many knew....you probably would know better than me. The question of collective guilt is one that I'm very careful around. I'll take you at your word about this "Walter" though. I think you may be right in your assessment of Judaism/Christianity (don't have much knowledge about Islam) as it is understood and largely practiced. However, many scholars and religious thinkers view that as an an error. It seems like the very people who say they follow Christ start by moving in the completely wrong direction. I don't know how much blame to lay at the feet of everyday people who don't have the time to delve deeply into the history of the Christian tradition though. At some point...if it's a movement that will stand the test of time (and largely....that has happened) it needs to be a simple story that is understood and digested by children. I'm speaking specifically of Christianity and Judiasm...not strictly 2x2ism. From what I can tell...much of the problems that give rise to people like DB are pretty typical of the version of evangelical Christianity that has dominated the post-civil war western world. I just want to clarify that I don't think all the 2x2's are responsible. If that's what was understood from what I said, it's not what I meant. I do think that a lot of what went on was hidden from many of them and that's not their fault of course. I'm not sure how many of the workers are in that category though. I think many of them knew what was happening with those workers where allegations were brought forward though. You're right. Most Christians don't have the time to really research their religion. It's a learned thing as it was for me growing up in the 2x2 faith.
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Post by snow on Apr 25, 2023 16:22:35 GMT -5
I am curious also. What changes, if any, do you think would be helpful? What changes are coming that we havent heard about due to lack of communication from our overseers? Do you genuinely believe it's just one or two or thee bad men or do you see there is a larger problem? I assume you are from Canada, Do you believe the Walter B situation was handled properly? I am curious to your thoughts...not just your constant bickering with others. And maybe for the workers that aren’t interested in changing we can direct them to this website. Apparently they’ll help you transition out of the work and into being a regular tax paying civilian workertransition.weebly.com/Wow is that for real!! That is fabulous! I have often wondered how the older workers that might need to leave the work would feel trapped because they had no where to go, no money, in some cases no work skills or training.
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 25, 2023 16:37:04 GMT -5
And maybe for the workers that aren’t interested in changing we can direct them to this website. Apparently they’ll help you transition out of the work and into being a regular tax paying civilian workertransition.weebly.com/Wow is that for real!! That is fabulous! I have often wondered how the older workers that might need to leave the work would feel trapped because they had no where to go, no money, in some cases no work skills or training. I stumbled on it the other day. I was wondering how many suites they had? They might need a few extra with the current rate of things. Pretty awesome tho.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 25, 2023 17:16:36 GMT -5
And maybe for the workers that aren’t interested in changing we can direct them to this website. Apparently they’ll help you transition out of the work and into being a regular tax paying civilian workertransition.weebly.com/Wow is that for real!! That is fabulous! I have often wondered how the older workers that might need to leave the work would feel trapped because they had no where to go, no money, in some cases no work skills or training. Unfortunately I have it on fairly good authority that it's a scam site, why someone would want to scam ex workers is beyond me. I'd be happy to be proved wrong however.
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Post by flower on Apr 25, 2023 17:26:57 GMT -5
Workers need to do more praying and less preying. Try it, you might like it. Appreciate your godly sincere advice for me Curly! But of course I have it all wrong I really need to take heed to: a) Jane who helps me with "I am curious to your thoughts...not just your constant bickering with others."b) The 'sage' Fixit who counsels me with "Constantly referring to people's concerns as "baseless allegations" doesn't make them go away." 🤭😳 (which is 'so valid and correct and true' about this postfrom our beloved curly and others at the same level from chuck, mrbalino, pragmatic , fixit, etc.) Thank you Fixit..🤭 c) Jonathan who advised "Simply state your answers here, in the open. If you're really convicted about them, no amount of criticism will hurt you." Ride the tiger's back and apply your counsel to yourself brother! To something better....Chinese whispers, I have stated my respect and care for you, and that is sincere. I reconfirm that again now. Thank you for posting Rob N's last communication for CA. Whew another worker facing allegations and asked to stand down. Do the right thing! I look the end, the goal, a cleansed ministry which handles all matters relating to CSA in an enlightened correct manner. That is happening, some countries/locations had it in place before the Dean Bruer matter came into public. In others necessary/much needs changes are being implemented. (of course I understand that for some who post here nothing will ever be enough! 🤷♂️, but fortunately they don't matter ) “ but fortunately they don't matter [img class="smile" “ And herein lies the problem. Jesus died for all of us and everyone does matter. Everyone is our neighbour. We (those you profess) have a standard to uphold - God’s standard. We don’t have a ‘I’m better than you’ countenance - we show grace, even when accused. So much trust has been broken by workers in places of power. Please understand that this conduct (manner in which you post) further breaks trust.
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 25, 2023 17:32:40 GMT -5
Wow is that for real!! That is fabulous! I have often wondered how the older workers that might need to leave the work would feel trapped because they had no where to go, no money, in some cases no work skills or training. Unfortunately I have it on fairly good authority that it's a scam site, why someone would want to scam ex workers is beyond me. I'd be happy to be proved wrong however. Oh that’s terrible then.
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Post by mountain on Apr 25, 2023 17:36:09 GMT -5
Hi Deep X 2, I am reminded of the episode when Jesus told his disciples that one of them would betray him. None of them suspected Judas or any other of their brother disciples and were left wondering if it was themselves who would do the deed. Nevertheless, don't get any ideas above your station regarding being the most off your rocker! It would be quite easy to tell who are the mad ones in a church. Just ask them if they believe in virgin birth. An excellent idea my friend. I cannot understand some people who actually believe that virgin cattle and sheep, etc., (why not humans?) can be artificially inseminated, become pregnant and give birth to offspring. Absolute nonsense this virgin birth thing. Impossible!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 25, 2023 17:37:42 GMT -5
It would be quite easy to tell who are the mad ones in a church. Just ask them if they believe in virgin birth. An excellent idea my friend. I cannot understand some people who actually believe that virgin cattle and sheep, etc., (why not humans?) can be artificially inseminated, become pregnant and give birth to offspring. Absolute nonsense this virgin birth thing. Impossible! Gold medal for your gymnastics.
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Post by mountain on Apr 25, 2023 17:40:00 GMT -5
An excellent idea my friend. I cannot understand some people who actually believe that virgin cattle and sheep, etc., (why not humans?) can be artificially inseminated, become pregnant and give birth to offspring. Absolute nonsense this virgin birth thing. Impossible! Gold medal for your gymnastics. Keep in mind they all end up in a stable condition!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 25, 2023 17:53:35 GMT -5
Gold medal for your gymnastics. Keep in mind they all end up in a stable condition! Stable relationshipd do nothing for the animal involved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 18:05:18 GMT -5
Workers need to do more praying and less preying. Try it, you might like it. Appreciate your godly sincere advice for me Curly! But of course I have it all wrong I really need to take heed to: a) Jane who helps me with "I am curious to your thoughts...not just your constant bickering with others."b) The 'sage' Fixit who counsels me with "Constantly referring to people's concerns as "baseless allegations" doesn't make them go away." 🤭😳 (which is 'so valid and correct and true' about this postfrom our beloved curly and others at the same level from chuck, mrbalino, pragmatic , fixit, etc.) Thank you Fixit..🤭 c) Jonathan who advised "Simply state your answers here, in the open. If you're really convicted about them, no amount of criticism will hurt you." Ride the tiger's back and apply your counsel to yourself brother! To something better....Chinese whispers, I have stated my respect and care for you, and that is sincere. I reconfirm that again now. Thank you for posting Rob N's last communication for CA. Whew another worker facing allegations and asked to stand down. Do the right thing! I look the end, the goal, a cleansed ministry which handles all matters relating to CSA in an enlightened correct manner. That is happening, some countries/locations had it in place before the Dean Bruer matter came into public. In others necessary/much needs changes are being implemented. (of course I understand that for some who post here nothing will ever be enough! 🤷♂️, but fortunately they don't matter ) What is the 'enlightened correct manner'? I think if the answer is "report immediately to law enforcement" and it was consistently handled this way, it would be enough for me. Nice to see you back if you are who I think you are! I've not been roasted as a bitter ex member in some time!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 18:09:05 GMT -5
Wow is that for real!! That is fabulous! I have often wondered how the older workers that might need to leave the work would feel trapped because they had no where to go, no money, in some cases no work skills or training. Unfortunately I have it on fairly good authority that it's a scam site, why someone would want to scam ex workers is beyond me. I'd be happy to be proved wrong however. I can second this. Until we hear from a former worker who was actually helped by it, user beware.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 25, 2023 18:14:38 GMT -5
Appreciate your godly sincere advice for me Curly! But of course I have it all wrong I really need to take heed to: a) Jane who helps me with "I am curious to your thoughts...not just your constant bickering with others."b) The 'sage' Fixit who counsels me with "Constantly referring to people's concerns as "baseless allegations" doesn't make them go away." 🤭😳 (which is 'so valid and correct and true' about this postfrom our beloved curly and others at the same level from chuck, mrbalino, pragmatic , fixit, etc.) Thank you Fixit..🤭 c) Jonathan who advised "Simply state your answers here, in the open. If you're really convicted about them, no amount of criticism will hurt you." Ride the tiger's back and apply your counsel to yourself brother! To something better....Chinese whispers, I have stated my respect and care for you, and that is sincere. I reconfirm that again now. Thank you for posting Rob N's last communication for CA. Whew another worker facing allegations and asked to stand down. Do the right thing! I look the end, the goal, a cleansed ministry which handles all matters relating to CSA in an enlightened correct manner. That is happening, some countries/locations had it in place before the Dean Bruer matter came into public. In others necessary/much needs changes are being implemented. (of course I understand that for some who post here nothing will ever be enough! 🤷♂️, but fortunately they don't matter ) “ but fortunately they don't matter [img class="smile" “ And herein lies the problem. Jesus died for all of us and everyone does matter. Everyone is our neighbour. We (those you profess) have a standard to uphold - God’s standard. We don’t have a ‘I’m better than you’ countenance - we show grace, even when accused. So much trust has been broken by workers in places of power. Please understand that this conduct (manner in which you post) further breaks trust. Appreciate your perspective. But it doesn't change the reality and truth of I understand that for some who post here nothing will ever be enough! 🤷♂️.Why? Because the agenda of this small number of TMB posters is to deride, mock, pull down the church fellowship they have come to despise and hate. They are a small prolific( (5-10-20k>) posting minority. The reality? essentially irrelevant static, dismissed by all except by those who are of the same sick sad mindset!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 25, 2023 18:27:06 GMT -5
“ but fortunately they don't matter [img class="smile" “ And herein lies the problem. Jesus died for all of us and everyone does matter. Everyone is our neighbour. We (those you profess) have a standard to uphold - God’s standard. We don’t have a ‘I’m better than you’ countenance - we show grace, even when accused. So much trust has been broken by workers in places of power. Please understand that this conduct (manner in which you post) further breaks trust. Appreciate your perspective. But it doesn't change the reality and truth of I understand that for some who post here nothing will ever be enough! 🤷♂️.Why? Because the agenda of this small number of TMB posters is to deride, mock, pull down the church fellowship they have come to despise and hate. They are a small prolific( (5-10-20k>) posting minority. The reality? essentially irrelevant static, dismissed by all except by those who are of the same sick sad mindset! There's a couple of points worth addressing in your latest post. I don't know of anyone that hates your church or the people in it. Myself included. Secondly, it is your own members that are doing the pulling down, those that prey on sister workers, those that prey on other mens wives, those that prey on children. Those that are violent toweards other people. Those that minimize the acvtions of the above. There are people on here that that will comment on the immorality and criminality in your church. If you don't like that then that's tough for you. But it's not hate. It appears that you and many of your coworkers are afraid of the light.
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Post by flower on Apr 25, 2023 18:54:22 GMT -5
“ but fortunately they don't matter [img class="smile" “ And herein lies the problem. Jesus died for all of us and everyone does matter. Everyone is our neighbour. We (those you profess) have a standard to uphold - God’s standard. We don’t have a ‘I’m better than you’ countenance - we show grace, even when accused. So much trust has been broken by workers in places of power. Please understand that this conduct (manner in which you post) further breaks trust. Appreciate your perspective. But it doesn't change the reality and truth of I understand that for some who post here nothing will ever be enough! 🤷♂️.Why? Because the agenda of this small number of TMB posters is to deride, mock, pull down the church fellowship they have come to despise and hate. They are a small prolific( (5-10-20k>) posting minority. The reality? essentially irrelevant static, dismissed by all except by those who are of the same sick sad mindset! So you mock them back? Please, I beg you to understand that seeing workers have this type of countenance just breaks my/our heart. It is in this manner that other workers and friends have been treated by some workers whether it be about CSA or other matters. We need to be Christlike in all we say and do no matter who we say it to or who we are with. I say these things in love only and to encourage God’s standard. I would encourage it of all posters, but to see a worker post in this way time and time again breaks the trust we put in our workers.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 25, 2023 19:18:07 GMT -5
Appreciate your perspective. But it doesn't change the reality and truth of I understand that for some who post here nothing will ever be enough! 🤷♂️.Why? Because the agenda of this small number of TMB posters is to deride, mock, pull down the church fellowship they have come to despise and hate. They are a small prolific( (5-10-20k>) posting minority. The reality? essentially irrelevant static, dismissed by all except by those who are of the same sick sad mindset! So you mock them back? Please, I beg you to understand that seeing workers have this type of countenance just breaks my/our heart. It is in this manner that other workers and friends have been treated by workers whether it be about CSA or other matters. We need to be Christlike in all we say and do no matter who we say it to or who we are with. I say these things in love only and to encourage God’s standard. I would encourage it of all posters, but to see a worker post in this way time and time again breaks the trust we put in our workers. Call it 'mock' if that is how you understand it. Also please don't label the ministry as whole by the experience of a few. It is simply impossible to have meaningful dialogue with this small minority.Do acknowledge the experience of so many workers and friends who interact with each others in a right and Christlike manner? That of course does not preclude the reality that this does not/has not always happened.
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Post by neighbour on Apr 25, 2023 19:23:01 GMT -5
Appreciate your perspective. But it doesn't change the reality and truth of I understand that for some who post here nothing will ever be enough! 🤷♂️.Why? Because the agenda of this small number of TMB posters is to deride, mock, pull down the church fellowship they have come to despise and hate. They are a small prolific( (5-10-20k>) posting minority. The reality? essentially irrelevant static, dismissed by all except by those who are of the same sick sad mindset! So you mock them back? Please, I beg you to understand that seeing workers have this type of countenance just breaks my/our heart. It is in this manner that other workers and friends have been treated by workers whether it be about CSA or other matters. We need to be Christlike in all we say and do no matter who we say it to or who we are with. I say these things in love only and to encourage God’s standard. I would encourage it of all posters, but to see a worker post in this way time and time again breaks the trust we put in our workers. I tried to explain this perspective as an active "saint" in an earlier post but to no avail. Their lack of self-awareness is so bad I'm still half-convinced they are a troll pretending to be a worker. But hey, nothing surprises me these days. Contrast with jonathan who has the spirit of reconciliation in every post.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 25, 2023 19:28:33 GMT -5
So you mock them back? Please, I beg you to understand that seeing workers have this type of countenance just breaks my/our heart. It is in this manner that other workers and friends have been treated by workers whether it be about CSA or other matters. We need to be Christlike in all we say and do no matter who we say it to or who we are with. I say these things in love only and to encourage God’s standard. I would encourage it of all posters, but to see a worker post in this way time and time again breaks the trust we put in our workers. I tried to explain this perspective as an active "saint" in an earlier post but to no avail. Their lack of self-awareness is so bad I'm still half-convinced they are a troll pretending to be a worker. But hey, nothing surprises me these days. Contrast with jonathan who has the spirit of reconciliation in every post. Ok I'm quite happy for you and unwatched to discontinue any further dialogue with me and direct your concerns to Jonathan! I'll be interested to see how he copes with the posters that I refer to.... and for how long! If them posting their poison and falsehood unchallenged is ok for Jonathan he will get on fine with them btw you two come across as decent good people
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Post by flower on Apr 25, 2023 19:37:55 GMT -5
So you mock them back? Please, I beg you to understand that seeing workers have this type of countenance just breaks my/our heart. It is in this manner that other workers and friends have been treated by workers whether it be about CSA or other matters. We need to be Christlike in all we say and do no matter who we say it to or who we are with. I say these things in love only and to encourage God’s standard. I would encourage it of all posters, but to see a worker post in this way time and time again breaks the trust we put in our workers. I tried to explain this perspective as an active "saint" in an earlier post but to no avail. Their lack of self-awareness is so bad I'm still half-convinced they are a troll pretending to be a worker. But hey, nothing surprises me these days. Contrast with jonathan who has the spirit of reconciliation in every post. I know, I saw your post and appreciated it. I replied to it but deleted it without posting. I prayed about it and for them some more first.
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 25, 2023 19:57:49 GMT -5
Appreciate your perspective. But it doesn't change the reality and truth of I understand that for some who post here nothing will ever be enough! 🤷♂️.Why? Because the agenda of this small number of TMB posters is to deride, mock, pull down the church fellowship they have come to despise and hate. They are a small prolific( (5-10-20k>) posting minority. The reality? essentially irrelevant static, dismissed by all except by those who are of the same sick sad mindset! So you mock them back? Please, I beg you to understand that seeing workers have this type of countenance just breaks my/our heart. It is in this manner that other workers and friends have been treated by workers whether it be about CSA or other matters. We need to be Christlike in all we say and do no matter who we say it to or who we are with. I say these things in love only and to encourage God’s standard. I would encourage it of all posters, but to see a worker post in this way time and time again breaks the trust we put in our workers. Unfortunately, this worker is actually a Troll. If we've learnt anything this past month, there are a lot of trolls in the ministry. It is very sad and disheartening. What's even more wild, is InternationalStudies is probably staying in someone's home, being very kind and courteous, holier than thou... until he sneaks away to his room to troll TMB.
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