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Post by snow on Sept 25, 2022 13:01:35 GMT -5
I still don't see how the church could hurt someone? Maybe it consumed you and when you quit, you became an aimless empty vessel. You then wandered into things that were the polar opposite. If you can't understand how the Truth hurt you or why your convinced that it affected you so adversely, perhaps a closer inward examination would reveal that it was never the church in the first place? I'm just speculating of course, but I suspect you may have blamed any church that you might have been affiliated with for every negative thought? Why would a friendly and loving fellowship make you unhappy? Maybe you became overwhelmed because you put too much pressure on yourself and never felt good enough? I don't have the answers, but your overt reaction in assigning blame for all your past anguish seems misdirected.
People don't like it and leave for various reasons, but why harbor hostility towards something they're no longer involved with? Many people grew-up with alcoholic parents, suffered physical abuse, were unloved, mistreated, etc. So listening to the whiners crying in their beers because they had to wear a long skirt, couldn't watch TV, or go bowling, just seems trivial in comparison to people who've actually experienced genuine hardships.. jmo
The not watching TV bowling etc. is trivial in and of itself. But that's not really the whole picture. You can't get that whole picture unless you grew up in the group I don't think. It was very pervasive and for some it did a lot of damage to their psyche. I think it was different for each individual, but I also believe that who we had for parents and how rigid they were made a difference in our experiences also. Some parents were total fanatics that ruled with a very strict mindset. The indoctrination that went on in the meetings also went on 24/7 at home with parents like these. My parents were very strict, my father especially. I was told by people later in life that knew how I was raised that my father was not like the normal experience. I know that was true because I knew kids in the truth that had a lot more freedom than I did. I have always been strong minded about things I guess so I didn't experience as much damage to my psyche from it. But I didn't come away unscathed. I still cringe when I am in a restaurant and see a child that's been acting up and being grabbed and carried out screaming 'no daddy no please don't please don't'. I literally go back to when I was very small in meeting and not being able to sit still and being taken out and spanked. No one cared, no one stopped him. I understand that was the times as I am old now, but it's just one example of what can remain with you for all your life. I was told often once I quit professing at 12 that I was going to hell. Quite literally those words. When I asked the workers questions, and I did it a lot, I had one female worker finally get frustrated with me and called me the spawn of the devil. I was wanting her to explain how God could have ordered the Hebrews to kill all the Amalekites. Not just the warriors, but women, children and all their animals. I wanted to understand and of course such a thing can't be explained. She woke me up. I realized then that I couldn't worship that kind of a God even though I believed he existed and he was going to send me to hell. That also is very frightening for a kid to believe whole heartedly. So it's not just that we couldn't have a normal childhood. I was athletic and loved sports which I wasn't allow to play. It was the whole picture. I totally get how some people are very messed up from their experience. I just happened to be a person that decided to let as much of it go as possible. But I do still regret that my childhood was so restricted. Just because growing up with alcoholic parents is terrible for kids, doesn't make it any better for kids to grow up with addicted religious fanatics. Both sets of children have issues in life and they do talk about it. You call their pain whining. I think that is sooo not the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 13:34:17 GMT -5
I still don't see how the church could hurt someone? Maybe it consumed you and when you quit, you became an aimless empty vessel. You then wandered into things that were the polar opposite. If you can't understand how the Truth hurt you or why your convinced that it affected you so adversely, perhaps a closer inward examination would reveal that it was never the church in the first place? I'm just speculating of course, but I suspect you may have blamed any church that you might have been affiliated with for every negative thought? Why would a friendly and loving fellowship make you unhappy? Maybe you became overwhelmed because you put too much pressure on yourself and never felt good enough? I don't have the answers, but your overt reaction in assigning blame for all your past anguish seems misdirected.
People don't like it and leave for various reasons, but why harbor hostility towards something they're no longer involved with? Many people grew-up with alcoholic parents, suffered physical abuse, were unloved, mistreated, etc. So listening to the whiners crying in their beers because they had to wear a long skirt, couldn't watch TV, or go bowling, just seems trivial in comparison to people who've actually experienced genuine hardships.. jmo
The not watching TV bowling etc. is trivial in and of itself. But that's not really the whole picture. You can't get that whole picture unless you grew up in the group I don't think. It was very pervasive and for some it did a lot of damage to their psyche. I think it was different for each individual, but I also believe that who we had for parents and how rigid they were made a difference in our experiences also. Some parents were total fanatics that ruled with a very strict mindset. The indoctrination that went on in the meetings also went on 24/7 at home with parents like these. My parents were very strict, my father especially. I was told by people later in life that knew how I was raised that my father was not like the normal experience. I know that was true because I knew kids in the truth that had a lot more freedom than I did. I have always been strong minded about things I guess so I didn't experience as much damage to my psyche from it. But I didn't come away unscathed. I still cringe when I am in a restaurant and see a child that's been acting up and being grabbed and carried out screaming 'no daddy no please don't please don't'. I literally go back to when I was very small in meeting and not being able to sit still and being taken out and spanked. No one cared, no one stopped him. I understand that was the times as I am old now, but it's just one example of what can remain with you for all your life. I was told often once I quit professing at 12 that I was going to hell. Quite literally those words. When I asked the workers questions, and I did it a lot, I had one female worker finally get frustrated with me and called me the spawn of the devil. I was wanting her to explain how God could have ordered the Hebrews to kill all the Amalekites. Not just the warriors, but women, children and all their animals. I wanted to understand and of course such a thing can't be explained. She woke me up. I realized then that I couldn't worship that kind of a God even though I believed he existed and he was going to send me to hell. That also is very frightening for a kid to believe whole heartedly. So it's not just that we couldn't have a normal childhood. I was athletic and loved sports which I wasn't allow to play. It was the whole picture. I totally get how some people are very messed up from their experience. I just happened to be a person that decided to let as much of it go as possible. But I do still regret that my childhood was so restricted. Just because growing up with alcoholic parents is terrible for kids, doesn't make it any better for kids to grow up with addicted religious fanatics. Both sets of children have issues in life and they do talk about it. You call their pain whining. I think that is sooo not the case. Let me help you on the Amalekites. They attacked Israel first as they came out of Egypt if they had succeeded Israel would have been killed off or put back into slavery. The just punishment was the ending of all of the Amalekites people. |
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Post by snow on Sept 25, 2022 14:13:58 GMT -5
The not watching TV bowling etc. is trivial in and of itself. But that's not really the whole picture. You can't get that whole picture unless you grew up in the group I don't think. It was very pervasive and for some it did a lot of damage to their psyche. I think it was different for each individual, but I also believe that who we had for parents and how rigid they were made a difference in our experiences also. Some parents were total fanatics that ruled with a very strict mindset. The indoctrination that went on in the meetings also went on 24/7 at home with parents like these. My parents were very strict, my father especially. I was told by people later in life that knew how I was raised that my father was not like the normal experience. I know that was true because I knew kids in the truth that had a lot more freedom than I did. I have always been strong minded about things I guess so I didn't experience as much damage to my psyche from it. But I didn't come away unscathed. I still cringe when I am in a restaurant and see a child that's been acting up and being grabbed and carried out screaming 'no daddy no please don't please don't'. I literally go back to when I was very small in meeting and not being able to sit still and being taken out and spanked. No one cared, no one stopped him. I understand that was the times as I am old now, but it's just one example of what can remain with you for all your life. I was told often once I quit professing at 12 that I was going to hell. Quite literally those words. When I asked the workers questions, and I did it a lot, I had one female worker finally get frustrated with me and called me the spawn of the devil. I was wanting her to explain how God could have ordered the Hebrews to kill all the Amalekites. Not just the warriors, but women, children and all their animals. I wanted to understand and of course such a thing can't be explained. She woke me up. I realized then that I couldn't worship that kind of a God even though I believed he existed and he was going to send me to hell. That also is very frightening for a kid to believe whole heartedly. So it's not just that we couldn't have a normal childhood. I was athletic and loved sports which I wasn't allow to play. It was the whole picture. I totally get how some people are very messed up from their experience. I just happened to be a person that decided to let as much of it go as possible. But I do still regret that my childhood was so restricted. Just because growing up with alcoholic parents is terrible for kids, doesn't make it any better for kids to grow up with addicted religious fanatics. Both sets of children have issues in life and they do talk about it. You call their pain whining. I think that is sooo not the case. Let me help you on the Amalekites. They attacked Israel first as the came out of Egypt if they had succeeded Israel would have been killed off or put back into slavery. The just punishment was the ending of all of the Amalekites people. Lots of countries war. Genocide is never an acceptable outcome. Never. There is absolutely no evidence that if the Amalekites survived that they would do exactly what the Hebrews did. Genocide of the Hebrew people. It was only an attempt at justifying a completely horrific outcome if it actually happened. Obviously they never did kill all the Amalekites and it's just a symbolism for the Jews of anyone that is anti sematic. Nazis for example were considered the ancestors of Amalekites. For that to be true, some obviously survived. But to keep on topic of how it affected me, I thought it actually happened and a God actually ordered it. That was horrific in my kid brain. Here is a link to a good abstract into the subject. www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/8/9/196/htm |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 25, 2022 14:16:09 GMT -5
Let me help you on the Amalekites. They attacked Israel first as the came out of Egypt if they had succeeded Israel would have been killed off or put back into slavery. The just punishment was the ending of all of the Amalekites people. Lots of countries war. Genocide is never an acceptable outcome. Never. There is absolutely no evidence that if the Amalekites survived that they would do exactly what the Hebrews did. Genocide of the Hebrew people. It was only an attempt at justifying a completely horrific outcome if it actually happened. Obviously they never did kill all the Amalekites and it's just a symbolism for the Jews of anyone that is anti sematic. Nazis for example were considered the ancestors of Amalekites. For that to be true, some obviously survived. Here is a link to a good abstract into the subject. www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/8/9/196/htmSo much of the bible reminds me of the boy telling the teacher; "he hit me first" |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 14:39:23 GMT -5
Let me help you on the Amalekites. They attacked Israel first as the came out of Egypt if they had succeeded Israel would have been killed off or put back into slavery. The just punishment was the ending of all of the Amalekites people. Lots of countries war. Genocide is never an acceptable outcome. Never. There is absolutely no evidence that if the Amalekites survived that they would do exactly what the Hebrews did. Genocide of the Hebrew people. It was only an attempt at justifying a completely horrific outcome if it actually happened. Obviously they never did kill all the Amalekites and it's just a symbolism for the Jews of anyone that is anti sematic. Nazis for example were considered the ancestors of Amalekites. For that to be true, some obviously survived. But to keep on topic of how it affected me, I thought it actually happened and a God actually ordered it. That was horrific in my kid brain. Here is a link to a good abstract into the subject. www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/8/9/196/htmGod promised he would take care of them and he reserves the right to take vengeance for his people. It was a just killing. King David destroyed the remainder of them in his time except for a couple hundred or so. NAZI's are NOT Semites sounds like myth to me.. |
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Post by snow on Sept 25, 2022 14:47:24 GMT -5
Lots of countries war. Genocide is never an acceptable outcome. Never. There is absolutely no evidence that if the Amalekites survived that they would do exactly what the Hebrews did. Genocide of the Hebrew people. It was only an attempt at justifying a completely horrific outcome if it actually happened. Obviously they never did kill all the Amalekites and it's just a symbolism for the Jews of anyone that is anti sematic. Nazis for example were considered the ancestors of Amalekites. For that to be true, some obviously survived. But to keep on topic of how it affected me, I thought it actually happened and a God actually ordered it. That was horrific in my kid brain. Here is a link to a good abstract into the subject. www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/8/9/196/htmGod promised he would take care of them and he reserves the right to take vengeance for his people. It was a just killing. King David destroyed the remainder of them in his time except for a couple hundred or so. NAZI's are NOT Semites sounds like myth to me.. It didn't say that Nazi's were not semites. If you read the abstract it said that Jews consider the Nazi's to be the ancestors of the Amelekites and that they were anti-Semites. You say God had the right. Okay, let's pretend he did have the right. That doesn't make it any better. It's still horrific and immoral to commit genocide. And, he did it with the alleged flood story too. These are just stories. The God in these stories is horrific. |
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Post by openingact34 on Sept 25, 2022 14:53:35 GMT -5
It would have been interesting if fixit had been around to quote some hymns to the little children as they watched God's men hack up their tiny brothers and sisters.
"For the love of God is broader than the measure of man's mind. And the heart of the Eternal is most wonderfully kind"
Fred Faber may have been told in a trembling little voice where he could shove his fountain pen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 14:56:46 GMT -5
God promised he would take care of them and he reserves the right to take vengeance for his people. It was a just killing. King David destroyed the remainder of them in his time except for a couple hundred or so. NAZI's are NOT Semites sounds like myth to me.. It didn't say that Nazi's were not semites. If you read the abstract it said that Jews consider the Nazi's to be the ancestors of the Amelekites and that they were anti-Semites. You say God had the right. Okay, let's pretend he did have the right. That doesn't make it any better. It's still horrific and immoral to commit genocide. And, he did it with the alleged flood story too. These are just stories. The God in these stories is horrific. After reading the article I got a clear sense that the Jews believe most of their enemies are considered Amalekites but that is in the spiritual sense not genetically. Chaka Zulu said it best "leave no enemy behind" God appears to want that concerning enemies of Israel especially the Amalekites. It was a just killing. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 25, 2022 15:00:21 GMT -5
God promised he would take care of them and he reserves the right to take vengeance for his people. It was a just killing. King David destroyed the remainder of them in his time except for a couple hundred or so. NAZI's are NOT Semites sounds like myth to me.. It didn't say that Nazi's were not semites. If you read the abstract it said that Jews consider the Nazi's to be the ancestors of the Amelekites and that they were anti-Semites. You say God had the right. Okay, let's pretend he did have the right. That doesn't make it any better. It's still horrific and immoral to commit genocide. And, he did it with the alleged flood story too. These are just stories. The God in these stories is horrific. Take heart Snow. Gods are always made in the image of man. Wallies god is made in his image. |
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Post by snow on Sept 25, 2022 15:13:29 GMT -5
It didn't say that Nazi's were not semites. If you read the abstract it said that Jews consider the Nazi's to be the ancestors of the Amelekites and that they were anti-Semites. You say God had the right. Okay, let's pretend he did have the right. That doesn't make it any better. It's still horrific and immoral to commit genocide. And, he did it with the alleged flood story too. These are just stories. The God in these stories is horrific. After reading the article I got a clear sense that the Jews believe most of their enemies are considered Amalekites but that is in the spiritual sense not genetically. Chaka Zulu said it best "leave no enemy behind" God appears to want that concerning enemies of Israel especially the Amalekites. It was a just killing. Yes that was definitely part of it. Enemies in a symbolic sense. I have a hard time viewing a genocide as just. In fact, I can't seem to do it at all. |
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Post by snow on Sept 25, 2022 15:19:26 GMT -5
It didn't say that Nazi's were not semites. If you read the abstract it said that Jews consider the Nazi's to be the ancestors of the Amelekites and that they were anti-Semites. You say God had the right. Okay, let's pretend he did have the right. That doesn't make it any better. It's still horrific and immoral to commit genocide. And, he did it with the alleged flood story too. These are just stories. The God in these stories is horrific. Take heart Snow. Gods are always made in the image of man. Wallies god is made in his image. While I agree that all gods are manmade, I don't see the people who have decided to believe in these gods as evil as the gods they believe in. I know many very wonderful people that believe in Wally's horrific god. I have no reason to believe that Wally could ever be as horrific as the god he worships. I do think it's very unfortunate that so many people have fallen for the belief that if they don't believe in that god and justify everything that god has done, then they will end up in an eternity of torture. That makes me so incredibly sad. No one should have to live with that. No matter how much they claim that he is a god of love there is always that underlying knowledge that he can also be nasty. When he is nasty, then it has to be claimed it is a righteous just deed. They make excuses for god that they would never do with any person. And, people are supposed to be imperfect vs perfect which this god claims to be. If a mere human can look at these deeds as horrific and immoral, it doesn't say much good about a god that commits these deeds imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 15:32:12 GMT -5
It didn't say that Nazi's were not semites. If you read the abstract it said that Jews consider the Nazi's to be the ancestors of the Amelekites and that they were anti-Semites. You say God had the right. Okay, let's pretend he did have the right. That doesn't make it any better. It's still horrific and immoral to commit genocide. And, he did it with the alleged flood story too. These are just stories. The God in these stories is horrific. Take heart Snow. Gods are always made in the image of man. Wallies god is made in his image. Sorry, God has been around way longer than me and anyone I have ever heard of or known, I didn't make him up... |
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Post by help on Sept 25, 2022 16:09:46 GMT -5
Putin thinks that God wants him to wipe out the people of Ukraine, he has the blessing of the Church in so doing. The Western World is not blaming God, but the evil one, Putin. He has done it because of the wrong thoughts in his own mind, justifying genocide. And of course he is threatening to go beyond that and use nuclear to achieve his sinister beliefs. As Snow says genocide can never be justified in any way, shape or form.
If there is a God and God did create people, then all people are God's people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 16:15:58 GMT -5
Putin thinks that God wants him to wipe out the people of Ukraine, he has the blessing of the Church in so doing. The Western World is not blaming God, but the evil one, Putin. He has done it because of the wrong thoughts in his own mind, justifying genocide. And of course he is threatening to go beyond that and use nuclear to achieve his sinister beliefs. As Snow says genocide can never be justified in any way, shape or form. God is just and has the prerogative to do what he wants with his creation. |
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Post by help on Sept 25, 2022 16:32:10 GMT -5
The problem being, we are not sure if there is a God, it may just be a figment of Human imagination. As an Agnostic, I am not prepared to come to any conclusion as to whether there is, or there isn't.
But if there is a God then we are all God's people, God would be crazy to kill anybody. You don't just wantonly destroy your own work.
In no way do I think Putin is doing God's work.
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Post by chuck on Sept 25, 2022 17:00:16 GMT -5
I still don't see how the church could hurt someone? Maybe it consumed you and when you quit, you became an aimless empty vessel. You then wandered into things that were the polar opposite. If you can't understand how the Truth hurt you or why your convinced that it affected you so adversely, perhaps a closer inward examination would reveal that it was never the church in the first place? I'm just speculating of course, but I suspect you may have blamed any church that you might have been affiliated with for every negative thought? Why would a friendly and loving fellowship make you unhappy? Maybe you became overwhelmed because you put too much pressure on yourself and never felt good enough? I don't have the answers, but your overt reaction in assigning blame for all your past anguish seems misdirected.
People don't like it and leave for various reasons, but why harbor hostility towards something they're no longer involved with? Many people grew-up with alcoholic parents, suffered physical abuse, were unloved, mistreated, etc. So listening to the whiners crying in their beers because they had to wear a long skirt, couldn't watch TV, or go bowling, just seems trivial in comparison to people who've actually experienced genuine hardships.. jmo
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Post by help on Sept 25, 2022 17:32:43 GMT -5
Those who were never B&R 2x2's would never understand the mental damage that was caused to children. 70 years ago the needless 2x2 rules were enforced. Anyone who stepped out of line would soon receive a Worker visit. Those days everybody went to Church on Sundays. As children we could not understand why our school mates were able to live a different lifestyle to us, allowed pictures, sport, dancing etc. We wanted our Church to treat us in the same way.
When I was about 10, I rather liked a girl in our class, from a good Methodist family. I used to buy lollies and share them with her. It was puppy love. At Christmas I had saved up my pocket money, and bought a box of pretty handkerchiefs. I gave it to her with a card, saying I loved her, thinking it was the right thing to do. Her Mother found it, gave it back to my Mum, saying that I was not to have anything to do with her Daughter. That separation was very hard for a 10 year to understand and a form of torment. Not good for the mind and some become damaged for life. As Snow said some of us were strong minded, were able to shrug it off, get on with our lives when we were old enough to choose for ourselves and no longer under the control of our Parents. We forgive, but we don't forget.
But you do feel sorry for those who did not have the same fortitude and sustained mental damage. It was a form of mental abuse. And the irony of it is that the rules that we were subjected to are gone. Someone had the good sense to see that they were unjust. The Church is there for Spiritual teaching and guidance, not to tell you how to live your daily life. That is your responsibility alone.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 25, 2022 17:43:54 GMT -5
Yes, I get that now... There's nothing free about something your born into. But even if your born in the USA, your free to love it or leave it. I reckon you can't do that until your an adult though, and all the podcast complaints are about being denied a worldly childhood. Feelings of guilt and separation also enter the picture of course. I didn't experience that, but I can relate to some of it, even though the anger seems excessive. I don't attribute it to psychological abuse, just people who didn't appreciate the type of life that they were born into.
Considering that we agree on the uniqueness of positions for those who were born and raised in the 2x2's, I do agree with you that there are people who would have the same rhetoric about their life no matter where they found themselves. My experience is that, in a forum like this, we only hear from the ones who have a fetish for attention because of their "abuse". The questionable upside of that situation is those who are fanatic in their siege mentality about a persistent abuse and deceit of the evil world outside their tiny cell of comfortable faith. This forum is convenient for some of them. But I know a few damaged souls who could never handle a forum such as this. Intelligent, very well educated, and very accomplished individuals who have been so seriously abused, emotionally and physically, and betrayed and banished that we will never hear from them. I expect they are rarity, but the sad truth remains that some very responsible 2x2 people in influential places know they are personally responsible for the plight of these banished "evil doers". I am not one of them, but I will tell you that I reached the place where I would not meet privately with workers without legal counsel -- or a meeting elder without a recording device. I'm fortunate, because I've had plenty training and experience in dealing with contentious and legally challenging situations that I don't become rattled and confused in browbeating and strong-arm situations. I'm proud of the ones on here who can openly and analytically discuss their experiences. It's healthy and therapeutic for them -- somewhat like the therapy needed by those aggrieved by the loss of a very dearly loved one. It's like a betrayal of the gift of one's life. |
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Post by chuck on Sept 25, 2022 17:48:25 GMT -5
Hyper emphasis of physical state over the spiritual state. General diminishing of critical thinking abilities, increasing level of meaningless distractions. Ontological abyss of western media and corporate culture. Today they don’t know the difference between men and women. I think the divide and dissonance between so called mainstream media and alternative media will continue. Also, the deep state will wear out the word “conspiracy”, in its effort to conceal its existence and influence. It will pivot increasingly to an open plot and government. People who have avoided critical thinking and awareness of the prevalence of dis and misinformation as a political and personal tool for power and gain, will find the reality threatening. I could argue your lack of ability to critically think, which makes the rest of your post potentially lacking in critical thought which then raises the question is your statement that we are entering a epistemological crisis founded with critical thought........... |
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Post by verna on Sept 25, 2022 18:02:22 GMT -5
I still don't see how the church could hurt someone? Maybe it consumed you and when you quit, you became an aimless empty vessel. You then wandered into things that were the polar opposite. If you can't understand how the Truth hurt you or why your convinced that it affected you so adversely, perhaps a closer inward examination would reveal that it was never the church in the first place? I'm just speculating of course, but I suspect you may have blamed any church that you might have been affiliated with for every negative thought? Why would a friendly and loving fellowship make you unhappy? Maybe you became overwhelmed because you put too much pressure on yourself and never felt good enough? I don't have the answers, but your overt reaction in assigning blame for all your past anguish seems misdirected.
People don't like it and leave for various reasons, but why harbor hostility towards something they're no longer involved with? Many people grew-up with alcoholic parents, suffered physical abuse, were unloved, mistreated, etc. So listening to the whiners crying in their beers because they had to wear a long skirt, couldn't watch TV, or go bowling, just seems trivial in comparison to people who've actually experienced genuine hardships.. jmo
Dan I have tried my best to help you to understand but basically I have failed. I have just got myself numbered among the whiners. Yes I have examined myself and my experience for over 40 years so am not expecting any major revelations. So I will try some sarcasm and see how that works. I don’t know what the big deal is about CSA. After all she had loving parents. It’s not a big deal. She should stop her whining. Get it? Just because you don’t understand spiritual abuse doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 18:29:04 GMT -5
The problem being, we are not sure if there is a God, it may just be a figment of Human imagination. As an Agnostic, I am not prepared to come to any conclusion as to whether there is, or there isn't. But if there is a God then we are all God's people, God would be crazy to kill anybody. You don't just wantonly destroy your own work. In no way do I think Putin is doing God's work. It's not wantonly. It's God meting out justice over his creation. You unbelievers may not believe in God but more than a few do.... |
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Post by help on Sept 25, 2022 18:41:47 GMT -5
Sorry, does not make sense to me, more a Human idea IMO. And some people approve of it, provided it is not in their back yard. They have the misguided idea that they are the chosen ones.
It would be much better if everybody was guided by moral ethics, instead of religious beliefs, and saw killing as abhorrent and not justified.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 25, 2022 21:44:09 GMT -5
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 25, 2022 21:59:19 GMT -5
I still don't see how the church could hurt someone? Maybe it consumed you and when you quit, you became an aimless empty vessel. You then wandered into things that were the polar opposite. If you can't understand how the Truth hurt you or why your convinced that it affected you so adversely, perhaps a closer inward examination would reveal that it was never the church in the first place? I'm just speculating of course, but I suspect you may have blamed any church that you might have been affiliated with for every negative thought? Why would a friendly and loving fellowship make you unhappy? Maybe you became overwhelmed because you put too much pressure on yourself and never felt good enough? I don't have the answers, but your overt reaction in assigning blame for all your past anguish seems misdirected.
People don't like it and leave for various reasons, but why harbor hostility towards something they're no longer involved with? Many people grew-up with alcoholic parents, suffered physical abuse, were unloved, mistreated, etc. So listening to the whiners crying in their beers because they had to wear a long skirt, couldn't watch TV, or go bowling, just seems trivial in comparison to people who've actually experienced genuine hardships.. jmo
Dan I have tried my best to help you to understand but basically I have failed. I have just got myself numbered among the whiners. Yes I have examined myself and my experience for over 40 years so am not expecting any major revelations. So I will try some sarcasm and see how that works. I don’t know what the big deal is about CSA. After all she had loving parents. It’s not a big deal. She should stop her whining. Get it? Just because you don’t understand spiritual abuse doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Exactly verna, considering both @wally and Dan were not born and raised in the 2x2s explains a lot imo. Some of us did not get a choice in being part of the 2x2s, with 4 generations of indoctrination passed down it was not as easy as "just leave". Also some males don't understand how much harder it was growing up as a female who was made to dress and look a certain way. You only have to look at the difference between the dress of the male and female Workers to see who stands out as "odd". Once you learn the whole thing is based on a lie and see the abuse that has gone on and been covered up for years you see why people can become bitter. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 22:08:47 GMT -5
You are saying Dimitri Tsafendas was one of the friends? From the article we can gather he was a Communist, Christian of some kind(2x2?), anti-apartheid, Rabble rouser, anti-racist, and mentally disturbed. Of all those activities Christian(2x2?) seems the least likely influence that caused him to murder the PM. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 25, 2022 22:19:18 GMT -5
You are saying Dimitri Tsafendas was one of the friends? From the article we can gather he was a Communist, Christian of some kind(2x2?), anti-apartheid, Rabble rouser, anti-racist, and mentally disturbed. Of all those activities Christian(2x2?) seems the least likely influence that caused him to murder the PM. So? You never met a lunatic 2x2 before? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 22:22:18 GMT -5
Dan I have tried my best to help you to understand but basically I have failed. I have just got myself numbered among the whiners. Yes I have examined myself and my experience for over 40 years so am not expecting any major revelations. So I will try some sarcasm and see how that works. I don’t know what the big deal is about CSA. After all she had loving parents. It’s not a big deal. She should stop her whining. Get it? Just because you don’t understand spiritual abuse doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Exactly verna , considering both @wally and Dan were not born and raised in the 2x2s explains a lot imo. Some of us did not get a choice in being part of the 2x2s, with 4 generations of indoctrination passed down it was not as easy as "just leave". Also some males don't understand how much harder it was growing up as a female who was made to dress and look a certain way. You only have to look at the difference between the dress of the male and female Workers to see who stands out as "odd". Once you learn the whole thing is based on a lie and see the abuse that has gone on and been covered up for years you see why people can become bitter. I'm the 4th generation of professing people in my family, even though I was basically raised as an atheist till 11. Once I joined at 14 and my mom and sister joined a year later, ALL the 2x2/family rules were dumped in my lap all at once and I was expected to follow them. Confusing and more than a ton of weight on my shoulders to say the least. Your "Indoctrination" wasn't any worse than anyone else's that joined the 2x2's. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 22:23:29 GMT -5
You are saying Dimitri Tsafendas was one of the friends? From the article we can gather he was a Communist, Christian of some kind(2x2?), anti-apartheid, Rabble rouser, anti-racist, and mentally disturbed. Of all those activities Christian(2x2?) seems the least likely influence that caused him to murder the PM. So? You never met a lunatic 2x2 before? Only after they get put in an old folks home... |
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