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Post by intelchips on Sept 21, 2022 19:24:02 GMT -5
Listening to some of these podcasts something came up that made me wonder something. Did everyone that grew up in the F&W's at some point in their life believe that they had a calling to go into the work? I know I considered it and it sounds like a few of these podcasters also thought they did at some point in their life before they left. So I'd be interested in knowing how many of us went through that phase? In my later teens it frequently occurred to me that I should maybe go in the work. One thing that bothered me was all the "testimony" of workers who claimed that they had to fight the calling before they actually decided to go in the work. But I really believed that I wasn't fit to be a worker because I could never consent to pushing and enforcing so many of their silly/rigid rules. And frankly, I didn't know of any older brother workers that I would want to live with. Being appointed alternate meeting elder in my late 40's was nightmare enough, so I didn't waste either my or the workers' time with me being in the work. Bob, after reading this post my mind wondered to thoughts of how you could represent the Truth when the Truth stands for nothing like the Truth. I remember in Oklahoma when the most profound show of support for the truth was after purchasing a new automobile was the act of snaping off the antenna. This single act showed reenforcement to never listen to, nor read, or watch the media. The only reading material was the bible else wise one was lost. |
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Post by help on Sept 21, 2022 20:03:05 GMT -5
When I had a rush of blood to the head I did offer. I had spent 6 weeks living with the Workers preparing a new Convention ground. I did enjoy it, I had a good time. A few days before the Convention the Overseer arrived, Willie Donaldson. He was walking across to the meeting shed, I rushed up and said, "I word like to go into the work". He was not filled with enthusiasm, maybe had read my report, just told me to pray about it and wait for the call. The phone never rang and I tend to be impatient. Then one warm Wednesday night in Summer, the girl who became my Wife came breezing in, wearing a flowing blue summer dress. Strictly 2x2 compliant, below the knee, bosom and top of arms covered. She sat opposite me and those gorgeous legs caused a different rush of blood, my life changed. She was a Nurse and on days off would visit my Mother, they got on well. One lunchtime I came home from work, she was there, I bailed her up in the back yard, kissed her and said,"I am going to make you mine". I never gave her an option, just swept her off her feet.
So next day I wrote to Willie, told him I was withdrawing my offer, had found a lovely girl, getting married instead. It would have been relief all around, there is no way I would have lasted. Have never ever regretted that instant decision. That girl became a wonderful Lady, who I deeply love and thank her for the 63 years as my soul mate.
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Post by verna on Sept 21, 2022 20:06:25 GMT -5
When I had a rush of blood to the head I did offer. I had spent 6 weeks living with the Workers preparing a new Convention ground. I did enjoy it, I had a good time. A few days before the Convention the Overseer arrived, Willie Donaldson. He was walking across to the meeting shed, I rushed up and said, "I word like to go into the work". He was not filled with enthusiasm, maybe had read my report, just told me to pray about it and wait for the call. The phone never rang and I tend to be impatient. Then one warm Wednesday night in Summer, the girl who became my Wife came breezing in, wearing a flowing blue summer dress. Strictly 2x2 compliant, below the knee, bosom and top of arms covered. She sat opposite me and those gorgeous legs caused a different rush of blood, my life changed. She was a Nurse and on days off would visit my Mother, they got on well. One lunchtime I came home from work, she was there, I bailed up in the back yard, kissed her and said,'I am going to make you mine". I never gave her an option, just swept her off her feet. So next day I wrote to Willie, told him I was withdrawing my offer, had found a lovely girl, getting married instead. It would have been relief all around, there is no way I would have lasted. Have never ever regretted that instant decision. That girl became a wonderful Lady, who I deeply love and thank her for the 63 years as my soul mate. Such a lovely story! |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 21, 2022 20:45:02 GMT -5
When I had a rush of blood to the head I did offer. I had spent 6 weeks living with the Workers preparing a new Convention ground. I did enjoy it, I had a good time. A few days before the Convention the Overseer arrived, Willie Donaldson. He was walking across to the meeting shed, I rushed up and said, "I word like to go into the work". He was not filled with enthusiasm, maybe had read my report, just told me to pray about it and wait for the call. The phone never rang and I tend to be impatient. Then one warm Wednesday night in Summer, the girl who became my Wife came breezing in, wearing a flowing blue summer dress. Strictly 2x2 compliant, below the knee, bosom and top of arms covered. She sat opposite me and those gorgeous legs caused a different rush of blood, my life changed. She was a Nurse and on days off would visit my Mother, they got on well. One lunchtime I came home from work, she was there, I bailed up in the back yard, kissed her and said,'I am going to make you mine". I never gave her an option, just swept her off her feet. So next day I wrote to Willie, told him I was withdrawing my offer, had found a lovely girl, getting married instead. It would have been relief all around, there is no way I would have lasted. Have never ever regretted that instant decision. That girl became a wonderful Lady, who I deeply love and thank her for the 63 years as my soul mate. Good for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 23:49:56 GMT -5
When I had a rush of blood to the head I did offer. I had spent 6 weeks living with the Workers preparing a new Convention ground. I did enjoy it, I had a good time. A few days before the Convention the Overseer arrived, Willie Donaldson. He was walking across to the meeting shed, I rushed up and said, "I word like to go into the work". He was not filled with enthusiasm, maybe had read my report, just told me to pray about it and wait for the call. The phone never rang and I tend to be impatient. Then one warm Wednesday night in Summer, the girl who became my Wife came breezing in, wearing a flowing blue summer dress. Strictly 2x2 compliant, below the knee, bosom and top of arms covered. She sat opposite me and those gorgeous legs caused a different rush of blood, my life changed. She was a Nurse and on days off would visit my Mother, they got on well. One lunchtime I came home from work, she was there, I bailed up in the back yard, kissed her and said,"I am going to make you mine". I never gave her an option, just swept her off her feet. So next day I wrote to Willie, told him I was withdrawing my offer, had found a lovely girl, getting married instead. It would have been relief all around, there is no way I would have lasted. Have never ever regretted that instant decision. That girl became a wonderful Lady, who I deeply love and thank her for the 63 years as my soul mate. This made my night - thanks! Wife and I are just past 16 years - I would consider it the best of prizes to be at 63! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2022 0:49:52 GMT -5
Listening to some of these podcasts something came up that made me wonder something. Did everyone that grew up in the F&W's at some point in their life believe that they had a calling to go into the work? I know I considered it and it sounds like a few of these podcasters also thought they did at some point in their life before they left. So I'd be interested in knowing how many of us went through that phase? I wasn't Born and Raised in the Truth, but felt the call around 15/16/17 so I ran from it, then finally offered around 2002. |
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Post by chuck on Sept 22, 2022 2:50:28 GMT -5
Listening to some of these podcasts something came up that made me wonder something. Did everyone that grew up in the F&W's at some point in their life believe that they had a calling to go into the work? I know I considered it and it sounds like a few of these podcasters also thought they did at some point in their life before they left. So I'd be interested in knowing how many of us went through that phase? Never ever had a calling, probably helped my parents didn't deliberately expose or encourage me to think that way when I was most vulnerable. |
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Post by chuck on Sept 22, 2022 2:54:20 GMT -5
Podcast: Fair Bit Going On Episode Title: I Grew Up In A Cult, Feat Nicole Rose Interviewee: Nicole Rose Nationality: New Zealand (South Island) Status: Bitter Ex Well this is embarrassing! This young woman reports on growing up professing. Despite the claims of fixit and others from New Zealand, and it turns out that the Truth is just as legalistic and as much of an abusive guilt trip as growing up anywhere else. I'm VERY interested in how guest8 will try to tear down and discredit this girl. pod.link/1531236855/episode/eb87772748d20c14b6aebf2873b18a4bThis one seems to be the one that I relate to the most. Her reluctance to speak about it with her family because she doesn't want to upset their whole life concept. She knows they pray for her to come back because they feel she is going to hell and that being so hard for her. That was me also. I hated that my parents who I loved very much felt so bad about believing that once they died they would never see me again and that I would be tortured for eternity. Their child who they loved. How horrible is that. It's just so wrong what religions do to families with their beliefs that are so horrific. I agree Snow, but you have to see the flip side, some kids still have a family because their parents belief was the thing that held it together. |
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Post by snow on Sept 22, 2022 12:17:13 GMT -5
When I had a rush of blood to the head I did offer. I had spent 6 weeks living with the Workers preparing a new Convention ground. I did enjoy it, I had a good time. A few days before the Convention the Overseer arrived, Willie Donaldson. He was walking across to the meeting shed, I rushed up and said, "I word like to go into the work". He was not filled with enthusiasm, maybe had read my report, just told me to pray about it and wait for the call. The phone never rang and I tend to be impatient. Then one warm Wednesday night in Summer, the girl who became my Wife came breezing in, wearing a flowing blue summer dress. Strictly 2x2 compliant, below the knee, bosom and top of arms covered. She sat opposite me and those gorgeous legs caused a different rush of blood, my life changed. She was a Nurse and on days off would visit my Mother, they got on well. One lunchtime I came home from work, she was there, I bailed her up in the back yard, kissed her and said,"I am going to make you mine". I never gave her an option, just swept her off her feet. So next day I wrote to Willie, told him I was withdrawing my offer, had found a lovely girl, getting married instead. It would have been relief all around, there is no way I would have lasted. Have never ever regretted that instant decision. That girl became a wonderful Lady, who I deeply love and thank her for the 63 years as my soul mate. I'm glad you went the marriage route. You guys are an inspiration for sure. You still make your relationship into a romance! Love that. |
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Post by snow on Sept 22, 2022 12:18:47 GMT -5
Listening to some of these podcasts something came up that made me wonder something. Did everyone that grew up in the F&W's at some point in their life believe that they had a calling to go into the work? I know I considered it and it sounds like a few of these podcasters also thought they did at some point in their life before they left. So I'd be interested in knowing how many of us went through that phase? I wasn't Born and Raised in the Truth, but felt the call around 15/16/17 so I ran from it, then finally offered around 2002. Thanks Wally. Have you ever regretted not going into the work or are you now glad that it didn't work out that way? |
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Post by snow on Sept 22, 2022 12:23:11 GMT -5
This one seems to be the one that I relate to the most. Her reluctance to speak about it with her family because she doesn't want to upset their whole life concept. She knows they pray for her to come back because they feel she is going to hell and that being so hard for her. That was me also. I hated that my parents who I loved very much felt so bad about believing that once they died they would never see me again and that I would be tortured for eternity. Their child who they loved. How horrible is that. It's just so wrong what religions do to families with their beliefs that are so horrific. I agree Snow, but you have to see the flip side, some kids still have a family because their parents belief was the thing that held it together. Interesting. Never saw it that way, but now that you have pointed it out, you probably are right. I imagine that many of our parents stuck together because it wasn't a good thing to split up. It would have been frowned upon. But while it gave kids a family because the parents stuck together, it didn't necessarily gave them a good family life. I know my parents should never have been together and I often felt bad that they did when it seemed such a bad fit. Staying together can make for a miserable childhood when the parents aren't happy. So pros and cons like everything I suppose. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2022 14:19:29 GMT -5
I wasn't Born and Raised in the Truth, but felt the call around 15/16/17 so I ran from it, then finally offered around 2002. Thanks Wally. Have you ever regretted not going into the work or are you now glad that it didn't work out that way? I was rejected for the work when I offered, no reason given. One worker said though if you don't do it on God's time it doesn't get done...since I am in limbo now not a worker nor a husband I have no idea what to think... |
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Post by snow on Sept 22, 2022 14:24:44 GMT -5
Thanks Wally. Have you ever regretted not going into the work or are you now glad that it didn't work out that way? I was rejected for the work when I offered, no reason given. One worker said though if you don't do it on God's time it doesn't get done...since I am in limbo now not a worker nor a husband I have no idea what to think... Oh okay. I would think they would at least let you know why, but I guess that's not a given. Common courtesy imo. I'm really not sure what that worker could possibly mean by saying 'if you don't do it on God's time it doesn't get done'. How would they know if it was God's time. Basically you feeling that it was a calling for you from God should be enough proof that it's God's will. So basically how I see it they vetoed what God asked you to do. That seems to me to be very wrong. They don't get to say what God wants do they? I can sure see how you are now in limbo. I'm sorry for what happened. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2022 14:27:44 GMT -5
I was rejected for the work when I offered, no reason given. One worker said though if you don't do it on God's time it doesn't get done...since I am in limbo now not a worker nor a husband I have no idea what to think... Oh okay. I would think they would at least let you know why, but I guess that's not a given. Common courtesy imo. I'm really not sure what that worker could possibly mean by saying 'if you don't do it on God's time it doesn't get done'. How would they know if it was God's time. Basically you feeling that it was a calling for you from God should be enough proof that it's God's will. So basically how I see it they vetoed what God asked you to do. That seems to me to be very wrong. They don't get to say what God wants do they? I can sure see how you are now in limbo. I'm sorry for what happened. Thanks |
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Post by fixit on Sept 22, 2022 17:17:09 GMT -5
Thanks Wally. Have you ever regretted not going into the work or are you now glad that it didn't work out that way? I was rejected for the work when I offered, no reason given. One worker said though if you don't do it on God's time it doesn't get done...since I am in limbo now not a worker nor a husband I have no idea what to think... Did you remind that worker about the story of Jonah? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2022 17:34:21 GMT -5
I was rejected for the work when I offered, no reason given. One worker said though if you don't do it on God's time it doesn't get done...since I am in limbo now not a worker nor a husband I have no idea what to think... Did you remind that worker about the story of Jonah? I was too sad to think of any counter argument at the time.... |
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Post by help on Sept 22, 2022 17:45:27 GMT -5
That is the difference between the 2x2 method and main stream Churches. If you want to become a member of Clergy, you make the decision, go to college, pass exams, become ordained. Makes more sense than the decision made by just one person.
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Post by Pragmatic on Sept 22, 2022 19:14:21 GMT -5
This girl, Nicole, spent a large chunk of her life in Nelson, which is regarded as being a very "conservative" place among the friends, to the extent it is somewhat embarrassing to we "free thinkers".
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Post by chuck on Sept 23, 2022 6:27:59 GMT -5
I agree Snow, but you have to see the flip side, some kids still have a family because their parents belief was the thing that held it together. Interesting. Never saw it that way, but now that you have pointed it out, you probably are right. I imagine that many of our parents stuck together because it wasn't a good thing to split up. It would have been frowned upon. But while it gave kids a family because the parents stuck together, it didn't necessarily gave them a good family life. I know my parents should never have been together and I often felt bad that they did when it seemed such a bad fit. Staying together can make for a miserable childhood when the parents aren't happy. So pros and cons like everything I suppose. Exactly right snow. I find it easy to be a reductionist when it comes to religion. It's clearly not just religion is all bad end of story. |
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Post by snow on Sept 23, 2022 11:58:17 GMT -5
Interesting. Never saw it that way, but now that you have pointed it out, you probably are right. I imagine that many of our parents stuck together because it wasn't a good thing to split up. It would have been frowned upon. But while it gave kids a family because the parents stuck together, it didn't necessarily gave them a good family life. I know my parents should never have been together and I often felt bad that they did when it seemed such a bad fit. Staying together can make for a miserable childhood when the parents aren't happy. So pros and cons like everything I suppose. Exactly right snow. I find it easy to be a reductionist when it comes to religion. It's clearly not just religion is all bad end of story. I agree. Not all aspects of any religion is all bad. There is good in all religions. It's when the leaders get power hungry. They start acting like they are 'God' and that rarely ends up well for the followers or protestors of that religion. The workers have far too much power for example. The 2x2 religion isn't all bad by any means. It has a community that sticks together and that can be a good thing as long as it isn't taken to exclusive extremes. Not having a church building is not a bad idea either but it just doesn't work when there are larger groups of followers. It works for the 2x2's because they are a small group but it shouldn't be seen as the 'only right way'. If religions actually stuck to the love and peace aspects of their religion there would be far less harm done. Unfortunately leaders just seem to have the need to divide humanity by saying their interpretation of a religion, or their religion is the only right one. Religious wars are the outcome and what we're seeing in the states at the moment with the religious right wanting to force everyone to live like they do. |
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Post by openingact34 on Sept 24, 2022 0:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by Dan on Sept 24, 2022 4:11:43 GMT -5
Some of these exes seem bitter for no good reason.. If you don't like a church, just leave.. I don't understand the excessive whining about it being too strict, too controlling, too restrictive, etc. Most of them weren't abused, and that last one seemed like she had some preexisting mental problems? She calls it a cult but can hardly remember much about it? If a church is not your cup of tea, just move on. Why be a crybaby about it 10 years after leaving? They aren't content to just move on after the fact, but seem compelled to disparage it. I understand the complaints, but portraying themselves as victims seems more like a 'poor me' cry for attention.. jmo
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Post by intelchips on Sept 24, 2022 7:14:04 GMT -5
Some of these exes seem bitter for no good reason.. If you don't like a church, just leave.. I don't understand the excessive whining about it being too strict, too controlling, too restrictive, etc. Most of them weren't abused, and that last one seemed like she had some preexisting mental problems? She calls it a cult but can hardly remember much about it? If a church is not your cup of tea, just move on. Why be a crybaby about it 10 years after leaving? They aren't content to just move on after the fact, but seem compelled to disparage it. I understand the complaints, but portraying themselves as victims seems more like a 'poor me' cry for attention.. jmo One problem with your assessment: How can one leave the only true church? |
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Post by Lee on Sept 24, 2022 7:22:50 GMT -5
On their request, I sent one of my relatives a copy of Cherie's, 'Preserving the Truth'. They finished it and wrote, "Thanks for sharing good history of the truth".
Now on one hand, 'the truth' can simply refer to a faith community. On the other, and as my relative would continue to insist, the language implies the workers are uniquely arbitrating salvation for mankind.
I just replied, thanks for returning the book, and sent a video revealing the 911 lie.
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Post by intelchips on Sept 24, 2022 8:15:10 GMT -5
On their request, I sent one of my relatives a copy of Cherie's, 'Preserving the Truth'. They finished it and wrote, "Thanks for sharing good history of the truth". Now on one hand, 'the truth' can simply refer to a faith community. On the other, and as my relative would continue to insist, the language implies the workers are uniquely arbitrating salvation for mankind. I just replied, thanks for returning the book, and sent a video revealing the 911 lie. ar·bi·trate [ˈärbəˌtrāt] VERB arbitrating (present participle) (of an independent person or body) reach an authoritative judgment or settlement: "the board has the power to arbitrate in disputes" · synonyms: adjudicate · judge · adjudge · referee · umpire · sit in judgment · pass judgment · pronounce judgment · give a verdict · make a ruling · mediate · negotiate · conciliate · intervene · intercede · interpose · step in · make peace · act as peacemaker · settle · decide · determine · resolve |
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Post by Lee on Sept 24, 2022 8:23:42 GMT -5
It's a good word, to describe the workers' position or claim. While I entertain my own idea of the 'elect', in my experience with the workers, they are promoting themselves over God.
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Post by verna on Sept 24, 2022 11:05:42 GMT -5
On their request, I sent one of my relatives a copy of Cherie's, 'Preserving the Truth'. They finished it and wrote, "Thanks for sharing good history of the truth". Now on one hand, 'the truth' can simply refer to a faith community. On the other, and as my relative would continue to insist, the language implies the workers are uniquely arbitrating salvation for mankind. I just replied, thanks for returning the book, and sent a video revealing the 911 lie. Oh shoot you just undid the good you had done. |
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Post by verna on Sept 24, 2022 11:10:19 GMT -5
Some of these exes seem bitter for no good reason.. If you don't like a church, just leave.. I don't understand the excessive whining about it being too strict, too controlling, too restrictive, etc. Most of them weren't abused, and that last one seemed like she had some preexisting mental problems? She calls it a cult but can hardly remember much about it? If a church is not your cup of tea, just move on. Why be a crybaby about it 10 years after leaving? They aren't content to just move on after the fact, but seem compelled to disparage it. I understand the complaints, but portraying themselves as victims seems more like a 'poor me' cry for attention.. jmo Dan obviously you did not experience the indoctrination I did. Lucky for you. When you are raised in an atmosphere of inescapable fear and perhaps if you are of a particular temperament, it sticks. It messes with your thinking. You don’t just walk away. |
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