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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 5, 2024 20:13:04 GMT -5
This is remarkable—in that Jack Carroll died in 1957. (sigh) ...still can't get your "facts" straight... Hey, you are alive! Welcome back. Long time no see. Yes, nobody is perfect you know. I can’t get all the workers years correctly every time. I am too lazy to look it up. Please, forgive me. By the way, when are you going to get your “facts” straight on William Irvine did NOT start the 2x2 in 1987 on TTT Website. He was still a Faith mission preacher and making converts for them in 1897. I just wondering when are you going to change the year? It has been over 20 years now. . That says it all and why the readers have to put up with you repeating whatever you read or think without first verifying it. |
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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 5, 2024 20:20:28 GMT -5
This is remarkable—in that Jack Carroll died in 1957. (sigh) ...still can't get your "facts" straight... Hey, you are alive! Welcome back. Long time no see. Yes, nobody is perfect you know. I can’t get all the workers years correctly every time. I am too lazy to look it up. Please, forgive me. By the way, when are you going to get your “facts” straight on William Irvine did NOT start the 2x2 in 1987 on TTT Website. He was still a Faith mission preacher and making converts for them in 1897. I just wondering when are you going to change the year? It has been over 20 years now. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 20:24:45 GMT -5
Hey, you are alive! Welcome back. Long time no see. Yes, nobody is perfect you know. I can’t get all the workers years correctly every time. I am too lazy to look it up. Please, forgive me. By the way, when are you going to get your “facts” straight on William Irvine did NOT start the 2x2 in 1987 on TTT Website. He was still a Faith mission preacher and making converts for them in 1897. I just wondering when are you going to change the year? It has been over 20 years now. I am too lazy to look it up. That says it all and why the readers have to put up with you repeating whatever you read or think without first verifying it. You need to tell that to Cherie K, with her 1897 starting dated need to corrected. I have heard so many people repeating that incorrect date every where William Irvine started the 2x2 in 1897 when he didn’t! Here she and you jumped on me for NOT big of a deal or important year of Jack Carrol death. Birds of feathers like to flock together, eh. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 5, 2024 20:27:16 GMT -5
I am too lazy to look it up. That says it all and why the readers have to put up with you repeating whatever you read or think without first verifying it. You need to tell that to Cherie K, with her 1897 starting dated need to corrected. I have heard so many people repeating that incorrect date every where William Irvine started the 2x2 in 1897 when he didn’t! Here she and you jumped on me for NOT big of a deal or important year of Jack Carrol death. Birds of feathers like to flock together, eh. That says it all and why the readers have to put up with you repeating whatever you read or think without first verifying it. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 20:30:15 GMT -5
Hey, you are alive! Welcome back. Long time no see. Yes, nobody is perfect you know. I can’t get all the workers years correctly every time. I am too lazy to look it up. Please, forgive me. By the way, when are you going to get your “facts” straight on William Irvine did NOT start the 2x2 in 1987 on TTT Website. He was still a Faith mission preacher and making converts for them in 1897. I just wondering when are you going to change the year? It has been over 20 years now. Yes, I went over with you over your false facts on 1897 too many times. You haven’t changed it for 20 years. William Irvine had no thought of leaving the Faith Mission in 1897! |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 20:32:50 GMT -5
You need to tell that to Cherie K, with her 1897 starting dated need to corrected. I have heard so many people repeating that incorrect date every where William Irvine started the 2x2 in 1897 when he didn’t! Here she and you jumped on me for NOT big of a deal or important year of Jack Carrol death. Birds of feathers like to flock together, eh. That says it all and why the readers have to put up with you repeating whatever you read or think without first verifying it. the year of Jack’s death was NOT a major topic bout it was the podcast! I was thinking of what he said about 2x2 going on Television with the gospel. If I KNEW it was that important to you TWO, I could have taken the time find out the year of his death. |
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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 5, 2024 20:44:21 GMT -5
I am too lazy to look it up.That says it all and why the readers have to put up with you repeating whatever you read or think without first verifying it. the year of Jack’s death was NOT a major thing I was thinking of what he said about 2x2 going on Television with the gospel. If I KNEW it was that important to you TWO, I could have taken the time find out the year of his death. Nate: Are you SURE it was Television—and not the Radio JTC considered using? From my book: Television. Between 1947 and 1957, television entered many US homes. It was marketed as a modern innovation that "brought the world into your home" (Horrors!). Referred to as "hellivision" by some Workers, television was considered an "idol" that opened the door to the world, temptation and sin. Overseer Garrett Hughes proclaimed, "Television is the Devil's masterpiece." The decision was reached at a Western US Workers Meeting that there would be zero tolerance for televisions. For a time, if a 2x2 was discovered owning one, they were excommunicated or instructed not to participate in Meetings until they disposed of it. Usually, Workers do not (knowingly) place a Fellowship Meeting in a home with a television. This may be changing. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 20:54:58 GMT -5
the year of Jack’s death was NOT a major thing I was thinking of what he said about 2x2 going on Television with the gospel. If I KNEW it was that important to you TWO, I could have taken the time find out the year of his death. Nate: Are you SURE it was Television—and not the Radio JTC considered using? From my book: Television. Between 1947 and 1957, television entered many US homes. It was marketed as a modern innovation that "brought the world into your home" (Horrors!). Referred to as "hellivision" by some Workers, television was considered an "idol" that opened the door to the world, temptation and sin. Overseer Garrett Hughes proclaimed, "Television is the Devil's masterpiece." The decision was reached at a Western US Workers Meeting that there would be zero tolerance for televisions. For a time, if a 2x2 was discovered owning one, they were excommunicated or instructed not to participate in Meetings until they disposed of it. Usually, Workers do not (knowingly) place a Fellowship Meeting in a home with a television. This may be changing. Yes, I agree time is changing! Computers are worse than radio or television by far! Most of the workers have computers and iPhone in the United States. |
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Post by fixit on Feb 5, 2024 21:39:39 GMT -5
It would be the best seller!  There is nothing like that out there. One of the senior workers memorized my testimony words for words closed enough because he heard so many times, on his convention tours he shared it with the workers and the friends. Did they like the bit about hollow Earth hell and hollow Venus heaven and angels flying in and out in space ships? It definitely has potential as a science fiction novel. Maybe someone like Dan Brown could make something of it. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 21:46:06 GMT -5
It would be the best seller! There is nothing like that out there. One of the senior workers memorized my testimony words for words closed enough because he heard so many times, on his convention tours he shared it with the workers and the friends. Did they like the bit about hollow Earth hell and hollow Venus heaven and angels flying in and out in space ships? It definitely has potential as a science fiction novel. Maybe someone like Dan Brown could make something of it. haha I didn’t know about flying chariots of fire 25 years ago! No, he didn’t have the part about Jesus lives inside Venus planet and the Guardian angels flying or getting around the planets and galaxies in their spaceships either. Didn’t you KNOW in the Old Testament Bible and the Dead Sea Scroll were Jesus talking about sending his angels in the flying Chariots of fire/space crafts to earth to assist mankind? You didn’t know that did you? |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 21:57:16 GMT -5
Nathan to fixit: Did you know God sent His angels from the Bright and morning Star/Venus planet to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah with the laser weapons from their space ships? That is why they call flying chariots of fire.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 5, 2024 23:21:27 GMT -5
Did they like the bit about hollow Earth hell and hollow Venus heaven and angels flying in and out in space ships? It definitely has potential as a science fiction novel. Maybe someone like Dan Brown could make something of it. haha I didn’t know about flying chariots of fire 25 years ago! No, he didn’t have the part about Jesus lives inside Venus planet and the Guardian angels flying or getting around the planets and galaxies in their spaceships either. Didn’t you KNOW in the Old Testament Bible and the Dead Sea Scroll were Jesus talking about sending his angels in the flying Chariots of fire/space crafts to earth to assist mankind? You didn’t know that did you? Can you provide a link to the dead sea scroll you are referring to please? |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 23:48:39 GMT -5
haha I didn’t know about flying chariots of fire 25 years ago! No, he didn’t have the part about Jesus lives inside Venus planet and the Guardian angels flying or getting around the planets and galaxies in their spaceships either. Didn’t you KNOW in the Old Testament Bible and the Dead Sea Scroll were Jesus talking about sending his angels in the flying Chariots of fire/space crafts to earth to assist mankind? You didn’t know that did you? Can you provide a link to the dead sea scroll you are referring to please? It was ex-2x2 90 plus years old lady on here posted the Dead Sea scrolls website on here 10 years ago, that was how I got it. Then I put it together that somebody posted part of that Dead Sea scrolls from Frank Stranges Dead Sea Scrolls 3 books. The information are on there! I posted on here so many times. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 6, 2024 0:30:51 GMT -5
Can you provide a link to the dead sea scroll you are referring to please? It was ex-2x2 90 plus years old lady on here posted the Dead Sea scrolls website on here 10 years ago, that was how I got it. Then I put it together that somebody posted part of that Dead Sea scrolls from Frank Stranges Dead Sea Scrolls 3 books. The information are on there! I posted on here so many times. Everytime you have named a dead sea scroll you have been referring to one of Stranges figments of his imagination. If you are honest and want to know more about the dead sea scrolls there is an excellent website run by the Israeli Museum that lists all the scrolls and what is known so far about them. Not one of the scrolls you have posted matches anything that the Israeli Museum holds. Stranges is a liar and a con man. Shame on you for associating with his fakery. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2024 0:51:24 GMT -5
By the way, when are you going to get your “facts” straight on William Irvine did NOT start the 2x2 in 1987 on TTT Website. He was still a Faith mission preacher and making converts for them in 1897. I just wondering when are you going to change the year? So you highly esteem John Long and his writings and knowledge??? REALLY? John Long wrote in his Journal that it started in 1897 — and he was present at that Nenagh Mission — a firsthand primary witness. Therefore, I use his start date. Sometimes I use the sliding start date of "at the turn of the 20th century." Do you like that better? No I don't forgive your sloppy "facts." You can't be trusted with history. I'm sorry nathan2, but you are wrong re Wm Irvine and the starting date of the 2x2 fellowship that he founded. Long before I ever knew of Cherie, some of us had done our own research about how the F&W 2x2 fellowship and form of meeting began. There are some old foolscap typed pages that originated in Ireland, with the heading 'The Beginnings'. These notes also were circulating in England, in the post-WWII period. They discuss Wm Irvine's time in the Faith Mission and that he separated himself from the Faith Mission and set out on his own adventure in Ireland in 1897. As well as the typed notes (which I have a copy of, somewhere), the whole saga with considerable detail was well known and spoken about by that generation of Irish. I confirmed the story (and an approximate date, consistent with the Irish date of 1897) with one of the older workers, who summed it up by saying "we just accept that William Irvine had a revelation from God" (which seemed sufficient to make him happy). Some time later, around the time of the 'Summer Letter' of 1997 (timely, marking the centenary of the F&W Meetings) I met Cherie on the internet and also discovered John Long's diary, both of which were consistent in confirming the 1897 date for when Wm Irvine first went out on his own, having left the Faith Mission. I'm pretty sure also that the Faith Mission records (kind of like our 'Workers Lists') that I found at the time listed Irvine as one of theirs up until he left (in 1897). For me, there's no doubt. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 6, 2024 0:59:20 GMT -5
By the way, when are you going to get your “facts” straight on William Irvine did NOT start the 2x2 in 1987 on TTT Website. He was still a Faith mission preacher and making converts for them in 1897. I just wondering when are you going to change the year? So you highly esteem John Long and his writings and knowledge??? REALLY? John Long wrote in his Journal that it started in 1897 — and he was present at that Nenagh Mission — a firsthand primary witness. Therefore, I use his start date. Sometimes I use the sliding start date of "at the turn of the 20th century." Do you like that better? No I don't forgive your sloppy "facts." You can't be trusted with history. I'm sorry nathan2 , but you are wrong re Wm Irvine and the starting date of the 2x2 fellowship that he founded. Long before I ever knew of Cherie, some of us had done our own research about how the F&W 2x2 fellowship and form of meeting began. There are some old foolscap typed pages that originated in Ireland, with the heading 'The Beginnings'. These notes also were circulating in England, in the post-WWII period. They discuss Wm Irvine's time in the Faith Mission and that he separated himself from the Faith Mission and set out on his own adventure in Ireland in 1897. As well as the typed notes (which I have a copy of, somewhere), the whole saga with considerable detail was well known and spoken about by that generation of Irish. I confirmed the story (and an approximate date, consistent with the Irish date of 1897) with one of the older workers, who summed it up by saying "we just accept that William Irvine had a revelation from God" (which seemed sufficient to make him happy). Some time later, around the time of the 'Summer Letter' of 1997 (timely, marking the centenary of the F&W Meetings) I met Cherie on the internet and also discovered John Long's diary, both of which were consistent in confirming the 1897 date for when Wm Irvine first went out on his own, having left the Faith Mission. I'm pretty sure also that the Faith Mission records (kind of like our 'Workers Lists') that I found at the time listed Irvine as one of theirs up until he left (in 1897). For me, there's no doubt. My father was Irish and spoke of Irvine and how he had seperated from the Faith Mission. It seemed to be common knowledge among the Irish and there was no effort to hide those beginnings. I don't recall a date though. I believe the obfuscation began in the United States. They are now reaping the reward for their deceptiveness. |
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Post by fixit on Feb 6, 2024 1:05:48 GMT -5
By the way, when are you going to get your “facts” straight on William Irvine did NOT start the 2x2 in 1987 on TTT Website. He was still a Faith mission preacher and making converts for them in 1897. I just wondering when are you going to change the year? So you highly esteem John Long and his writings and knowledge??? REALLY? John Long wrote in his Journal that it started in 1897 — and he was present at that Nenagh Mission — a firsthand primary witness. Therefore, I use his start date. Sometimes I use the sliding start date of "at the turn of the 20th century." Do you like that better? No I don't forgive your sloppy "facts." You can't be trusted with history. I'm sorry nathan2, but you are wrong re Wm Irvine and the starting date of the 2x2 fellowship that he founded. Long before I ever knew of Cherie, some of us had done our own research about how the F&W 2x2 fellowship and form of meeting began. There are some old foolscap typed pages that originated in Ireland, with the heading 'The Beginnings'. These notes also were circulating in England, in the post-WWII period. They discuss Wm Irvine's time in the Faith Mission and that he separated himself from the Faith Mission and set out on his own adventure in Ireland in 1897. As well as the typed notes (which I have a copy of, somewhere), the whole saga with considerable detail was well known and spoken about by that generation of Irish. I confirmed the story (and an approximate date, consistent with the Irish date of 1897) with one of the older workers, who summed it up by saying "we just accept that William Irvine had a revelation from God" (which seemed sufficient to make him happy). Some time later, around the time of the 'Summer Letter' of 1997 (timely, marking the centenary of the F&W Meetings) I met Cherie on the internet and also discovered John Long's diary, both of which were consistent in confirming the 1897 date for when Wm Irvine first went out on his own, having left the Faith Mission. I'm pretty sure also that the Faith Mission records (kind of like our 'Workers Lists') that I found at the time listed Irvine as one of theirs up until he left (in 1897). For me, there's no doubt. Faith Mission tells of WI leaving them a few years after 1897. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 6, 2024 1:11:31 GMT -5
By the way, when are you going to get your “facts” straight on William Irvine did NOT start the 2x2 in 1987 on TTT Website. He was still a Faith mission preacher and making converts for them in 1897. I just wondering when are you going to change the year? So you highly esteem John Long and his writings and knowledge??? REALLY? John Long wrote in his Journal that it started in 1897 — and he was present at that Nenagh Mission — a firsthand primary witness. Therefore, I use his start date. Sometimes I use the sliding start date of "at the turn of the 20th century." Do you like that better? No I don't forgive your sloppy "facts." You can't be trusted with history. I'm sorry nathan2, but you are wrong re Wm Irvine and the starting date of the 2x2 fellowship that he founded. Long before I ever knew of Cherie, some of us had done our own research about how the F&W 2x2 fellowship and form of meeting began. There are some old foolscap typed pages that originated in Ireland, with the heading 'The Beginnings'. These notes also were circulating in England, in the post-WWII period. They discuss Wm Irvine's time in the Faith Mission and that he separated himself from the Faith Mission and set out on his own adventure in Ireland in 1897. As well as the typed notes (which I have a copy of, somewhere), the whole saga with considerable detail was well known and spoken about by that generation of Irish. I confirmed the story (and an approximate date, consistent with the Irish date of 1897) with one of the older workers, who summed it up by saying "we just accept that William Irvine had a revelation from God" (which seemed sufficient to make him happy). Some time later, around the time of the 'Summer Letter' of 1997 (timely, marking the centenary of the F&W Meetings) I met Cherie on the internet and also discovered John Long's diary, both of which were consistent in confirming the 1897 date for when Wm Irvine first went out on his own, having left the Faith Mission. I'm pretty sure also that the Faith Mission records (kind of like our 'Workers Lists') that I found at the time listed Irvine as one of theirs up until he left (in 1897). For me, there's no doubt. Sorry, guy… I did my home work for 15 years! As I said I went through almost everything she posted on line, and I found the missing pieces. We have agree to disagree. I don’t want to shared what I have found on here again! It’s in my files. You are entitled to believe whatever you want and I will believe what I have learned. You happy and I am happy, let us leave it at that for now. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 6, 2024 1:18:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry nathan2, but you are wrong re Wm Irvine and the starting date of the 2x2 fellowship that he founded. Long before I ever knew of Cherie, some of us had done our own research about how the F&W 2x2 fellowship and form of meeting began. There are some old foolscap typed pages that originated in Ireland, with the heading 'The Beginnings'. These notes also were circulating in England, in the post-WWII period. They discuss Wm Irvine's time in the Faith Mission and that he separated himself from the Faith Mission and set out on his own adventure in Ireland in 1897. As well as the typed notes (which I have a copy of, somewhere), the whole saga with considerable detail was well known and spoken about by that generation of Irish. I confirmed the story (and an approximate date, consistent with the Irish date of 1897) with one of the older workers, who summed it up by saying "we just accept that William Irvine had a revelation from God" (which seemed sufficient to make him happy). Some time later, around the time of the 'Summer Letter' of 1997 (timely, marking the centenary of the F&W Meetings) I met Cherie on the internet and also discovered John Long's diary, both of which were consistent in confirming the 1897 date for when Wm Irvine first went out on his own, having left the Faith Mission. I'm pretty sure also that the Faith Mission records (kind of like our 'Workers Lists') that I found at the time listed Irvine as one of theirs up until he left (in 1897). For me, there's no doubt. Faith Mission tells of WI leaving them a few years after 1897. The Faith mission disciplined William Irvine in 1899 for doing things without their approval/a bicycle mission with his converts, who didn’t want to become FM union members or their preachers group. So, WI quit/departed officially from them in 12/1900. |
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Post by Mary on Feb 6, 2024 1:23:03 GMT -5
I'm sorry nathan2, but you are wrong re Wm Irvine and the starting date of the 2x2 fellowship that he founded. Long before I ever knew of Cherie, some of us had done our own research about how the F&W 2x2 fellowship and form of meeting began. There are some old foolscap typed pages that originated in Ireland, with the heading 'The Beginnings'. These notes also were circulating in England, in the post-WWII period. They discuss Wm Irvine's time in the Faith Mission and that he separated himself from the Faith Mission and set out on his own adventure in Ireland in 1897. As well as the typed notes (which I have a copy of, somewhere), the whole saga with considerable detail was well known and spoken about by that generation of Irish. I confirmed the story (and an approximate date, consistent with the Irish date of 1897) with one of the older workers, who summed it up by saying "we just accept that William Irvine had a revelation from God" (which seemed sufficient to make him happy). Some time later, around the time of the 'Summer Letter' of 1997 (timely, marking the centenary of the F&W Meetings) I met Cherie on the internet and also discovered John Long's diary, both of which were consistent in confirming the 1897 date for when Wm Irvine first went out on his own, having left the Faith Mission. I'm pretty sure also that the Faith Mission records (kind of like our 'Workers Lists') that I found at the time listed Irvine as one of theirs up until he left (in 1897). For me, there's no doubt. Faith Mission tells of WI leaving them a few years after 1897. It is my understanding that Irvine continued to receive money from the Faith Mission until they woke up to what he was doing and stopped paying him and officially axed him in 1901. He had been out doing his own thing for a few years by then so 1897 makes sense. At least proof is there by eye witnesses that he started in 1897. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 6, 2024 1:29:46 GMT -5
Faith Mission tells of WI leaving them a few years after 1897. It is my understanding that Irvine continued to receive money from the Faith Mission until they woke up to what he was doing and stopped paying him and officially axed him in 1901. He had been out doing his own thing for a few years by then so 1897 makes sense. At least proof is there by eye witnesses that he started in 1897. That's correct as far as I can ascertain too. What makes me laugh is how he thought he could deceive his employers. Fraudsters always get caught out eventually. His deceptions seem to have set the tone for "The Truth" in following years. And then there is the trouble he had with his trouser fly. Which also set the tone for his followers. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 6, 2024 1:33:08 GMT -5
Faith Mission tells of WI leaving them a few years after 1897. It is my understanding that Irvine continued to receive money from the Faith Mission until they woke up to what he was doing and stopped paying him and officially axed him in 1901. He had been out doing his own thing for a few years by then so 1897 makes sense. At least proof is there by eye witnesses that he started in 1897. WI was suggesting May Carroll was Jack Carrol’s sister who professed through his Faith Mission in 1897 to join the FM workers from 1899-1903. Then May left the FM preachers group then she joined the 2x2 workers group, along with her two brothers Jack and Bill Carroll. |
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Post by Mary on Feb 6, 2024 1:57:17 GMT -5
It is my understanding that Irvine continued to receive money from the Faith Mission until they woke up to what he was doing and stopped paying him and officially axed him in 1901. He had been out doing his own thing for a few years by then so 1897 makes sense. At least proof is there by eye witnesses that he started in 1897. In 1897 WI was suggesting May Carroll was Jack Carrol’s sister who professed through WI Faith Mission in 1897 to join the FM workers from 1899-1903. Then May left the FM preachers group then she joined the 2x2 workers group, along with her two brothers Jack and Bill Carroll. He was holding some Faith Mission meetings and some of his own meetings. As you said, they had found out about him doing his own thing by 1899 so by 1899 he was already doing his own thing. Where is your friend Wally? |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 6, 2024 2:08:41 GMT -5
In 1897 WI was suggesting May Carroll was Jack Carrol’s sister who professed through WI Faith Mission in 1897 to join the FM workers from 1899-1903. Then May left the FM preachers group then she joined the 2x2 workers group, along with her two brothers Jack and Bill Carroll. He was holding some Faith Mission meetings and some of his own meetings. As you said, they had found out about him doing his own thing by 1899 so by 1899 he was already doing his own thing. Where is your friend Wally? Many of his FM converts mission in 1897 didn’t want to join the FM teachings to become FM union members or “Join the church of your choice”. WI converts didn’t want to go back to the churches they just came out of! They wanted to keep the Faith Mission Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry. The FM didn’t baptized their converts, and they didn’t have the communion/Eucharists /Bread and wine so, in 1903 the 2x2s baptized their own coverts and held Sunday morning worship with the emblems in their converts homes. WI left the FM in 12/1900 and joined with the 2x2s workers group. I tried to call Wally on the phone a few times but he is answering, must be going some where. |
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Post by Mary on Feb 6, 2024 2:16:39 GMT -5
He was holding some Faith Mission meetings and some of his own meetings. As you said, they had found out about him doing his own thing by 1899 so by 1899 he was already doing his own thing. Where is your friend Wally? Many of his FM converts mission in 1897 didn’t want to join the FM teachings to become FM union members or “Join the church of your choice”. WI converts didn’t want to go back to the churches they just came out of! They wanted to keep the Faith Mission Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry. The FM didn’t baptized their converts, and they didn’t have the communion/Eucharists /Bread and wine so, in 1903 the 2x2s baptized their own coverts and held Sunday morning worship with the emblems in their converts homes. WI left the FM in 12/1900 and joined with the 2x2s workers group. You're going off track again. Irvine began preaching against the very churches that he was preaching in and trying to get converts to follow him. As has been said many times in the past. The Faith Mission was not a church. It was a Missionary movement or like today a missionary training school or Bible College. The Faith Mission is not a church and never has been so why would they have communion or baptism. People attend churches for that. The FM workers didnt sit around in their dorms, they went to church, preached in them and were part of these churches. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2024 2:48:07 GMT -5
Sorry, guy… I did my home work for 15 years! As I said I went through almost everything she posted on line, and I found the missing pieces. We have agree to disagree. I don’t want to shared what I have found on here again! It’s in my files. You are entitled to believe whatever you want and I will believe what I have learned. You happy and I am happy, let us leave it at that for now. Well buddy, you didn't do your homework accurately enough! The Irish records indicate that Wm Irvine's first converts to his new church (and you're correct, the Faith Mission wasn't a church, per se) were in 1897. It wasn't exactly the Friends & Workers, because it seems they were essentially all 'Workers'. Friends came along, gradually. I do recall that the Faith Mission lists took a while (couple of years?) to catch up with the fact that Irvine had gone rogue. It's easy to check. I never heard that he was still taking their funds for his independent missionary work, however. Pretty low act. I think Cooney bankrolled him, after a time? Nathan to fixit: Did you know God sent His angels from the Bright and morning Star/Venus planet to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah with the laser weapons from their space ships? That is why they call flying chariots of fire. And I'll tell you something else I don't believe. That God and his angels use laser weapons and buzz around in space ships. The whole idea is bonkers, totally lacking credibility and completely off the planet! Just remember, TMB is not a sci-fi board  Goodnight. |
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Post by Mary on Feb 6, 2024 3:07:12 GMT -5
Sorry, guy… I did my home work for 15 years! As I said I went through almost everything she posted on line, and I found the missing pieces. We have agree to disagree. I don’t want to shared what I have found on here again! It’s in my files. You are entitled to believe whatever you want and I will believe what I have learned. You happy and I am happy, let us leave it at that for now. Well buddy, you didn't do your homework accurately enough! The Irish records indicate that Wm Irvine's first converts to his new church (and you're correct, the Faith Mission wasn't a church, per se) were in 1897. It wasn't exactly the Friends & Workers, because it seems they were essentially all 'Workers'. Friends came along, gradually. I do recall that the Faith Mission lists took a while (couple of years?) to catch up with the fact that Irvine had gone rogue. It's easy to check. I never heard that he was still taking their funds for his independent missionary work, however. Pretty low act. I think Cooney bankrolled him, after a time. Goodnight. I visited the Faith Mission book shop in Belfast in 1996 or 1999, I forget which date, and talked to the owner. He told me about Irvine still getting paid by the Faith Mission until 1901 and that he saw the last entry in the book. I think Cherie visited the Faith Mission in Scotland a few years later and records were gone by then as they only kept them for 100 years. Maybe others had heard about Irvine still getting paid too. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 6, 2024 9:29:52 GMT -5
Many of his FM converts mission in 1897 didn’t want to join the FM teachings to become FM union members or “Join the church of your choice”. WI converts didn’t want to go back to the churches they just came out of! They wanted to keep the Faith Mission Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry. The FM didn’t baptized their converts, and they didn’t have the communion/Eucharists /Bread and wine so, in 1903 the 2x2s baptized their own coverts and held Sunday morning worship with the emblems in their converts homes. WI left the FM in 12/1900 and joined with the 2x2s workers group. You're going off track again. Irvine began preaching against the very churches that he was preaching in and trying to get converts to follow him. As has been said many times in the past. The Faith Mission was not a church. It was a Missionary movement or like today a missionary training school or Bible College. The Faith Mission is not a church and never has been so why would they have communion or baptism. People attend churches for that. The FM workers didnt sit around in their dorms, they went to church, preached in them and were part of these churches. You need to study the Faith Mission group organization closer! John Long didn’t want to become FM preacher in 1898, but he joined as a Faith Mission prayer union as a member from 1898-1914. They have church meetings/worship where they come together to pray Sunday for their group believers. They have Bible studies during the week also. The FM workers stay in the homes of their followers. You don’t think that is an organization and a church denomination? Where do you think, William Irvine and his 2x2 workers and friends get their ideas of 2x2 apostolic New Testament and Sunday morning and week day Bible studies from? The Faith Mission group/Church! |
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There is nothing like that out there. One of the senior workers memorized my testimony words for words closed enough because he heard so many times, on his convention tours he shared it with the workers and the friends.
