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Post by Lee on Feb 5, 2024 12:08:03 GMT -5
Be advised there is some profanity used. I'm still listening to this, but wow, can I relate to my upbringing. But the last part of the interview is so true. Fundamentalism does align with conservatism. It's so easy to create the 'other' as evil and 'part of the devil' because it's also so much a part of the bible mindset. Evil is evil. The bible's authors understood this, and historically, most people have too. The contemptible act of projecting one's own evil onto others must not be confused with having a healthy fear of, and willingness to condemn evil. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 14:15:26 GMT -5
I'm still listening to this, but wow, can I relate to my upbringing. But the last part of the interview is so true. Fundamentalism does align with conservatism. It's so easy to create the 'other' as evil and 'part of the devil' because it's also so much a part of the bible mindset. Evil is evil. The bible's authors understood this, and historically, most people have too. The contemptible act of projecting one's own evil onto others must not be confused with having a healthy fear of, and willingness to condemn evil. These podcasts need to interview some current professing overseers, workers or ex-workers KNOW and Understanding the inner working and doctrines of Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and the set up of the New Testament fellowship! I have listened so MANY of these podcasts and most of them are from ex-friends, who don’t fully understand the Scriptures or the inner working of the workers ministry. I would love to do an interview but too chicken!  |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 5, 2024 14:37:42 GMT -5
Evil is evil. The bible's authors understood this, and historically, most people have too. The contemptible act of projecting one's own evil onto others must not be confused with having a healthy fear of, and willingness to condemn evil. These podcasts need to interview some current professing overseers, workers or ex-workers KNOW and Understanding the inner working and doctrines of Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and the set up of the New Testament fellowship! I have listened so MANY of these podcasts and most of them are from ex-friends, who don’t fully understand the Scriptures or the inner working of the workers ministry. I would love to do an interview but too chicken! Nathan, if it was not for the fact you were not born in the USA, I believe you would be a brilliant republican presidential candidate. Republicans love the sort of sort of stuff you say. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 5, 2024 14:42:46 GMT -5
Evil is evil. The bible's authors understood this, and historically, most people have too. The contemptible act of projecting one's own evil onto others must not be confused with having a healthy fear of, and willingness to condemn evil. These podcasts need to interview some current professing overseers, workers or ex-workers KNOW and Understanding the inner working and doctrines of Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and the set up of the New Testament fellowship! I have listened so MANY of these podcasts and most of them are from ex-friends, who don’t fully understand the Scriptures or the inner working of the workers ministry. I would love to do an interview but too chicken! Did Leo Stancliffe tell you about William Irvine? |
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Post by xna on Feb 5, 2024 14:54:41 GMT -5
These podcasts need to interview some current professing overseers, workers or ex-workers KNOW and Understanding the inner working and doctrines of Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and the set up of the New Testament fellowship!
I have listened so MANY of these podcasts and most of them are from ex-friends, who don’t fully understand the Scriptures or the inner working of the workers ministry.
I would love to do an interview but too chicken!
ref: professing.proboards.com/post/1067783/quote/31665?page=27From the website & listening to the podcast Part 1, Jeff Kinney derekreleford@gmail.com wants to contact someone either in or ex-2x2. It appears he hasn't spoken to any 2x2 or ex-2x2. You could correspond with him via e-mail derekreleford@gmail.com. Also, I suspect he would be happy to interview you on his next podcast Part 2. It doesn't look like he has a very big following, so not many would hear you. Matthew 10:27 "What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops." |
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Post by snow on Feb 5, 2024 15:25:22 GMT -5
Evil is evil. The bible's authors understood this, and historically, most people have too. The contemptible act of projecting one's own evil onto others must not be confused with having a healthy fear of, and willingness to condemn evil. These podcasts need to interview some current professing overseers, workers or ex-workers KNOW and Understanding the inner working and doctrines of Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and the set up of the New Testament fellowship! I have listened so MANY of these podcasts and most of them are from ex-friends, who don’t fully understand the Scriptures or the inner working of the workers ministry. I would love to do an interview but too chicken! Why are you chicken? What do you have to lose? |
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Post by snow on Feb 5, 2024 15:28:19 GMT -5
These podcasts need to interview some current professing overseers, workers or ex-workers KNOW and Understanding the inner working and doctrines of Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and the set up of the New Testament fellowship!
I have listened so MANY of these podcasts and most of them are from ex-friends, who don’t fully understand the Scriptures or the inner working of the workers ministry.
I would love to do an interview but too chicken!
ref: professing.proboards.com/post/1067783/quote/31665?page=27From the website & listening to the podcast Part 1, Jeff Kinney derekreleford@gmail.com wants to contact someone either in or ex-2x2. It appears he hasn't spoken to any 2x2 or ex-2x2. You could correspond with him via e-mail derekreleford@gmail.com. Also, I suspect he would be happy to interview you on his next podcast Part 2. It doesn't look like he has a very big following, so not many would hear you. Matthew 10:27 "What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops."I wonder if it would be worth it to approach him to do a segment with some CSA survivors? If he doesn't have a big following it might not be of any use. The more we expose the overseers to the world about what they've been doing for decades the more people will hear about the group and at least the public won't be keen to join the group. |
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Post by snow on Feb 5, 2024 15:30:42 GMT -5
I'm still listening to this, but wow, can I relate to my upbringing. But the last part of the interview is so true. Fundamentalism does align with conservatism. It's so easy to create the 'other' as evil and 'part of the devil' because it's also so much a part of the bible mindset. She is very articulate and you can tell she has figured out the 2x2 and all religion pretty much like most ex-2x2 atheists have. Good for her. Yes it sound like she's done a lot of research into all religions and come to the same conclusion. It would be very interesting to sit down with her and just talk. I am going to follow River's Woodshed www.youtube.com/@riverswoodshed |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 15:31:12 GMT -5
These podcasts need to interview some current professing overseers, workers or ex-workers KNOW and Understanding the inner working and doctrines of Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and the set up of the New Testament fellowship! I have listened so MANY of these podcasts and most of them are from ex-friends, who don’t fully understand the Scriptures or the inner working of the workers ministry. I would love to do an interview but too chicken! Did Leo Stancliffe tell you about William Irvine? I asked God and Christ about, where are your TRUE ministry/servants (Matthew 10; Luke 20) and people on the earth today?! in 1978. About 2 weeks later, God lead me to Leo Stancliff and Larry, they were having Bible studies on campus lawn at the University for the students, and staff from 12-3PM Monday and Friday. I didn’t know about William Irvine, I KNEW by Revelation from God that His true servants and people ALWAYS have been on the earth! I heard a little bit about William Irvine, John Long and Edward Cooney when I was in the work! William Irvine was a charismatic worker, he problem was with women and they excommunicated him from the ministry. I had read the Secret sect book also. After I left the work in 1993 I read and studied Cherie K. TTT website and I learn a lot from her and especially from John Long Journal and Pattinson account on early days! I knew Cherie didn’t give the readers a complete history of Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Testament history. She started with William Irvine as the Founder! But in fact he got the idea from the Faith Mission 2x2 workers group. To answer your question Leo didn’t tell me about William Irvine. |
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Post by xna on Feb 5, 2024 15:35:59 GMT -5
ref: professing.proboards.com/post/1067783/quote/31665?page=27From the website & listening to the podcast Part 1, Jeff Kinney derekreleford@gmail.com wants to contact someone either in or ex-2x2. It appears he hasn't spoken to any 2x2 or ex-2x2. You could correspond with him via e-mail derekreleford@gmail.com. Also, I suspect he would be happy to interview you on his next podcast Part 2. It doesn't look like he has a very big following, so not many would hear you. Matthew 10:27 "What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops."I wonder if it would be worth it to approach him to do a segment with some CSA survivors? If he doesn't have a big following it might not be of any use. The more we expose the overseers to the world about what they've been doing for decades the more people will hear about the group and at least the public won't be keen to join the group. The way I see it is; anything which helps prevent another SA or CSA is a worthy cause. The more eyes a criminal sees watching them should be a deterrent. |
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Post by Mary on Feb 5, 2024 15:45:17 GMT -5
Did Leo Stancliffe tell you about William Irvine? I asked God and Christ about, where are your TRUE ministry/servants (Matthew 10; Luke 20) and people on the earth today?! in 1978. About 2 weeks later, God lead me to Leo Stancliff and Larry, they were having Bible studies on campus lawn at the University for the students, and staff from 12-3PM Monday and Friday. I didn’t know about William Irvine, I KNEW by Revelation from God that His true servants and people ALWAYS have been on the earth! I heard a little bit about William Irvine, John Long and Edward Cooney when I was in the work! William Irvine was a charismatic worker, he problem was with women and they excommunicated him from the ministry. I had read the Secret sect book also. After I left the work in 1993 I read and studied Cherie K. TTT website and I learn a lot from her and especially from John Long Journal and Pattinson account on early days! I knew Cherie didn’t give the readers a complete history of Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Testament history. She started with William Irvine as the Founder! But in fact he got the idea from the Faith Mission 2x2 workers group. To answer your question Leo didn’t tell me about William Irvine. Leo Stancliffe preached a false gospel. Leo preached: My hope of salvation is the blood of Christ. But I would like to explain to you what it means. The blood of Christ is the ministry and the church in the home. Without the New Testament ministry you don’t have the blood of Christ which includes the church in the home. The forgiveness of sins is a fringe benefit. - Leo Stancliffe, worker, 1981 |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 15:46:27 GMT -5
These podcasts need to interview some current professing overseers, workers or ex-workers KNOW and Understanding the inner working and doctrines of Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry and the set up of the New Testament fellowship! I have listened so MANY of these podcasts and most of them are from ex-friends, who don’t fully understand the Scriptures or the inner working of the workers ministry. I would love to do an interview but too chicken! Why are you chicken? What do you have to lose? I am NOT a good public speaker! I have enough practice with my customers the last 13 years, I think I will be OK, now to do the Interview on the podcast. if the opportunity arise. I would make the podcast an unforgettable experience with my back ground with ancestors worship, RCC, Pentecostal and 2x2s, my time in the work! Jesus Christ from Interior planet of Venus/heaven; Valiant Thor and the hollow earth and Venus. It’s going to be Part I,II and III. |
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Post by xna on Feb 5, 2024 15:53:01 GMT -5
Why are you chicken? What do you have to lose? I am NOT a good public speaker! I have enough practice with my customers the last 13 years, I think I will be OK, now to do the Interview on the podcast. if the opportunity arise. I would make the podcast an unforgettable experience with my back ground with ancestors worship, RCC, Pentecostal and 2x2s, my time in the work! Jesus Christ from Interior planet of Venus/heaven; Valiant Thor and the hollow earth and Venus. It’s going to be Part I,II and III. Now is your chance to be an "internet worker" by e-mail, or by phone. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 15:58:02 GMT -5
I asked God and Christ about, where are your TRUE ministry/servants (Matthew 10; Luke 20) and people on the earth today?! in 1978. About 2 weeks later, God lead me to Leo Stancliff and Larry, they were having Bible studies on campus lawn at the University for the students, and staff from 12-3PM Monday and Friday. I didn’t know about William Irvine, I KNEW by Revelation from God that His true servants and people ALWAYS have been on the earth! I heard a little bit about William Irvine, John Long and Edward Cooney when I was in the work! William Irvine was a charismatic worker, he problem was with women and they excommunicated him from the ministry. I had read the Secret sect book also. After I left the work in 1993 I read and studied Cherie K. TTT website and I learn a lot from her and especially from John Long Journal and Pattinson account on early days! I knew Cherie didn’t give the readers a complete history of Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant New Testament history. She started with William Irvine as the Founder! But in fact he got the idea from the Faith Mission 2x2 workers group. To answer your question Leo didn’t tell me about William Irvine. Leo Stancliffe preached a false gospel. Leo preached: My hope of salvation is the blood of Christ. But I would like to explain to you what it means. The blood of Christ is the ministry and the church in the home. Without the New Testament ministry you don’t have the blood of Christ which includes the church in the home. The forgiveness of sins is a fringe benefit. - Leo Stancliffe, worker, 1981 No, he didn’t! He got it correct, without the Ministry of the apostles, there wouldn’t be any New Testament Church! Paul and his Co-workers apostolic Itinerant ministry found many churches such as Corinthians Church, Ephesus Church, Galatian Church, Thessalonians Church, Colossians Church and so on. Without the ministry there would be NO! churches meeting in the homes of believers, where Christ’s Passover forgiveness of sins to be held in. Luke 22; Exodus 12. Can anyone explains to me what Leo meant by the forgiveness is a fringe benefit? Thanks. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 16:03:58 GMT -5
I am NOT a good public speaker! I have enough practice with my customers the last 13 years, I think I will be OK, now to do the Interview on the podcast. if the opportunity arise. I would make the podcast an unforgettable experience with my back ground with ancestors worship, RCC, Pentecostal and 2x2s, my time in the work! Jesus Christ from Interior planet of Venus/heaven; Valiant Thor and the hollow earth and Venus. It’s going to be Part I,II and III. Now is your chance to be an "internet worker" by e-mail, or by phone. I have been an Internet worker over 25 years. maybe it’s time for me to take to the next LEVEL! Podcast, eh. Thanks, to the ex-2x2s for making the 2x2s well known through out the world! With the exes books, websites, and podcasts and so on. The true seekers will see beyond the CSA of 2x2s as they have it under control and eliminate the CSA abusers and friends from the most of the meetings where children are presence. Jack Carrol the overseer in Oregon, wanted to be on TV so, the Truth of Jesus would reach more people around the world better than preaching to 5 or no people at all in their gospel meetings back in 1970s. |
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Post by snow on Feb 5, 2024 16:10:45 GMT -5
Why are you chicken? What do you have to lose? I am NOT a good public speaker! I have enough practice with my customers the last 13 years, I think I will be OK, now to do the Interview on the podcast. if the opportunity arise. I would make the podcast an unforgettable experience with my back ground with ancestors worship, RCC, Pentecostal and 2x2s, my time in the work! Jesus Christ from Interior planet of Venus/heaven; Valiant Thor and the hollow earth and Venus. It’s going to be Part I,II and III. Go for it. You're not really talking in front of a lot of people. Just the interviewer. Of course once it airs many people will watch it, but that's not really the same thing. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 16:26:46 GMT -5
I am NOT a good public speaker! I have enough practice with my customers the last 13 years, I think I will be OK, now to do the Interview on the podcast. if the opportunity arise. I would make the podcast an unforgettable experience with my back ground with ancestors worship, RCC, Pentecostal and 2x2s, my time in the work! Jesus Christ from Interior planet of Venus/heaven; Valiant Thor and the hollow earth and Venus. It’s going to be Part I,II and III. Go for it. You're not really talking in front of a lot of people. Just the interviewer. Of course once it airs many people will watch it, but that's not really the same thing. Thanks, snow. If the opportunity comes I will do it, I think now is the right time to take it to the NEXT Level, Podcast is the way to reach thousands and millions people! Jesus Christ is coming soon, people don’t have time to attend series of workers gospel meetings for months! I will give them in a few hours. I like Chris Shelton interviewer! He seems to ask the right kind of questions and he listens. I might go with him. |
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Post by Mary on Feb 5, 2024 16:42:45 GMT -5
Leo Stancliffe preached a false gospel. Leo preached: My hope of salvation is the blood of Christ. But I would like to explain to you what it means. The blood of Christ is the ministry and the church in the home. Without the New Testament ministry you don’t have the blood of Christ which includes the church in the home. The forgiveness of sins is a fringe benefit. - Leo Stancliffe, worker, 1981 No, he didn’t! He got it correct, without the Ministry of the apostles, there wouldn’t be any New Testament Church! Paul and his Co-workers apostolic Itinerant ministry found many churches such as Corinthians Church, Ephesus Church, Galatian Church, Thessalonians Church, Colossians Church and so on. Without the ministry there would be NO! churches meeting in the homes of believers, where Christ’s Passover forgiveness of sins to be held in. Luke 22; Exodus 12. Can anyone explains to me what Leo meant by the forgiveness is a fringe benefit? Thanks. Leo said the blood of Jesus is the ministry and meeting in the home. No, the blood of Jesus is Jesus death on the Cross. What Leo said is the opposite to what you have been saying to Maryhigs. To Christians Jesus saves, not men. Fringe benefit means and extra, something on the edge, not the main part. |
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Post by Mary on Feb 5, 2024 16:53:39 GMT -5
Your founding worker William Irvine wrote:
"The preaching of the blood, the death, and the cross of Christ must not be offered to the ungodly…” He claimed that the Ministry of Reconciliation is a secondary thing or the fact that ‘Jesus who gave Himself a ransom for all…’ is but a Pharisaical delusion.” He claimed that it was secondary to following the ministry mentioned in Matthew 10.
Impartial Reporter, 25th August 1910.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 17:29:39 GMT -5
No, he didn’t! He got it correct, without the Ministry of the apostles, there wouldn’t be any New Testament Church! Paul and his Co-workers apostolic Itinerant ministry found many churches such as Corinthians Church, Ephesus Church, Galatian Church, Thessalonians Church, Colossians Church and so on. Without the ministry there would be NO! churches meeting in the homes of believers, where Christ’s Passover forgiveness of sins to be held in. Luke 22; Exodus 12. Can anyone explains to me what Leo meant by the forgiveness is a fringe benefit? Thanks. Leo said the blood of Jesus is the ministry and meeting in the home. No, the blood of Jesus is Jesus death on the Cross. What Leo said is the opposite to what you have been saying to Maryhigs. To Christians Jesus saves, not men. Fringe benefit means and extra, something on the edge, not the main part. That is NOT what I heard Leo preached at all, sound so foreign to me. I would love to read his whole sermon so, we don’t take things out of context. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 17:35:08 GMT -5
Your founding worker William Irvine wrote: "The preaching of the blood, the death, and the cross of Christ must not be offered to the ungodly…” He claimed that the Ministry of Reconciliation is a secondary thing or the fact that ‘Jesus who gave Himself a ransom for all…’ is but a Pharisaical delusion.” He claimed that it was secondary to following the ministry mentioned in Matthew 10. Impartial Reporter, 25th August 1910. That doesn’t sound right either! The preaching of the cross, death and blood is the ministry of the apostles Matthew 10, Luke 10; Matthew 38 the Great Cmiision to Jews and Gentiles alike, reconciliation between the Godhead and sinners! |
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Post by snow on Feb 5, 2024 17:40:45 GMT -5
Your founding worker William Irvine wrote: "The preaching of the blood, the death, and the cross of Christ must not be offered to the ungodly…” He claimed that the Ministry of Reconciliation is a secondary thing or the fact that ‘Jesus who gave Himself a ransom for all…’ is but a Pharisaical delusion.” He claimed that it was secondary to following the ministry mentioned in Matthew 10. Impartial Reporter, 25th August 1910. That doesn’t sound right either! The preaching of the cross, death and blood is the ministry of the apostles Matthew 10, Luke 10; Matthew 38 the Great Cmiision to Jews and Gentiles alike, reconciliation between the Godhead and sinners! I think you should maybe face the fact that the 2x2's do not believe what you believe and apparently never have. There are other home churches that teach the trinity and grace that you could join I'm sure. |
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Post by fixit on Feb 5, 2024 18:27:24 GMT -5
Why are you chicken? What do you have to lose? I am NOT a good public speaker! I have enough practice with my customers the last 13 years, I think I will be OK, now to do the Interview on the podcast. if the opportunity arise. I would make the podcast an unforgettable experience with my back ground with ancestors worship, RCC, Pentecostal and 2x2s, my time in the work! Jesus Christ from Interior planet of Venus/heaven; Valiant Thor and the hollow earth and Venus. It’s going to be Part I,II and III. You should write a book. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 18:42:33 GMT -5
That doesn’t sound right either! The preaching of the cross, death and blood is the ministry of the apostles Matthew 10, Luke 10; Matthew 38 the Great Cmiision to Jews and Gentiles alike, reconciliation between the Godhead and sinners! I think you should maybe face the fact that the 2x2's do not believe what you believe and apparently never have. There are other home churches that teach the trinity and grace that you could join I'm sure. The podcast will alert the current workers and friends KNOW that the early days workers and friends believed and taught the Trinity; Jesus is God the Christ NOT God the Father for 70 years. Then the overseers, senior workers changed all of that and they became anti-Trinity and Jesus is NOT God believers! The friends and workers didn’t question why? The changes. Now, is a good time to bring up this subject so the friends can and will revert back to early days workers belief on the Trinity so, it makes the Triune God/Trinity on Sunday more meaningful. To KNOW who they are Praying and worshipping to. |
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 18:47:01 GMT -5
I am NOT a good public speaker! I have enough practice with my customers the last 13 years, I think I will be OK, now to do the Interview on the podcast. if the opportunity arise. I would make the podcast an unforgettable experience with my back ground with ancestors worship, RCC, Pentecostal and 2x2s, my time in the work! Jesus Christ from Interior planet of Venus/heaven; Valiant Thor and the hollow earth and Venus. It’s going to be Part I,II and III. You should write a book. It would be the best seller!  There is nothing like that out there. One of the senior workers memorized my testimony words for words closed enough because he heard so many times, on his convention tours he shared it with the workers and the friends. |
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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 5, 2024 19:29:51 GMT -5
This is remarkable—in that Jack Carroll died in 1957.
(sigh) ...still can't get your "facts" straight...
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 5, 2024 19:35:21 GMT -5
This is remarkable—in that Jack Carroll died in 1957. (sigh) ...still can't get your "facts" straight... Hey, you are alive! Welcome back. Long time no see. Yes, nobody is perfect you know. I can’t get all the workers years correctly every time. I am too lazy to look it up. Please, forgive me. By the way, when are you going to get your “facts” straight on William Irvine did NOT start the 2x2 in 1987 on TTT Website. He was still a Faith mission preacher and making converts for them in 1897. I just wondering when are you going to change the year? It has been over 20 years now. |
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