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Post by chuck on Jun 28, 2022 22:35:30 GMT -5
What im trying to show is they are not new interpretations at all. Its been a misinterpretation all along by westerners fuel by the church for various reason. Whay I try so say is this is how the Hebrew people 2000yrs ago understood it and it's nothing like the majority understand it today at face value when read. The reason being the massive cultural/linguistic differences but no one seems to want to except that maybe the bible is not actually describing the big man in the sky but something entirely different that is still relevant today. I understand your perspective. When I said "new" it is "new" to me, not a "new" idea. Thanks.
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Post by mrdobalina on Jun 29, 2022 0:18:54 GMT -5
"Reading it through our cultural awareness is quite often ignoring what is written" so you near enough did say that. I'm a practical minded person, I read what is written & work with my hands, I probably have some kind of high functioning dyslexia, (no problem with spelling or grammar) however all the other symptoms are there, so it's probably some kind of block on my part that dosent let me see things your way. Good luck with your methods, they simply don't work for me. It 2000+ year old literature. Its no different to a collection of literature gathered from today and then people from a foreign culture reading that collection of books in 2000 years. Sure if they translate it into whatever ever language they use it will be readable, but that does not carry across any of the cultural intent and what was going on at the time, for example they would read in letter how Jonny bought Betty a new house and it cost him an arm and a leg......they'd be like this guy loved her so much he gave up a arm and a leg to buy her a house that real commitment.....did Jonny really cut off a arm and a leg to but betty a house........that's what the words of the page say to them....... I hope you don't think I think your stupid as that is not my angle. I don't think you're calling me stupid, and I certainly don't think you are. My world is practical, hands on, and very black or white, right or wrong, with few grey areas. It simplifys things and is a coping skill. I simply can't fathom the bible & any part of it confounds my straightforward thinking within seconds.
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Post by chuck on Jun 29, 2022 2:44:56 GMT -5
It 2000+ year old literature. Its no different to a collection of literature gathered from today and then people from a foreign culture reading that collection of books in 2000 years. Sure if they translate it into whatever ever language they use it will be readable, but that does not carry across any of the cultural intent and what was going on at the time, for example they would read in letter how Jonny bought Betty a new house and it cost him an arm and a leg......they'd be like this guy loved her so much he gave up a arm and a leg to buy her a house that real commitment.....did Jonny really cut off a arm and a leg to but betty a house........that's what the words of the page say to them....... I hope you don't think I think your stupid as that is not my angle. I don't think you're calling me stupid, and I certainly don't think you are. My world is practical, hands on, and very black or white, right or wrong, with few grey areas. It simplifys things and is a coping skill. I simply can't fathom the bible & any part of it confounds my straightforward thinking within seconds. That's because of Religion, in particular the western church. If you had been taught it from a cultural perspective the same "hands on" mrdobalina would fathom it just fine and you would not have had to perform religious rituals and believe in dudes in the sky. Now this does not mean you need to even read it if you dont want as you have expressed, I cant blame you, all I'm saying it is dont just rubbish it because someone wielded it as a weapon to make you hate it and see it in only one particular light, there is another side to it that is removed from the ugliness of religion... Religion is like politicians, they think we need them to succeed.....
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Post by fixit on Jun 29, 2022 4:17:29 GMT -5
I haven't read the Iliad, but I expect you would need some understanding of ancient Greek language and culture to get the best from it. Your arm and a leg example is helpful chuck.
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Post by chuck on Jun 29, 2022 6:18:01 GMT -5
I haven't read the Iliad, but I expect you would need some understanding of ancient Greek language and culture to get the best from it. Your arm and a leg example is helpful chuck. And now think about wally and Nathan threatening me with Luke 16......... They could probably all see the smoke from the fires of Gehenna/rubbish dump/Hell when Jesus told this parable......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 7:04:13 GMT -5
I haven't read the Iliad, but I expect you would need some understanding of ancient Greek language and culture to get the best from it. Your arm and a leg example is helpful chuck . And now think about wally and Nathan threatening me with Luke 16......... They could probably all see the smoke from the fires of Gehenna/rubbish dump/Hell when Jesus told this parable...... It wasn't a parable...
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Post by verna on Jun 29, 2022 10:36:03 GMT -5
And now think about wally and Nathan threatening me with Luke 16......... They could probably all see the smoke from the fires of Gehenna/rubbish dump/Hell when Jesus told this parable...... It wasn't a parable... So Wally, do you consider chucks’s arm and leg example a parable?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 10:57:49 GMT -5
So Wally, do you consider chucks’s arm and leg example a parable? No, anything that comes out of chucks mouth is questionable at best....
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Post by verna on Jun 29, 2022 10:59:12 GMT -5
So Wally, do you consider chucks’s arm and leg example a parable? No, anything that comes out of chucks mouth is questionable at best.... In your opinion.
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Post by help on Jun 29, 2022 16:11:09 GMT -5
Some religious people become very judgemental.They base everything on what religious teachings tell them to do. They lose the ability to absorb new, evolving ideas and consciousness and become a product of their self-limited thoughts. They lack real World experience because so many of their teachings prevent them from learning through experience since mostly everything is considered either good or bad. Unfortunately it puts them out of step with normal people.
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Post by xna on Jun 29, 2022 16:35:12 GMT -5
Some religious people become very judgemental.They base everything on what religious teachings tell them to do. They lose the ability to absorb new, evolving ideas and consciousness and become a product of their self-limited thoughts. They lack real World experience because so many of their teachings prevent them from learning through experience since mostly everything is considered either good or bad. Unfortunately it puts them out of step with normal people. But isn't this what the bible instructs?
Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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Post by help on Jun 29, 2022 16:54:43 GMT -5
Sometimes common sense is a better guide.
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Post by Grant on Jun 29, 2022 18:57:35 GMT -5
Some religious people become very judgemental.They base everything on what religious teachings tell them to do. They lose the ability to absorb new, evolving ideas and consciousness and become a product of their self-limited thoughts. They lack real World experience because so many of their teachings prevent them from learning through experience since mostly everything is considered either good or bad. Unfortunately it puts them out of step with normal people. I am finding on the board the non religious to be just as judgemental and closed minded as the religious.
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 29, 2022 18:58:22 GMT -5
I haven't read the Iliad, but I expect you would need some understanding of ancient Greek language and culture to get the best from it. Your arm and a leg example is helpful chuck . If you try talking to an actual christian someday, they would tell you that the holy spirit interprets scripture for them. Not a history professor. Interestingly the holy spirit never seems to teach them anything about ancient languages and culture. Doesn't that tell you that it isn't important?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 19:02:10 GMT -5
Some religious people become very judgemental.They base everything on what religious teachings tell them to do. They lose the ability to absorb new, evolving ideas and consciousness and become a product of their self-limited thoughts. They lack real World experience because so many of their teachings prevent them from learning through experience since mostly everything is considered either good or bad. Unfortunately it puts them out of step with normal people. That might be your judgmental opinion but it wouldn't necessarily be fact....
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 29, 2022 20:18:56 GMT -5
Some religious people become very judgemental.They base everything on what religious teachings tell them to do. They lose the ability to absorb new, evolving ideas and consciousness and become a product of their self-limited thoughts. They lack real World experience because so many of their teachings prevent them from learning through experience since mostly everything is considered either good or bad. Unfortunately it puts them out of step with normal people. That might be your judgmental opinion but it wouldn't necessarily be fact.... The key word is "Some".
Some non-religious people also fall into this category.
I think people form these views of one another depending on their exposure. If someone finds judgementalism a problem, and is primarily mixing in the circle of religious people, then the judgement may be formed that some religious people are judgemental.
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Post by Grant on Jun 29, 2022 20:46:09 GMT -5
I haven't read the Iliad, but I expect you would need some understanding of ancient Greek language and culture to get the best from it. Your arm and a leg example is helpful chuck . If you try talking to an actual christian someday, they would tell you that the holy spirit interprets scripture for them. Not a history professor. Interestingly the holy spirit never seems to teach them anything about ancient languages and culture. Doesn't that tell you that it isn't important? Maybe a course at Bible or Theological College would help educate you in this regard. Don't forget to request these papers be added to your studies.
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 29, 2022 21:47:23 GMT -5
If you try talking to an actual christian someday, they would tell you that the holy spirit interprets scripture for them. Not a history professor. Interestingly the holy spirit never seems to teach them anything about ancient languages and culture. Doesn't that tell you that it isn't important? Maybe a course at Bible or Theological College would help educate you in this regard. Don't forget to request these papers be added to your studies. I'm afraid I'm too much of a sinner for that. Wicked ones like me attend real universities. nypost.com/2020/08/25/inside-the-strict-honor-code-at-jerry-falwell-jr-s-liberty-university/
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 29, 2022 22:21:03 GMT -5
Two points: You need a pool boy. Rupert Murdoch is the owner of NYP. He has made a fortune out of gullible people.
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Post by chuck on Jun 29, 2022 23:57:09 GMT -5
Some religious people become very judgemental.They base everything on what religious teachings tell them to do. They lose the ability to absorb new, evolving ideas and consciousness and become a product of their self-limited thoughts. They lack real World experience because so many of their teachings prevent them from learning through experience since mostly everything is considered either good or bad. Unfortunately it puts them out of step with normal people. But isn't this what the bible instructs?
Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding Capital LORD, Trust in the gracious compassionate slow to anger and abounding in love and forgiveness character and dont always lean towards your own selfish wisdom.......
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Post by Umfolozi on Apr 5, 2023 18:02:30 GMT -5
"Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel, excellent book describing a thorough investigation by a atheist to proof Christianity is just a legend, but he found the facts for Christianity overwhelming and converted to Christianity.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 5, 2023 21:20:09 GMT -5
"Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel, excellent book describing a thorough investigation by a atheist to proof Christianity is just a legend, but he found the facts for Christianity overwhelming and converted to Christianity. They're a dime a dozen.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 6, 2023 1:15:31 GMT -5
"Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel, excellent book describing a thorough investigation by a atheist to proof Christianity is just a legend, but he found the facts for Christianity overwhelming and converted to Christianity. They're a dime a dozen. He obviously does not understand basic physics.
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Post by mountain on Apr 6, 2023 2:57:03 GMT -5
If you try talking to an actual christian someday, they would tell you that the holy spirit interprets scripture for them. Not a history professor. Interestingly the holy spirit never seems to teach them anything about ancient languages and culture. Doesn't that tell you that it isn't important? Maybe a course at Bible or Theological College would help educate you in this regard. Don't forget to request these papers be added to your studies. Doesn't the Bible tell us that from the time Jesus was 12 he grew in wisdom, BOTH with God and man!
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Post by believingjesus on Apr 6, 2023 14:41:09 GMT -5
I haven't read the Iliad, but I expect you would need some understanding of ancient Greek language and culture to get the best from it. Your arm and a leg example is helpful chuck . If you try talking to an actual christian someday, they would tell you that the holy spirit interprets scripture for them. Not a history professor. Interestingly the holy spirit never seems to teach them anything about ancient languages and culture. Doesn't that tell you that it isn't important? Somehow the holy spirit doesn’t manage to reveal who among them are sexual predators either.
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Post by Umfolozi on Apr 6, 2023 15:52:59 GMT -5
I mentioned that book specific to encourage atheist to read it, Christianity are proven to be absolutely true.I personally got my revelation from God. It might be a cheap book but if it can help any atheist to turn to God as it did for the author, it is priceless.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 6, 2023 16:06:34 GMT -5
I mentioned that book specific to encourage atheist to read it, Christianity are proven to be absolutely true.I personally got my revelation from God. It might be a cheap book but if it can help any atheist to turn to God as it did for the author, it is priceless. Thanks, but I will continue to read books on astronomy, physics, biology, botany, geology, chemistry and any others that have verifiable facts in them.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 6, 2023 16:36:31 GMT -5
I mentioned that book specific to encourage atheist to read it, Christianity are proven to be absolutely true.I personally got my revelation from God. It might be a cheap book but if it can help any atheist to turn to God as it did for the author, it is priceless. Placebos are all cheap.
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