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Post by CherieKropp on Jun 21, 2022 8:57:40 GMT -5
Announcing my new website: Expressions by Ex-2x2s! LINK: Ex2x2.infoShort abbreviation: EXP
Homepage: Welcome to Expressions by Ex-2x2s ~ Views and Voices of Ex-2x2s ~ Time to Tell the Truth This Pro-Christian website is a collection of over 400 documents written by former followers (called Ex-2x2s) of a worldwide, non-denominational Christian church/fellowship which claims it takes no name. Common nicknames are: The Truth, The Meetings, The Way, Friends and Workers Fellowship, Two by Twos (Wikipedia), 2x2s, Cooneyites, The Fold and many others. Their privately published hymnal is Hymns Old and New. For further details, see Fact Sheet for the Church without a Name. The Ex-2x2s are not an organized group with a leader and a unified purpose or agenda. They do not share core beliefs. The common bond is their earlier association with and exit from the Two by Two Church. Those curious as to why many have and continue to leave will find this website informative. …a time to keep silence, and a time to speak (Ecclesiastes 3:7) Here, Ex-2x2s candidly disclose their experiences, reflections and perspectives. Sharing their pain, suffering, disappointments and injustices, they reveal why they left the 2×2 Church in stories, letters and poetry. Telling what they would like others to know, and what they wish they had known, has been therapeutic for many. Revealing their personal struggles in the process of leaving the 2×2 Church behind and moving out into the outside world, the Ex-2x2s provide valuable insight, support, understanding and encouragement for many others. Validation through reading the experiences expressed by someone who has “been there” has brought peace to many. The relief in discovering they were not alone, not the only one with doubts, were not crazy, and that others have made it through similar experiences has helped many find the answers they were seeking and alleviate guilt, shame or fear. Most Ex-2x2s would agree that only someone who has gone through the process of leaving the 2×2 Church, can fully understand—outsiders cannot. And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:32)
This website is an updated, rebranded version of The Liberty Connection (TLC) website that went offline three years ago Edited first line to include word "Pro-Christian."
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Post by help on Jun 21, 2022 9:45:54 GMT -5
Thanks Cherie, that will help many in those first days when they leave. Many of us have been scarred for life, not only because of the unnatural way we were made to live our daily lives, but also our contempt and disdain for other Christians.
We are not bitter, we can forgive, but we won't forget.
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Post by matisse on Jun 21, 2022 9:53:14 GMT -5
Does this site exclude the voices of ex-2x2s who have not remained Christians?
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Post by CherieKropp on Jun 21, 2022 14:56:09 GMT -5
Agnostics permitted.
Atheist not permitted.
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Post by intelchips on Jun 21, 2022 15:28:53 GMT -5
Agnostics permitted. Atheist not permitted. dang
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Post by xna on Jun 21, 2022 17:14:04 GMT -5
Agnostics permitted. Atheist not permitted. dang The secret sect.
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Post by fixit on Jun 21, 2022 17:25:15 GMT -5
This suggests the trinity is a man-made theory? NOTE: It is interesting that almost all of the born and raised Ex-2x2s were shown the trinity concept by someone else. In other words, they didn’t pick it up from others in meetings, from their parents, or through their personal Bible studies—it was originally explained it to them by a person or book.ex2x2.info/2022/06/18/relationship-between-jesus-and-god/
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 21, 2022 18:42:15 GMT -5
This suggests the trinity is a man-made theory? NOTE: It is interesting that almost all of the born and raised Ex-2x2s were shown the trinity concept by someone else. In other words, they didn’t pick it up from others in meetings, from their parents, or through their personal Bible studies—it was originally explained it to them by a person or book.ex2x2.info/2022/06/18/relationship-between-jesus-and-god/Precisely.
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Post by matisse on Jun 21, 2022 18:54:20 GMT -5
Agnostics permitted. Atheist not permitted. So there is a purposeful bias and exclusion of the stories of a significant sub-group of ex-2x2s. You make no mention of this on the site, that I can see (correct me if I am wrong). It is your website, so you can do what you want. This, however, strikes me as a lapse of honesty on your part to not make your method clear to the reader.
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Post by intelchips on Jun 21, 2022 18:56:41 GMT -5
Agnostics permitted. Atheist not permitted. So there is a purposeful bias and exclusion of the stories of a significant sub-group of ex-2x2s. You make no mention of this on the site, that I can see (correct me if I am wrong). It is your website, so you can do what you want. This, however, strikes me as a lapse of honesty on your part to not make your method clear to the reader. I think she meant it as a joke
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Post by matisse on Jun 21, 2022 18:59:13 GMT -5
So there is a purposeful bias and exclusion of the stories of a significant sub-group of ex-2x2s. You make no mention of this on the site, that I can see (correct me if I am wrong). It is your website, so you can do what you want. This, however, strikes me as a lapse of honesty on your part to not make your method clear to the reader. I think she meant it as a joke It was no joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 19:02:17 GMT -5
This suggests the trinity is a man-made theory? NOTE: It is interesting that almost all of the born and raised Ex-2x2s were shown the trinity concept by someone else. In other words, they didn’t pick it up from others in meetings, from their parents, or through their personal Bible studies—it was originally explained it to them by a person or book.ex2x2.info/2022/06/18/relationship-between-jesus-and-god/I got it from my professing Grandparents and Aunt.
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Post by intelchips on Jun 21, 2022 19:05:34 GMT -5
I think she meant it as a joke It was no joke. I've known Cherry to be tolerate of others beliefs/non-beliefs as long as they are polite and tolerant in return. I fear you do her an injustice.
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Post by verna on Jun 21, 2022 19:12:18 GMT -5
I've known Cherry to be tolerate of others beliefs/non-beliefs as long as they are polite and tolerant in return. I fear you do her an injustice. Once again I’m confused and it is not by you intelchips. As far as I can see this is not a forum but simply a website. Don’t see anywhere where anyone would be excluded.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 19:14:58 GMT -5
I've known Cherry to be tolerate of others beliefs/non-beliefs as long as they are polite and tolerant in return. I fear you do her an injustice. Once again I’m confused and it is not by you intelchips. As far as I can see this is not a forum but simply a website. Don’t see anywhere where anyone would be excluded. Atheist exit letters or stories would not be allowed I believe...
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Post by verna on Jun 21, 2022 19:18:07 GMT -5
Once again I’m confused and it is not by you intelchips. As far as I can see this is not a forum but simply a website. Don’t see anywhere where anyone would be excluded. Atheist exit letters or stories would not be allowed I believe... Oh ok. Hmm. Bizarre.
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Post by matisse on Jun 21, 2022 19:19:54 GMT -5
I've known Cherry to be tolerate of others beliefs/non-beliefs as long as they are polite and tolerant in return. I fear you do her an injustice. Once again I’m confused and it is not by you intelchips. As far as I can see this is not a forum but simply a website. Don’t see anywhere where anyone would be excluded. She will never publish an account of my experience as an ex-2x2 (or snows, or dmmichgood's, or rational's, or Matt10's...) because my path led me to atheism. The stories of atheist ex-2x2's are purposefully excluded from the site.
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Post by verna on Jun 21, 2022 19:36:51 GMT -5
Once again I’m confused and it is not by you intelchips. As far as I can see this is not a forum but simply a website. Don’t see anywhere where anyone would be excluded. She will never publish an account of my experience as an ex-2x2 (or snows, or dmmichgood's, or rational's, or Matt10's...) because my path led me to atheism. The stories of atheist ex-2x2's are purposefully excluded from the site. I’m not an atheist but I could just have easily been and hey - could well be in the future. I don’t really understand this prejudice. Trauma is trauma.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 21, 2022 22:01:07 GMT -5
Once again I’m confused and it is not by you intelchips. As far as I can see this is not a forum but simply a website. Don’t see anywhere where anyone would be excluded. She will never publish an account of my experience as an ex-2x2 (or snows, or dmmichgood's, or rational's, or Matt10's...) because my path led me to atheism. The stories of atheist ex-2x2's are purposefully excluded from the site. Atheism is the natural conclusion reached from reading the bible with an open and honest mind.
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Post by fixit on Jun 21, 2022 22:20:11 GMT -5
She will never publish an account of my experience as an ex-2x2 (or snows, or dmmichgood's, or rational's, or Matt10's...) because my path led me to atheism. The stories of atheist ex-2x2's are purposefully excluded from the site. Atheism is the natural conclusion reached from reading the bible with an open and honest mind. ....with a Western mind but not understanding the people who wrote the bible.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 21, 2022 22:25:00 GMT -5
Atheism is the natural conclusion reached from reading the bible with an open and honest mind. ....with a Western mind but not understanding the people who wrote the bible. The conclusion would be the same. While it may represent the culture of a particular people, the facts of many of the events recorded in the bible are not possible. So it's relegated to mythology, maybe useful for some people who need some guidance in their lives.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 22:45:29 GMT -5
She will never publish an account of my experience as an ex-2x2 (or snows, or dmmichgood's, or rational's, or Matt10's...) because my path led me to atheism. The stories of atheist ex-2x2's are purposefully excluded from the site. Atheism is the natural conclusion reached from reading the bible with an open and honest mind. Roughly 2.4 billion Christians did not reach that conclusion and they are no less open and honest minded than atheists. Argumentum ad populum may apply...
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Post by Dan on Jun 22, 2022 0:33:06 GMT -5
This suggests the trinity is a man-made theory? NOTE: It is interesting that almost all of the born and raised Ex-2x2s were shown the trinity concept by someone else. In other words, they didn’t pick it up from others in meetings, from their parents, or through their personal Bible studies—it was originally explained it to them by a person or book.ex2x2.info/2022/06/18/relationship-between-jesus-and-god/
I got it from the bible, "We are not stoning you for any good work, but for blasphemy, because you a mere man claim to be God" (John 10 :33 NIV).
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Post by fixit on Jun 22, 2022 1:20:45 GMT -5
This suggests the trinity is a man-made theory? NOTE: It is interesting that almost all of the born and raised Ex-2x2s were shown the trinity concept by someone else. In other words, they didn’t pick it up from others in meetings, from their parents, or through their personal Bible studies—it was originally explained it to them by a person or book.ex2x2.info/2022/06/18/relationship-between-jesus-and-god/ I got it from the bible, "We are not stoning you for any good work, but for blasphemy, because you a mere man claim to be God" (John 10 :33 NIV).
If someone accused you of claiming to be God, is that proof that you are God?
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Post by mountain on Jun 22, 2022 5:40:26 GMT -5
I got it from the bible, "We are not stoning you for any good work, but for blasphemy, because you a mere man claim to be God" (John 10 :33 NIV).
If someone accused you of claiming to be God, is that proof that you are God? Jesus never claimed to be God. He claimed to be the Son of God. Basically a human being son was ultimately regarded as being the same as his father through eventual heir and inheritance. Also, those who spoke the word of God were Gods through having the authority to speak the word of God. Jesus clarified the mistake the Pharisees made by stating he was the 'Son of God,' not God himself. They knew he was a mere man and not God himself.
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 22, 2022 6:38:15 GMT -5
She will never publish an account of my experience as an ex-2x2 (or snows, or dmmichgood's, or rational's, or Matt10's...) because my path led me to atheism. The stories of atheist ex-2x2's are purposefully excluded from the site. I’m not an atheist but I could just have easily been and hey - could well be in the future. I don’t really understand this prejudice. Trauma is trauma. God instills the same views and mind of Christ in believers, regardless of whether they are "in-your-face" or reserved and quiet. Atheists are human garbage.
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Post by xna on Jun 22, 2022 7:37:41 GMT -5
I've known Cherry to be tolerate of others beliefs/non-beliefs as long as they are polite and tolerant in return. I fear you do her an injustice. As can be seen on this forum, many that left the 2x2 became atheists. This is an important part of the 2x2 story.
Cherry has every right to omit this group, or any group on a webpage or book, but if this significant group is omitted without disclosure, it will be a distorted an incomplete work on the history of the 2x2.
Let's hope it's a joke, because I find her other work so far has had professional credibility.
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Post by intelchips on Jun 22, 2022 8:38:41 GMT -5
I've known Cherry to be tolerate of others beliefs/non-beliefs as long as they are polite and tolerant in return. I fear you do her an injustice. As can be seen on this forum, many that left the 2x2 became atheists. This is an important part of the 2x2 story.
Cherry has every right to omit this group, or any group on a webpage or book, but if this significant group is omitted without disclosure, it will be a distorted an incomplete work on the history of the 2x2.
Let's hope it's a joke, because I find her other work so far has had professional credibility.Perhaps we should take a deeper look into this. I'm thinking when using the term atheists that would have to preclude science. What is an atheist? One who denies the existence of God, or of a supreme intelligent being. A godless man; one who disregards his duty to God. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being. If any particular god remains hidden or untestable then a person with a scientific bent can't really say they can copper their bet that god doesn't exists. So perhaps all atheists are really agnostic unless they are mental handclapped? If this is true problem solved and Cherry can go on doing her work without our quizzing her over it.
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