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Post by intelchips on Nov 20, 2020 12:48:13 GMT -5
You say we are making "God" into a monster as a "justification" for not wanting to "accept or believe in him." You was taught and indoctrinated to believe in the 'god' of the bible as a child were you not? Indeed so was I
But do you still believe everything that you were taught as a child is still true? Have you not learned that some things are different than what you were taught?
Some of us have learned that not everything we were taught as children is true and accurate. Why do you feel that you need to demean what we believe is just an emotional justification
As an atheist, I can tell that it has nothing to do "willfully rejecting" a god. In fact it was painful to give up one's preconceived comfortable ideas that everything was under control even if we might not understand but we didn't really need to worry about it. Just believe
Its my contention that some here have a disdain for the biblical God, so I believe it is partly why they reject Him.
Yes there is religious indoctrination, but I view the bible as the unchanging word of God.
Imo, a person with free will can only 'willfully' reject God, no one can force you to reject Him.
I've never considered the bible to be 'preconceived comfortable ideas', but rather the unadulterated truth.
There is a flood story where a god decides to destroy the world with water because people were not doing what they're suppose to do. They were causing trouble therefore the world had to be cleansed. However, if one looks at Genesis 6 there where these giants called Nephilim and it is they whom are running around and they are causing the trouble and they are the reason the world needs to be destroyed with water. From the sources available to me it's a bit unclear why the world needs to be destroyed but none-the-less it must be done. Noah is the person tasked with gathering up all the animals and building a boat so that the world can be restocked after the flood recedes. Please note that this story is not unique to the bible and it is not recognized in this form worldwide. For example in Japan their flood story is based on a tsunami. If one studies Peruvian myth stories they find the people whom live in the mountains don't have their own flood story so they incorporate one from the people who live on the coast. Noah's story can be traced back to about 5000 years (around 2,900 bc) and when tracing it back that far we find an actual historical event connected to a city called Shurapak (a city on the Euphrates river) due to a flash flood that caused great tragedy and that made such an impact on the local society they developed a myth call Atrahasis. Which is very similar to the Noah story. This myth story spread and grew until it became known as the story of Zia Sudra, which added on more details and spread furtherer away. After the story traveled and grew it became known as the story of a man named Uttana Pishtim. Then, some people were collecting stories primarily about a king named Gilgamesh and then a strange thing happened. The story became mass produced on clay tablets and spread even further, so much so that the story was no-longer a small area story. Thus, the story landed on multiple continents and was translated into multiple languages. Eventual the story of the epic of Gilgamesh with the tale of the myth of Uttana Pishtim reached all the way into Israel. Please explain god's unadulterated truth to me again!
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Post by nathan on Nov 20, 2020 16:38:06 GMT -5
The world wide flood was foretold 200 yrs plus by God to Enoch, the great grandfather of Noah.
And the world wide flood came in the days of Noah. In the days of Jare the grandfather of Enoch 200 human looking fallen angels had intercourse with human women to create the Nephilims/ giants. They mixed the humans DNA with the animals, reptitles, apes birds, dog, werewolf, bats, Fish and so on.
The Nephlimsgiants were eaten the humans and their blood/souls cried unto God for vengeance. The Nephilims wanted to wipe out the whole humans race so the Messiah couldn't be begotten and to pay for our sins on Calvary Cross.
God used the world wide flood to kill the Nephilims and evil beings/creatures that Satan and the fallen angels had created on the earth.
Many of the Nephilims hid underground caves after the flood they came up and restarted the Nephilims/giants race again. 7 giants races were living in the promised land when Children of Israel arrived.
They fought these giants for 100s of years and took their lands from them and Jesus the Messiah was begotten 2000 yrs ago in Israel/Bethlehem.
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Post by intelchips on Nov 20, 2020 21:35:38 GMT -5
The world wide flood was foretold 200 yrs plus by God to Enoch, the great grandfather of Noah. And the world wide flood came in the days of Noah. In the days of Jare the grandfather of Enoch 200 human looking fallen angels had intercourse with human women to create the Nephilims/ giants. They mixed the humans DNA with the animals, reptitles, apes birds, dog, werewolf, bats, Fish and so on. The Nephlimsgiants were eaten the humans and their blood/souls cried unto God for vengeance. The Nephilims wanted to wipe out the whole humans race so the Messiah couldn't be begotten and to pay for our sins on Calvary Cross. God used the world wide flood to kill the Nephilims and evil beings/creatures that Satan and the fallen angels had created on the earth. Many of the Nephilims hid underground caves after the flood they came up and restarted the Nephilims/giants race again. 7 giants races were living in the promised land when Children of Israel arrived. They fought these giants for 100s of years and took their lands from them and Jesus the Messiah was begotten 2000 yrs ago in Israel/Bethlehem. Did you not understand a single thing I shared above? What you say is total fiction. Your dates don't even line up.
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Post by nathan on Nov 20, 2020 21:51:48 GMT -5
The world wide flood was foretold 200 yrs plus by God to Enoch, the great grandfather of Noah. And the world wide flood came in the days of Noah. In the days of Jare the grandfather of Enoch 200 human looking fallen angels had intercourse with human women to create the Nephilims/ giants. They mixed the humans DNA with the animals, reptitles, apes birds, dog, werewolf, bats, Fish and so on. The Nephlimsgiants were eaten the humans and their blood/souls cried unto God for vengeance. The Nephilims wanted to wipe out the whole humans race so the Messiah couldn't be begotten and to pay for our sins on Calvary Cross. God used the world wide flood to kill the Nephilims and evil beings/creatures that Satan and the fallen angels had created on the earth. Many of the Nephilims hid underground caves after the flood they came up and restarted the Nephilims/giants race again. 7 giants races were living in the promised land when Children of Israel arrived. They fought these giants for 100s of years and took their lands from them and Jesus the Messiah was begotten 2000 yrs ago in Israel/Bethlehem. Did you not understand a single thing I shared above? What you say is total fiction. Your dates don't even line up. NOPE, not fiction. This is historical fact from the book of Enoch, and the Bible.
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Post by Dan on Nov 20, 2020 23:17:01 GMT -5
Its my contention that some here have a disdain for the biblical God, so I believe it is partly why they reject Him.
Yes there is religious indoctrination, but I view the bible as the unchanging word of God.
Imo, a person with free will can only 'willfully' reject God, no one can force you to reject Him.
I've never considered the bible to be 'preconceived comfortable ideas', but rather the unadulterated truth.
There is a flood story where a god decides to destroy the world with water because people were not doing what they're suppose to do. They were causing trouble therefore the world had to be cleansed. However, if one looks at Genesis 6 there where these giants called Nephilim and it is they whom are running around and they are causing the trouble and they are the reason the world needs to be destroyed with water. From the sources available to me it's a bit unclear why the world needs to be destroyed but none-the-less it must be done. Noah is the person tasked with gathering up all the animals and building a boat so that the world can be restocked after the flood recedes. Please note that this story is not unique to the bible and it is not recognized in this form worldwide. For example in Japan their flood story is based on a tsunami. If one studies Peruvian myth stories they find the people whom live in the mountains don't have their own flood story so they incorporate one from the people who live on the coast. Noah's story can be traced back to about 5000 years (around 2,900 bc) and when tracing it back that far we find an actual historical event connected to a city called Shurapak (a city on the Euphrates river) due to a flash flood that caused great tragedy and that made such an impact on the local society they developed a myth call Atrahasis. Which is very similar to the Noah story. This myth story spread and grew until it became known as the story of Zia Sudra, which added on more details and spread furtherer away. After the story traveled and grew it became known as the story of a man named Uttana Pishtim. Then, some people were collecting stories primarily about a king named Gilgamesh and then a strange thing happened. The story became mass produced on clay tablets and spread even further, so much so that the story was no-longer a small area story. Thus, the story landed on multiple continents and was translated into multiple languages. Eventual the story of the epic of Gilgamesh with the tale of the myth of Uttana Pishtim reached all the way into Israel. Please explain god's unadulterated truth to me again!
To me the Epic of Gilgamesh, (written c. 2150-1400 BCE) , just gives more credibility to the biblical story. The fact that others recorded that a huge flood occurred serves as confirmation that it actually happened. I'm sure some have embellished the story, but multiple recordings of the event would indicate that a great flood actually happened. While it may be true that Moses wrote Genesis around 1445 BC, he received it by revelation, so the dates aren't really relative, except that the stories all date the same flood from about 5000 years ago. The same history from different areas, different cultures, and in different languages, would seem to eliminate the odds of the flood just being a mythological tale.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 20, 2020 23:27:07 GMT -5
There is a flood story where a god decides to destroy the world with water because people were not doing what they're suppose to do. They were causing trouble therefore the world had to be cleansed. However, if one looks at Genesis 6 there where these giants called Nephilim and it is they whom are running around and they are causing the trouble and they are the reason the world needs to be destroyed with water. From the sources available to me it's a bit unclear why the world needs to be destroyed but none-the-less it must be done. Noah is the person tasked with gathering up all the animals and building a boat so that the world can be restocked after the flood recedes. Please note that this story is not unique to the bible and it is not recognized in this form worldwide. For example in Japan their flood story is based on a tsunami. If one studies Peruvian myth stories they find the people whom live in the mountains don't have their own flood story so they incorporate one from the people who live on the coast. Noah's story can be traced back to about 5000 years (around 2,900 bc) and when tracing it back that far we find an actual historical event connected to a city called Shurapak (a city on the Euphrates river) due to a flash flood that caused great tragedy and that made such an impact on the local society they developed a myth call Atrahasis. Which is very similar to the Noah story. This myth story spread and grew until it became known as the story of Zia Sudra, which added on more details and spread furtherer away. After the story traveled and grew it became known as the story of a man named Uttana Pishtim. Then, some people were collecting stories primarily about a king named Gilgamesh and then a strange thing happened. The story became mass produced on clay tablets and spread even further, so much so that the story was no-longer a small area story. Thus, the story landed on multiple continents and was translated into multiple languages. Eventual the story of the epic of Gilgamesh with the tale of the myth of Uttana Pishtim reached all the way into Israel. Please explain god's unadulterated truth to me again! To me the Epic of Gilgamesh, (written c. 2150-1400 BCE) , just gives more credibility to the biblical story. The fact that others recorded that a huge flood occurred serves as confirmation that it actually happened.
I'm sure some have embellished the story, but multiple recordings of the event would indicate that a great flood actually happened While it may be true that Moses wrote Genesis around 1445 BC, he received it by revelation, so the dates aren't really relative, except that the stories all date the same flood from about 5000 years ago.
The same history from different areas, different cultures, and in different languages, would seem to eliminate the odds of the flood just being a mythological tale.
DAN,
A WORLD WIDE flood? -in all areas of the whole earth at the same time?
You really believe that actually happened?
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Post by nathan on Nov 20, 2020 23:38:15 GMT -5
To me the Epic of Gilgamesh, (written c. 2150-1400 BCE) , just gives more credibility to the biblical story. The fact that others recorded that a huge flood occurred serves as confirmation that it actually happened.
I'm sure some have embellished the story, but multiple recordings of the event would indicate that a great flood actually happened While it may be true that Moses wrote Genesis around 1445 BC, he received it by revelation, so the dates aren't really relative, except that the stories all date the same flood from about 5000 years ago.
The same history from different areas, different cultures, and in different languages, would seem to eliminate the odds of the flood just being a mythological tale.
A WORLD WIDE flood? -in all areas of the whole earth at the same time?
You really believe that actually happened? If the flood was LOCAL, then why built the ark 450 feet long and 75 feet high and with 1000s of animals inside. They could have take a journey to China and get away from the local flood and NOT built a Huge Ark. Just a waste of time 120 years to build the Ark, wouldn't you say?
If the flood it was a local flood how did the ark end up on MT. Ararat?
Mount Ararat · Elevation 16,854 feet (5,137 m)
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 21, 2020 1:06:32 GMT -5
A WORLD WIDE flood? -in all areas of the whole earth at the same time?
You really believe that actually happened? If the flood was LOCAL, then why built the ark 450 feet long and 75 feet high and with 1000s of animals inside. They could have take a journey to China and get away from the local flood and NOT built an Huge Ark. Just a waste of time wouldn't you say?If the flood it was a local flood how did the ark end up on MT. Ararat? Mount Ararat · Elevation 16,854 feet (5,137 m) I was really addressing that post to Dan, Nathan. I just missed putting his name in. I just edited it now to do that.
I have t no doubt that you, Nathan, would believe the story just as it was written in the bible. But to answer your question, "They could have take a journey to China and get away from the local flood and NOT built an Huge Ark. "
Why do think that they wouldn't have done so, Nathan? IF (a big IF) -they even knew a place existed that today we refer to as China ? Do you think they knew that?
You do understand just how little that they knew at that time, don't you? How small the the area was that they even knew existed?
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Post by nathan on Nov 21, 2020 1:57:47 GMT -5
If the flood was LOCAL, then why built the ark 450 feet long and 75 feet high and with 1000s of animals inside. They could have take a journey to China and get away from the local flood and NOT built an Huge Ark. Just a waste of time wouldn't you say?If the flood it was a local flood how did the ark end up on MT. Ararat? Mount Ararat · Elevation 16,854 feet (5,137 m) I was really addressing that post to Dan, Nathan. I just missed putting his name in. I just edited it now to do that.
I have t no doubt that you, Nathan, would believe the story just as it was written in the bible. But to answer your question, "They could have take a journey to China and get away from the local flood and NOT built an Huge Ark. "
Why do think that they wouldn't have done so, Nathan? IF (a big IF) -they even knew a place existed that today we refer to as China ?
~~ God told Noah and his family to build the Ark because it was going to be World Wide flood and NOT a local flood. China could NOT save Noah and his family! because it was World wide, they would die in China too. Do you think they knew that?
~~ God did NOT tell them to flee to China but build the Ark and only the ark could save them! and 1000s animals inside the ark.
You do understand just how little that they knew at that time, don't you? How small the the area was that they even knew existed?
~~ If it was a local flood, there was NO NEED to built an ark 450 feet long and 45 feet high. God knew it was going to be a World Wide flood and the ONLY WAY for them to stay alive to stay inside the ark.
Jesus/God KNEW the world wide flood was REAL because He/Christ saw it happened. Therefore, Jesus used Noah's world wide compare to His 2nd coming! will come and caught many people unprepared and NOT be able to enter the ark.
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Post by Dan on Nov 21, 2020 11:44:47 GMT -5
To me the Epic of Gilgamesh, (written c. 2150-1400 BCE) , just gives more credibility to the biblical story. The fact that others recorded that a huge flood occurred serves as confirmation that it actually happened.
I'm sure some have embellished the story, but multiple recordings of the event would indicate that a great flood actually happened While it may be true that Moses wrote Genesis around 1445 BC, he received it by revelation, so the dates aren't really relative, except that the stories all date the same flood from about 5000 years ago.
The same history from different areas, different cultures, and in different languages, would seem to eliminate the odds of the flood just being a mythological tale.
DAN,
A WORLD WIDE flood? -in all areas of the whole earth at the same time?
You really believe that actually happened?
No, that's where I differ from the typical (normal) Christian opinion. I believe the flood was a huge deluge, but only inclusive of the biblical world (descendants of Adam). It was that world, not the entire world that flooded. Most believe it was global, but God's anger was with the polluted lineage of Adam. This was Satan & companies plan to prevent Messiah, so God had to destroy it. Again, mine is a minority opinion.
The boat was necessary for the animals sake, ya gotta love God for that. It would not have been feasible to herd all the regional animals to China or elsewhere. The entire planet was submerged in the beginning (Genesis 1; 2&6), but Noah's flood only encompassed all the earth (erets) relative to the story being told, it was that entire region that was submerged.. jmo
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Post by intelchips on Nov 21, 2020 11:58:54 GMT -5
DAN,
A WORLD WIDE flood? -in all areas of the whole earth at the same time?
You really believe that actually happened?
No, that's where I differ from the typical (normal) Christian opinion. I believe the flood was a huge deluge, but only inclusive of the biblical world (descendants of Adam). It was that world, not the entire world that flooded. Most believe it was global, but God's anger was with the polluted lineage of Adam. This was Satan & companies plan to prevent Messiah, so God had to destroy it. Again, mine is a minority opinion.
The boat was necessary for the animals sake, ya gotta love God for that. It would not have been feasible to herd all the regional animals to China or elsewhere. The entire planet was submerged in the beginning (Genesis 1; 2&6), but Noah's flood only encompassed all the earth (erets) relative to the story being told, it was that entire region that was submerged.. jmo
Post note: I use both BC. and BCE. interchangable. I think I do this because I exist at the juxtaposition when the change came about. And to be fair I think I'm not the only one who fails to edit self on this point. Facts to consider when examining the biblical story of the flood and the more ancient version of Gilgamesh. The Babylonian epic Gilgamesh was written around 2000 BCE and has survived in several versions. It predates the scriptural story. A tradition dates the revelation of the Bible to 2448 years after creation, or about 1312 BCE. Today it is common for scholars to offer a date of around 1200 BCE. I accept there is no certainty in these dates. Because the Flood myth has been traced back to Utnapishtim or Utanapishtim (sorry I miss-spelled his name in my other post) an Akkadian who lived in the city of Shuruppak, modern Tall Faʾrah, an ancient Sumerian city located south of Nippur in what is now south-central Iraq and originally located on the bank of the Euphrates River. There has been many excavation efforts made in and around the city. I shall not document all the teams here but the information is easy to find if one seeks. The Excavations uncovered three levels of habitation which extended in time from the late prehistoric period to the 3rd dynasty of Ur (ca. 2112 - 2004 BC). What can we now know about the events depicted in the Old Testament? To start with current scholarship excepts that the first five books – Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, book of Numbers and Deuteronomy – reached their present form in the Persian period (538–332 BC). And that the author/editors where the elite of the exilic returnees who controlled the Temple. Following came The books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings follow, forming a history of Israel from the Conquest of Canaan to the Siege of Jerusalem where written down ca. 587 BC. All other books where not written down until much later. It is true that dating historical events and people is not as easy task. One is often forced to use relativity. Example if a clay tablet is found at level IV (which has been dated to say 2700 BCE.) and the tablet contains data that relates back to a much early time and it mentions two males say Joe and Mark and elsewhere much is known about Mark then dating the time of Joe is established by relativity. While this might not be the most desirable it is often all one can use. Dating periods: Ubaid period ca. 6500-3800 BC Uruk period ca. 4000-3100 BC (also known as the Protoliterate period) Jemdet Period ca. 3100-2900 BC Torah/Pentatech writing period ca. 538 -332 BC I leave it to the reader. Which came first, Utanapishtim's flash flood story and his city getting destroyed or Noah's 40 days of rain flooded the whole world? I think many who read my post only see the parts that are relative to their own understanding and gloss over the inconvenient parts.
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Post by nathan on Nov 21, 2020 17:19:09 GMT -5
The Bible tells us God opened the ocean inside the inner earth and He also poured down water from heaven to flood the whole earth and the water covered high above Mt Everest.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 21, 2020 17:46:17 GMT -5
The Bible tells us God opened the ocean inside the inner earth and He also poured down water from heaven to flood the whole earth and the water covered high above Mt Everest.
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Post by intelchips on Nov 21, 2020 18:17:41 GMT -5
The Bible tells us God opened the ocean inside the inner earth and He also poured down water from heaven to flood the whole earth and the water covered high above Mt Everest. Just when I think maybe it's time to sober up
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Post by nathan on Nov 21, 2020 19:17:23 GMT -5
The Bible tells us God opened the ocean inside the inner earth and He also poured down water from heaven to flood the whole earth and the water covered high above Mt Everest. Just when I think maybe it's time to sober up ** I posted these information in the past when I get off work I will post it again for you. I always try to back it up with what I wrote.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 21, 2020 19:23:16 GMT -5
Just when I think maybe it's time to sober up ** I posted these information in the past when I get off work I will post it again for you. Oh, please don't Nathan! Not again!
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Post by nathan on Nov 21, 2020 19:28:40 GMT -5
** I posted these information in the past when I get off work I will post it again for you. Oh, please don't Nathan! Not again!** Too late! Now... I will keep it short and sweet for you unbelievers, doubters, and atheists, maybe the believers will appreciate the information on Noah World Wide flood is NOT a myth after all.
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Post by Dan on Nov 21, 2020 19:56:37 GMT -5
The Bible tells us God opened the ocean inside the inner earth and He also poured down water from heaven to flood the whole earth and the water covered high above Mt Everest.
I don't think there is a single Mt Everest mentioned in the bible, the Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat (Genesis 8:4). But in order for the waters to cover Everest with 15 cubits of water, it would have required 250 to 300% more water than currently exist on earth. And more miraculously, one must ask where and how all that water disappeared?
"The six oldest civilizations that had an ongoing and well-established culture according to recorded history are: Sumer (Mesopotamia), Egypt, China, Minoan, Indus Valley, and the Holy Land or Phoenicia.
Some of the earliest written records of an advanced civilization are those of the Sumerian civilization in Mesopotamia. Its first dynasty, according to Sumerian King-Lists, dates to about 3350 B.C. Prof. Waddell has done exhaustive research on Sumerian chronicles, seals, King-Lists, and other records which show a continuous, ongoing civilization from 3350 B.C. well through the period of the Flood.9 In fact, Mesopotamia was undergoing great prosperity and expansion during the period of the Flood under the well-known ruler, Sargon The Great (2300 B.C.). Further growth and expansion continued under his grandson, Naram-Sin (2250 B.C.). By the time of Abraham (1930 B.C.), Mesopotamia was heavily populated and a thriving centre of civilization and culture. These historical facts could never have occurred if its entire civilization had been obliterated by a flood.
Of all ancient civilizations, that of Egypt is the most familiar. Egypt's dynastic history started with the uniting of upper and lower Egypt by King Menes about 3100 B.C. The period of Egyptian history known as the "Old Kingdom," extended from 2800 to 2175 B.C., which covered the third through the tenth dynasties. There was no record of a sudden and complete interruption within this great epoch of Egyptian history by a great deluge. Further, the Step Pyramid, the Great Pyramid, the Sphinx and other Egyptian monuments that were built prior to the Flood would surely have been destroyed by the magnitude of the flood described by creationists.
A reasonably accurate history of China begins around 3000 B.C. Valuable information on this culture has been obtained from the Chinese sacred book known as Shu King. According to the chronology of this text, and verified by archaeological finds, China was undergoing a prosperous period during the Yao Dynasty (between 2400 - 2200 B.C.) with no record of a cataclysmic interruption of its civilization."
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Post by nathan on Nov 21, 2020 20:27:31 GMT -5
God Knew it would take lots and lots of water to DROWN the evil Nephilim/giants existed around the world in the days of Noah.
To kill the Nephilims by Drowning God had to flood the whole earth with lots of water, which covered all the lands and the highest mountains/Everest and Ararat, where they might hide in the caves.
I will show you what the Bible and scientists have discovered there are oceans of water beneath the earth.
Christ/God laid the foundation of the earth and Universe. He KNOWS about the existence oceans inside the inner/hollow earth. Genesis said God/Christ opened up the fountain of the deep and oceans of water spring forth.
After the flood most of the water went back into inner earth where it came from.
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Post by nathan on Nov 21, 2020 22:59:18 GMT -5
From the Book of Noah 65 : (1) And in those days, Noah saw the earth had tilted and that its destruction was near. Book of Noah 67 : (1) And in those days, the word of the Lord came to me, and he said to me: “Noah, behold: your lot has come up before me, a lot of love without reproach, a lot of uprightness. (2) And now the angels are making a wooden structure and when the angels come out from that task, I will put my hand on it and keep it safe. And a change shall take place so that the ground may not remain empty. Book of Parables 54 : (7) And in those days, the punishment of the Lord of Spirits will go out, and the storehouses of the waters which are above the sky and under the earth will be opened. (8) And all the waters will be joined with the waters that are above the sky. The water that is above the sky is male and the water that is under the earth is female.2) Huge Reservoir of Water Discovered in Space 30 Billion Trillion Miles Away. "... the researchers have found a mass of water vapor that’s at least 140 trillion times that of all the water in the world’s oceans combined, and 100,000 times more massive than the sun." www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d1npUyz0_owww.universetoday.com/87669/huge-resevoir-of-water-discovered-in-space-30-billion-trillion-miles-away/#ixzz39STcMiwP3) Gen 7:11-12 Noah was 600 years old. It was the 17th day of the second month of the year. On that day all of the springs at the bottom of the oceans burst open. God opened the windows of the skies. Rain fell on the earth for 40 days and 40 nights. For 40 days the flood kept coming on the earth. As the waters rose higher, they lifted the ark high above the earth. The waters rose higher and higher on the earth. And the ark floated on the water.
The waters rose on the earth until all of the high mountains under the entire sky were covered. The waters continued to rise until they covered the mountains by more than 20 feet. Every living thing that moved on the earth died. The birds, the livestock and the wild animals died. All of the creatures that fill the earth also died. And so did every human being. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in it died. Every living thing on the earth was wiped out. People and animals were destroyed. The creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped out. Everything was destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark were left. Gen 8:1-4 But God showed concern for Noah. He also showed concern for all of the wild animals and livestock that were with Noah in the ark. So God sent a wind over the earth. And the waters began to go down. The springs at the bottom of the oceans had been closed. The windows of the skies had been closed. And the rain had stopped falling from the sky. The water continued to go down from the earth. At the end of the 150 days the water had gone down. On the 17th day of the seventh month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat/Turkey. ~~ In 2010 Noah's Ark founded by the Chinese expedition on Mt. Ararat/Turkey 2010. They entered the Ark and they brought back many proof, pictures, video, the Ark's wood (3:00). God left the Ark on Mt. Ararat intact as an evidence to the world that the flood had taken place so, people couldn't say the flood was a MYTH or it didn't happen. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq_Ar33DWTwwww.youtube.com/watch?v=--a8Zf5ACmIPublished on Feb 11, 2011 Chairman of the Ark InSight Foundation Gerrit Aalten: I'm convinced information about the discovery of Noah's Ark will be a big encouragement for mankind's search for God and will encourage as well as strengthen especially those supressed for their faith. The significance of this find is that for the first time in history the discovery of Noah's Ark is well documented and revealed to the worldwide community. The undeniable amount of solid evidence that the wooden structure found on Mt. Ararat in Eastern-Turkey is the legendary Ark of Noah as estimated by those involved at 99%. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y27y6kx_tY
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Post by nathan on Nov 22, 2020 10:37:43 GMT -5
~~ 200 fallen angels had SEX with women of this earth creating the Nephilim= The Giants race to Rule the world From the Book of Enoch: www.hiddenbible.com/enoch/online.html
[Chapter 6] 1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2. them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3. and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4. indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5. not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6. by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7. and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.
[Chapter 7] 1-6 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones. ~~ Nathan: Fallen angels result mingled their DNA with women, animals= Hybrid races with birds/Ra, Osirus, Isis and Horus/hawk being... Reptiles/Reptilians, fish/mermaids, Cats/feline, Big foot/apes and man, and so on....
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Post by nathan on Nov 22, 2020 10:46:38 GMT -5
[Chapter 9] 1-11 And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel angels looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth. And they said one to another: 'The earth made without inhabitant cries the voice of their cryingst up to the gates of heaven. And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause before the Most High. And they said to the Lord of the ages: 'Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, and God of the ages, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages! Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. Thou seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn: And Semjaza, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are wrought on the earth. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.' [Chapter 10] 1- 16 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel/Angel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: " Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world." And again the Lord said to Raphael/Angel: " Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light. And on the day of the great judgment he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons.
And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin.' And to Gabriel said the Lord: 'Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the children of the Watchers from amongst men [and cause them to go forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in battle: for length of days shall they not have. And no request that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and that each one of them will live five hundred years.' And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgment and of their consummation, till the judgment that is for ever and ever is consummated. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: and to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth' shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore. www.hiddenbible.com/enoch/online.html
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Post by nathan on Nov 22, 2020 10:52:13 GMT -5
(Mark 1:14,15) Now after that John the Baptist was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, saying, " The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: Repent ye, and believe in the gospel." Verse 23,24 There was a man in their synagouge a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, saying, "Let us alone!" what have we to do with you, Jesus of Nazareth? are thou come to destroy us? I know thou art, the Holy One of God." And Jesus rebuked him saying, "Hold thy peace, and come OUT of him." And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him. (Luke 1:34) And Jesus healed many that were sick of different diseases, and cast out many demons; and suffered not the demons to speak, because they KNEW who he was/the Holy One of God.
Luke 3:10-12 For Jesus had healed many, insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues. And unclean spirits, when they SAW him, fell down before Him, and cried, saying, "Thou art the Son of God." And he straightly charged them that they should NOT make him known.(Luke 4:40,41) Jesus laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them. And the devils also came out of many, crying out, saying "Thou art the Christ the Son of God." And Jesus rebuked them not allow them to speak for they KNEW he was the Christ. Mark 5:1-12 The Legion saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshiped him. And cried with a loud voice, "What have I to do with thee, Jesus the Son of the most high God? I swear by God, that thou torment me not." Jesus said to legion=Many, "Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. And Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" and the man answered, " My name is Legion: for WE are MANY."
~~ Apostolic fathers teachings about Demons/Giants: (Genesis 6:4) There were Giants on the earth in those days, and also AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore Children to them. Those were mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
~~ Justin Martyr (160 A.D.) The angels transgressed this appointment and were captived by love of women and they begat Children/Giants, who are called DEMONS.
~~ Athenagoras (170 A.D.) These angels, then, who have fallen from heaven, and haunt the air and the earth, and are no longer able to rise to heavenly things, and the souls of the Giants, who are the DEMONS, who wander about the world. Furthermore, certain angels who fell of their own free will, there sprang a more wicked demon brood, condemned of God along with the authors of their race. Their great business is the ruin of mankind. So, from the start, spiritual wickedness sought our destruction. Accordingly, they inflict upon our bodies diseases and other grievous calamities.
~~ Commodianus (248 A.D.) From the seed of the fallen angels and women, Giants are said to have been born. By them, arts were made known in the earth. They taught the dyeing of wool and everything that is done. When they DIED, men erected images to them. Yet, because they were of an evil seed, the Almighty did NOT approve of their being brought back from death when they had died. For that reason, they wander and they now subvert many bodies. And it is these whom the pagans presently worship and pray to as gods.
~~ Lactanius (303-313) The Giants who were born from the relations of angels with women were neither angels nor men, but had a MIXED nature---- were NOT admitted into hades when they died. Similarly, their fallen angels fathers had NOT been admitted into heaven, either. Thus there came to be TWO kinds of demons: One of heaven, the other of the earth. The latter are the wicked spirits, who are the authors of all the EVILS that are done. These wicked spirits were the inventors of astrology, soothsaying, divination, those production that are called oracles, the art of magic.
~~ Origen (225 A.D.) Now, of the wicked spirits, there is a two fold mode of operation. Sometimes they take complete and entire possession of the mind, so as NOT to allow their captives the power of either understanding or feeling. For example, this is the case with those who are commonly called "Possessed" whom we see to be deprived of reason. At other times, these evil forces use their wicked suggestions to deprave a conscious and intelligent souls with thoughts of various kinds---- Persuading it to do evil. Judas is an illustration of this.
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Post by nathan on Nov 22, 2020 11:12:47 GMT -5
Jesus said in Luke 17:26-27 "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
Jesus said in Matthew 24:37-39 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Genesis 6:1-9 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years."
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward-when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the LORD said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created-and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground-for I regret that I have made them." But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.
Jude 13-14 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Rev. 1:7-8 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
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Post by intelchips on Nov 22, 2020 14:52:47 GMT -5
(Mark 1:14,15) Now after that John the Baptist was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, saying, " The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: Repent ye, and believe in the gospel." Verse 23,24 There was a man in their synagouge a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, saying, "Let us alone!" what have we to do with you, Jesus of Nazareth? are thou come to destroy us? I know thou art, the Holy One of God." And Jesus rebuked him saying, "Hold thy peace, and come OUT of him." And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him. (Luke 1:34) And Jesus healed many that were sick of different diseases, and cast out many demons; and suffered not the demons to speak, because they KNEW who he was/the Holy One of God.
Luke 3:10-12 For Jesus had healed many, insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues. And unclean spirits, when they SAW him, fell down before Him, and cried, saying, "Thou art the Son of God." And he straightly charged them that they should NOT make him known.(Luke 4:40,41) Jesus laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them. And the devils also came out of many, crying out, saying "Thou art the Christ the Son of God." And Jesus rebuked them not allow them to speak for they KNEW he was the Christ. Mark 5:1-12 The Legion saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshiped him. And cried with a loud voice, "What have I to do with thee, Jesus the Son of the most high God? I swear by God, that thou torment me not." Jesus said to legion=Many, "Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. And Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" and the man answered, " My name is Legion: for WE are MANY." ~~ Apostolic fathers teachings about Demons/Giants: (Genesis 6:4) There were Giants on the earth in those days, and also AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore Children to them. Those were mighty men who were of old, men of renown. ~~ Justin Martyr (160 A.D.) The angels transgressed this appointment and were captived by love of women and they begat Children/Giants, who are called DEMONS.~~ Athenagoras (170 A.D.) These angels, then, who have fallen from heaven, and haunt the air and the earth, and are no longer able to rise to heavenly things, and the souls of the Giants, who are the DEMONS, who wander about the world. Furthermore, certain angels who fell of their own free will, there sprang a more wicked demon brood, condemned of God along with the authors of their race. Their great business is the ruin of mankind. So, from the start, spiritual wickedness sought our destruction. Accordingly, they inflict upon our bodies diseases and other grievous calamities. ~~ Commodianus (248 A.D.) From the seed of the fallen angels and women, Giants are said to have been born. By them, arts were made known in the earth. They taught the dyeing of wool and everything that is done. When they DIED, men erected images to them. Yet, because they were of an evil seed, the Almighty did NOT approve of their being brought back from death when they had died. For that reason, they wander and they now subvert many bodies. And it is these whom the pagans presently worship and pray to as gods.~~ Lactanius (303-313) The Giants who were born from the relations of angels with women were neither angels nor men, but had a MIXED nature---- were NOT admitted into hades when they died. Similarly, their fallen angels fathers had NOT been admitted into heaven, either. Thus there came to be TWO kinds of demons: One of heaven, the other of the earth. The latter are the wicked spirits, who are the authors of all the EVILS that are done. These wicked spirits were the inventors of astrology, soothsaying, divination, those production that are called oracles, the art of magic.~~ Origen (225 A.D.) Now, of the wicked spirits, there is a two fold mode of operation. Sometimes they take complete and entire possession of the mind, so as NOT to allow their captives the power of either understanding or feeling. For example, this is the case with those who are commonly called "Possessed" whom we see to be deprived of reason. At other times, these evil forces use their wicked suggestions to deprave a conscious and intelligent souls with thoughts of various kinds---- Persuading it to do evil. Judas is an illustration of this. Oh heaven help us help Nathan because none of us can on our own help poor Nathan. How can Jesus quote from a gospel when during his life time gospels had yet to be written? If the Kingdom of some god was at hand during Jesus' life time then hasn't that boat already sailed? And as to old Origen and the possession haven't we in our time got the science of psychology to help us understand human behavior? Are we still stuck with Demons?
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Post by nathan on Nov 22, 2020 15:28:09 GMT -5
(Mark 1:14,15) Now after that John the Baptist was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, saying, " The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: Repent ye, and believe in the gospel." Verse 23,24 There was a man in their synagouge a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, saying, "Let us alone!" what have we to do with you, Jesus of Nazareth? are thou come to destroy us? I know thou art, the Holy One of God." And Jesus rebuked him saying, "Hold thy peace, and come OUT of him." And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him. (Luke 1:34) And Jesus healed many that were sick of different diseases, and cast out many demons; and suffered not the demons to speak, because they KNEW who he was/the Holy One of God.
Luke 3:10-12 For Jesus had healed many, insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues. And unclean spirits, when they SAW him, fell down before Him, and cried, saying, "Thou art the Son of God." And he straightly charged them that they should NOT make him known.(Luke 4:40,41) Jesus laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them. And the devils also came out of many, crying out, saying "Thou art the Christ the Son of God." And Jesus rebuked them not allow them to speak for they KNEW he was the Christ. Mark 5:1-12 The Legion saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshiped him. And cried with a loud voice, "What have I to do with thee, Jesus the Son of the most high God? I swear by God, that thou torment me not." Jesus said to legion=Many, "Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. And Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" and the man answered, " My name is Legion: for WE are MANY." ~~ Apostolic fathers teachings about Demons/Giants: (Genesis 6:4) There were Giants on the earth in those days, and also AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore Children to them. Those were mighty men who were of old, men of renown. ~~ Justin Martyr (160 A.D.) The angels transgressed this appointment and were captived by love of women and they begat Children/Giants, who are called DEMONS.~~ Athenagoras (170 A.D.) These angels, then, who have fallen from heaven, and haunt the air and the earth, and are no longer able to rise to heavenly things, and the souls of the Giants, who are the DEMONS, who wander about the world. Furthermore, certain angels who fell of their own free will, there sprang a more wicked demon brood, condemned of God along with the authors of their race. Their great business is the ruin of mankind. So, from the start, spiritual wickedness sought our destruction. Accordingly, they inflict upon our bodies diseases and other grievous calamities. ~~ Commodianus (248 A.D.) From the seed of the fallen angels and women, Giants are said to have been born. By them, arts were made known in the earth. They taught the dyeing of wool and everything that is done. When they DIED, men erected images to them. Yet, because they were of an evil seed, the Almighty did NOT approve of their being brought back from death when they had died. For that reason, they wander and they now subvert many bodies. And it is these whom the pagans presently worship and pray to as gods.~~ Lactanius (303-313) The Giants who were born from the relations of angels with women were neither angels nor men, but had a MIXED nature---- were NOT admitted into hades when they died. Similarly, their fallen angels fathers had NOT been admitted into heaven, either. Thus there came to be TWO kinds of demons: One of heaven, the other of the earth. The latter are the wicked spirits, who are the authors of all the EVILS that are done. These wicked spirits were the inventors of astrology, soothsaying, divination, those production that are called oracles, the art of magic.~~ Origen (225 A.D.) Now, of the wicked spirits, there is a two fold mode of operation. Sometimes they take complete and entire possession of the mind, so as NOT to allow their captives the power of either understanding or feeling. For example, this is the case with those who are commonly called "Possessed" whom we see to be deprived of reason. At other times, these evil forces use their wicked suggestions to deprave a conscious and intelligent souls with thoughts of various kinds---- Persuading it to do evil. Judas is an illustration of this. Oh heaven help us help Nathan because none of us can on our own help poor Nathan. How can Jesus quote from a gospel when during his life time gospels had yet to be written? If the Kingdom of some god was at hand during Jesus' life time then hasn't that boat already sailed? And as to old Origen and the possession haven't we in our time got the science of psychology to help us understand human behavior? Are we still stuck with Demons? *** You atheist and unbelievers have different ways of understanding things. You don't believe in God and Satan so it can screw up your belief and thought process... And Without the Holy Spirit as your teacher and guide makes it worse. John the apostle was alive on the island of Patmos when God the Father and Christ showed him the past, present and future events. So, John the apostle recorded Jesus words on the island of Patmos in 95 A.D. Jesus said in John's gospel chapters 13-17 that the Holy Spirit will recall what I said and you can write it down. The earth is Satan, fallen angels, demons kingdom and homes for billions of years. Satan/Serpent was in the garden of Eden, the fallen angels were here in the days of Enoch and in the days of Jesus! This earth is their home and they are still here and possessing humans bodies and minds. Like I said before the humans are sinners and our bodies and souls belong to Satan, he is the humans god. The ONLY to be FREE from them is to allow God, Christ and Holy Spirit to come and dwell in us.
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