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Post by mountain on Oct 23, 2020 13:37:32 GMT -5
When you talk about works, what do you mean? What works do you believe we don't have to do? Anything that you think makes the blood effective. If you think you can do something to make the blood effective that is trampling on the blood of the lamb and you don't believe it is enough. You can repent, do the will of god and what ever other thing you can think of. If you can make the blood effective by those things what is Christs sacrifice for?. What do you need Grace for?,You can do it yourself. Or Christ has already done it. Accept it, or reject it, it is already done. Finished. Tetelestai. It's a gift!. Romans 10:3 The ONLY thing that makes the sacrificial blood of Jesus effective is believing on Jesus Christ the Son of God, which brings us to what exactly does 'believing in Jesus Christ the Son of God' mean. As Maryhig has pointed out, using the very words of the Apostle John, that we 'ought to walk as he (Jesus Christ) walked.' This means following Jesus in the way, the truth and the life that leads to God the Father. The blood has a cleansing effect for our sins. That is its purpose. One unatoned for sin is enough to make us imperfect and unworthy before God, but the shed blood is provided for this purpose, BUT it is only effective for those who truly believe in Jesus. This is what John 3.16 means in reality. ' God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son (the blood sacrifice), SO THAT THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE AND NOT PERISH.' Believing truly in Jesus on its own is not sufficient because we fall short of the glory of God (which Jesus didn't do) by our sins. These sins need to be repented off and cleansed by the sacrifice of Jesus which makes our walking as he walked effective. No blood sacrifice = no salvation No belief in Jesus, ie walking as he walked = No salvation Both are necessary and are dependent upon one another.
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Post by mountain on Oct 23, 2020 13:42:36 GMT -5
The Bible is clear that God's children are controlled by his spirit living within them. Acts 5:29 But Peter and the apostles replied, “We must obey God rather than any human authority. 30 The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead after you killed him by hanging him on a cross. 31 Then God put him in the place of honor at his right hand as Prince and Savior. He did this so the people of Israel would repent of their sins and be forgiven. 32 We are witnesses of these things and so is the Holy Spirit, who is given by God to those who obey him.” Romans 8:5 Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy Spirit think about things that please the Spirit. 6 So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. 7 For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. 8 That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. 9 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) 10 And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God. 11 The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you. ** In these verse you qouted... We read about the Spirit of God/the Father and the Spirit of Christ and Holy Spirit. How many Beings/Spirits do you count there, Fixit? One Spirit, One God, one Jesus. The Spirit is God's spirit which Jesus has control of as part of God's plan. Jesus is enthroned in Heaven (some say Venus?) acting on behalf of his God and Father, but still receives his directions from God.
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Post by nathan on Oct 23, 2020 14:19:25 GMT -5
** In these verse you qouted... We read about the Spirit of God/the Father and the Spirit of Christ and Holy Spirit. How many Beings/Spirits do you count there, Fixit? One Spirit, One God, one Jesus. The Spirit is God's spirit which Jesus has control of as part of God's plan. Jesus is enthroned in Heaven (some say Venus?) acting on behalf of his God and Father, but still receives his directions from God. ** Like I have said God the Father/Spirit is the MOST high God, Christ is the Second Person/Spirit of the Godhead and the Holy Spirit is the Third Person/Spirit. Christ has Always been subject to God the Father. The Holy Spirit is subject to Christ and God the Father. God the Father and Christ are in heaven/interior of Venus planet And the Holy Spirit is on earth to guide and protect Christ's True Bride Ministry and God's people to the time of His returns. One Godhead 3 Spirits/Beings in heaven. God the Father and Christ are in heaven but the Holy Spirit came down from heaven 2000 years ago, on Jesus requested to help, guide and protect God's people until he comes back to set up His eternal kingdom on earth for 1000 yrs. Christ revealed to the Christians on earth the location where God the Father, the Old and New Testament souls of believers and Him dwells in the book of revelation. The believers in heaven are waiting for the time when God the Father and Christ will give them the resurrection bodies so, they and the believers on earth will reign with Him and the Universe.
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Post by mountain on Oct 23, 2020 16:54:07 GMT -5
One Spirit, One God, one Jesus. The Spirit is God's spirit which Jesus has control of as part of God's plan. Jesus is enthroned in Heaven (some say Venus?) acting on behalf of his God and Father, but still receives his directions from God. ** Like I have said God the Father/Spirit is the MOST high God, Christ is the Second Person/Spirit of the Godhead and the Holy Spirit is the Third Person/Spirit. Christ has Always been subject to God the Father. The Holy Spirit is subject to Christ and God the Father. God the Father and Christ are in heaven/interior of Venus planet And the Holy Spirit is on earth to guide and protect Christ's True Bride Ministry and God's people to the time of His returns. One Godhead 3 Spirits/Beings in heaven. God the Father and Christ are in heaven but the Holy Spirit came down from heaven 2000 years ago, on Jesus requested to help, guide and protect God's people until he comes back to set up His eternal kingdom on earth for 1000 yrs. Christ revealed to the Christians on earth the location where God the Father, the Old and New Testament souls of believers and Him dwells in the book of revelation. The believers in heaven are waiting for the time when God the Father and Christ will give them the resurrection bodies so, they and the believers on earth will reign with Him and the Universe. Sorry brother Nathan but the trinitarian concoction for the term 'Godhead' is far from the true meaning of the term.
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Post by fixit on Oct 23, 2020 17:01:44 GMT -5
** In these verse you qouted... We read about the Spirit of God/the Father and the Spirit of Christ and Holy Spirit. How many Beings/Spirits do you count there, Fixit? One Spirit, One God, one Jesus. The Spirit is God's spirit which Jesus has control of as part of God's plan. Jesus is enthroned in Heaven (some say one says Venus?) acting on behalf of his God and Father, but still receives his directions from God. Fixed your statement in the interests of accuracy.
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Post by fixit on Oct 23, 2020 17:19:27 GMT -5
It's not a do nothing gospel, we are clearly taught to be doers and if we are being guided by the Spirit then we will be being prompted and taught to do what's right before God daily in our hearts. Well said. It's true that none of us are worthy, but the word "believe" in the New Testament is mostly translated from the Greek pisteuo meaning "to adhere to, trust, rely on". Why didn't the writers of the Greek NT instead use the Greek peithomai which means "to be persuaded"? Because it's not about a belief system, its about a relationship. In Old English the word "believe" meant closer to our modern word "belove". Unfortunately when the English meaning of "believe" changed, the bible translators failed to convey the true meaning in modern English. Perhaps that's because most people prefer a "do as little as you have to" belief system gospel rather than the deep commitment of a relationship gospel.
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Post by nathan on Oct 23, 2020 17:36:08 GMT -5
** Like I have said God the Father/Spirit is the MOST high God, Christ is the Second Person/Spirit of the Godhead and the Holy Spirit is the Third Person/Spirit. Christ has Always been subject to God the Father. The Holy Spirit is subject to Christ and God the Father. God the Father and Christ are in heaven/interior of Venus planet And the Holy Spirit is on earth to guide and protect Christ's True Bride Ministry and God's people to the time of His returns. One Godhead 3 Spirits/Beings in heaven. God the Father and Christ are in heaven but the Holy Spirit came down from heaven 2000 years ago, on Jesus requested to help, guide and protect God's people until he comes back to set up His eternal kingdom on earth for 1000 yrs. Christ revealed to the Christians on earth the location where God the Father, the Old and New Testament souls of believers and Him dwells in the book of revelation. The believers in heaven are waiting for the time when God the Father and Christ will give them the resurrection bodies so, they and the believers on earth will reign with Him and the Universe. Sorry brother Nathan but the trinitarian concoction for the term 'Godhead' is far from the true meaning of the term. ** I know you anti-Trinity believers don't believe it but it's TRUE.
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Post by fred on Oct 23, 2020 21:00:50 GMT -5
It's not a do nothing gospel, we are clearly taught to be doers and if we are being guided by the Spirit then we will be being prompted and taught to do what's right before God daily in our hearts. Well said. It's true that none of us are worthy, but the word "believe" in the New Testament is mostly translated from the Greek pisteuo meaning "to adhere to, trust, rely on". Why didn't the writers of the Greek NT instead use the Greek peithomai which means "to be persuaded"? Because it's not about a belief system, its about a relationship. Generally, I agree, however I would point out that A relationship does not occur until there is belief "to place confidence in, to trust." It's the old horse and cart thing! I presume that you are talking about any person that has a different 'belief system' to yourself?
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Post by nathan on Oct 23, 2020 22:16:23 GMT -5
One Spirit, One God, one Jesus. The Spirit is God's spirit which Jesus has control of as part of God's plan. Jesus is enthroned in Heaven (some say one says Venus?) acting on behalf of his God and Father, but still receives his directions from God. Fixed your statement in the interests of accuracy. Sorry, mate.... more than one person/me says Jesus is from Interior planet of Venus...
1) 2/2018 Major UFO Disclosure - Valiant/Donn Thor from Venus are Working at the Pentagon. U.S. space program is 1000 yrs advance than the current technology. An Intelligence briefing/information was revealed to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus. President said, "How are we going to tell people that!" 2) Frank Potter was a member of Inner Circle of Dr. Frank group/Melchizedek
"The Stranger at The Pentagon" book written by Pastor Frank E. Stranges is just the beginning. The many wonderful truths in the book "Outwitting Tomorrow" are only the tip of the iceberg. Val Thor an Elohim or "Created Being" whose home is on Venus is the leader of the Solar Councils mission to earth. He was directly commissioned by Sananda-Yehoshua The Christ to oversee the planetary redemption plans to liberate earth an to make the people of earth aware that we are not alone in the universe.
Valiant Thor also has spoken to the United Nations on several occasions. Val has worked with the governments of the world to offer them interplanetary cultural exchange which would allow earth to advance in terms of technology. The governments or Cabal refused his offer of assistance to earth many years ago because it would threaten their positions of power and make our financial systems obsolete. Open contact would bring in free energy and advanced healing putting the pharmaceutical industries of sickness as well as the oil and electrical companies out of business as well. The Stranger at The Pentagon. He met Dr. Frank Stranges at the pentagon in 1957 and began a long association which has been the source of a tremendous volume of spiritual information that Dr. Frank faithfully revealed to the world over his 61 year ministry. Dr. Frank was an earthly member of the council of 12. This council was comprised of 6 space family members and 6 earthly counterparts. This council met regularly and discussed the plans and actions of how to administer humanity into the realization we are not alone on earth and we are responsible for our own spiritual awareness. Dr Frank was given many lessons on the true history of the earth. He was also taken to Venus several times and to the inner earth agarthan network where he actually saw unicorns, mastadons and other dinosaurs including the famous Sasquatch. Commander Thor introduced him to large benevolent beings from 9-14 feet tall. Dr Frank was chosen by Val to share the revelations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which have been hidden from humanity by the Jewish authorities. He was privileged to meet the Ascended master Yehoshua the Christ on several occasions and you hear details of these astounding encounters. He was able to view holograms of earths ancient history on special "History Coins" which projected the records of the Akashic right before his eyes. He shares the truth of the star of Bethlehem and When Moses met the Burning Bush. He shares the true eyewitness details of the Last Supper. You will learned who killed both Kennedy's and the location of the 12 Victor class spaceships which encircle the earth in their mission to oversee and protect the earth from hostile forces.
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Post by fixit on Oct 23, 2020 23:12:12 GMT -5
Well said. It's true that none of us are worthy, but the word "believe" in the New Testament is mostly translated from the Greek pisteuo meaning "to adhere to, trust, rely on". Why didn't the writers of the Greek NT instead use the Greek peithomai which means "to be persuaded"? Because it's not about a belief system, its about a relationship. Generally, I agree, however I would point out that A relationship does not occur until there is belief "to place confidence in, to trust." It's the old horse and cart thing! I presume that you are talking about any person that has a different 'belief system' to yourself? I'm talking to myself as well as to anyone who will listen. It's a relationship with God that gives us spiritual life, not a belief system. It's good to question what our relationship is with... A church? Religious theory handed down to us by tradition? The bible? Theology? Abraham didn't get his relationship with God from reading the bible, or from a convincing story told him by someone else. The apostle Paul was well versed in the law and the prophets, but that didn't give him spiritual life. Hebrews 11:8 It was by faith that Abraham obeyed when God called him to leave home and go to another land that God would give him as his inheritance. He went without knowing where he was going. Galatians 1:15 But even before I was born, God chose me and called me by his marvelous grace. Then it pleased him 16 to reveal his Son to me so that I would proclaim the Good News about Jesus to the Gentiles. When this happened, I did not rush out to consult with any human being. 17 Nor did I go up to Jerusalem to consult with those who were apostles before I was. Instead, I went away into Arabia, and later I returned to the city of Damascus.
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Post by chuck on Oct 23, 2020 23:29:47 GMT -5
Anything that you think makes the blood effective. If you think you can do something to make the blood effective that is trampling on the blood of the lamb and you don't believe it is enough. You can repent, do the will of god and what ever other thing you can think of. If you can make the blood effective by those things what is Christs sacrifice for?. What do you need Grace for?,You can do it yourself. Or Christ has already done it. Accept it, or reject it, it is already done. Finished. Tetelestai. It's a gift!. Romans 10:3 The ONLY thing that makes the sacrificial blood of Jesus effective is believing on Jesus Christ the Son of God, which brings us to what exactly does 'believing in Jesus Christ the Son of God' mean. As Maryhig has pointed out, using the very words of the Apostle John, that we 'ought to walk as he (Jesus Christ) walked.' This means following Jesus in the way, the truth and the life that leads to God the Father. The blood has a cleansing effect for our sins. That is its purpose. One unatoned for sin is enough to make us imperfect and unworthy before God, but the shed blood is provided for this purpose, BUT it is only effective for those who truly believe in Jesus. This is what John 3.16 means in reality. ' God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son (the blood sacrifice), SO THAT THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE AND NOT PERISH.' Believing truly in Jesus on its own is not sufficient because we fall short of the glory of God (which Jesus didn't do) by our sins. These sins need to be repented off and cleansed by the sacrifice of Jesus which makes our walking as he walked effective. No blood sacrifice = no salvation No belief in Jesus, ie walking as he walked = No salvation Both are necessary and are dependent upon one another. It's effective. Not "it's effective if" or "the only thing that makes it effective is". Accept or reject It's effectiveness. There is no "both", or "dependant on". Stop reading it like a 21st century westerner founded in Roman Catholicism.
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Post by chuck on Oct 24, 2020 0:23:11 GMT -5
Anything that you think makes the blood effective. If you think you can do something to make the blood effective that is trampling on the blood of the lamb and you don't believe it is enough. You can repent, do the will of god and what ever other thing you can think of. If you can make the blood effective by those things what is Christs sacrifice for?. What do you need Grace for?,You can do it yourself. Or Christ has already done it. Accept it, or reject it, it is already done. Finished. Tetelestai. It's a gift!. Romans 10:3 Can you give me the verses you are referring to regarding the trampling on the blood of the lamb please? By the way, this is Romans 10:3 Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. Our own righteousness is when we put ourselves before God and love the praise of men, when let people say how good and lovely we are when we know God and we know we couldn't have done it without him. Self righteousness is when we glorify ourselves. But those who have the righteousness of Christ will glorify God and live it out as Jesus did. And the blood of Christ, which is the life of Christ within, cleanses those who love God and live by his will and obey his word. God gives his Spirit to those who obey him and without the Spirit we can't overcome the flesh. Hebrews 10:29. Understand Yom Kippur, Leviticus 16. That's a 2x2ism definition of righteous. Now what is the Hebrew definition of righteous? The life of Christ within is one who accepts it's already done. A Atheist can have the Character of Christ. No God talk involved, no being saved for a eternal eutopia in the clouds thinking, no religous rituals, Let that sink in. God's spirit is in everyone. All of your language is based on having to earn it. Which is why you think only certain people have God's Spirit or have done enough to earn it. Establishing your own righteousness with God talk.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 24, 2020 5:01:36 GMT -5
Can you give me the verses you are referring to regarding the trampling on the blood of the lamb please? By the way, this is Romans 10:3 Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. Our own righteousness is when we put ourselves before God and love the praise of men, when let people say how good and lovely we are when we know God and we know we couldn't have done it without him. Self righteousness is when we glorify ourselves. But those who have the righteousness of Christ will glorify God and live it out as Jesus did. And the blood of Christ, which is the life of Christ within, cleanses those who love God and live by his will and obey his word. God gives his Spirit to those who obey him and without the Spirit we can't overcome the flesh. Hebrews 10:29. Understand Yom Kippur, Leviticus 16. That's a 2x2ism definition of righteous. Now what is the Hebrew definition of righteous? The life of Christ within is one who accepts it's already done. A Atheist can have the Character of Christ. No God talk involved, no being saved for a eternal eutopia in the clouds thinking, no religous rituals, Let that sink in. God's spirit is in everyone. All of your language is based on having to earn it. Which is why you think only certain people have God's Spirit or have done enough to earn it. Establishing your own righteousness with God talk. I thought you meant that verse, now look at a few more verses before that, particularly verse 26 (caps for emphasis) Hebrews 10:26 FOR IF WE SIN WILFULLY AFTER THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? So those verses are about those who wilfully sin after knowing the truth, and it says they will be judged. And counting the blood of the covenant (the life of Christ and the word he preached through the Spirit, which is how we are sanctified) unholy, is when we know God, know the truth, and live to please ourselves and carry on wilfully sinning, then we go against the gospel and the life of Jesus and disobey the word of God. And we are sanctified by the word of God, being washed by the water of the word and it separates us from the world. John 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Ephesians 5 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. We are sanctified through Christ by the word of God through the Spirit. Meaning, once we hear the truth and it starts to work on our hearts, we start to turn from sin and obey the word of God. Then God will bless us with his Spirit and he will help us to overcome and he will separate us from ways of this world, cleansing our hearts, washing us clean with the water of the word as we walk in the spirit and bare witness to the truth. And not everybody has God's Spirit, God gives his Spirit to those who obey him. Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, WHOM GOD HATH GIVEN TO THOSE WHO OBEY HIM. You are covering sin making out that you are ok to sin and God will be ok with that, that's what Adam tried to do, but we are naked in God's eyes and he sees everything we do. We are to turn from wilfully sinning and live by the will of God, you aren't teaching the truth. God will judge us on what we do good and bad. 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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Post by mountain on Oct 24, 2020 13:28:47 GMT -5
One Spirit, One God, one Jesus. The Spirit is God's spirit which Jesus has control of as part of God's plan. Jesus is enthroned in Heaven (some say one says Venus?)[/b] acting on behalf of his God and Father, but still receives his directions from God.[/quote]Fixed your statement in the interests of accuracy.[/quote] Re- the emboldened part in your response fixit. Not so I'm afraid. The correct answer is 1-3. You see God created man in his own image, in his likeness crested he him. Agreed? If God is a trinity, ie one being comprising of three separate persons, then so is man. The 'one' person that you imply, is also one being. This one being believes in the trinity. therefore he himself must be three separate persons and if they/he are all equal then they must all believe that Jesus lives in Venus?
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Post by nathan on Oct 24, 2020 14:14:41 GMT -5
[/b] acting on behalf of his God and Father, but still receives his directions from God.[/quote]Fixed your statement in the interests of accuracy.[/quote] 1) Mountain wrote: Re- the emboldened part in your response fixit. Not so I'm afraid. The correct answer is 1-3. You see God created man in his own image, in his likeness crested he him. Agreed? If God is a trinity, ie one being comprising of three separate persons, then so is man. The 'one' person that you imply, is also one being. This one being believes in the trinity. therefore he himself must be three separate persons and if they/he are all equal then they must all believe that Jesus lives in Venus?[/quote] Nathan wrote: *** The Old Testament temple was a shadow of How the Godhead= God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit lives in heaven before and after the death of Jesus on Calvary. God the Father's lives in the Most Holy of Holy that no man/Sinners could enter. We read in the gospel the graves were open the dead in Christ in the Old Testament believers souls in Hades were set free and able to entered heaven. Only the High Priest/Christ entered once a year or be in the Father's presence. Once Jesus had paid the ransom price only Calvary the veil of separation was rent from top to bottom. Jesus death has opened the way for repented humans sinners from Old and New Test souls to enter heaven after death. All of the Venusians were created in heaven/Venus. The Humans were created from the dust of the ground inside the earth. It was the Godhead= God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit created man in their image and in their likeness.
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Post by intelchips on Oct 24, 2020 15:34:28 GMT -5
Fixed your statement in the interests of accuracy. Sorry, mate.... more than one person/me says Jesus is from Interior planet of Venus...
1) 2/2018 Major UFO Disclosure - Valiant/Donn Thor from Venus are Working at the Pentagon. U.S. space program is 1000 yrs advance than the current technology. An Intelligence briefing/information was revealed to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus. President said, "How are we going to tell people that!" 2) Frank Potter was a member of Inner Circle of Dr. Frank group/Melchizedek
"The Stranger at The Pentagon" book written by Pastor Frank E. Stranges is just the beginning. The many wonderful truths in the book "Outwitting Tomorrow" are only the tip of the iceberg. Val Thor an Elohim or "Created Being" whose home is on Venus is the leader of the Solar Councils mission to earth. He was directly commissioned by Sananda-Yehoshua The Christ to oversee the planetary redemption plans to liberate earth an to make the people of earth aware that we are not alone in the universe.
Valiant Thor also has spoken to the United Nations on several occasions. Val has worked with the governments of the world to offer them interplanetary cultural exchange which would allow earth to advance in terms of technology. The governments or Cabal refused his offer of assistance to earth many years ago because it would threaten their positions of power and make our financial systems obsolete. Open contact would bring in free energy and advanced healing putting the pharmaceutical industries of sickness as well as the oil and electrical companies out of business as well. The Stranger at The Pentagon. He met Dr. Frank Stranges at the pentagon in 1957 and began a long association which has been the source of a tremendous volume of spiritual information that Dr. Frank faithfully revealed to the world over his 61 year ministry. Dr. Frank was an earthly member of the council of 12. This council was comprised of 6 space family members and 6 earthly counterparts. This council met regularly and discussed the plans and actions of how to administer humanity into the realization we are not alone on earth and we are responsible for our own spiritual awareness. Dr Frank was given many lessons on the true history of the earth. He was also taken to Venus several times and to the inner earth agarthan network where he actually saw unicorns, mastadons and other dinosaurs including the famous Sasquatch. Commander Thor introduced him to large benevolent beings from 9-14 feet tall. Dr Frank was chosen by Val to share the revelations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which have been hidden from humanity by the Jewish authorities. He was privileged to meet the Ascended master Yehoshua the Christ on several occasions and you hear details of these astounding encounters. He was able to view holograms of earths ancient history on special "History Coins" which projected the records of the Akashic right before his eyes. He shares the truth of the star of Bethlehem and When Moses met the Burning Bush. He shares the true eyewitness details of the Last Supper. You will learned who killed both Kennedy's and the location of the 12 Victor class spaceships which encircle the earth in their mission to oversee and protect the earth from hostile forces. Perhaps if you used English better you would get more converts. Instead of "Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus." Try "Jesus was a visitor from the interior of the planet Venus." The Planet if not named "Interior." It's name is Venus. The location in the planet is within the interior. Also, please don't say things like "Dr Frank was chosen by Val to share the revelations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which have been hidden from humanity by the Jewish authorities." When you haven't the slights knowledge what you are talking about! Who are these "Jewish authorities?" Ninety percent of the readers of this forum know that the Dead Sea Scrolls where under the custody of a rebel group as far from the authorities as one could get. I'm not trying to embarrass you among your peers but you must stop this silliness so we can get back to worthwhile discussions.
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Post by nathan on Oct 24, 2020 16:03:06 GMT -5
Sorry, mate.... more than one person/me says Jesus is from Interior planet of Venus...
1) 2/2018 Major UFO Disclosure - Valiant/Donn Thor from Venus are Working at the Pentagon. U.S. space program is 1000 yrs advance than the current technology. An Intelligence briefing/information was revealed to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus. President said, "How are we going to tell people that!" 2) Frank Potter was a member of Inner Circle of Dr. Frank group/Melchizedek
"The Stranger at The Pentagon" book written by Pastor Frank E. Stranges is just the beginning. The many wonderful truths in the book "Outwitting Tomorrow" are only the tip of the iceberg. Val Thor an Elohim or "Created Being" whose home is on Venus is the leader of the Solar Councils mission to earth. He was directly commissioned by Sananda-Yehoshua The Christ to oversee the planetary redemption plans to liberate earth an to make the people of earth aware that we are not alone in the universe.
Valiant Thor also has spoken to the United Nations on several occasions. Val has worked with the governments of the world to offer them interplanetary cultural exchange which would allow earth to advance in terms of technology. The governments or Cabal refused his offer of assistance to earth many years ago because it would threaten their positions of power and make our financial systems obsolete. Open contact would bring in free energy and advanced healing putting the pharmaceutical industries of sickness as well as the oil and electrical companies out of business as well. The Stranger at The Pentagon. He met Dr. Frank Stranges at the pentagon in 1957 and began a long association which has been the source of a tremendous volume of spiritual information that Dr. Frank faithfully revealed to the world over his 61 year ministry. Dr. Frank was an earthly member of the council of 12. This council was comprised of 6 space family members and 6 earthly counterparts. This council met regularly and discussed the plans and actions of how to administer humanity into the realization we are not alone on earth and we are responsible for our own spiritual awareness. Dr Frank was given many lessons on the true history of the earth. He was also taken to Venus several times and to the inner earth agarthan network where he actually saw unicorns, mastadons and other dinosaurs including the famous Sasquatch. Commander Thor introduced him to large benevolent beings from 9-14 feet tall. Dr Frank was chosen by Val to share the revelations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which have been hidden from humanity by the Jewish authorities. He was privileged to meet the Ascended master Yehoshua the Christ on several occasions and you hear details of these astounding encounters. He was able to view holograms of earths ancient history on special "History Coins" which projected the records of the Akashic right before his eyes. He shares the truth of the star of Bethlehem and When Moses met the Burning Bush. He shares the true eyewitness details of the Last Supper. You will learned who killed both Kennedy's and the location of the 12 Victor class spaceships which encircle the earth in their mission to oversee and protect the earth from hostile forces. Perhaps if you used English better you would get more converts. Instead of "Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus." Try "Jesus was a visitor from the interior of the planet Venus." The Planet if not named "Interior." It's name is Venus. The location in the planet is within the interior. Also, please don't say things like "Dr Frank was chosen by Val to share the revelations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which have been hidden from humanity by the Jewish authorities." When you haven't the slights knowledge what you are talking about! Who are these "Jewish authorities?" Ninety percent of the readers of this forum know that the Dead Sea Scrolls where under the custody of a rebel group as far from the authorities as one could get. I'm not trying to embarrass you among your peers but you must stop this silliness so we can get back to worthwhile discussions. ** I KNOW what I am talking about because Frank Stranges explained these things in a lecture he gave at Kona, Hawaii in 2007. I posted the video on TMB many times in the past, a high ranking Jewish Rabbi leader belonged to the Rockerfellar group/Illuminati was with holding many important writings of the resurrected Jesus Dead Sea scrolls. Jesus and God don't live on the surface planet of Venus because it's too hot 800 F. but they and the angels live inside/interior of Venus, which temperature is 72 degree all year round. If you say Jesus from or lives on the surface of the planet Venus, most people will laugh at you, because nothing or beings can survive on the the surface of planet for very long time.
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Post by xna on Oct 24, 2020 17:05:26 GMT -5
I've read in the books of Joel and John and others that GOD is a spirit. . . . Then, it says in approximately 43 different places in the bible that GOD is EVERYWHERE. Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple. Sounds like he is on a spinning planet that is orbiting a star, otherwise there wouldn't be night and day. That fits with the Mormon star kolob story.
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Post by nathan on Oct 24, 2020 18:31:25 GMT -5
I've read in the books of Joel and John and others that GOD is a spirit. Then, it says in approximately 43 different places in the bible that GOD is EVERYWHERE. Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple. Sounds like he is on a spinning planet that is orbiting a star, otherwise there wouldn't be night and day. That fits with the Mormon star kolob story. ** We read in the book of Revelation God the Father sits on center throne in heaven/Venus and Christ's throne is next to HIM (right hand). Millions angels and 24 humans elders, and Old and New Testament believers souls surrounding God's thrones, singing, praising God and Christ's redemption for them. Christ revealed to the Christians on earth of the location in heaven= The morning Star! The bright and morning Star= The planet Venus, it has days and nights. The Christians on earth can see their heavenly home from earth. Therefore, don't give up your spiritual warfare on earth with Satan! Endure and keep true to the end as good soldiers and God will grant you the crown of life and your names will be written in the book of life.
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Post by xna on Oct 24, 2020 19:48:10 GMT -5
** We read in the book of Revelation God the Father sits on center throne in heaven/Venus and Christ's throne is next to HIM (right hand).
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Post by intelchips on Oct 24, 2020 20:21:15 GMT -5
Perhaps if you used English better you would get more converts. Instead of "Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus." Try "Jesus was a visitor from the interior of the planet Venus." The Planet if not named "Interior." It's name is Venus. The location in the planet is within the interior. Also, please don't say things like "Dr Frank was chosen by Val to share the revelations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which have been hidden from humanity by the Jewish authorities." When you haven't the slights knowledge what you are talking about! Who are these "Jewish authorities?" Ninety percent of the readers of this forum know that the Dead Sea Scrolls where under the custody of a rebel group as far from the authorities as one could get. I'm not trying to embarrass you among your peers but you must stop this silliness so we can get back to worthwhile discussions. ** I KNOW what I am talking about because Frank Stranges explained these things in a lecture he gave at Kona, Hawaii in 2007. I posted the video on TMB many times in the past, a high ranking Jewish Rabbi leader belonged to the Rockerfellar group/Illuminati was with holding many important writings of the resurrected Jesus Dead Sea scrolls. Jesus and God don't live on the surface planet of Venus because it's too hot 800 F. but they and the angels live inside/interior of Venus, which temperature is 72 degree all year round. If you say Jesus from or lives on the surface of the planet Venus, most people will laugh at you, because nothing or beings can survive on the the surface of planet for very long time. I can see by your response that you can read but you failed to understand a single thing I wrote to you. I never said anything about living on the surface. As for the Dead Sea Scrolls I have studied their discovery and the way interpretations and conversion to English etc. And I haven't just taken a single view on any of these aspect of them. I have looked at the various specialists and then made my judgment on them. Also you worry about people laughing at me. I think its not me they are laughing at. I fact I'm thinking of the words to a song: And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa They're coming to take me away ho-ho hee-hee ha-haaa To the funny farm Where life is beautiful all the time And I'll be happy to see those nice young men In their clean white coats And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa
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Post by nathan on Oct 24, 2020 21:11:17 GMT -5
** I KNOW what I am talking about because Frank Stranges explained these things in a lecture he gave at Kona, Hawaii in 2007. I posted the video on TMB many times in the past, a high ranking Jewish Rabbi leader belonged to the Rockerfellar group/Illuminati was with holding many important writings of the resurrected Jesus Dead Sea scrolls. Jesus and God don't live on the surface planet of Venus because it's too hot 800 F. but they and the angels live inside/interior of Venus, which temperature is 72 degree all year round. If you say Jesus from or lives on the surface of the planet Venus, most people will laugh at you, because nothing or beings can survive on the the surface of planet for very long time. I can see by your response that you can read but you failed to understand a single thing I wrote to you. I never said anything about living on the surface. As for the Dead Sea Scrolls I have studied their discovery and the way interpretations and conversion to English etc. And I haven't just taken a single view on any of these aspect of them. I have looked at the various specialists and then made my judgment on them. Also you worry about people laughing at me. I think its not me they are laughing at. I fact I'm thinking of the words to a song: And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa They're coming to take me away ho-ho hee-hee ha-haaa To the funny farm Where life is beautiful all the time And I'll be happy to see those nice young men In their clean white coats And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa *** The Dead Sea Scrolls I have received are truly Amazing! The writtngs of Jesus Christ to humanity in the last days. I posted these writtings on here in the past.
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Post by intelchips on Oct 24, 2020 22:50:58 GMT -5
I can see by your response that you can read but you failed to understand a single thing I wrote to you. I never said anything about living on the surface. As for the Dead Sea Scrolls I have studied their discovery and the way interpretations and conversion to English etc. And I haven't just taken a single view on any of these aspect of them. I have looked at the various specialists and then made my judgment on them. Also you worry about people laughing at me. I think its not me they are laughing at. I fact I'm thinking of the words to a song: And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa They're coming to take me away ho-ho hee-hee ha-haaa To the funny farm Where life is beautiful all the time And I'll be happy to see those nice young men In their clean white coats And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa *** The Dead Sea Scrolls I have received are truly Amazing! The writtngs of Jesus Christ to humanity in the last days. I posted these writtings on here in the past. If what you say about receiving is true then you have been deceived. In all that is known of the scrolls not one single one of them supports the idea the Jesus wrote one single word in them.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 24, 2020 23:03:14 GMT -5
*** The Dead Sea Scrolls I have received are truly Amazing! The writtngs of Jesus Christ to humanity in the last days. I posted these writtings on here in the past. If what you say about receiving is true then you have been deceived. In all that is known of the scrolls not one single one of them supports the idea the Jesus wrote one single word in them. You are exactly right.
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Post by nathan on Oct 24, 2020 23:16:45 GMT -5
*** The Dead Sea Scrolls I have received are truly Amazing! The writtngs of Jesus Christ to humanity in the last days. I posted these writtings on here in the past. If what you say about receiving is true then you have been deceived. In all that is known of the scrolls not one single one of them supports the idea the Jesus wrote one single word in them. I KNOW and you can be wrong... just like the gospels Jesus didn't write any of His teachings but the apostles did it through the help of the Holy Spirit, who brought back to their memories what he said and taught. The Dead Sea Scrolls, Jesus spoke to His trusted followers or the angels and they wrote it for Him like they (Matthew and John) did with the two gospels or he/Christ wrote it down Himself.We/Christians KNOW Jesus is ALIVE and He is in heaven/Venus. Christ/God used to come down to earth in human body form and talked and had fellowship with to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden before the Fall, Christ visited Abraham and Sarah face to face, speaking from heaven to the prophets, and kings in the Old Testament. 2000 years ago, Christ/God incarnated Himself in the person Jesus and lived in that human body for 33 1/2 years then he paid the ransom price for mankind, after death He ascended back to heaven, where he came from to be with God the Father.
I believe The Resurrected Jesus has come and visited earth the last 2000 years like He did in the Old Testament time. Christ came down from heaven/Venus and converted Saul to become one of His trusted and loyal apostles in the 1st century and through down the centuries also... Jesus can write and speak English or any known languages to humans and non-humans alike. He is the Creator of mankind and everything in the Universe, you KNOW! He SAID so!~~ Jesus The Great " I AM " God (From The Dead Sea Scrolls found in caves 1947) I, the Lord God of creation, who was and who is and who shall always be the one true God, the mind, the very center of the Universe, speaks to your own heart. The words that I have spoken to my prophets Moses and others were that he should recognize that the great “I Am.” filled his being with the power and the authority to open his mouth in my name and to proclaim his words as a living words that I placed deeply within him. I have in times past spoken through the mouths of my prophets and then through the mouths of my apostles. Now the times and seasons are approaching, as are the reasons, when my words shall again be spoken by my obedient prophets and apostles. Their words shall be my words and their deeds that shall be my deeds, because I have spoken this thing before the World was ever formed. Those words that I now speak shall be hidden for a season and then shall be revealed in the last times I shall cause the Earth to quake and the sunlight, which represents the new dawning, shall shine brightly upon those who are appointed to carry my words from the darkness of the caves to the bright sunlight of my new revelation to all mankind ... and mankind shall read and they shall study those words and they shall find that they are the words that will cause an awakening to occur in the minds of mankind. It has been said in times past that I am in the wind and I am in the fire and I am into the waters. These words are not true. The truth of this matter is that I am the wind. I am the fire. I am the water. I am in everything and in everything that exists. When you touch the mountain, you touch me. When you are touching the water, you are touching me. When you touch the fire, you are touching me. I am the Lord of the Universe and there is not one place that I am not. I am not in the flowers, the plants, the fruit of the land, but I am the flowers. I am the plants. I am the fruit of the land. Mankind will climb into the heavens. I am not in the heavenly, but I am the heavenly. When I created man from the dust of the Earth, I was the dust of the Earth and I was and am the breath of life that causes mankind to live.
Say not that the Lord your God is in the heavens or on the Earth. I am the heavens and I am the Earth. Now you have received the true revelation of my word, which was spoken to you in times past. The word said that I am everywhere present. I am omnipresent. I am not part of myself, but rather I am the whole of the Universe. Wherever you look, wherever you come or go, whatever you do or say, I am there in the midst of you because I am not only in, but rather I am you!
It shall be written in the future that man is the universe. I say to you that I do not dwell in the universe of mankind, but I am that Universe of Mankind, and there is no separation whatsoever. These words that I have spoken to you at this time and in this place are that you might believe the truth of the message that as my Father is one with me so is the Spirit one with me. Now I am likewise in you and you are in me and that means I am one and you are with me. Have I not spoken these words in the past that I am in you and you are in me? (John 17:21) Jesus said, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Let this testimony be with you forever and forever, as we together traverse the streets of that sojourn from dawn to night. Be at peace and look deeply within yourself and you will find me. Again I have spoken the words in the past that you are indeed gods. I am your God. This revelation is of utmost importance and you must believe the whole truth as I have spoken it in your pure hearing. I say to you, allow the vibrations of your spirit, your inner ear, be unstopped and hear what the Spirit says to you at this hour. I am the center of your universe, because I am the whole of your universe. Know this, for this is the word of the living God, the Creator of all things which are. In time and seasons to come this word will be revealed to you and you shall behold the brightness of this truth, and you shall say, “This is the light for which I have long awaited. This is the revelation that will hold and maintain me through every experience of life.” Beware, there are those who would destroy this truth, but they shall not be able to destroy this truth because the truth abides in you and you abide in the truth. I have spoken in times past. And I have said that the truth shall cause many to walk in freedom, out of darkness and satanic bondage. And they shall have no further influence or rule over you. I have spoken these truths by the words of my lips and these words are true. Accept them and you shall live in peace, in joy and in victory over all things. Amen! You are invited to share this information with others, but kindly acknowledge copyright and keep this article intact. © Dr. Frank E. Stranges
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Post by nathan on Oct 24, 2020 23:41:26 GMT -5
Words of encouragement from our Lord God Jesus Christ the Creator of the Universe
Also from Cave # 7 1. "My Dear Children, by the time you read these words, many years will have passed since my death and resurrection. The times and seasons will be different from the times which I have spent with my disciples. You will be living in perilous days and nights. But you will be aware of my presence with you at all times because this I have already committed to you long ago." 2. "My message to you is to stand fast and hold to that which has been proven to be just and true. Do not hold onto those things of this present world but rather seek first my kingdom and you will be the recipients of all that is good and Holy." 3. "These shall prove to be great days and nights of trials and tribulations. But you, my chosen ones, will rejoice because I have made a way for you were there was no way. You will find that My Words shall never return to me empty or void. You will live in total expectation that I am God of My Word. Yes, I shall keep My Word to you everyday that you live. Then, if and when you depart from your present clothing of flesh, you shall instantly be transformed to be with me for all eternity."4. "I am presently continuing to prepare a wonderful place for you. When that place is completely prepared for you and My message of My kingdom has been carried throughout the planet, then you shall see and witness positive signs of my soon return. Keep your faith and trust in Me because I am the Lord who has promised to be at your side forever." 5. "Many will attempt to steal your crown and rob you of your joy. But they can never succeed because of My Presence with you. What you have hidden in the deep recesses of your heart can never be removed by the enemy of your soul. Maintain a strong faith in me and My Word and you shall never perish but enjoy life everlasting which I have provided you." 6. "May these words be of continuous comfort to you and to your children. Speak to them in words of joy and comfort, which have been rooted and grounded in My Holy Word. Continue to strive to perform good works among men. Allow the brightness of your own life to dispel the shadows of doubt and fear." 7. "When you read these words much prophecy will have already come to pass, however, more prophetic events will take place to assure you that I am the Lord God. I am the Lord who has permitted many things to occur in the past in order to prepare you for tomorrow. Be of good cheer. Love one another and continue to keep My Word, always." From the Copper Scrolls Cave #3
11. "You shall also witness my angels and my Heavenly Messengers who will visit you in their chariots and assure you of the Gifts of God." 12. "My Heavenly Messengers will also bear you up on the wings of deliverance as I so instructed them to do." 13. "They will speak of me and my Glory and will show signs and wonders at my command. My Heavenly Messengers will also council you in the ways of the Lord and will reveal to you the wonders of the Universe, at My Command." 14. "Let your faith and confidence in me never waiver. I am with you, Always." Copper Scrolls Cave #3 The Master speaking, "Do not permit your pure mind to become troubled in any form but rather allow your faith and your belief to solely rest in Almighty God. You believe whole-heartedly in Almighty God, you also believe in Me with all of your heart, mind and spirit. In our universe, which I have created, there are multitudes of places and orbs which, along with the Earth, shall be your future dwelling places." "I have already prepared many places for you to visit and to also dwell in the future. In reality, because I Am God, I shall be with you always everywhere and will always accompany you. And when the time is ripe you shall know that I have already made a way for you to be transformed and then you shall dwell with me in those other places. In that manner, we shall never be apart again for I shall be with you, always." "I have already made provisions so do not allow your pure mind, your pure heart or your spirit to become disturbed. I am well aware that the evil one and his followers have already tried and tempted you and attempted to try your faith. He is very busy and his evil activities shall increase as the time of the end shall appear." "His own angels whom I have cast out of the Heavenly, down to Earth, are busy attempting to, in every way, to destroy your faith. But young children shall be assisted by My Angels and other Heavenly Messengers, who will reveal themselves in chariots of fire. They will bring you a message that will cause you to be web.archive.org/web/20161213193255/http://www.rense.com/general66/cave.htm
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Post by Grant on Oct 25, 2020 2:51:45 GMT -5
Fake scrolls Nathan.
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Post by chuck on Oct 25, 2020 6:13:45 GMT -5
Hebrews 10:29. Understand Yom Kippur, Leviticus 16. That's a 2x2ism definition of righteous. Now what is the Hebrew definition of righteous? The life of Christ within is one who accepts it's already done. A Atheist can have the Character of Christ. No God talk involved, no being saved for a eternal eutopia in the clouds thinking, no religous rituals, Let that sink in. God's spirit is in everyone. All of your language is based on having to earn it. Which is why you think only certain people have God's Spirit or have done enough to earn it. Establishing your own righteousness with God talk. I thought you meant that verse, now look at a few more verses before that, particularly verse 26 (caps for emphasis) Hebrews 10:26 FOR IF WE SIN WILFULLY AFTER THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? So those verses are about those who wilfully sin after knowing the truth, and it says they will be judged. And counting the blood of the covenant (the life of Christ and the word he preached through the Spirit, which is how we are sanctified) unholy, is when we know God, know the truth, and live to please ourselves and carry on wilfully sinning, then we go against the gospel and the life of Jesus and disobey the word of God. And we are sanctified by the word of God, being washed by the water of the word and it separates us from the world. John 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Ephesians 5 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. We are sanctified through Christ by the word of God through the Spirit. Meaning, once we hear the truth and it starts to work on our hearts, we start to turn from sin and obey the word of God. Then God will bless us with his Spirit and he will help us to overcome and he will separate us from ways of this world, cleansing our hearts, washing us clean with the water of the word as we walk in the spirit and bare witness to the truth. And not everybody has God's Spirit, God gives his Spirit to those who obey him. Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, WHOM GOD HATH GIVEN TO THOSE WHO OBEY HIM. You are covering sin making out that you are ok to sin and God will be ok with that, that's what Adam tried to do, but we are naked in God's eyes and he sees everything we do. We are to turn from wilfully sinning and live by the will of God, you aren't teaching the truth. God will judge us on what we do good and bad. 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Mary I've heard this most of my life. Can you say anything the workers haven't told you?. To sin wilfully to these people was to try and establish your own righteousness. And if your rejecting the work of Christ there is no other sacrifice that will do the job. So all your trying, sacrificing, doing God's will ect ect is sinning if you think it makes Christ's finished work effective. God's spirit is in everyone. The Holy Spirit is a little different. I struggle to understand it, it seems to the Hebrew people it was the knowledge of God is the Holy Spirit. 2x2's use of the word holy spirit is rediculous. Where did I say it's ok to sin because God will cover it anyway?. Judgment was a pruning term. The Nature of Christ prunes the crap out of your life.
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