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Post by Ross.Bowden on Oct 25, 2020 7:50:39 GMT -5
Those who are born again of the Spirit are acutely aware that their very life and future depends on the fact that Christ dealt with their sin and enabled them to enter into the Father’s presence because of what Christ did for them on Calvary. It is simply impossible for us either to please God or even approach Him without acknowledging our complete reliance on His death in our place. The verses in John that you quoted underscore this eternal truth. Of course those who are born again of the Spirit will want Him to work to make us more like Jesus - it is His work that we rely on and Christ’s righteousness alone that saves us. It is not our work nor our righteousness. Well that's not what Jesus taught, Jesus taught that we are to do the will of God and that we are to lose our lives to save it. This is death to self. Jesus taught that we are to deny ourselves, and take up our cross to follow him, and in doing so we partake in the sufferings of Christ. Which is to turn from the ways of this world and loving the high places and loving people looking up to us loving the praise of men, and become humble and lowly, and if the word of God is established in our hearts, we should be humble and we will want to turn from sin and the ways of this world because we love God, and we will see that we are no better than anyone else. Those who belong go God are lights in a dark world and this is because they walk with Christ in their hearts. So his life should be seen in and through them, his light should be shining through those who belong to him. You are all death of Jesus, that's all you talk about, and as you said that's the core of your Christian beliefs. The core of my beliefs is the life and teachings of Jesus, and obeying the word of God and following Jesus in word and deed. And in doing so we become a doer of the word and not a hearer only this is what it is to truly follow Jesus. And those who are truly raised with Christ will live it out and walk the walk of Jesus and live by the will of God. It's not a do nothing gospel, we are clearly taught to be doers and if we are being guided by the Spirit then we will be being prompted and taught to do what's right before God daily in our hearts. So many say Jesus died for me and there's nothing I can do, and then they carry on living how they please. But God should be changing our hearts to be more like that of Jesus. It's not just repenting, it's repenting and being converted, those who are converted are dead to their old ways and alive in God, loving him and living to please him, turning from sin and caring for others when they see in need in their daily lives. This is truly living by the will of God, and those who truly love him will obey his word, obey the gospel and do the works that please God. It's pretty obvious from Scripture that once we are born again, we are to live for God and obey what He asks us to do. We do this in deep thankfulness for what He has done for us - not to somehow earn brownie points. We would be simply proud, arrogant and not thinking straight if we felt that we could somehow earn our salvation based on what we do. Salvation is not a contract - it's a relationship based on an enormous gift of grace from the One who gives all. You write a lot about the need to obey God's Word but you reject hundreds and hundreds of passages that cover the most precious gift (the very essence of the gospel) that mankind has ever received in Christ's death on Calvary's cross. The very gift that provides a solution for sin and death, enables reconciliation with the Father, provides redemption from sin, removes Satan's power over death, and enables those who trust in Christ to escape the judgement and wrath of God. I don't get why anyone who claims to love Jesus would reject Scripture and disobey God's Word in that way - it is genuinely very puzzling. You also write a lot about turning from sin but yet reject the very covering for sin that Christ provided ONCE for ALL on Calvary's cross. God couldn't be clearer in His Word - if someone rejects the solution for sin that God has provided in and through Christ they reject redemption, forgiveness, salvation and an eternal relationship with God the Father. Again, I don't understand why anyone would do this - unless they felt that what they had to offer Christ was superior to what He had done for them. It seems your gospel is all about what you can do for God but that's not what God's Word or the gospel are about at all.
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Post by slowtosee on Oct 25, 2020 8:38:54 GMT -5
Pride , self -reliance - I m not a “free loader “ like others , and EARN my way , doing what’s right - would be some ideas to why we , as humans , have a hard time to accept the “free” , but very costly gift of salvation
Alvin
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Post by nathan on Oct 25, 2020 10:07:41 GMT -5
Sorry, no Fake Scrolls... It came from Jesus and the Venusians angels... and it's in line with the teachings of Jesus.
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Post by intelchips on Oct 25, 2020 10:17:03 GMT -5
Sorry, no Fake Scrolls... It came from Jesus and the Venusians angels... and it's in line with the teachings of Jesus.
What would it take for you to know a fake scroll?
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Post by nathan on Oct 25, 2020 10:27:22 GMT -5
Sorry, no Fake Scrolls... It came from Jesus and the Venusians angels... and it's in line with the teachings of Jesus.
What would it take for you to know a fake scroll? Well, I can ask you the same thing what would it take for you to BELIEVE the scrolls are NOT FAKE? and will you become a Christian if it's NOT fake?
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Post by intelchips on Oct 25, 2020 10:36:00 GMT -5
What would it take for you to know a fake scroll? Well, I can ask you the same thing what would it take for you to BELIEVE the scrolls are NOT FAKE? and will you become a Christian if it's NOT fake?It would take them being on the inventory list of the scrolls at the museum. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_Dead_Sea_Scrolls
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Post by intelchips on Oct 25, 2020 10:45:40 GMT -5
Also consider provenance. This term indicates the chain of custody for an ancient artifact from its discovery onward. Experts consider precise knowledge and documentation regarding when and where an object was unearthed and what was subsequently done with it as more revealing of authenticity than many scientific tests – which, by the way, may wind up verifying an artifact that they simultaneously damage.
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Post by nathan on Oct 25, 2020 13:54:58 GMT -5
Well, I can ask you the same thing what would it take for you to BELIEVE the scrolls are NOT FAKE? and will you become a Christian if it's NOT fake? It would take them being on the inventory list of the scrolls at the museum. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_Dead_Sea_Scrolls** This is what I heard and read about Dead Sea scrolls that I posted... The Jewish Rabbi Rockerfeller/Illuminati organization foundation has some of Jesus writings in their possession but they are NOT sharing with the public. The Rabbi was very shocked when some of Jesus writings were published in Dead Sea scrolls books and on the Internet. God and Christ gave their approval to publish it to the world. Later on I will post the Video of how this person obtained the classified Dead Sea scrolls... Is truly AMAZING!
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Post by Grant on Oct 25, 2020 15:43:41 GMT -5
** This is what I heard and read about Dead Sea scrolls that I posted... The Jewish Rabbi Rockerfella organization foundation has some of Jesus writings in their possession but they are NOT sharing with the public. The Rabbi was very shocked when some of Jesus writings were published in Dead Sea scrolls books and on the Internet. God and Christ gave their approval to publish it to the world. Later on I will post the Video of how this person obtained the classified Dead Sea scrolls... Is truly AMAZING! Nathan, what you quote is not from the Dead Sea scrolls but some thing made up by someone who has likely never seen the Scolls but claims their interpretation has been given to them from God. Your Frank Strange did not have access to the scrolls. If you believe that the planets are hollow because someone says so, you'd believe anything.
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Post by nathan on Oct 25, 2020 17:06:06 GMT -5
** This is what I heard and read about Dead Sea scrolls that I posted... The Jewish Rabbi Rockerfella organization foundation has some of Jesus writings in their possession but they are NOT sharing with the public. The Rabbi was very shocked when some of Jesus writings were published in Dead Sea scrolls books and on the Internet. God and Christ gave their approval to publish it to the world. Later on I will post the Video of how this person obtained the classified Dead Sea scrolls... Is truly AMAZING! Nathan, what you quote is not from the Dead Sea scrolls but some thing made up by someone who claims their interpretation has been given to them from God. Your Frank Strange did not have access to the scrolls. If you believe that the planets are hollow because someone says so, you'd believe anything. You should have listened to Frank's lecture in Kona, Hawaii 2007 where he explained Who gave it to him and HOW he got the writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Frank gave the whole history of this person Val T. The Guardian human looking angel, and he is from Interior planet of Venus and Christ is His Creator. I posted the Video so many times in the past. I have posted many a few tesimonies who entered the hollow/inner earth for 10 years. The Air Force and the Navy intelligence and CIA gov't have secret bases deep down under grounds for over 70 yrs such as Area51 in Nevada, Dulce New Mexico and many places throughout the U.S. and around the world. By the way, Adam and Eve were inner earth dwellers when they were created, because of sin and disobedience against God they were cast to the surface to toil foods for themselves and Satan/Serpent will be their god and master instead the Christ/their Creator the Tree of life. It was in the Garden of Eden/hollow earth, where Adam and Eve SOLD theirs souls and human children souls to Satan/Serpent... So, after death all Old Testament believers and unbelievers souls MUST Stay after death inside the inner/hollow earth as prisoners of Satan. The Old Testament believers wait in Hades for Christ/God Jesus to pay for their ransom price so they could be set FREE! The unbelievers souls from Old and New Test MUST stay there until the judgment day.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 25, 2020 17:15:02 GMT -5
What would it take for you to know a fake scroll? Well, I can ask you the same thing what would it take for you to BELIEVE the scrolls are NOT FAKE? and will you become a Christian if it's NOT fake?
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Post by jetmech on Oct 25, 2020 17:23:14 GMT -5
Well, I can ask you the same thing what would it take for you to BELIEVE the scrolls are NOT FAKE? and will you become a Christian if it's NOT fake? Nathan I've been thinking about you and contemplating about your Vietnamese wife who is Buddhist right? As much as you know about the Bible it's hard to even imagine that you were once Buddhist. You grew up Buddhist right? Do you have a Bible written in Vietnamese? Do your children and does your wife ever show an interest in the Bible? I know the mother usually has a strong influence on what the children believe, so do your children believe at all in the Bible? None of this is ANY of my business, and if you don't want to answer believe me I will understand. Are there Buddhist Bibles written in english? It would be interested to " mill through" a Buddhist Bible and see whatthey believe.
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Post by intelchips on Oct 25, 2020 17:45:22 GMT -5
Well, I can ask you the same thing what would it take for you to BELIEVE the scrolls are NOT FAKE? and will you become a Christian if it's NOT fake? I do accept that the scrolls listed on the wiki I posted above "are not fake," as far as being a Christian that has nothing to do with the scrolls. In fact Jesus was not a Christian. Christians are followers of Paul and are far removed from the scrolls. And the times we live in are far removed from Paul and his nonsense. We living today have real problems that need to be solved so the human race might continue to exist until "Gotterdammerung."
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Post by nathan on Oct 25, 2020 18:00:46 GMT -5
Nathan I've been thinking about you and contemplating about your Vietnamese wife who is Buddhist right? As much as you know about the Bible it's hard to even imagine that you were once Buddhist. You grew up Buddhist right? Do you have a Bible written in Vietnamese? Do your children and does your wife ever show an interest in the Bible? I know the mother usually has a strong influence on what the children believe, so do your children believe at all in the Bible? None of this is ANY of my business, and if you don't want to answer believe me I will understand. Are there Buddhist Bibles written in english? It would be interested to " mill through" a Buddhist Bible and see what they believe. ** I grew up in the Chinese ancestors worship, attend RCC private all boys school remember the Mass, became a Buddhist, a Pentecostal believer, and finally met the two workers in 1978 on the island of Guam. My wife's father was studying to be a RCC priest and her mother is a Buddhist. My wife and son have a great respect for the workers and when the right time comes they will know what to do. My life has been a great support for me to spent so much time on the TMB and the Internet. With a different wife she might divorce me already. I have a Vietnamese KJ/NIV Bible that I read sometimes. I study a little of Buddhism and their teachings. They believe in good works, don't do any harms to animals or people. They are peaceble, loving and loving people. You can find Buddha's teachings on line.
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Post by nathan on Oct 25, 2020 18:20:48 GMT -5
I do accept that the scrolls listed on the wiki I posted above "are not fake," as far as being a Christian that has nothing to do with the scrolls. In fact Jesus was not a Christian. Christians are followers of Paul and are far removed from the scrolls. And the times we live in are far removed from Paul and his nonsense. We living today have real problems that need to be solved so the human race might continue to exist until "Gotterdammerung." *** Jesus is God the Christ the 2nd Person of the Godhead, the Creator of all things which are existed on earth and in the Universe. Jesus said to Ananais one of his followers that Saul/Paul was a CHOSEN vessel to carry the gospel to all nations and to be a witness to governors, kings and emperor Nero. Paul had a CLEAR and WONDERFUL knowledge Jesus was/is the Christ/God. Pauline teachings SAVED Christianity from going back to worshipping and observing the Old Testament of Moses, which leads ONLY to the graves/DEATH and NOT to Life eternal in Christ Jesus.
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Post by intelchips on Oct 25, 2020 18:37:17 GMT -5
I do accept that the scrolls listed on the wiki I posted above "are not fake," as far as being a Christian that has nothing to do with the scrolls. In fact Jesus was not a Christian. Christians are followers of Paul and are far removed from the scrolls. And the times we live in are far removed from Paul and his nonsense. We living today have real problems that need to be solved so the human race might continue to exist until "Gotterdammerung." *** Jesus is God the Christ the 2nd Person of the Godhead, the Creator of all things which are existed on earth and in the Universe. Jesus said to Ananais one of his followers that Saul/Paul was a CHOSEN vessel to carry the gospel to all nations and to be a witness to governors, kings and emperor Nero. Paul had a CLEAR and WONDERFUL knowledge Jesus was/is the Christ/God. Pauline teachings SAVED Christianity from going back to worshipping and observing the Old Testament of Moses, which leads ONLY to the graves/DEATH and NOT to Life eternal in Christ Jesus. Paul was a Herodian Jewish mutt. Paul never met Jesus. Paul knew Jesus was his and the Herodian's enemy. Paul got a brilliant idea to use Jesus as a icon to tame the Jews from trying to throw off the Roman overlords whom were the Herodian supporters. Paul put many words in Jesus's mouth in support of loving Romans and peacefully paying taxes to them.
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Post by nathan on Oct 25, 2020 19:24:31 GMT -5
*** Jesus is God the Christ the 2nd Person of the Godhead, the Creator of all things which are existed on earth and in the Universe. Jesus said to Ananais one of his followers that Saul/Paul was a CHOSEN vessel to carry the gospel to all nations and to be a witness to governors, kings and emperor Nero. Paul had a CLEAR and WONDERFUL knowledge Jesus was/is the Christ/God. Pauline teachings SAVED Christianity from going back to worshipping and observing the Old Testament of Moses, which leads ONLY to the graves/DEATH and NOT to Life eternal in Christ Jesus. Paul was a Herodian Jewish mutt. Paul never met Jesus. Paul knew Jesus was his and the Herodian's enemy. Paul got a brilliant idea to use Jesus as a icon to tame the Jews from trying to throw off the Roman overlords whom were the Herodian supporters. Paul put many words in Jesus's mouth in support of loving Romans and peacefully paying taxes to them. *** Saul before his conversion was a BAD dude, putting Jesus followers in prison and he put some to death then on the way to Damascus he saw the Resurrected Jesus in His glorious God form which he possessed before begotten as a God man/Jesus. Saul changed his name to Paul, he wanted to forget and leave his awful past behind. Paul's past sins made him to become one of the most loyal and trust worthy apostles of Christ. Paul's past made him a mighty Warrior for Christ, it changed his life and Christianity for the better or more Christ/God focus instead of Moses/the servant of the Law giver.
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Post by jetmech on Oct 25, 2020 22:22:34 GMT -5
Paul was a Herodian Jewish mutt. Paul never met Jesus. Paul knew Jesus was his and the Herodian's enemy. Paul got a brilliant idea to use Jesus as a icon to tame the Jews from trying to throw off the Roman overlords whom were the Herodian supporters. Paul put many words in Jesus's mouth in support of loving Romans and peacefully paying taxes to them. *** Saul before his conversion was a BAD dude, putting Jesus followers in prison and he put some to death then on the way to Damascus he saw the Resurrected Jesus in His glorious God form which he possessed before begotten as a God man/Jesus. Saul changed his name to Paul, he wanted to forget and leave his awful past behind. Paul's past sins made him to become one of the most loyal and trust worthy apostles of Christ. Paul's past made him a mighty Warrior for Christ, it changed his life and Christianity for the better or more Christ/God focus instead of Moses/the servant of the Law giver. Nathan I still say you have a marvelous understanding of the Bible although I can't hang with the Venus ideas you espouse. You still have a fantastic knowledge of the Bible, your english is very good, and considering where you grew up it is truly amazing how far you've come and how advanced you are. I'm sure if any of us tried to master the Vietnamese language we'd make some sorry sorry mistakes too. I wonder if knowing more than one language is good for your memory ... I've heard it is excellent for your memory, and I wonder too if the Vietnamese translation changes anything in the KJV Bible? I think sometimes your disagreements with the workers may stem from your better understanding of language syntax than the workers. I find you interesting Nathan because I had a brother and a cousin in Vietnam in the army. I had orders to go there and went through training but Pres Nixon changed that and I didn't have to go. Anyway, I can't see why people are so down on you and disrespect you so much, yet so many people come to you with Biblical questions. It's easy to be hateful, and mean, and disrespectful to someone when one doesn't take the time to understand their differences; I learned this from being reared as a foster kid. It's more difficult to unwrap another person's true soul and self and genuinely try to get a feel for that person, and try to grasp their biases, contrasts, and differences in language, and culture, and actually 'give a little' and accept them as they are instead of how we think they ought to be. Hang in there Nathan and keep on ... FULL STEAM AHEAD. I miss the old days when you and Greg Lee used to go to a chat room on Sat nights and go at it! Like I say I never saw you back down! lol You're great Nathan and I get a kick outa you!
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 25, 2020 22:58:11 GMT -5
What would it take for you to know a fake scroll? Well, I can ask you the same thing what would it take for you to BELIEVE the scrolls are NOT FAKE? and will you become a Christian if it's NOT fake? Why should the validity of the scrolls decide whether one "become a Christian?"
The scrolls describe beliefs & history of one small period in time and in one small area of the world .
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Post by nathan on Oct 25, 2020 23:22:07 GMT -5
*** Saul before his conversion was a BAD dude, putting Jesus followers in prison and he put some to death then on the way to Damascus he saw the Resurrected Jesus in His glorious God form which he possessed before begotten as a God man/Jesus. Saul changed his name to Paul, he wanted to forget and leave his awful past behind. Paul's past sins made him to become one of the most loyal and trust worthy apostles of Christ. Paul's past made him a mighty Warrior for Christ, it changed his life and Christianity for the better or more Christ/God focus instead of Moses/the servant of the Law giver. Nathan I still say you have a marvelous understanding of the Bible although I can't hang with the Venus ideas you espouse. ~~ Someday, these things will make sense to you... Give it some time, it has taken me a long time to put many of the pieces of the puzzle together, it didn't come together over a few years.... 20 plus years or so.
You still have a fantastic knowledge of the Bible, your English is very good, and considering where you grew up it is truly amazing how far you've come and how advanced you are. I'm sure if any of us tried to master the Vietnamese language we'd make some sorry sorry mistakes too. I wonder if knowing more than one language is good for your memory ... I've heard it is excellent for your memory, and I wonder too if the Vietnamese translation changes anything in the KJV Bible? ~~ It is the Holy Spirit who reveals and gives us the Understanding of the Godhead, God the Father, Christ the Lord God our Savior and Himself.... Whether in KJV, NIV or any other translations...
I think sometimes your disagreements with the workers may stem from your better understanding of language syntax than the workers. I find you interesting Nathan because I had a brother and a cousin in Vietnam in the army. I had orders to go there and went through training but Pres Nixon changed that and I didn't have to go. Anyway, I can't see why people are so down on you and disrespect you so much, yet so many people come to you with Biblical questions. ~~ God has opened my eyes of understanding so He will do with others also in due time. These things I have learned had been revealed to others before me, I am a late comer.
It's easy to be hateful, and mean, and disrespectful to someone when one doesn't take the time to understand their differences; I learned this from being reared as a foster kid. It's more difficult to unwrap another person's true soul and self and genuinely try to get a feel for that person, and try to grasp their biases, contrasts, and differences in language, and culture, and actually 'give a little' and accept them as they are instead of how we think they ought to be. Hang in there Nathan and keep on ... FULL STEAM AHEAD. ~~ Thanks, my old friend... You keep on asking good questions, others appreciate your spirit and attitude of learning. May the Lord God our Savior open your ears and heart of understanding on these things.
I miss the old days when you and Greg Lee used to go to a chat room on Sat nights and go at it! Like I say I never saw you back down! lol You're great Nathan and I get a kick outa you! ~~ Thanks, I have learned a lot from many friends and foes alike on TMB for the last 20 years. I have learned things from many of you... you made me think and God gives me the answers....
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Post by nathan on Oct 25, 2020 23:33:16 GMT -5
Well, I can ask you the same thing what would it take for you to BELIEVE the scrolls are NOT FAKE? and will you become a Christian if it's NOT fake? Why should the validity of the scrolls decide whether one "become a Christian?"
The scrolls describe beliefs & history of one small period in time and in one small area of the world .
Here is the BIGGEST secret of them ALL...The HOLY Grail! Once a person understand Jesus the I AM God it will change your life and the way of worship. Jesus own words are VERY powerful.From Wikipedia: The term "holy grail" is often used to denote an elusive object or goal that is sought after for its great significance. The Holy Grail (Breton: Graal Santel, Welsh: Greal Sanctaidd, Cornish: Gral) is a treasure that serves as an important motif in Arthurian literature. Different traditions describe it as a cup, dish or stone with miraculous powers that provide happiness, eternal youth or sustenance in infinite abundance, often in the custody of the Fisher King. ~~ Jesus The Great " I AM " God (From The Dead Sea Scrolls found in caves 1947) I, the Lord God of creation, who was and who is and who shall always be the one true God, the mind, the very center of the Universe, speaks to your own heart. The words that I have spoken to my prophets Moses and others were that he should recognize that the great “I Am.” filled his being with the power and the authority to open his mouth in my name and to proclaim his words as a living words that I placed deeply within him. I have in times past spoken through the mouths of my prophets and then through the mouths of my apostles. Now the times and seasons are approaching, as are the reasons, when my words shall again be spoken by my obedient prophets and apostles. Their words shall be my words and their deeds that shall be my deeds, because I have spoken this thing before the World was ever formed. Those words that I now speak shall be hidden for a season and then shall be revealed in the last times
I shall cause the Earth to quake and the sunlight, which represents the new dawning, shall shine brightly upon those who are appointed to carry my words from the darkness of the caves to the bright sunlight of my new revelation to all mankind ... and mankind shall read and they shall study those words and they shall find that they are the words that will cause an awakening to occur in the minds of mankind. It has been said in times past that I am in the wind and I am in the fire and I am into the waters. These words are not true. The truth of this matter is that I am the wind. I am the fire. I am the water. I am in everything and in everything that exists. When you touch the mountain, you touch me. When you are touching the water, you are touching me. When you touch the fire, you are touching me. I am the Lord of the Universe and there is not one place that I am not. I am not in the flowers, the plants, the fruit of the land, but I am the flowers. I am the plants. I am the fruit of the land. Mankind will climb into the heavens. I am not in the heavenly, but I am the heavenly. When I created man from the dust of the Earth, I was the dust of the Earth and I was and am the breath of life that causes mankind to live.
Say not that the Lord your God is in the heavens or on the Earth. I am the heavens and I am the Earth. Now you have received the true revelation of my word, which was spoken to you in times past. The word said that I am everywhere present. I am omnipresent. I am not part of myself, but rather I am the whole of the Universe. Wherever you look, wherever you come or go, whatever you do or say, I am there in the midst of you because I am not only in, but rather I am you! It shall be written in the future that man is the universe. I say to you that I do not dwell in the universe of mankind, but I am that Universe of Mankind, and there is no separation whatsoever. These words that I have spoken to you at this time and in this place are that you might believe the truth of the message that as my Father is one with me so is the Spirit one with me. Now I am likewise in you and you are in me and that means I am one and you are with me. Have I not spoken these words in the past that I am in you and you are in me? (John 17:21) Jesus said, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Let this testimony be with you forever and forever, as we together traverse the streets of that sojourn from dawn to night. Be at peace and look deeply within yourself and you will find me. Again I have spoken the words in the past that you are indeed gods. I am your God. This revelation is of utmost importance and you must believe the whole truth as I have spoken it in your pure hearing. I say to you, allow the vibrations of your spirit, your inner ear, be unstopped and hear what the Spirit says to you at this hour. I am the center of your universe, because I am the whole of your universe. Know this, for this is the word of the living God, the Creator of all things which are. In time and seasons to come this word will be revealed to you and you shall behold the brightness of this truth, and you shall say, “This is the light for which I have long awaited. This is the revelation that will hold and maintain me through every experience of life.” Beware, there are those who would destroy this truth, but they shall not be able to destroy this truth because the truth abides in you and you abide in the truth. I have spoken in times past. And I have said that the truth shall cause many to walk in freedom, out of darkness and satanic bondage. And they shall have no further influence or rule over you. I have spoken these truths by the words of my lips and these words are true. Accept them and you shall live in peace, in joy and in victory over all things. Amen! You are invited to share this information with others, but kindly acknowledge copyright and keep this article intact. © Dr. Frank E. Stranges
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 25, 2020 23:40:08 GMT -5
Why should the validity of the scrolls decide whether one "become a Christian?"
The scrolls describe beliefs & history of one small period in time and in one small area of the world .
Here is the BIGGEST secret of them ALL...The HOLY Grail! Once a person understand Jesus the I AM God it will change your life and the way of worship. Jesus own words are VERY powerful. Missed my point completely Nathan. But then what should I expect?
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Post by nathan on Oct 26, 2020 0:01:56 GMT -5
Here is the BIGGEST secret of them ALL...The HOLY Grail! Once a person understand Jesus the I AM God it will change your life and the way of worship. Jesus own words are VERY powerful. Missed my point completely Nathan. But then what should I expect? It went over your head... that is OK.
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Post by fixit on Oct 26, 2020 0:13:58 GMT -5
It seems your gospel is all about what you can do for God but that's not what God's Word or the gospel are about at all. Are you even listening to what Maryhig is saying? Maryhig's gospel is NOT all about what you can do for God. She talks of lives being transformed by God, and people having a relationship with God. Your gospel seems to be all about accepting a certain belief system and condemning everyone else's.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 26, 2020 5:43:26 GMT -5
Well that's not what Jesus taught, Jesus taught that we are to do the will of God and that we are to lose our lives to save it. This is death to self. Jesus taught that we are to deny ourselves, and take up our cross to follow him, and in doing so we partake in the sufferings of Christ. Which is to turn from the ways of this world and loving the high places and loving people looking up to us loving the praise of men, and become humble and lowly, and if the word of God is established in our hearts, we should be humble and we will want to turn from sin and the ways of this world because we love God, and we will see that we are no better than anyone else. Those who belong go God are lights in a dark world and this is because they walk with Christ in their hearts. So his life should be seen in and through them, his light should be shining through those who belong to him. You are all death of Jesus, that's all you talk about, and as you said that's the core of your Christian beliefs. The core of my beliefs is the life and teachings of Jesus, and obeying the word of God and following Jesus in word and deed. And in doing so we become a doer of the word and not a hearer only this is what it is to truly follow Jesus. And those who are truly raised with Christ will live it out and walk the walk of Jesus and live by the will of God. It's not a do nothing gospel, we are clearly taught to be doers and if we are being guided by the Spirit then we will be being prompted and taught to do what's right before God daily in our hearts. So many say Jesus died for me and there's nothing I can do, and then they carry on living how they please. But God should be changing our hearts to be more like that of Jesus. It's not just repenting, it's repenting and being converted, those who are converted are dead to their old ways and alive in God, loving him and living to please him, turning from sin and caring for others when they see in need in their daily lives. This is truly living by the will of God, and those who truly love him will obey his word, obey the gospel and do the works that please God. It's pretty obvious from Scripture that once we are born again, we are to live for God and obey what He asks us to do. We do this in deep thankfulness for what He has done for us - not to somehow earn brownie points. We would be simply proud, arrogant and not thinking straight if we felt that we could somehow earn our salvation based on what we do. Salvation is not a contract - it's a relationship based on an enormous gift of grace from the One who gives all. You write a lot about the need to obey God's Word but you reject hundreds and hundreds of passages that cover the most precious gift (the very essence of the gospel) that mankind has ever received in Christ's death on Calvary's cross. The very gift that provides a solution for sin and death, enables reconciliation with the Father, provides redemption from sin, removes Satan's power over death, and enables those who trust in Christ to escape the judgement and wrath of God. I don't get why anyone who claims to love Jesus would reject Scripture and disobey God's Word in that way - it is genuinely very puzzling. You also write a lot about turning from sin but yet reject the very covering for sin that Christ provided ONCE for ALL on Calvary's cross. God couldn't be clearer in His Word - if someone rejects the solution for sin that God has provided in and through Christ they reject redemption, forgiveness, salvation and an eternal relationship with God the Father. Again, I don't understand why anyone would do this - unless they felt that what they had to offer Christ was superior to what He had done for them. It seems your gospel is all about what you can do for God but that's not what God's Word or the gospel are about at all. It's not my gospel Ross, I'm quoting from the Bible! Nowhere in the Bible does it say we are forgiven of all sin including future sins by Jesus being murdered. It says we will be judged on what we do good and bad, and that we are forgiven our trespasses as we forgive others who trespass against us. We are being judged here and now on what we do good and bad. You just don't seem to believe this, yet it tells us this clearly in the Bible. And nowhere in the Bible does it say that the death of Jesus saves us from the wrath of God, can you show me where it says this please? In fact it says this in Romans 1 Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness So the wrath of God comes upon those who know the truth and don't live right before God. Those who know his word and don't obey it putting themselves before God. Those who truly love God and follow Jesus will live by the will of God.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 26, 2020 5:54:35 GMT -5
I thought you meant that verse, now look at a few more verses before that, particularly verse 26 (caps for emphasis) Hebrews 10:26 FOR IF WE SIN WILFULLY AFTER THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? So those verses are about those who wilfully sin after knowing the truth, and it says they will be judged. And counting the blood of the covenant (the life of Christ and the word he preached through the Spirit, which is how we are sanctified) unholy, is when we know God, know the truth, and live to please ourselves and carry on wilfully sinning, then we go against the gospel and the life of Jesus and disobey the word of God. And we are sanctified by the word of God, being washed by the water of the word and it separates us from the world. John 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Ephesians 5 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. We are sanctified through Christ by the word of God through the Spirit. Meaning, once we hear the truth and it starts to work on our hearts, we start to turn from sin and obey the word of God. Then God will bless us with his Spirit and he will help us to overcome and he will separate us from ways of this world, cleansing our hearts, washing us clean with the water of the word as we walk in the spirit and bare witness to the truth. And not everybody has God's Spirit, God gives his Spirit to those who obey him. Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, WHOM GOD HATH GIVEN TO THOSE WHO OBEY HIM. You are covering sin making out that you are ok to sin and God will be ok with that, that's what Adam tried to do, but we are naked in God's eyes and he sees everything we do. We are to turn from wilfully sinning and live by the will of God, you aren't teaching the truth. God will judge us on what we do good and bad. 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Mary I've heard this most of my life. Can you say anything the workers haven't told you?. To sin wilfully to these people was to try and establish your own righteousness. And if your rejecting the work of Christ there is no other sacrifice that will do the job. So all your trying, sacrificing, doing God's will ect ect is sinning if you think it makes Christ's finished work effective. God's spirit is in everyone. The Holy Spirit is a little different. I struggle to understand it, it seems to the Hebrew people it was the knowledge of God is the Holy Spirit. 2x2's use of the word holy spirit is rediculous. Where did I say it's ok to sin because God will cover it anyway?. Judgment was a pruning term. The Nature of Christ prunes the crap out of your life. The Holy Spirit is no different from the Spirit of God. God's Spirit is holy, thus he's the Holy Spirit. And God gives his Spirit to those who obey him and he can take it away also. Also, I've never met a worker, I read my Bible and I know it's the truth. We have to live by the will of God and turn from sin. And no, all our trying and doing God's will is never sinning, obeying God is never sinning in anyway whatsoever! Are you a 2x2?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 5:58:42 GMT -5
Mary I've heard this most of my life. Can you say anything the workers haven't told you?. To sin wilfully to these people was to try and establish your own righteousness. And if your rejecting the work of Christ there is no other sacrifice that will do the job. So all your trying, sacrificing, doing God's will ect ect is sinning if you think it makes Christ's finished work effective. God's spirit is in everyone. The Holy Spirit is a little different. I struggle to understand it, it seems to the Hebrew people it was the knowledge of God is the Holy Spirit. 2x2's use of the word holy spirit is rediculous. Where did I say it's ok to sin because God will cover it anyway?. Judgment was a pruning term. The Nature of Christ prunes the crap out of your life. The Holy Spirit is no different from the Spirit of God. God's Spirit is holy, thus he's the Holy Spirit. And God gives his Spirit to those who obey him and he can take it away also. Also, I've never met a worker, I read my Bible and I know it's the truth. We have to live by the will of God and turn from sin. And no, all our trying and doing God's will is never sinning, obeying God is never sinning in anyway whatsoever! Are you a 2x2? we are not sure what chuck is except that he's not really a 2x2....JW is more his speed and calling...with a touch of baptist and who knows what else...
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Post by maryhig on Oct 26, 2020 6:02:28 GMT -5
The Holy Spirit is no different from the Spirit of God. God's Spirit is holy, thus he's the Holy Spirit. And God gives his Spirit to those who obey him and he can take it away also. Also, I've never met a worker, I read my Bible and I know it's the truth. We have to live by the will of God and turn from sin. And no, all our trying and doing God's will is never sinning, obeying God is never sinning in anyway whatsoever! Are you a 2x2? we are not sure what chuck is except that he's not really a 2x2....JW is more his speed and calling...with a touch of baptist... Oh right I see thanks, because he doesn't seem to talk like he is a member of the 2x2s, so I was just wondering what church he belongs to.
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