Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 16:40:07 GMT -5
so are you thinking spiritual disintegration?
Yes, total disintegration of body soul and spirit. "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28)
don't know if i agree with that but i suppose that is a possibility...i personally think that would leave people with the eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die attitude....
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 1, 2020 16:40:42 GMT -5
No such thing as eternal torture in the bible...
Eternal fire is one that has eternal consequences... Eternal death, not everlasting punishment. God is too good not to punish sin. God would be a sinner if He didn't punish sin.
Faith is the hearts response to the character of God
Amen, Dan.... Many atheists on here accusing God is a MONSTER for allowing evil going wild and rampant in the world! and
He is NOT do anything about it but in the end He will send these EVIL people and be cast them ALL into the LAKE of fire forever, then they STILL complaint by saying he is torturing billions with molten sulfur.
Damn if you do and Damn if you don't! what a bunch of looney. Sinners and evil people will be punished in the day of judgment by God and Christ. God wants to give these people time to REPENT while they are ALIVE on the earth because AFTER death is too late to REPENT. Nathan and Dan, -what neither of you seem to understand is that as an atheist -I just don't even believe there is a being, -a something you call "god" which actually exists in fact or reality.
The only place where such a being exists is in minds people and that is why there are so many different beliefs abound about him according to each persons own ideas.
So how could I be accusing someone or something that I don't believes even exists to start with?
Nor can I take seriously any of your concepts concerning what you may believes happens in a afterlife.
|
|
|
Post by nathan on Nov 1, 2020 16:55:59 GMT -5
Yes, total disintegration of body soul and spirit. "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28)
don't know if i agree with that but i suppose that is a possibility...i personally think that would leave people with the eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die attitude.... Amen, Wally... Then they don't really need to REPENT to obey God at all because one day they just puff and that it the end just like the animals without souls. Then it would have been a waste of time for Christ to come down from heaven to die a gruesome and horrible death in the person Jesus and be separated from God the Father's presence for a short time.
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Nov 1, 2020 20:15:12 GMT -5
Yes, total disintegration of body soul and spirit. "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Matthew 10:28)
don't know if i agree with that but i suppose that is a possibility...i personally think that would leave people with the eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die attitude.... Don't you understand that fear is not the only motivator?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 21:54:39 GMT -5
don't know if i agree with that but i suppose that is a possibility...i personally think that would leave people with the eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die attitude.... Don't you understand that fear is not the only motivator? fear is mentioned 400 times and love 311 times in the bible i'd say its about 50/50....
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 1, 2020 23:26:37 GMT -5
Making a God of Love into a monster is simply a justification for not accepting or believing, i.e; I don't like the mean God of the bible, so I reject Him.
But Christians just plow ahead with a different response to the character of God, which was revealed in Christ. That's the test, its why we're all here. There are so many non-believers here, its hard to believe a person can go from one extreme to another. Its by faith that we please God, trust and love cannot be demonstrated without faith, but atheist constantly demand proof of what they've already willfully rejected. Being alone in a crowd ain't always easy, your going to stand out and not blend in, but the sly fox will survive by pretending to be just another face in the crowd.
You say we are making "God" into a monster as a "justification" for not wanting to "accept or believe in him." You was taught and indoctrinated to believe in the 'god' of the bible as a child were you not? Indeed so was I
But do you still believe everything that you were taught as a child is still true? Have you not learned that some things are different than what you were taught?
Some of us have learned that not everything we were taught as children is true and accurate. Why do you feel that you need to demean what we believe is just an emotional justification
As an atheist, I can tell that it has nothing to do "willfully rejecting" a god. In fact it was painful to give up one's preconceived comfortable ideas that everything was under control even if we might not understand but we didn't really need to worry about it. Just believe
Also Dan, don't worry for a moment about we being "alone!" Surely you don't think that this forum is the only place where we "non-believers'' get together! .
|
|
|
Post by Dan on Nov 2, 2020 1:23:07 GMT -5
You say we are making "God" into a monster as a "justification" for not wanting to "accept or believe in him." You was taught and indoctrinated to believe in the 'god' of the bible as a child were you not? Indeed so was I
But do you still believe everything that you were taught as a child is still true? Have you not learned that some things are different than what you were taught?
Some of us have learned that not everything we were taught as children is true and accurate. Why do you feel that you need to demean what we believe is just an emotional justification
As an atheist, I can tell that it has nothing to do "willfully rejecting" a god. In fact it was painful to give up one's preconceived comfortable ideas that everything was under control even if we might not understand but we didn't really need to worry about it. Just believe
Its my contention that some here have a disdain for the biblical God, so I believe it is partly why they reject Him.
Yes there is religious indoctrination, but I view the bible as the unchanging word of God.
Imo, a person with free will can only 'willfully' reject God, no one can force you to reject Him.
I've never considered the bible to be 'preconceived comfortable ideas', but rather the unadulterated truth.
|
|
|
Post by Ross.Bowden on Nov 2, 2020 6:07:20 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious from Scripture that once we are born again, we are to live for God and obey what He asks us to do. We do this in deep thankfulness for what He has done for us - not to somehow earn brownie points. We would be simply proud, arrogant and not thinking straight if we felt that we could somehow earn our salvation based on what we do. Salvation is not a contract - it's a relationship based on an enormous gift of grace from the One who gives all. You write a lot about the need to obey God's Word but you reject hundreds and hundreds of passages that cover the most precious gift (the very essence of the gospel) that mankind has ever received in Christ's death on Calvary's cross. The very gift that provides a solution for sin and death, enables reconciliation with the Father, provides redemption from sin, removes Satan's power over death, and enables those who trust in Christ to escape the judgement and wrath of God. I don't get why anyone who claims to love Jesus would reject Scripture and disobey God's Word in that way - it is genuinely very puzzling. You also write a lot about turning from sin but yet reject the very covering for sin that Christ provided ONCE for ALL on Calvary's cross. God couldn't be clearer in His Word - if someone rejects the solution for sin that God has provided in and through Christ they reject redemption, forgiveness, salvation and an eternal relationship with God the Father. Again, I don't understand why anyone would do this - unless they felt that what they had to offer Christ was superior to what He had done for them. It seems your gospel is all about what you can do for God but that's not what God's Word or the gospel are about at all. It's not my gospel Ross, I'm quoting from the Bible! Nowhere in the Bible does it say we are forgiven of all sin including future sins by Jesus being murdered. It says we will be judged on what we do good and bad, and that we are forgiven our trespasses as we forgive others who trespass against us. We are being judged here and now on what we do good and bad. You just don't seem to believe this, yet it tells us this clearly in the Bible. And nowhere in the Bible does it say that the death of Jesus saves us from the wrath of God, can you show me where it says this please? In fact it says this in Romans 1 Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness So the wrath of God comes upon those who know the truth and don't live right before God. Those who know his word and don't obey it putting themselves before God. Those who truly love God and follow Jesus will live by the will of God. Thanks Mary – there are simply hundreds of verses and passages that state repeatedly that Christ died to provide the eternal solution for sin and death. The most precious sacrifice through which we can made holy (Hebrews 10:10) if we accept it. I guess you’ve made a decision not to believe in what Christ has done, what was prophesied in the OT and what Christ himself said he must do. I don’t think that’s a wise choice but we all make our individual choices. The attached article which references stacks of Bible verses explains how God’s wrath was satisfied by Christ on Calvary. www.desiringgod.org/articles/the-wrath-of-god-was-satisfied.
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Nov 2, 2020 18:06:24 GMT -5
You say we are making "God" into a monster as a "justification" for not wanting to "accept or believe in him." You was taught and indoctrinated to believe in the 'god' of the bible as a child were you not? Indeed so was I
But do you still believe everything that you were taught as a child is still true? Have you not learned that some things are different than what you were taught?
Some of us have learned that not everything we were taught as children is true and accurate. Why do you feel that you need to demean what we believe is just an emotional justification
As an atheist, I can tell that it has nothing to do "willfully rejecting" a god. In fact it was painful to give up one's preconceived comfortable ideas that everything was under control even if we might not understand but we didn't really need to worry about it. Just believe Its my contention that some here have a disdain for the biblical God, so I believe it is partly why they reject Him.
Yes there is religious indoctrination, but I view the bible as the unchanging word of God.
Imo, a person with free will can only 'willfully' reject God, no one can force you to reject Him.
I've never considered the bible to be 'preconceived comfortable ideas', but rather the unadulterated truth.
Human hands have NEVER written anything unadulterated -- most assuredly not in translation.
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 2, 2020 18:08:32 GMT -5
You say we are making "God" into a monster as a "justification" for not wanting to "accept or believe in him." You was taught and indoctrinated to believe in the 'god' of the bible as a child were you not? Indeed so was I
But do you still believe everything that you were taught as a child is still true? Have you not learned that some things are different than what you were taught?
Some of us have learned that not everything we were taught as children is true and accurate. Why do you feel that you need to demean what we believe is just an emotional justification
As an atheist, I can tell that it has nothing to do "willfully rejecting" a god. In fact it was painful to give up one's preconceived comfortable ideas that everything was under control even if we might not understand but we didn't really need to worry about it. Just believe Its my contention that some here have a disdain for the biblical God, so I believe it is partly why they reject Him.
Yes there is religious indoctrination, but I view the bible as the unchanging word of God.
Imo, a person with free will can only 'willfully' reject God, no one can force you to reject Him.
I've never considered the bible to be 'preconceived comfortable ideas', but rather the unadulterated truth.
I guess it is difficult to understand what being an atheist really means. I suppose that I also went through some of the same stages.
It is not a matter of "disdain nor contempt for the biblical God." How can I "willfully" or otherwise reject something that I not believe even exists?
My position has come from the knowledge that the biblical God is just one of numerous gods that have been created though out the world and though out time.
Therefore how can the "unchanging word of God"/"the unadulterated truth " -be in all of those various numerous "gods?"
I had to step outside of my early indoctrination that the bible was created by one God for one small group of nomads in one small area of the world, -the mid-east, who were traveling around trying to figure out were to go & what to do.
Mean time there were many others such groups all over the world wandering around trying to do the same thing, and creating gods & beliefs as they went.
How could I possibly continue to believe that there really was a one GOD of the whole universe and yet he spoke only to the people of the bible?
Conclusion:
Gods & "bibles" are created by people to satisfy their longing to for stability.
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Nov 2, 2020 18:11:05 GMT -5
Aesop's fables rank right up there with Jesus' parables as food for a good sermon.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 19:15:42 GMT -5
Aesop's fables rank right up there with Jesus' parables as food for a good sermon. Mat_12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Nov 2, 2020 20:46:22 GMT -5
Aesop's fables rank right up there with Jesus' parables as food for a good sermon. Mat_12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. That's an excellent talking point.
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 2, 2020 20:56:20 GMT -5
Aesop's fables rank right up there with Jesus' parables as food for a good sermon. Mat_12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Wally, who are you saying is the person saying idle words? Jesus or Aesop?
|
|
|
Post by chuck on Nov 2, 2020 21:30:29 GMT -5
Its my contention that some here have a disdain for the biblical God, so I believe it is partly why they reject Him.
Yes there is religious indoctrination, but I view the bible as the unchanging word of God.
Imo, a person with free will can only 'willfully' reject God, no one can force you to reject Him.
I've never considered the bible to be 'preconceived comfortable ideas', but rather the unadulterated truth.
I guess it is difficult to understand what being an atheist really means. I suppose that I also went through some of the same stages.
It is not a matter of "disdain nor contempt for the biblical God." How can I "willfully" or otherwise reject something that I not believe even exists?
My position has come from the knowledge that the biblical God is just one of numerous gods that have been created though out the world and though out time.
Therefore how can the "unchanging word of God"/"the unadulterated truth " -be in all of those various numerous "gods?"
I had to step outside of my early indoctrination that the bible was created by one God for one small group of nomads in one small area of the world, -the mid-east, who were traveling around trying to figure out were to go & what to do.
Mean time there were many others such groups all over the world wandering around trying to do the same thing, and creating gods & beliefs as they went.
How could I possibly continue to believe that there really was a one GOD of the whole universe and yet he spoke only to the people of the bible?
Conclusion:
Gods & "bibles" are created by people to satisfy their longing to for stability.
You are assuming the God in the bible "exists" like all other gods. What if God doesn't exist but is in you?. And if that is the case, isn't he in everyone?, even those with existent maniputible gods? whom are also just like those even in the progressive understanding of God in the bible.
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 2, 2020 23:21:57 GMT -5
I guess it is difficult to understand what being an atheist really means. I suppose that I also went through some of the same stages.
It is not a matter of "disdain nor contempt for the biblical God." How can I "willfully" or otherwise reject something that I not believe even exists?
My position has come from the knowledge that the biblical God is just one of numerous gods that have been created though out the world and though out time.
Therefore how can the "unchanging word of God"/"the unadulterated truth " -be in all of those various numerous "gods?"
I had to step outside of my early indoctrination that the bible was created by one God for one small group of nomads in one small area of the world, -the mid-east, who were traveling around trying to figure out were to go & what to do.
Mean time there were many others such groups all over the world wandering around trying to do the same thing, and creating gods & beliefs as they went.
How could I possibly continue to believe that there really was a one GOD of the whole universe and yet he spoke only to the people of the bible?
Conclusion:
Gods & "bibles" are created by people to satisfy their longing to for stability.
You are assuming the God in the bible "exists" like all other gods. What if God doesn't exist but is in you?. And if that is the case, isn't he in everyone?, -even those with existent maniputible gods? whom are also just like those even in the progressive understanding of God in the bible. Chuck, - Where do you get the idea that I am assuming the God in the bible exists as well as all other gods? I don't believe that any of the gods exist. You missed my point.
|
|
|
Post by joanna on Nov 2, 2020 23:23:59 GMT -5
dmmichgood It is interesting to read your comment as I was prompted to consider the relevance of the exposure to a religious indoctrination as a child after reading the comments by people who were reared in the 2x2 group and are now belonging to another Christian sect. Each time the ex-2x2 but still Christian asserts biblical truth, as exemplified in RossBowden's comment above, they are validating the continued impact of the 2x2 workers whose preaching resulted in them accepting that the bible is the "Word of God". This acceptance of, and continued adherence to that fundamental belief, predominates over any differences and disagreements in biblical interpretation. All religious sects believe they are arbiters of "the Truth". In order to maintain a belief in the Christian bible, it is necessary to refute or ignore that the bible is a disjointed compilation of many books which contain unverifiable, contradictory, confusing and extraordinary claims that expose it to a myriad of interpretations which in turn are contradictory. The 2x2 workers employed biblical quotes to present truth claims to their congregation. This action is repeatedly applied on this forum and, like the 2x2 workers, those who engage in this activity (of whatever and all Christian persuasions) do not feel the need to support their truth claims with evidence, despite a willingness to contradict another's alternative interpretation and conclude it is wrong. A person debating another on a topic relevant to this forum said "Being wrong feels exactly like being right"This is unfortunately the case, we humans do not possess an innate ability for self-correction when we are espousing untruths or misleading advice. We have to rely on external standards to prompt self-review and to correct any false beliefs. It is no coincidence that religion / faith-beliefs (whatever the preferred terminology) defend themselves from correction by either blocking or limiting external reviews and analysis. The first chink in the armour of a faith-belief is formed when the believer simply questions themselves with a skeptical and honest approach. The bible threatens and warns against being wise and using our critical thinking skills. Jesus was recorded as thanking his father (to some that would be thanking himself)" “I thank Thee, O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, because Thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." referenceThis pressure to suppress inquiry and critical thinking is an effective tool by which to control the masses. Religions / faith-beliefs thrive upon manipulating the vulnerable individual - typically children - and convincing them they are free to make their own choices concurrent to suppressing their freedom of thought. When we are genuinely freed from this control, we can see how sinister this technique is, even though it is generally also imposed by other vulnerable and manipulated individuals who are themselves victims.
|
|
|
Post by Dan on Nov 2, 2020 23:43:53 GMT -5
Its my contention that some here have a disdain for the biblical God, so I believe it is partly why they reject Him.
Yes there is religious indoctrination, but I view the bible as the unchanging word of God.
Imo, a person with free will can only 'willfully' reject God, no one can force you to reject Him.
I've never considered the bible to be 'preconceived comfortable ideas', but rather the unadulterated truth.
Human hands have NEVER written anything unadulterated -- most assuredly not in translation.
I'll agree with the complete accuracy of translations, but if the authorship was inspired by the Holy Spirit, then it has to be the unadulterated truth.
I guess it is difficult to understand what being an atheist really means. I suppose that I also went through some of the same stages.
It is not a matter of "disdain nor contempt for the biblical God." How can I "willfully" or otherwise reject something that I not believe even exists?
My position has come from the knowledge that the biblical God is just one of numerous gods that have been created though out the world and though out time.
Therefore how can the "unchanging word of God"/"the unadulterated truth " -be in all of those various numerous "gods?"
I had to step outside of my early indoctrination that the bible was created by one God for one small group of nomads in one small area of the world, -the mid-east, who were traveling around trying to figure out were to go & what to do.
Mean time there were many others such groups all over the world wandering around trying to do the same thing, and creating gods & beliefs as they went.
How could I possibly continue to believe that there really was a one GOD of the whole universe and yet he spoke only to the people of the bible?
Conclusion:
Gods & "bibles" are created by people to satisfy their longing to for stability.
To me, belief is a decision. A person hears/reads the gospel and decides whether or not its true. When you choose not to believe its true, you have in fact willfully rejected it.
The biblical God was introduced through a Chosen People, but for the purpose and invitation to all. Christ is a known phenomenon accessible to all (whosoever believeth).
|
|
|
Post by joanna on Nov 2, 2020 23:52:29 GMT -5
Dan. If belief is a decision, and by that I understand you are implying there is a freedom of choice attached to that decision, then why does the Christian gospel rely on emotional blackmail and serious threats Dan? The freedom of choice is one unaccompanied by a guillotine hanging above one's head. Yet Jesus is recorded as convincing or rather coercing those around him that they would suffer eternally if they did not follow him. His audience was a relatively primitive, and a superstitious people and would have been very susceptible to believing his words. As someone who has educated, when a concept is based on evidence, and is a worthy piece of information that will advance or benefit those who absorb it, there is absolutely no need to threaten or coerce.
|
|
|
Post by Dan on Nov 3, 2020 0:28:43 GMT -5
Dan . If belief is a decision, and by that I understand you are implying there is a freedom of choice attached to that decision, then why does the Christian gospel rely on emotional blackmail and serious threats Dan? The freedom of choice is one unaccompanied by a guillotine hanging above one's head. Yet Jesus is recorded as convincing or rather coercing those around him that they would suffer eternally if they did not follow him. His audience was a relatively primitive, and a superstitious people and would have been very susceptible to believing his words. As someone who has educated, when a concept is based on evidence, and is a worthy piece of information that will advance or benefit those who absorb it, there is absolutely no need to threaten or coerce.
An inevitable death is not emotional blackmail, nor is it a threat, its a reality and the natural course of a sinful life in a sinful world. I don't believe the story of Little Red Riding Hood, the threat of the Big Bad Wolf has no influence over my decision. So I don't think the gospel is accepted or rejected based on anything threatening.
Those primitive people witnessed miracles and a risen Christ, so they weren't just gullible Nomads who were particularly susceptible to wild rumors, innuendo, or fairy tales.. They accepted what they witnessed was true. They saw the evidence, and it was not demonstrated in a threatening manner.. "Follow me" is a request, & there's nothing coercive about that invitation imo.
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Nov 3, 2020 1:37:14 GMT -5
Dan . If belief is a decision, and by that I understand you are implying there is a freedom of choice attached to that decision, then why does the Christian gospel rely on emotional blackmail and serious threats Dan? The freedom of choice is one unaccompanied by a guillotine hanging above one's head. Yet Jesus is recorded as convincing or rather coercing those around him that they would suffer eternally if they did not follow him. His audience was a relatively primitive, and a superstitious people and would have been very susceptible to believing his words. As someone who has educated, when a concept is based on evidence, and is a worthy piece of information that will advance or benefit those who absorb it, there is absolutely no need to threaten or coerce. An inevitable death is not emotional blackmail, nor is it a threat, its a reality and the natural course of a sinful life in a sinful world. I don't believe the story of Little Red Riding Hood, the threat of the Big Bad Wolf has no influence over my decision. So I don't think the gospel is accepted or rejected based on anything threatening.
The story of Little Red Riding Hood is a perfectly valid fable, a serious spiritual allegory. [/div][/quote]
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 3, 2020 2:45:24 GMT -5
Dan . If belief is a decision, and by that I understand you are implying there is a freedom of choice attached to that decision, then why does the Christian gospel rely on emotional blackmail and serious threats Dan? The freedom of choice is one unaccompanied by a guillotine hanging above one's head. Yet Jesus is recorded as convincing or rather coercing those around him that they would suffer eternally if they did not follow him. His audience was a relatively primitive, and a superstitious people and would have been very susceptible to believing his words. As someone who has educated, when a concept is based on evidence, and is a worthy piece of information that will advance or benefit those who absorb it, there is absolutely no need to threaten or coerce. An inevitable death is not emotional blackmail, nor is it a threat, its a reality and the natural course of a sinful life in a sinful world. I don't believe the story of Little Red Riding Hood, the threat of the Big Bad Wolf has no influence over my decision. So I don't think the gospel is accepted or rejected based on anything threatening.
Those primitive people witnessed miracles and a risen Christ, so they weren't just gullible Nomads who were particularly susceptible to wild rumors, innuendo, or fairy tales.. They accepted what they witnessed was true. They saw the evidence, and it was not demonstrated in a threatening manner..
"Follow me" is a request, & there's nothing coercive about that invitation imo.
So, Dan you say that: "To me, belief is a decision. A person hears/reads the gospel and decides whether or not its true." So, Dan you are saying that you "have made a decision" that "Those primitive people witnessed miracles and a risen Christ."
Then you must believe that Jesus really died and then rose from the dead & then bodily rose up into the sky until he was out f sight behind a cloud. Right?
Then I really think that you should take a second look at Little Red Riding Hood. Note how the Wolf attempts to deceive Little Red Riding Hood.
The two stories may be nearer alike than you think
|
|
|
Post by chuck on Nov 3, 2020 2:57:04 GMT -5
You are assuming the God in the bible "exists" like all other gods. What if God doesn't exist but is in you?. And if that is the case, isn't he in everyone?, -even those with existent maniputible gods? whom are also just like those even in the progressive understanding of God in the bible. Chuck, - Where do you get the idea that I am assuming the God in the bible exists as well as all other gods? I don't believe that any of the gods exist. You missed my point.
I know you don't believe God exists. Neither do I. But your whole basis was founded on something that exists which you now know doesn't. So my question would be, why does God have to exist to be true?, and who said you had to believe in a existent God?. Who said this is the only dimension for what we call God can fit in?.
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 3, 2020 3:48:22 GMT -5
Chuck, - Where do you get the idea that I am assuming the God in the bible exists as well as all other gods? I don't believe that any of the gods exist. You missed my point.
I know you don't believe God exists. Neither do I. But your whole basis was founded on something that exists which you now know doesn't. So my question would be, why does God have to exist to be true? and who said you had to believe in a existent God?. Who said this is the only dimension for what we call God can fit in? Sorry, but again you are talking about something which must exist only in your own mind which you will have answer yourself because it is making no sense to me.
|
|
|
Post by chuck on Nov 3, 2020 8:26:24 GMT -5
I know you don't believe God exists. Neither do I. But your whole basis was founded on something that exists which you now know doesn't. So my question would be, why does God have to exist to be true? and who said you had to believe in a existent God?. Who said this is the only dimension for what we call God can fit in? Sorry, but again you are talking about something which must exist only in your own mind which you will have answer yourself because it is making no sense to me. Something that exists is measurable, and able to be manipulated. God does not exist. You can't "measure mind" God is a reality that cant be measured. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIV
|
|
|
Post by jetmech on Nov 19, 2020 13:59:53 GMT -5
Sorry, but again you are talking about something which must exist only in your own mind which you will have answer yourself because it is making no sense to me. Something that exists is measurable, and able to be manipulated. God does not exist. You can't "measure mind" God is a reality that cant be measured. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIVQUESTION FOR DMMICHGOOD: Why do you make the statement "... you are talking about something which MUST exist ONLY in your own mind ..." Why MUST it exist ONLY in ones mind? I mean, couldn't it possibly exist outside the mind? Are you trying to sarcastically invoke your idea that GOD's existence is merely a figment of one's imagination? Somewhere in the deep recesses of your own mind, dmmichgood, don't you think there's even the slighest chance that GOD DOES exist just as much as you exist?
|
|
|
Post by dmmichgood on Nov 20, 2020 3:09:55 GMT -5
Something that exists is measurable, and able to be manipulated. God does not exist. You can't "measure mind" God is a reality that cant be measured. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIVQUESTION FOR DMMICHGOOD: Why do you make the statement "... you are talking about something which MUST exist ONLY in your own mind ..." Why MUST it exist ONLY in ones mind? I mean, couldn't it possibly exist outside the mind? Are you trying to sarcastically invoke your idea that GOD's existence is merely a figment of one's imagination? Somewhere in the deep recesses of your own mind, dmmichgood, don't you think there's even the slighest chance that GOD DOES exist just as much as you exist? First, Jet, -I am sorry that I didn't answer your post before, -but I only saw it just now.
What I was really commenting on was Chucks statement! As usual with his posts, -half of the time I really can't understand what he is saying!
Therefore I told him; "... you are talking about something which MUST exist ONLY in your own mind ..." because I can't understand what he means!
However, -as whether I believe "god" exists or not, -no I don't think that "god" exists. It has been mankind who created the concept or idea of "god."
At different times in history and in the various parts of the world, -mankind seems to have always needed to create a god or gods as supernatural being in order to try to make sense of what was happening in their world.
Sorry, I hadn't answered before.
|
|
|
Post by nathan on Nov 20, 2020 10:58:59 GMT -5
QUESTION FOR DMMICHGOOD: Why do you make the statement "... you are talking about something which MUST exist ONLY in your own mind ..." Why MUST it exist ONLY in ones mind? I mean, couldn't it possibly exist outside the mind? Are you trying to sarcastically invoke your idea that GOD's existence is merely a figment of one's imagination? Somewhere in the deep recesses of your own mind, dmmichgood, don't you think there's even the slighest chance that GOD DOES exist just as much as you exist? First, Jet, -I am sorry that I didn't answer your post before, -but I only saw it just now.
What I was really commenting on was Chucks statement! As usual with his posts, -half of the time I really can't understand what he is saying!
Therefore I told him; "... you are talking about something which MUST exist ONLY in your own mind ..." because I can't understand what he means!
However, -as whether I believe "god" exists or not, -no I don't think that "god" exists. It has been mankind who created the concept or idea of "god."
At different times in history and in the various parts of the world, -mankind seems to have always needed to create a god or gods as supernatural being in order to try to make sense of what was happening in their world.
Sorry, I hadn't answered before. Well, Here is what Jesus/God said... I created mankind and I am your God. Who do you think should I, people and believers, believe you or Jesus/God words?~~ Jesus The Great " I AM " God (From The Dead Sea Scrolls found in caves 1947) I, the Lord God of creation, who was and who is and who shall always be the one true God, the mind, the very center of the Universe, speaks to your own heart. The words that I have spoken to my prophets Moses and others were that he should recognize that the great “I Am.”[/b] filled his being with the power and the authority to open his mouth in my name and to proclaim his words as a living words that I placed deeply within him. I have in times past spoken through the mouths of my prophets and then through the mouths of my apostles. Now the times and seasons are approaching, as are the reasons, when my words shall again be spoken by my obedient prophets and apostles. Their words shall be my words and their deeds that shall be my deeds, because I have spoken this thing before the World was ever formed. Those words that I now speak shall be hidden for a season and then shall be revealed in the last times I shall cause the Earth to quake and the sunlight, which represents the new dawning, shall shine brightly upon those who are appointed to carry my words from the darkness of the caves to the bright sunlight of my new revelation to all mankind ... and mankind shall read and they shall study those words and they shall find that they are the words that will cause an awakening to occur in the minds of mankind. It has been said in times past that I am in the wind and I am in the fire and I am into the waters. These words are not true. The truth of this matter is that I am the wind. I am the fire. I am the water. I am in everything and in everything that exists. When you touch the mountain, you touch me. When you are touching the water, you are touching me. When you touch the fire, you are touching me. I am the Lord of the Universe and there is not one place that I am not. I am not in the flowers, the plants, the fruit of the land, but I am the flowers. I am the plants. I am the fruit of the land. Mankind will climb into the heavens. I am not in the heavenly, but I am the heavenly. When I created man from the dust of the Earth, I was the dust of the Earth and I was and am the breath of life that causes mankind to live.
Say not that the Lord your God is in the heavens or on the Earth. I am the heavens and I am the Earth. Now you have received the true revelation of my word, which was spoken to you in times past. The word said that I am everywhere present. I am omnipresent. I am not part of myself, but rather I am the whole of the Universe. Wherever you look, wherever you come or go, whatever you do or say, I am there in the midst of you because I am not only in, but rather I am you! It shall be written in the future that man is the universe. I say to you that I do not dwell in the universe of mankind, but I am that Universe of Mankind, and there is no separation whatsoever. These words that I have spoken to you at this time and in this place are that you might believe the truth of the message that as my Father is one with me so is the Spirit one with me. Now I am likewise in you and you are in me and that means I am one and you are with me. Have I not spoken these words in the past that I am in you and you are in me? (John 17:21) Jesus said, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Let this testimony be with you forever and forever, as we together traverse the streets of that sojourn from dawn to night. Be at peace and look deeply within yourself and you will find me. Again I have spoken the words in the past that you are indeed gods. I am your God. This revelation is of utmost importance and you must believe the whole truth as I have spoken it in your pure hearing. I say to you, allow the vibrations of your spirit, your inner ear, be unstopped and hear what the Spirit says to you at this hour. I am the center of your universe, because I am the whole of your universe. Know this, for this is the word of the living God, the Creator of all things which are. In time and seasons to come this word will be revealed to you and you shall behold the brightness of this truth, and you shall say, “This is the light for which I have long awaited. This is the revelation that will hold and maintain me through every experience of life.” Beware, there are those who would destroy this truth, but they shall not be able to destroy this truth because the truth abides in you and you abide in the truth. I have spoken in times past. And I have said that the truth shall cause many to walk in freedom, out of darkness and satanic bondage. And they shall have no further influence or rule over you. I have spoken these truths by the words of my lips and these words are true. Accept them and you shall live in peace, in joy and in victory over all things. Amen! You are invited to share this information with others, but kindly acknowledge copyright and keep this article intact. © Dr. Frank E. Stranges
|
|