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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 14:24:56 GMT -5
Enuf, you and Fixit and Speak and Mountain have for some odd reason decided to oppress every trinitarian believer on TMB. Does that say much for you? It amounts to persecution. I defend Enuf (a trinitarian believer) against persecution by religious extremists on this board! If you think Im an extremists, then you have no idea what Jesus meant when he said would he find faith on the earth when he returns. Besides how many times did he say, “O ye of little faith.”? |
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Post by fixit on Feb 14, 2020 14:29:31 GMT -5
Enuf, you and Fixit and Speak and Mountain have for some odd reason decided to oppress every trinitarian believer on TMB. Does that say much for you? It amounts to persecution. STR, non-trinitarians have been murdered in vast numbers on this thread for not accepting your doctrine and you claim that trinitarians have been persecuted? |
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Post by fixit on Feb 14, 2020 14:38:32 GMT -5
I defend Enuf (a trinitarian believer) against persecution by religious extremists on this board! If you think Im an extremists, then you have no idea what Jesus meant when he said would he find faith on the earth when he returns. Besides how many times did he say, “O ye of little faith.”? The word "faith" in the bible is poorly understood in today's world. It's meaning is more like "faithfulness" than a belief system. The word "believe" is also poorly understood. In the early days of the English language, it was more like "belove" than a belief system. Authentic Christianity is more "relationship" than "religion". The gospel (good news) is God's love expressed. It offers a love affair, more than a transaction. If you dabble in Christianity with a selfish motive you'll miss the love and peace and joy that God intends his people to experience. Sam Jones understood this... I’m satisfied in Jesus now, My restless soul is calm and still; My weary heart has found its home, My joy it is to do His will. Then sing, my soul, in sweetest song, My captive spirit now is free; At His behest I follow on– His, only His, henceforth to be. Oh! fellowship supremely sweet,
Oh! matchless love so pure, divine;
My soul has found a sure retreat–
The lowly Jesus now is mine.His love has overpowered my heart, No longer I in sin repine; Secure from Satan’s fiery dart, On Jesus’ breast I now recline. I hear His kindly whispered word; With beauty rare His face doth shine; I feel the pressure of His hand, Assuring me that He is mine. I’ll follow Him, the sinless One, And all His marvellous way adore, Until I stand complete in Him, His image bear forevermore. When life’s short journey here will end, And I at last shall reach the goal, What rapture to behold His face, While the eternal ages roll! |
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Post by Grant on Feb 14, 2020 14:43:40 GMT -5
I defend Enuf (a trinitarian believer) against persecution by religious extremists on this board! If you think Im an extremists, then you have no idea what Jesus meant when he said would he find faith on the earth when he returns. Besides how many times did he say, “O ye of little faith.”? What's that to do with the topic at hand. Non trintarians have as much faith as trinitarians just they believe that Jesus is God's Son not that he's God the Son. They believe he's divine and all the other qualities. Others go to the other extreme and believe he's just a good man. That I don't agree with but so do some Trinitarians go the other extreme and use scripture to fit their beliefs. It's not our place to pour hell fire and brimstone, death and destruction at other believers for believing some thing differently from us. And to think I wasn't going to argue with you. |
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Post by snow on Feb 14, 2020 14:45:36 GMT -5
Enuf, you and Fixit and Speak and Mountain have for some odd reason decided to oppress every trinitarian believer on TMB. Does that say much for you? It amounts to persecution. STR, non-trinitarians have been murdered in vast numbers on this thread for not accepting your doctrine and you claim that trinitarians have been persecuted? I have come to see that any time anyone disagrees on the trinity issue that they feel persecuted. Disagreement is not persecution. If it is the those who do not believe in the Trinity are being persecuted by Trinity advocates. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 15:17:49 GMT -5
Enuf, you and Fixit and Speak and Mountain have for some odd reason decided to oppress every trinitarian believer on TMB. Does that say much for you? It amounts to persecution. STR, non-trinitarians have been murdered in vast numbers on this thread for not accepting your doctrine and you claim that trinitarians have been persecuted? I didn’t murder anybody and I didn’t sgree. So for you to persecute trinitarians for some perceived insult, be careful because you’re making the matter worse. I’ve wanted to only share the increase of. richness of scripture that’s been my privilege since accepting the triune concept. But if you continue to fight against it, then that’s your loss. But your continued angst against us only seats me in being more sure that my faith in the deity and righteousness of Jesus Christ is the very best thing for my faith. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 15:24:01 GMT -5
If you think Im an extremists, then you have no idea what Jesus meant when he said would he find faith on the earth when he returns. Besides how many times did he say, “O ye of little faith.”? The word "faith" in the bible is poorly understood in today's world. It's meaning is more like "faithfulness" than a belief system. The word "believe" is also poorly understood. In the early days of the English language, it was more like "belove" than a belief system. Authentic Christianity is more "relationship" than "religion". The gospel (good news) is God's love expressed. It offers a love affair, more than a transaction. If you dabble in Christianity with a selfish motive you'll miss the love and peace and joy that God intends his people to experience. Sam Jones understood this... I’m satisfied in Jesus now, My restless soul is calm and still; My weary heart has found its home, My joy it is to do His will. Then sing, my soul, in sweetest song, My captive spirit now is free; At His behest I follow on– His, only His, henceforth to be. Oh! fellowship supremely sweet,
Oh! matchless love so pure, divine;
My soul has found a sure retreat–
The lowly Jesus now is mine.His love has overpowered my heart, No longer I in sin repine; Secure from Satan’s fiery dart, On Jesus’ breast I now recline. I hear His kindly whispered word; With beauty rare His face doth shine; I feel the pressure of His hand, Assuring me that He is mine. I’ll follow Him, the sinless One, And all His marvellous way adore, Until I stand complete in Him, His image bear forevermore. When life’s short journey here will end, And I at last shall reach the goal, What rapture to behold His face, While the eternal ages roll! As I said you do not understand what Jesus meant about finding faith on earth when he returns. Nor do you understand what he meant the times when he said “O ye of little faith.” Come walk and live with where I’ve been forced to go. There’s no church on earth that can sustain a person through such happenings. If it weren’t for the Lord, I wouldn’t be here today. I’m not saying this about anyone in particular; but outsiders have said that the 2x2 members worship their church not Jesus muchless God. This comes from the mindset “I belong to the only true church. Everybody else is bound for hell.” |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 15:29:12 GMT -5
If you think Im an extremists, then you have no idea what Jesus meant when he said would he find faith on the earth when he returns. Besides how many times did he say, “O ye of little faith.”? What's that to do with the topic at hand. Non trintarians have as much faith as trinitarians just they believe that Jesus is God's Son not that he's God the Son. They believe he's divine and all the other qualities. Others go to the other extreme and believe he's just a good man. That I don't agree with but so do some Trinitarians go the other extreme and use scripture to fit their beliefs. It's not our place to pour hell fire and brimstone, death and destruction at other believers for believing some thing differently from us. And to think I wasn't going to argue with you. For some reason you called my hand on domething to do with calling names. Fixit turns it into a trinitarian bash. Why have you turned on me, Enuf? I have agreed with the majority of your threads/posts. Just because of ONE mistake where I didn’t catch Nathan had changed from antitrunity to antichrist, you’re in my case. I explained and said I was sorry nor did I believe “nontrinitariNs are antichrists”. |
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Post by fixit on Feb 14, 2020 15:58:26 GMT -5
One of the biggest complaints against workers and friends is along the lines "you think you're right and we're wrong".
Interestingly, that's the same vibes I get from religious people who have left the meetings.
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Post by fixit on Feb 14, 2020 16:06:16 GMT -5
As I said you do not understand what Jesus meant about finding faith on earth when he returns. Nor do you understand what he meant the times when he said “O ye of little faith.” Come walk and live with where I’ve been forced to go. There’s no church on earth that can sustain a person through such happenings. If it weren’t for the Lord, I wouldn’t be here today. I’m not saying this about anyone in particular; but outsiders have said that the 2x2 members worship their church not Jesus muchless God. This comes from the mindset “I belong to the only true church. Everybody else is bound for hell.” You've had a lot to say about what I do not understand. That I'm still a babe on milk and you have progressed much further. And that you belong to the only true faith. You're entitled to your opinion. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 14, 2020 16:45:49 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be nice to have a discussion without resorting to personal attacks? Mountain started it! Prove it! |
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Post by nathan on Feb 14, 2020 17:09:37 GMT -5
If you think Im an extremists, then you have no idea what Jesus meant when he said would he find faith on the earth when he returns. Besides how many times did he say, “O ye of little faith.”? What's that to do with the topic at hand. Non trintarians have as much faith as trinitarians just they believe that Jesus is God's Son not that he's God the Son. They believe he's divine and all the other qualities. Others go to the other extreme and believe he's just a good man. That I don't agree with but so do some Trinitarians go the other extreme and use scripture to fit their beliefs. It's not our place to pour hell fire and brimstone, death and destruction at other believers for believing some thing differently from us. And to think I wasn't going to argue with you. ** iF what you say is TRUE then WHY? Did The RCC and Orthodox church FELT it was necessary to EXCOMMUNICATE Arius and his disciples/non-Trinitarians believers from the priesthood and the church since the 3rd century. These heresy teachings are still forbidden and their false Anti-Trinity and Jesus is NOT God doctrines have NOT been accepted by the RCC and most Protestant denominations either. HOW in the world did the anti-Trinity and Jesus is NOT God workers got in the 2x2 ministry in 1950s to this very day? They even excommunicated the 2x2 workers who taught and believed in the Trinity and Jesus is God from the ministry in 1970s and 1990s. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 17:35:26 GMT -5
As I said you do not understand what Jesus meant about finding faith on earth when he returns. Nor do you understand what he meant the times when he said “O ye of little faith.” Come walk and live with where I’ve been forced to go. There’s no church on earth that can sustain a person through such happenings. If it weren’t for the Lord, I wouldn’t be here today. I’m not saying this about anyone in particular; but outsiders have said that the 2x2 members worship their church not Jesus muchless God. This comes from the mindset “I belong to the only true church. Everybody else is bound for hell.” You've had a lot to say about what I do not understand. That I'm still a babe on milk and you have progressed much further. And that you belong to the only true faith. You're entitled to your opinion. It’s very evident you don’t understand about the faith Jesus was talking about when he said he wondered if he’d find faith in the earth when he returned ; by saying some of us are “religious extremists”. I’ve never said I belong to the only true faith. Nor belong to the only true church. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 17:40:11 GMT -5
One of the biggest complaints against workers and friends is along the lines "you think you're right and we're wrong". Interestingly, that's the same vibes I get from religious people who have left the meetings. Actually the complaint is “The workers and friends say their church is the only true way.”. That’s what gives with the animosity between people because it puts other people to hell right quick. The worshipping of the 2x2 church is what outsiders are talking about. As for me, I never thought about it but since hearing that from outsiders I find it true. So many 2x2s think their church is going to save them. That has filled me with great anxiety for my loved ones. |
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Post by fixit on Feb 14, 2020 19:25:38 GMT -5
One of the biggest complaints against workers and friends is along the lines "you think you're right and we're wrong". Interestingly, that's the same vibes I get from religious people who have left the meetings. Actually the complaint is “The workers and friends say their church is the only true way.”. That’s what gives with the animosity between people because it puts other people to hell right quick. The worshipping of the 2x2 church is what outsiders are talking about. As for me, I never thought about it but since hearing that from outsiders I find it true. So many 2x2s think their church is going to save them. That has filled me with great anxiety for my loved ones. Do you think trinitarianism is the only right way? |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 20:12:28 GMT -5
Actually the complaint is “The workers and friends say their church is the only true way.”. That’s what gives with the animosity between people because it puts other people to hell right quick. The worshipping of the 2x2 church is what outsiders are talking about. As for me, I never thought about it but since hearing that from outsiders I find it true. So many 2x2s think their church is going to save them. That has filled me with great anxiety for my loved ones. Do you think trinitarianism is the only right way? I think I’ve said about a half dozen times that I DONT THINK ANTITRINITARIANS ARE ANTICHRISTS. Now would you not think that I allow that trinitarianism has to be to be the only right way when I allow that I’m not saying nontrinitarians are antichrists? As far as I’ve been taught and can reap from the Bible as long as a person repents, is baptized in water, Holy Spirit and by fire and claims the blood of Christ to cleanse one from all sin; they are saved unto eternal salvation. |
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Post by fixit on Feb 14, 2020 20:25:24 GMT -5
Do you think trinitarianism is the only right way? I think I’ve said about a half dozen times that I DONT THINK ANTITRINITARIANS ARE ANTICHRISTS. Now would you not think that I allow that trinitarianism has to be to be the only right way when I allow that I’m not saying nontrinitarians are antichrists? As far as I’ve been taught and can reap from the Bible as long as a person repents, is baptized in water, Holy Spirit and by fire and claims the blood of Christ to cleanse one from all sin; they are saved unto eternal salvation. You seemed to be firmly in Nathan's camp so please forgive me for not seeing the distinction between your beliefs and his. |
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Post by chuck on Feb 14, 2020 20:27:16 GMT -5
If you were hearing the GOSPEL for the first time and this was the message, does it sound like Good News!?. Like I said, If your sacrificing to be accepted that puts God in debt to you. Why are you sacrificing?. For something or in response to something?. I live by the will of God, and to do so I have to sacrifice my own life, turn from sin and obey God. If we are not sacrificing our lives, then we are not denying ourselves, and to live by God's will, we are to deny ourselves and pick up or cross and follow Jesus. Jesus said, those who are not willing to take up their cross are not worthy of him. He also said that to enter into the kingdom of heaven, we are to live by the will of the father. It's not all saying I believe and that's it, it's living it out and obeying the word of God in deed also. Matthew 7 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. How about this. If you dont sacrifice will you go to heaven/eternal life? |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 20:27:45 GMT -5
I think I’ve said about a half dozen times that I DONT THINK ANTITRINITARIANS ARE ANTICHRISTS. Now would you not think that I allow that trinitarianism has to be to be the only right way when I allow that I’m not saying nontrinitarians are antichrists? As far as I’ve been taught and can reap from the Bible as long as a person repents, is baptized in water, Holy Spirit and by fire and claims the blood of Christ to cleanse one from all sin; they are saved unto eternal salvation. You seemed to be firmly in Nathan's camp so please forgive me for not seeing the distinction between your beliefs and his. All is okay. Nathan does posts some good things but then I’m not tied to his apron strings. All I wish to do is spur people on to heaven and home and in the meantime know the uplifting strength of God’s grace. |
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Post by fixit on Feb 14, 2020 20:50:24 GMT -5
All I wish to do is spur people on to heaven and home and in the meantime know the uplifting strength of God’s grace. I think workers would say the same thing. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 20:56:35 GMT -5
All I wish to do is spur people on to heaven and home and in the meantime know the uplifting strength of God’s grace. I think workers would say the same thing. Yes, most of them do! |
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Post by chuck on Feb 14, 2020 21:31:58 GMT -5
If you think Im an extremists, then you have no idea what Jesus meant when he said would he find faith on the earth when he returns. Besides how many times did he say, “O ye of little faith.”? The word "faith" in the bible is poorly understood in today's world. It's meaning is more like "faithfulness" than a belief system. The word "believe" is also poorly understood. In the early days of the English language, it was more like "belove" than a belief system. Authentic Christianity is more "relationship" than "religion". The gospel (good news) is God's love expressed. It offers a love affair, more than a transaction. If you dabble in Christianity with a selfish motive you'll miss the love and peace and joy that God intends his people to experience. Sam Jones understood this... I’m satisfied in Jesus now, My restless soul is calm and still; My weary heart has found its home, My joy it is to do His will. Then sing, my soul, in sweetest song, My captive spirit now is free; At His behest I follow on– His, only His, henceforth to be. Oh! fellowship supremely sweet,
Oh! matchless love so pure, divine;
My soul has found a sure retreat–
The lowly Jesus now is mine.His love has overpowered my heart, No longer I in sin repine; Secure from Satan’s fiery dart, On Jesus’ breast I now recline. I hear His kindly whispered word; With beauty rare His face doth shine; I feel the pressure of His hand, Assuring me that He is mine. I’ll follow Him, the sinless One, And all His marvellous way adore, Until I stand complete in Him, His image bear forevermore. When life’s short journey here will end, And I at last shall reach the goal, What rapture to behold His face, While the eternal ages roll! Early days Christians couldn't anounce/proclaim, you had to watch someone, for days, years, to see something in their lives. Today you can see that "something" in all walks of life. Atheists to self proclaimed Christians. Claiming exclusive rights to salvation is just that, a claim!. You are right in the word "believe" being misunderstood. Something to ponder, who is bold enough to say they "believe in god beyond proclamation"?? |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 21:52:48 GMT -5
The word "faith" in the bible is poorly understood in today's world. It's meaning is more like "faithfulness" than a belief system. The word "believe" is also poorly understood. In the early days of the English language, it was more like "belove" than a belief system. Authentic Christianity is more "relationship" than "religion". The gospel (good news) is God's love expressed. It offers a love affair, more than a transaction. If you dabble in Christianity with a selfish motive you'll miss the love and peace and joy that God intends his people to experience. Sam Jones understood this... I’m satisfied in Jesus now, My restless soul is calm and still; My weary heart has found its home, My joy it is to do His will. Then sing, my soul, in sweetest song, My captive spirit now is free; At His behest I follow on– His, only His, henceforth to be. Oh! fellowship supremely sweet,
Oh! matchless love so pure, divine;
My soul has found a sure retreat–
The lowly Jesus now is mine.His love has overpowered my heart, No longer I in sin repine; Secure from Satan’s fiery dart, On Jesus’ breast I now recline. I hear His kindly whispered word; With beauty rare His face doth shine; I feel the pressure of His hand, Assuring me that He is mine. I’ll follow Him, the sinless One, And all His marvellous way adore, Until I stand complete in Him, His image bear forevermore. When life’s short journey here will end, And I at last shall reach the goal, What rapture to behold His face, While the eternal ages roll! Early days Christians couldn't anounce/proclaim, you had to watch someone, for days, years, to see something in their lives. Today you can see that "something" in all walks of life. Atheists to self proclaimed Christians. Claiming exclusive rights to salvation is just that, a claim!. You are right in the word "believe" being misunderstood. Something to ponder, who is bold enough to say they "believe in god beyond proclamation"?? I’m not sure what you mean beyond proclamation? Proclamation carries a written declaration, doesnt it? But claiming to believe in God beyond proclamation is what most of the believers have done here in TMB, haven’t we? |
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Post by chuck on Feb 14, 2020 22:18:24 GMT -5
Early days Christians couldn't anounce/proclaim, you had to watch someone, for days, years, to see something in their lives. Today you can see that "something" in all walks of life. Atheists to self proclaimed Christians. Claiming exclusive rights to salvation is just that, a claim!. You are right in the word "believe" being misunderstood. Something to ponder, who is bold enough to say they "believe in god beyond proclamation"?? I’m not sure what you mean beyond proclamation? Proclamation carries a written declaration, doesnt it? But claiming to believe in God beyond proclamation is what most of the believers have done here in TMB, haven’t we? Be it written or verbal doesn't change a thing. It's a statement, not a way of life. This happens when you believe in Heaven/Hell/Eternal only after you die. Blunt answer, No, everything on TMB falls into the above category of written/verbal. Me included!. If you want to go on statements, All of our Atheist friends are condemned to hell by those claiming to believe in a all loving all merciful God. If you want to go on a way of life some of our Christian friends will find heaven like hell because some of our Atheist friends will be there also, and some of our Chrisitian friends will find hell like heaven because they can keep condemning people. Heaven and Hell may be true after we die, but I am certain they are a present reality. |
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Post by ant_rotten on Feb 14, 2020 22:27:05 GMT -5
Hmm....maybe stop and think about what you have said here nathan . Better yet just STOP and think for 5 mins before you respond. “Queen of broken record”?! Well ain’t the calling the kettle black.. why don’t you just quote some more bible verses mate. |
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Post by nathan on Feb 14, 2020 22:29:36 GMT -5
Let me REPEAT it again for you Queen of Broken Record.... I will NOT ATTEND his Sunday morning meeting if I were in his area. It's my choice, there is NOTHING to THINK about. “Queen of broken record”?! Well ain’t the calling the kettle black.. why don’t you just quote some more bible verses mate. When it the right time I will, don't you worry.  |
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Post by ant_rotten on Feb 14, 2020 22:31:51 GMT -5
“Queen of broken record”?! Well ain’t the calling the kettle black.. why don’t you just quote some more bible verses mate. When it the right time I will, don't you worry. That’s good. I wouldn’t expect anything less |
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Post by Annan on Feb 15, 2020 6:21:51 GMT -5
I think workers would say the same thing. Yes, most of them do! That blows me away. How in the heck are people supposed to know what to believe when one group of workers says one thing and other group says something different? And don't say god will reveal and lead, as the workers don't see it that way. |
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