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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 13, 2020 20:34:49 GMT -5
But you don't think you're ignorant -- reborn does. *** Tell me what Reborn and I are ignorant about? I didn't say you were ignorant. What I said was that YOU THINK YOU'RE NOT IGNORANT. Okay? |
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Post by reborn on Feb 13, 2020 20:56:27 GMT -5
*** Tell me what Reborn and I are ignorant about? I didn't say you were ignorant. What I said was that YOU THINK YOU'RE NOT IGNORANT. Okay? Oh my- grumpy grump. He’ll have to wait till R wakes up before anyone will pay attention to him. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 13, 2020 21:24:26 GMT -5
I consistently point to receiving from God a revelation of who his is. I speak from the revelation he has given me. I do not twist anything So God reveals different things to different people reborn ? |
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 13, 2020 21:36:52 GMT -5
I don't believe God is teaching Workers about the Trinity, IMO people are hearing what they want to hear and don't want to accept that the F&W do not believe in the Trinity. I would say the F&W not using the word Trinity is a clear indication of their views on it. Some believe that Jesus is God the Son, however to avoid such entanglements as we have here in TMB about that, they’re using the word “Godhead” because that word is in the Bible and anyone that disputes that concept is found disputing that Jesus DOES POSSESS THE GODHEAD BODILY, which is just a roundabout way of saying Jesus is God the Son. Evan Jones from NZ said Jesus was half God and half man. No one dare argue with that because the Bible declares God to be his Father and Mary(mankind) to be his mother. Whether he believed it only that percentage IM NOT CERTAIN, but it was better then just declaring Jesus just a perfect man. Evan seemed to have perfect understanding because he could trace the Son of God From Genesis 1 clear through the Bible to Revelations 22. And weep while doing so. He understood the cost at which Jesus came, suffered, bled, and died for OUR sins. I’m terribly sorry Evan has passed from this earth for he was one worker I. KNOW, who was not afraid of preaching about the Son of God as he is in the Bible. do you mean Evan Jones from Australia ? |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 13, 2020 21:40:31 GMT -5
Some believe that Jesus is God the Son, however to avoid such entanglements as we have here in TMB about that, they’re using the word “Godhead” because that word is in the Bible and anyone that disputes that concept is found disputing that Jesus DOES POSSESS THE GODHEAD BODILY, which is just a roundabout way of saying Jesus is God the Son. Evan Jones from NZ said Jesus was half God and half man. No one dare argue with that because the Bible declares God to be his Father and Mary(mankind) to be his mother. Whether he believed it only that percentage IM NOT CERTAIN, but it was better then just declaring Jesus just a perfect man. Evan seemed to have perfect understanding because he could trace the Son of God From Genesis 1 clear through the Bible to Revelations 22. And weep while doing so. He understood the cost at which Jesus came, suffered, bled, and died for OUR sins. I’m terribly sorry Evan has passed from this earth for he was one worker I. KNOW, who was not afraid of preaching about the Son of God as he is in the Bible. do you mean Evan Jones from Australia ? He was from New Zealand when I met him. I saw him a couple of years not back to back but just before he passed on. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 13, 2020 21:53:01 GMT -5
He was from New Zealand when I met him. I saw him a couple of years not back to back but just before he passed on. How old was he sharingtheriches? The only Evan Jones that I know of was from Australia ...? |
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Post by fixit on Feb 13, 2020 22:10:49 GMT -5
He was from New Zealand when I met him. I saw him a couple of years not back to back but just before he passed on. Evan Jones was the overseer in Victoria/Tasmania Australia. Not New Zealand. Confusing Aussies and Kiwis is like confusing Americans and Canadians! |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 13, 2020 22:38:21 GMT -5
He was from New Zealand when I met him. I saw him a couple of years not back to back but just before he passed on. How old was he sharingtheriches? The only Evan Jones that I know of was from Australia ...? I could have understood wrong, but I’ve see things from Cherie’s historical things that I thought said NZ also. He was probably in his 80’s. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 13, 2020 22:40:43 GMT -5
He was from New Zealand when I met him. I saw him a couple of years not back to back but just before he passed on. Evan Jones was the overseer in Victoria/Tasmania Australia. Not New Zealand. Confusing Aussies and Kiwis is like confusing Americans and Canadians! Thank you very much! I’m sorry. That’s what they told us. Nevertheless he was a wonderful preacher. A lot of people said they couldn’t follow him, but I could listen to him a long time many times. Best preaching worker I ever knew. And I don’t mean to say all of the others were slouches either! 🙂 |
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Post by mountain on Feb 14, 2020 4:01:23 GMT -5
If we do not present ourselves as a living sacrifice we will not be acceptable to God. It is a necessity, not just a response. What happens when your not acceptable?. Sacrificing something to be accepted is OT sacrifice. This puts God in debt to you. A living sacrifice is in response of being accepted. Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, - Romans 5:1 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans5:1&version=NIVIf, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God.What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. - Romans 4:2-4 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans4:2-4&version=NIVThere are many warnings about what happens when we are not accepted. I'm sure you can easily find the references? The living sacrifice of the new covenant, basically defined as 'follow me' but explained more deeply in other references, is essential. We will be known by our works. We need God's help to do his will. We will be acceptable if we put him first and foremost in our lives. It is not a one off event. It is a life however long or short that may be. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 14, 2020 4:02:43 GMT -5
Good thinking Reebs. I like it. One point though, the term divine originated from the noun divination (a subject to be very wary of), or the verb divining. Think of water divining and think of the woman at the well and what Jesus said to her. It's a good study. Now water has to be sought out when divining for it and so too does the living water. It is this living water which gives us the divine nature. It has to be sought out, not so much elevated towards. Anyway, you get the drift. You never read of God or Jesus or the early disciples going on about God or Jesus being divine, etc. Theologians have taken divine way out of context and used it to put a huge gulf between God and mankind, whereas God want us to be close to him, to be Holy as he is Holy. Theologians will say Jesus is God because Jesus is divine and humans can't be divine. What utter rubbish. If we are to entertain the term divine in its spiritual use then anyone who possesses the Godly nature is in fact divine. We are Holy. No divide, If your breathing you are Holy Ground. Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. - Genesis 2:7 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis2:7&version=NIVAnd how long did Adam remain Holy? Some scholars suggest 100 years, but then the fall! |
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Post by mountain on Feb 14, 2020 4:16:22 GMT -5
If we are not willing to be a living sacrifice, then we haven't truly repented. Those who truly repent then turn to God to live by his will, denying themselves daily, dying to self and obeying the word of God as they walk in the Spirit. Circumcised of the heart through Christ by the power of the Spirit and they too bare witness to the truth as they follow Jesus in word and deed. Peter said, repent and be converted. We can't be converted unless we are willing to lay down our lives for Christ sake, be a living sacrifice and turn from sin and the ways of this world. If you were hearing the GOSPEL for the first time and this was the message, does it sound like Good News!?. Like I said, If your sacrificing to be accepted that puts God in debt to you. Why are you sacrificing?. For something or in response to something?. Basically the true Gospel or good news is based upon a very serious warning and hope. Just look at the words of Jesus as he addresses people. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 14, 2020 4:18:48 GMT -5
You’ve done this name game before, Mountain! And it is inflammatory! Listen Nathan........ |
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Post by chuck on Feb 14, 2020 9:29:50 GMT -5
What happens when your not acceptable?. Sacrificing something to be accepted is OT sacrifice. This puts God in debt to you. A living sacrifice is in response of being accepted. Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, - Romans 5:1 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans5:1&version=NIVIf, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God.What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. - Romans 4:2-4 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans4:2-4&version=NIVThere are many warnings about what happens when we are not accepted. I'm sure you can easily find the references? The living sacrifice of the new covenant, basically defined as 'follow me' but explained more deeply in other references, is essential. We will be known by our works. We need God's help to do his will. We will be acceptable if we put him first and foremost in our lives. It is not a one off event. It is a life however long or short that may be. I'll ask it another way. Will you go to heaven/eternal life if your sacrifice is not acceptable?. |
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Post by chuck on Feb 14, 2020 9:48:21 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Feb 14, 2020 10:19:52 GMT -5
You’ve done this name game before, Mountain! And it is inflammatory! Listen Nathan........ ** STR, the old timers on here KNOW too much about RAM/mountain and many alias he used through the yrs... The same and fun games he plays on here. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 14, 2020 10:59:14 GMT -5
** STR, the old timers on here KNOW too much about RAM/mountain and many alias he used through the yrs... The same and fun games he plays on here. I have told you before Nathan that ever since we had to register on this board (years ago), I have only posted under two board names, i.e. RAM and mountain. RAM has been deleted, never to reappear. At present I only post under mountain, which I brought into use 'after' I deleted RAM. Initially the mountain account was created to wind up Bert, but I stopped using it after ten or twenty posts and it lay dormant until after I sent RAM into cyber space. Mountain is the only board name I post under. However, I do have a back up account with the board name 'Pravda.' I have never used this account yet and it is my intention to only use it when I don't want people to know who I am. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 11:01:48 GMT -5
** STR, the old timers on here KNOW too much about RAM/mountain and many alias he used through the yrs... The same and fun games he plays on here. Typical cop male chauvinism. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 14, 2020 11:06:01 GMT -5
There are many warnings about what happens when we are not accepted. I'm sure you can easily find the references? The living sacrifice of the new covenant, basically defined as 'follow me' but explained more deeply in other references, is essential. We will be known by our works. We need God's help to do his will. We will be acceptable if we put him first and foremost in our lives. It is not a one off event. It is a life however long or short that may be. I'll ask it another way. Will you go to heaven/eternal life if your sacrifice is not acceptable?. No. Non acceptance means rejection. How can a person be accepted if they are not acceptable? Notice the emphasis on 'doing' below! Matthew 7:22-24 King James Version (KJV) 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:(Virgs) |
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Post by maryhig on Feb 14, 2020 12:14:38 GMT -5
If we are not willing to be a living sacrifice, then we haven't truly repented. Those who truly repent then turn to God to live by his will, denying themselves daily, dying to self and obeying the word of God as they walk in the Spirit. Circumcised of the heart through Christ by the power of the Spirit and they too bare witness to the truth as they follow Jesus in word and deed. Peter said, repent and be converted. We can't be converted unless we are willing to lay down our lives for Christ sake, be a living sacrifice and turn from sin and the ways of this world. If you were hearing the GOSPEL for the first time and this was the message, does it sound like Good News!?. Like I said, If your sacrificing to be accepted that puts God in debt to you. Why are you sacrificing?. For something or in response to something?. I live by the will of God, and to do so I have to sacrifice my own life, turn from sin and obey God. If we are not sacrificing our lives, then we are not denying ourselves, and to live by God's will, we are to deny ourselves and pick up or cross and follow Jesus. Jesus said, those who are not willing to take up their cross are not worthy of him. He also said that to enter into the kingdom of heaven, we are to live by the will of the father. It's not all saying I believe and that's it, it's living it out and obeying the word of God in deed also. Matthew 7 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. |
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Post by fixit on Feb 14, 2020 13:29:32 GMT -5
** STR, the old timers on here KNOW too much about RAM/mountain and many alias he used through the yrs... The same and fun games he plays on here. Typical cop male chauvinism. Wouldn't it be nice to have a discussion without resorting to personal attacks? |
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Post by nathan on Feb 14, 2020 13:39:42 GMT -5
Typical cop male chauvinism. Wouldn't it be nice to have a discussion without resorting to personal attacks? ** Ye, right. You need to look in the mirror yourself. You are NOT much better yourself. Guilty as hell like the rest of the people post on here. Let him/her without sin cast the first stone. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 13:48:02 GMT -5
Typical cop male chauvinism. Wouldn't it be nice to have a discussion without resorting to personal attacks? Mountain started it! |
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Post by Grant on Feb 14, 2020 13:55:35 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be nice to have a discussion without resorting to personal attacks? Mountain started it! Sounds like 2 year olds, he hit me first. Or another, the devil made me do it. |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 14:04:34 GMT -5
Sounds like 2 year olds, he hit me first. Or another, the devil made me do it. Mountain has been calling SOME people names ever since he started posting on TMB, but you nor Fixit have NEVER called him in that. I’ve tried to overlook it for some odd years but he’s purposefully called posters by others names, so much so he even accused Snow as being some other poster. Then he purposefully called me Nathan. That’s more than far enough! |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 14, 2020 14:06:46 GMT -5
Enuf, you and Fixit and Speak and Mountain have for some odd reason decided to oppress every trinitarian believer on TMB. Does that say much for you? It amounts to persecution.
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Post by Grant on Feb 14, 2020 14:17:20 GMT -5
Now it's the persecution, victim card. I'm not interested in arguing with you. There's been enough persecution of non trinitarians. Find balance. There's good in the world.
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Post by fixit on Feb 14, 2020 14:21:17 GMT -5
Enuf, you and Fixit and Speak and Mountain have for some odd reason decided to oppress every trinitarian believer on TMB. Does that say much for you? It amounts to persecution. I defend Enuf (a trinitarian believer) against persecution by religious extremists on this board! |
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