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Post by pa on Aug 2, 2017 0:29:42 GMT -5
the answer to this thread is... YES nothing more needed to discuss.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 1:43:48 GMT -5
Amen. Yes I fail to see what ...who Satan's fallen angels had sex with or being bitten by a rattlesnake has got to do with 'was William Irvine a founder in 1897' ! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 16:06:03 GMT -5
Nathan - Please be assured, I don't read, I skim over. The thread heading interested me. I was looking for some sensible discussion in relation to the heading.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 23:41:35 GMT -5
Shalt I obey the commandment according to Nathan..
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 5, 2017 23:11:42 GMT -5
However,- enuf -this thread is one that Nathan created himself so he can't be "corrupting" his own thread.
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Post by nathan on Aug 7, 2017 3:56:50 GMT -5
"ALL We need is the RIGHT major Crisis and the world nations will accept the New World Order." (Covid-19)
David Rocketfeller 1994
Read chapter 10
The History of New Word Order/the Illuminati/666
apologet.spb.ru/images/st/1655/img_1655_c2a7c1d000ffb83eda71d282466215bb.pdf
1) fixit: Why do you call Democrats evil?
~~ Nathan: Because MANY of them/Clintons and Obama are... and the Republicans/Bush's family too.... They are Illuminati... seed of Satan/Eve= Cain and their children on earth. They are the RULERS of the world behind the scene, pulling all the strings on the puppets.
Wow! history of crimes against humanity: Clintons, Bush's family, Obama..
Trump is NOT perfect either... He repented of his sins... and tried to expose the cabal, Illuminati and to drain the swamp, pedophile rings in Hollywood, high ranking government officials, wars crimes against humanity during his 3 1/2 as President of U.S. and they didn't appreciate that and nailed him to the Cross with Corvid-19 released on the world population and millions people around the world died have died and millions are infected, to accomplish their/Illuminati agenda, they will do it at any cost.
www.linkedin.com/pulse/treasonous-bush-clinton-obama-pedo-cabal-dynasty-gets-hagopian
Agenda21-30 is to depopulation from 8 Billions people down to millions.
www.bing.com/search?q=Agenda21+to+depopulation+from+8+Billions+people+down+to+millions&form=ANNTH1&refig=5974dffe327c4c5eab3cdb4b01210edd&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=agenda21+to+depopulation+from+8+billions+&sc=0-41&qs=n&sk=&cvid=5974dffe327c4c5eab3cdb4b01210edd
What are chemtrails?
1. What Are The Trails In The Sky?
If you look up in the sky, you might see the trails airplanes leave behind. We call them condensation trails or contrails. Jet engines spew out hot, humid air in the cold atmosphere. This process causes condensation that crystallizes into ice. The ice crystals are the clouds that we see forming behind the engine.
Contrails usually dissipate within seconds. But lately, these trails have started to linger much longer in the sky than before. They can stay in the sky for hours and create a fog that blocks the sun. Chemtrails are a death sentence on the environment. They pollute people, rivers, lakes, seas, land, plants and forests. These chemicals diminish the rainfall, traps the heat, and increases humidity. People under chemtrail attacks report respiratory and flu-like illness, mental confusion, and depression.
www.bing.com/search?q=Chemtrails+is+NOT+Turbofans.&form=ANNTH1&refig=55fc6d7307f047ad97890b43efed7e5c&sp=-1&pq=chemtrails+is+not+turbofans.&sc=0-28&qs=n&sk=&cvid=55fc6d7307f047ad97890b43efed7e5c
Chemtrails | NASA and HAARP | Proof of Geoengineering and Weather Modification
Weapons to depopulation... causing cancer, flulike illness, mind control, mental confusion, altustism...
www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Chemtrails+is+NOT+Turbofans.&docid=608045594340492646&mid=64F7EC2ADBB515D3832464F7EC2ADBB515D38324&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
Chemtrails Fully Explained! MUST SEE!!... SHARE THIS INFO!!!
YouTube · 416,000+ views · 1/14/2017 · by Arch Angel X
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Illuminati in America: The Council on Foreign Relations
The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), which some people regard as a THINK TANK, describes itself as being "dedicated to increasing America's understanding of the world and contributing ideas to U.S. foreign policy. Many think that the CFR is perhaps the most powerful private organization to influence American foreign policy, and that it's involved in seeking a "New World Order"
According to the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign Relations is the American branch of the conspiracy to take over the world and create a world government. The leaders of this group, as well as the leaders of the nation, are all members of the Illuminati and play integral roles in the groups' mission. The Council was founded in 1921 by President Woodrow Wilson's chief advisor, Edward Mandell House. He allegedly wielded a great deal of power during the Wilson Administration and as a Marxist, he hoped to create a socialist society in the United States.
The CFR allegedly was created by House and his associates to destroy freedom and independence in the United States. Key financing for the Council came from the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations in the 1920s, and in the 1940s, Roosevelt invited CFR members to take over important positions in the State Department. They allegedly have retained domination during the past 60 years. Carroll Quigley, Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown University and a member of the CFR, claimed in his book "Tragedy & Hope"
"The CFR is the American Branch of a society which originated in England, and which believes that national boundaries should be obliterated, and a one-world rule established." Rear Admiral Chester Ward, a former member of the CFR for 16 years, explained: "The most powerful clique in these elitist groups have one objective in common -- they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty of the national independence of the United States. A second clique of international members in the CFR comprises the Wall Street international bankers and their key agents. Primarily, they want the world banking monopoly from whatever power ends up in the control of global government."
Dan Smoot, a former member of the FBI Headquarters staff in Washington D.C., explained the Council's purpose: " The ultimate aim of the CFR is to create a one--world socialist system, and to make the U.S. an official part of it." For decades, presidential candidates have been members of the Illuminati, making it virtually impossible for the country to elect a non-Illuminati leader. Allegedly, President Kennedy became disloyal to the CFR just before his assassination. The Illuminati have influence not only in the politics of the United States, but in popular culture as well. CFR members supposedly control NBC, CBS, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and other important newspapers. Time, Newsweek, Fortune and Business Weekly allegedly are led by CFR members; these Illuminati also dominate academia, corporate America, tax-exempt foundations, labor unions and the military.
Though CFR members dominate almost all facets of American life, they are not a well-known group because the journalists and communications executives involved with the Council do not disclose its existence. The news media remains silent regarding the activities of the CFR, so the American people have no way to be informed about this menacing presence in their government and society. The Illuminati in the United States are protected by virtue of the types of people who claim membership.
The CFR not only influences decisions made in the higher echelons of the U.S. government, but also finances interest groups which put appropriate pressure on government agencies and officials. The main headquarters of the CFR is at the corner of Park Avenue and 68th Street in New York City. The building was donated to the Council by the Rockefeller family in 1929 and the organization's main goal remains to destroy the freedom and independence of the United States. David Rockefeller continues to act as the Chairman of its Board of Directors.
Council on Foreign Relations members:
Bill Clinton (former President; current member of the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group)
George W. Bush (former President and CIA director)
Jimmy Carter (former President)
Richard Nixon (former President)
Dwight D. Eisenhower (former President)
Hebert Hoover (former President)
David Rockefeller (former chairman of the Trilateral Commission and members of the Bilderberg Group)
Henry Kissinger (former national security advisor and secretary of state; current member of the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group)
Dick Cheney (former Vice-President)
New Gingrich (former Speaker of the House of Representative)
John Kerry (Secretary of State and ex-Senator)
Colin Powell (former Secretary of state)
Condoleezza Rice (former secretary of State; former national security advisor)
Donald Rumsfeld (former secretary of Defense)
Alan Greenspan (former chairman of the board of governors of the Federal Reserve)
Dan Rather (former CBS Evening News anchor)
www.people.virginia.edu/~sfr/enam481/groupa/illumus.html
- About The Illuminati - Order of The Illumined Wise Men - Ancient and Illuminated Seers of Bavaria - AISB
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_illuminati.htm
~~ www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405
Sep 14, 2020 at 12:21pm fixit said:
I have no idea who you are, C.William. A troll perhaps? I do know Olea, and I respect her right to protest the filth that Nathan has brought to this forum. Like Snow and others who have left TMB, Olea is too good for the cesspool that TMB has become. It's those who have made it a cesspool who should "get a grip".
Sep 14, 2020 at 1:00pm @ C.William said:
Thanks, fixit . Also saw your previous sent post (now deleted) that simply said "Troll". You sure are a great guy, Fixit. Anyone can see that Olea has moaned about Nathan for months on (or is it years) is still stuck in the same place. Yes, she needs to get a grip or in a year's time her moans will still be filling this board. Your reply (particularly your original one) has made me think about what on earth I am doing here. So I'm leaving.
STR to Nathan
Mar 14, 2020
1) I told Snow that I didn’t hate that she was about the only one on TMB that had any humane kindness left. I started to put yours and Wally’s name down as kind but everybody is on yours and Wally’s and my back. So, I didn’t want to get another yow yow going. So I didn’t include your names. Just wanted you to know why. Everybody hates us because we quote scriptures that bother them. They can quote anything they want but not us.
~~ Nathan: Yes, they dislike and hate us three very much because we show them the teachings of Jesus and it condemns them and they don't like to see their sins exposed in the open. Some of them, tried to get us three pitch against each others... they did a good job on me! and he got Wally and myself 5% warning from the admin. so, you be careful they will go after you next and we get banned from posting on TMB.
2) STR wrote: I know. But that might be a good thing. Atheists have taken the board over and a few of the Christians don’t see that it Satan is using them to overcome that which is of God.
~~ Nathan: All we can do our part sharing the words and teachings of Jesus/God. They can't win against His teachings! The Way the Truth and LIFE. This is Satan's kingdom and he has deceived so many to do his will without knowing it.
Ron Wyatt found Pharaoh's army chariots gold wheels buried at the bottom of the Red Sea/Gulf Aqaba.
Here is the second Witness.... Dr. David Kim and his team went to the same place and took their own pictures that Ron W. had taken pictures of the Pharaoh's army chariots gold wheels at the bottom of the gulf Aqaba/Red Sea.
Published on Jul 6, 2013
David Gates interviews Dr. David Kim, who made 12 trips behind military fences in Saudi Arabia and climbed Mt. Sinai to collect evidence of a Red Sea crossing. Amazing photos and artifacts.
A Korean physician, Dr. Kim was the personal physician for the Prince of Saudi Arabia for 16 years. During this time Dr. Kim made his repeated trips down into Midian to search for traces of the Exodus and Mount Sinai which he had heard about from materials published by Ron Wyatt.
Because he was fluent in Arabic and had a personal recommendation from the Prince, with the help of local Bedoins, Dr. Kim was able to get behind the fences protected by the military. He climbed Mt. Sinai and discovered many Hebrew petroglyphs previously unknown by the public. He took thousands of pictures and collected artifacts.
Here is his outstanding testimony and photographs which confirm the location of the Red Sea crossing during the Exodus. Many evidences are shown the children of Israel journey in the desert for 40 yrs... MANY artifacts found in the desert.... The BIG Rock, where Moses strike twice, God had told to strike ONLY once for the water to come out, but because of his disobedience God did NOT allow Moses to enter the promised land.
watch at 16-18 minutes of the Video.... where Dr. David Kim team took pictures at the same location as Ron Wyatt did, the gold wheels chariots and so on... Here are his team pictures... They got the location from Ron Wyatt and they took their own pictures!
At 40:00 minutes Dr. Kim has confirmed Ron Wyatt findings of Pharaoh's army gold wheels Chariots at the gulf of Aqaba were NOT a hoax!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ubKUip6pz0
Someone wrote: The Son of God in the Old Testament:
Any time the Old Testament Scriptures state that someone saw God, they saw the preincarnate Christ, Jesus himself, before he was born and lived as a human being through the virgin birth. John 1:18 states that "no man hath seen God (the Trinity) at any time' the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared (revealed) him." Appearances of Jesus in the Old Testament are theologically called "Christophanies". Christ the Lord God walked, talked in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve.
The word "God" in the book of Genesis speaks of "Elohim/plural- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit" or the Trinity, but "the LORD, and "the LORD God", who spoke personally to Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham and many of the Old Testament prophets, is the personal and visible manifestation of God, which is Christ Jesus. The personal name of God in the Old Testament is "Yahweh", translated "LORD" (All Capitol letters) In the KJV, 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "The Lord" from heaven,
(Note:) the title "Lord" in this verse has the Greek article "the" Meaning that "The LORD", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left His home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth. Jesus Christ of the New Testament, and "Yahweh" of the Old Testament are one and the same! Jesus appeared personally, face to face with Moses and the Old Testament prophets of God. Ex. 33:11 where "the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Exodus 24:9-11 Moses and seventy elders of Israel "saw the God of Israel" Jesus is the visible manifestation of "The God of Israel"God, in the person of Jesus, and two angels walked up to Abraham's tent and had dinner with him before they destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Genesis ch. 18 and 19.
Christ/Jesus in the "Ancient of Days", in Daniel 7: 9-14 (Notice the description is basically the same as the glorified Christ in Rev. 1:12-18. Jesus was in the cloud that followed the children of Israel through the Red Sea. 1 Cor. 10:4 - Ex. 14:14, 19 & 25. The "angel of God" literally means "the appearance of God" (Notice Jesus looked out of the cloud and shot the wheels off of Pharoah's chariots while they were in the dry bottom of the Red Sea!) The Scriptures clearly teach that "Jesus", of the New Testament, and "Yahweh", translated "LORD", of the Old Testament, are the same person - the Second Person of the Trinity, the "revealed", or "manifest" Person of Almighty God. 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "THE Lord" from heaven, (Note: the name "Jesus" has the Greek article "the"). 1 Cor. 1547 is stating that the "Lord", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left his home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth.
Jesus of the New Testament, and "Yahweh/God Christ" of the Old Testament are one and the same BEING/Spirit.
Yahweh is The Creator: Isa.40:28 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Creator: John 1:3 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the First and Last: Isa. 41:4 44:6 (Yahweh)
Jesus is the First and Last: Rev. 1:17 2:8 & 22:13 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Lord of Lords: Deut. 10:17 (Yahweh)
Jesus is the Lord of Lords: 1 Tim. 6:15 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Savior: Isa 45:21 43:11 (Yahweh)
Jesus is the Saviour. John 4:42 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Light: Psa. 27:1, Isa. 60: 19-20 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Light. John 1:1-9 & 8:12 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Shepherd: Ps. 23:1 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Shepherd: John 10:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Glory of God: Isa. 42:8 48:11 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Glory of God: John 17:1, 5 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Redeemer: Isa. 41:14, Jer. 50:34, (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Redeemer: Rev. 5:9 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Rock: Ps. 18:2 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Rock: 1 Cor. 10:4 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Creator of angels: Psa. 148:5 (Yahweh)
Jesus is the Creator of Angels: Col. 1:16 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The I AM: Ex. 3:14 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The I AM: John 8:58 18:5,6 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Bridegroom: Isa. 62:5 Hosea 2:16 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Bridegroom: Rev. 21: 2, Matt. 25:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Judge: Joel 3:12 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Judge: John 5:27 Matt. 25:31-46 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Forgiver of sins: Jere. 31:34 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Forgiver of sins: Mark 2:7, 10 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Holy One: Isa. 43:3 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Holy One: Acts 3:14 (Jesus)
Both Raised the dead: 1 Sam2:6 (Yahweh) John 5:21 (Jesus)
Both were Worshiped by angels: Ps. 148:2 (Yahweh) Heb. 1:6 (Jesus)
Both are confessed as LORD - Every knee is going to bow and every tongue confess Isa. 45:21-23 (Yahweh); Phil2:9-11 (Jesus)
12/1/2019 Roselyn T said:
Who has ever heard the Sunday fellowship meeting ever referred to as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Just to clarify, this is what nathan has called the Sunday meeting on another thread and seems to think that is what they should be called now !!!
2) Chuck a 2x2 said: Never and the trinity is openly denied. And the workers reinforced this openly at our last convention by saying " we dont believe this do we".
~~ NathanB: It is incorrect to say all the workers NEVER believe the TRINITY and denied it. Many of their early workers belief and teaching say the opposite to the current workers and friends. Most of The current workers and the friends have strayed from the teachings of Christ, the apostles and the early 2x2 workers.
If the current workers and the friends denied the TRINITY these days, THEN WHY, are the current workers and friends STILL having Sunday morning meeting every Sunday around the world for 120 yrs? Who do they WORSHIP? when they sing hymns, pray, and give thanks to in their Sunday morning meeting?
RossB wrote: Nate - if the first workers didn't believe in the Trinity there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY they would have included the last verse of "Our blest Redeemer" in the first Go-Preachers hymn book of 1909.
First and last verses of the hymn:
1 Our blest Redeemer, ere He breathed
His tender, last farewell,
A Guide, a Comforter bequeathed
With us to dwell.
6 O praise the Father; praise the Son:
Blest Spirit, praise to Thee:
All praise to God, the three in One,
The One in Thee.
If most of them didn't believe in the Trinity in 1951 the "Cease not to praise God would not have been included". But between 1951 belief in God as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit diminished as the early workers died out and by 1987 the vast, vast majority had elevated Jesus' humanity at the expense of His divinity.
"Cease not to praise God" was dumped and "Christ, my God" was changed to "Christ, my Lord" in the hymn we know well. And not surprisingly from the mid 1980's the group has been in serious decline - people are not only leaving because of major deceitfulness over the history of the group but because of poor doctrine.
While the early workers differentiated themselves from established churches and ministers on Matt 10, the claim to apostleship, baptism, "Jesus was a common man" they accepted core Christian doctrine including the Trinity. There was absolutely no issue with it. When these early days workers leaders died out and were replaced by others, belief in the one God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit was gradually abandoned, as evidenced by the change in hymns between the 1951 and 1987 books.
Barry Barkley the overseer in the east coast is clearly trying to address this issue in 2015. If the 2x2 church can't get basic doctrine right on who Jesus is, there is not much hope for it in my opinion.
Elizabethcoleman said: 9/1/2015 This might do a few heads in: I have this from a recent convention attendee...
"Barry Barkley (Overseer of overseers in the east coast of USA) emphasized that Jesus was fully God but came to earth to become human to enable the lowly sinners such as ourselves to be justified through Him and be with Him in heaven. Barry spoke of the relationship between "God the Father and God the Son." He tied Psalm 22 -- the prophesied words and experience of Jesus -- with passages in the New Testament. These thoughts, perhaps, are nothing "new" to the Bible-believing Christian, but I appreciated the spirit and illumination with which Barry presented elements of our hope in the gospel -- and our need and joyous privilege to make Christ the focal point of all our living."
Elizabeth wrote: If you now have workers talking this way about God the Son, and Jesus being fully God, where does that leave F&W who strenuously oppose these "doctrines"?
Here are many denominations which are anti-Trinity: The Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS, Iglesia Ni Cristo, Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, Dawn Bible Students, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God International, the United Church of God, and Armstrongism do not believe in trinitarinanism, Unitarians believe that the Father is the sole deity and the Savior was not God.
Updated April 13, 2019 Paul Manning wrote:
Is there a Church that doesn't believe in Trinity?
There are a number of churches that don't believe the trinity but they are not united and all have different views on the nature of Jesus.
Mormons (Church of Latter day Saints) are non-trinitarian and teach that Jesus is the literal son of God but believe he pre-existed and that he created the world under the Father's direction, thus there is complete unity between God the Father and God the Son but that they are separate beings.
Jehovah's witnesses are like the Mormons in that they say that Jesus is the son of God, therefore not part of a trinity, but they think that Jesus was created in heaven, so they apply the doctrine of the preexistence to Jesus, making him the creator of the world under God's control.
The Worldwide Church of God (Armstrong) is non-trinitarian but split into factions during the 1990s, two of them being the United Church of God and the Church of God International. They, like the two groups above, believe in a binitarian relationship between father and son which is the same as the trinity minus the holy spirit.
Christadelphians believe that Jesus Christ is God's direct son, a human being born of Mary according to the promise of Messiah made in the beginning, making him preeminent over Abraham, Moses, and the prophets, but not preexistent. They believe he was raised from the dead and is now immortal at the right hand of the Father.
Christian Scientists believe that the scriptures reveal the mind of God and that those who follow this divine mind are healed of spiritual suffering. It is considered a way rather than an orthodox set of doctrines, but they generally reject the doctrine of the trinity and some other common doctrines.
Oneness Pentecostals believe in a version of the trinity where God is one and that he manifests himself in Jesus and the holy spirit but not that they are distinct beings.
Unitarians reject the trinity but are generally non-discriminatory over doctrine. They have a broad range of approaches to God, putting high value on the acceptance of each other rather than disputing doctrine in a negative or confrontational way. They believe that Jesus was the son of Joseph but was granted sonship of God at his baptism.
Seventh day Adventists are an interesting case because they used to be non-trinitarian then adopted the trinity at a council meeting in 1946; however some argue that they are not trinitarian but tritheist.
Sep 4, 2020 nathan said:
** Very easy and simple to understand once you understand ONE Godhead but 3 beings= God the Father the most high God of the 3. Christ/God the Son is under the subjection to the Father; the Holy Spirit is God; He is the quite it one, like to stay in the back ground. All 3 supreme beings respect each other roles in our Salvation.
~~ Dan wrote: The trinity seems like a simple concept to grasp, its simply, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" (1 John 5:7). They comprise 3 aspects of a single God, each with a specific purpose but unified as one. The Father is all knowledge, the Son is the expression and manifestation, and the Spirit is the action and deed. The 3 are united persona's of one entity, each is distinct, and yet all are one. When Jesus was born of woman, he was separated from divine providence, but completely surrendered his will as a man for the will of the Father. It was necessary for a part of God to be perfected in the flesh in order to atone for man, it could not be righteous redemption any other way.
The danger in thinking Jesus was just flesh and blood is denying his divinity, and he'd have no authority to save anyone without that. What comprises the Godhead is God, if Christ was not one with the Father and Holy Spirit, there would be no salvation. That's why we are baptized in the name of all 3, born of the Spirit, the living water, and the sacrifice, the "three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:8). I think we've discussed this subject to death, but one Father expressed through Christ and empowered by the HS. No separation, no opposition, no contradiction, but one in singularity, purpose, and existence. Just as your body, soul, and spirit are you, Christ, the Father, and Spirit are God.
1) 10/24/20 Intelchips said: If what you say about receiving is true then you have been deceived. In all that is known of the Dead Sea scrolls not one single one of them supports the idea the Jesus wrote one single word in them.
~~ Nathan wrote: I KNOW and you can be wrong... just like the gospels Jesus didn't write any of His teachings but the apostles did it through the help of the Holy Spirit, who brought back to their memories what he said and taught. The Dead Sea Scrolls, Jesus spoke to His trusted followers or the angels and they wrote it for Him like they (Matthew and John) did with the two gospels or he/Christ wrote it down Himself.
We/Christians KNOW Jesus is ALIVE and He is in heaven/Venus. Christ/God used to come down to earth in human body form and talked and had fellowship with to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden before the Fall, Christ visited Abraham and Sarah face to face, speaking from heaven to the prophets, and kings in the Old Testament. 2000 years ago, Christ/God incarnated Himself in the person Jesus and lived in that human body for 33 1/2 years then he paid the ransom price for mankind, after death He ascended back to heaven, where he came from to be with God the Father.
I believe The Resurrected Jesus has come and visited earth the last 2000 years like He did in the Old Testament time. Christ came down from heaven/Venus and converted Saul to become one of His trusted and loyal apostles in the 1st century and through down the centuries also...
The Resurrected Jesus can write and speak English or any known languages to humans and non-humans alike.  He is the Creator of mankind and everything in the Universe, you KNOW! He SAID so!
~~ Jesus The Great " I AM " God
(From The Dead Sea Scrolls found in caves 1947)
I, the Lord God of creation, who was and who is and who shall always be the one true God, the mind, the very center of the Universe, speaks to your own heart. The words that I have spoken to my prophets Moses and others were that he should recognize that the great “I Am.” filled his being with the power and the authority to open his mouth in my name and to proclaim his words as a living words that I placed deeply within him.
I have in times past spoken through the mouths of my prophets and then through the mouths of my apostles. Now the times and seasons are approaching, as are the reasons, when my words shall again be spoken by my obedient prophets and apostles. Their words shall be my words and their deeds that shall be my deeds, because I have spoken this thing before the World was ever formed. Those words that I now speak shall be hidden for a season and then shall be revealed in the last times
I shall cause the Earth to quake and the sunlight, which represents the new dawning, shall shine brightly upon those who are appointed to carry my words from the darkness of the caves to the bright sunlight of my new revelation to all mankind ... and mankind shall read and they shall study those words and they shall find that they are the words that will cause an awakening to occur in the minds of mankind.
It has been said in times past that I am in the wind and I am in the fire and I am into the waters. These words are not true. The truth of this matter is that I am the wind. I am the fire. I am the water. I am in everything and in everything that exists. When you touch the mountain, you touch me. When you are touching the water, you are touching me. When you touch the fire, you are touching me. I am the Lord of the Universe and there is not one place that I am not. I am not in the flowers, the plants, the fruit of the land, but I am the flowers. I am the plants. I am the fruit of the land. Mankind will climb into the heavens. I am not in the heavenly, but I am the heavenly. When I created man from the dust of the Earth, I was the dust of the Earth and I was and am the breath of life that causes mankind to live.
Say not that the Lord your God is in the heavens or on the Earth. I am the heavens and I am the Earth. Now you have received the true revelation of my word, which was spoken to you in times past. The word said that I am everywhere present. I am omnipresent. I am not part of myself, but rather I am the whole of the Universe. Wherever you look, wherever you come or go, whatever you do or say, I am there in the midst of you because I am not only in, but rather I am you!
It shall be written in the future that man is the universe. I say to you that I do not dwell in the universe of mankind, but I am that Universe of Mankind, and there is no separation whatsoever. These words that I have spoken to you at this time and in this place are that you might believe the truth of the message that as my Father is one with me so is the Spirit one with me. Now I am likewise in you and you are in me and that means I am one and you are with me. Have I not spoken these words in the past that I am in you and you are in me? (John 17:21) Jesus said, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Let this testimony be with you forever and forever, as we together traverse the streets of that sojourn from dawn to night. Be at peace and look deeply within yourself and you will find me.
Again I have spoken the words in the past that you are indeed gods. I am your God. This revelation is of utmost importance and you must believe the whole truth as I have spoken it in your pure hearing. I say to you, allow the vibrations of your spirit, your inner ear, be unstopped and hear what the Spirit says to you at this hour. I am the center of your universe, because I am the whole of your universe. Know this, for this is the word of the living God, the Creator of all things which are. In time and seasons to come this word will be revealed to you and you shall behold the brightness of this truth, and you shall say, “This is the light for which I have long awaited. This is the revelation that will hold and maintain me through every experience of life.”
Beware, there are those who would destroy this truth, but they shall not be able to destroy this truth because the truth abides in you and you abide in the truth. I have spoken in times past. And I have said that the truth shall cause many to walk in freedom, out of darkness and satanic bondage. And they shall have no further influence or rule over you. I have spoken these truths by the words of my lips and these words are true. Accept them and you shall live in peace, in joy and in victory over all things. Amen!
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© Dr. Frank E. Stranges
** NathanB: 12/20
I have told you guys and gals for 10 years that God the Father, Christ/God, the Holy Spirit and Satan and all of the angels of God came from the Interior planet of Venus! The morning Star. Rev. 12:1-9 After the war in heaven/Venus between God Vs. Lucifer/Satan, God cast Satan and 1/3 fallen angels to earth as their home/prison until the judgment day! Rev. 22:16
Lucifer[1] is the name of various mythological and religious figures associated with the planet Venus. Due to the unique movements and discontinuous appearances of Venus in the sky, mythology surrounding these figures often involved a fall from the heavens to earth or the underworld. Interpretations of a similar term in the Hebrew Bible, translated in the King James Version as the proper name "Lucifer", led to a Christian tradition of applying the name Lucifer, and its associated stories of a fall from heaven, to Satan, but modern scholarship generally translates the term in the relevant Bible passage (Isaiah 14:12) as "morning star" or "shining one" rather than as a proper name, "Lucifer".[2]
As a name for the Devil, the more common meaning in English, "Lucifer" is the rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל (transliteration: hêylêl; pronunciation: hay-lale)[3] in Isaiah (Isaiah 14:12) given in the King James Version of the Bible. The translators of this version took the word from the Latin Vulgate,[4] which translated הֵילֵל by the Latin word lucifer (uncapitalized),[5][6] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".[7]
As a name for the planet in its morning aspect, "Lucifer" (Light-Bringer) is a proper name and is capitalized in English.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
1) Fixit wrote: Nathan, You're rewriting to bible to read:
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am live inside of the bright morning star.” Rev. 22:16
~~ MathanB: I believe the King James translators team made an error... Back in 16th century, they didn't believe in anyone lived outside of earth planet... Can you image what that would be like when they TRANSLATED Jesus LIVES in Venus! King James would have their heads chop off on a platter for mistranslating.
Christ/God Jesus is NOT a the Bright and Morning Star or a planet, He LIVES and came from there/heaven it makes more sense to the readers, now!
Image of the Bright and Moring Star= The planet Venus.
www.bing.com/images/search?q=what+is+the+bright+and+morning+star&qpvt=What+is+the+Bright+and+Moring+Star&form=IGRE&first=1&scenario=ImageBasicHover&cw=1117&ch=544
~~ Many evidences God the Father, Christ live inside Venus planet= The Bright and Morning Star.
professing.proboards.com/thread/30575/life-on-planet-venus
Words of encouragement from our Lord God Jesus Christ the Creator of the Universe
Also from Cave # 7 1. "My Dear Children, by the time you read these words, many years will have passed since my death and resurrection. The times and seasons will be different from the times which I have spent with my disciples. You will be living in perilous days and nights. But you will be aware of my presence with you at all times because this I have already committed to you long ago."
2. "My message to you is to stand fast and hold to that which has been proven to be just and true. Do not hold onto those things of this present world but rather seek first my kingdom and you will be the recipients of all that is good and Holy."
3. "These shall prove to be great days and nights of trials and tribulations. But you, my chosen ones, will rejoice because I have made a way for you were there was no way. You will find that My Words shall never return to me empty or void. You will live in total expectation that I am God of My Word. Yes, I shall keep My Word to you everyday that you live. Then, if and when you depart from your present clothing of flesh, you shall instantly be transformed to be with me for all eternity."
4. "I am presently continuing to prepare a wonderful place for you. When that place is completely prepared for you and My message of My kingdom has been carried throughout the planet, then you shall see and witness positive signs of my soon return. Keep your faith and trust in Me because I am the Lord who has promised to be at your side forever."
5. "Many will attempt to steal your crown and rob you of your joy. But they can never succeed because of My Presence with you. What you have hidden in the deep recesses of your heart can never be removed by the enemy of your soul. Maintain a strong faith in me and My Word and you shall never perish but enjoy life everlasting which I have provided you."
6. "May these words be of continuous comfort to you and to your children. Speak to them in words of joy and comfort, which have been rooted and grounded in My Holy Word. Continue to strive to perform good works among men. Allow the brightness of your own life to dispel the shadows of doubt and fear." 7. "When you read these words much prophecy will have already come to pass, however, more prophetic events will take place to assure you that I am the Lord God. I am the Lord who has permitted many things to occur in the past in order to prepare you for tomorrow. Be of good cheer. Love one another and continue to keep My Word, always."
From the Copper Scrolls Cave #3
11. "You shall also witness my angels and my Heavenly Messengers who will visit you in their chariots and assure you of the Gifts of God."
12. "My Heavenly Messengers will also bear you up on the wings of deliverance as I so instructed them to do."
13. "They will speak of me and my Glory and will show signs and wonders at my command. My Heavenly Messengers will also council you in the ways of the Lord and will reveal to you the wonders of the Universe, at My Command."
14. "Let your faith and confidence in me never waiver. I am with you, Always."
Copper Scrolls Cave #3 The Master speaking, "Do not permit your pure mind to become troubled in any form but rather allow your faith and your belief to solely rest in Almighty God. You believe whole-heartedly in Almighty God, you also believe in Me with all of your heart, mind and spirit.
In our universe, which I have created, there are multitudes of places and orbs which, along with the Earth, shall be your future dwelling places." "I have already prepared many places for you to visit and to also dwell in the future. In reality, because I Am God, I shall be with you always everywhere and will always accompany you. And when the time is ripe you shall know that I have already made a way for you to be transformed and then you shall dwell with me in those other places.
In that manner, we shall never be apart again for I shall be with you, always." "I have already made provisions so do not allow your pure mind, your pure heart or your spirit to become disturbed. I am well aware that the evil one and his followers have already tried and tempted you and attempted to try your faith. He is very busy and his evil activities shall increase as the time of the end shall appear." "His own angels whom I have cast out of the Heavenly, down to Earth, are busy attempting to, in every way, to destroy your faith. But young children shall be assisted by My Angels and other Heavenly Messengers, who will reveal themselves in chariots of fire. They will bring you a message that will cause you to be.
1. "My children, in whom I have entrusted my Spirit, will reap fortunes and riches from the totally unexpected sources. This, because the lack of such wealth has prevented you from fulfilling and performing your ministry to the fullest. I, the Lord, shall speak to those of my other children throughout this orb, and they, in direct obedience to me will communicate with you because of your faithfulness to my calling upon your life."
"Again, as I have spoken to you in times past in my word, I shall speak to you in three distinct manners: In night dreams, in visions of the day and night and by Divine Revelation. This I have promised you and this will be my bond to you. Believe it and know it for I speak these words with my mouth."
3. "These shall prove to be great days and nights of trials and tribulations. But you, my chosen ones, will rejoice because I have made a way for you were there was no way. You will find that My Words shall never return to me empty or void. You will live in total expectation that I am God of My Word. Yes, I shall keep My Word to you everyday that you live. Then, if and when you depart from your present clothing of flesh, you shall instantly be transformed to be with me for all eternity."
4. "I am presently continuing to prepare a wonderful place for you. When that place is completely prepared for you and My message of My kingdom has been carried throughout the planet, then you shall see and witness positive signs of my soon return. Keep your faith and trust in Me because I am the Lord who has promised to be at your side forever."
web.archive.org/web/20161213193255/http://www.rense.com/general66/cave.htm
One of the good angels order was the Venusians human looking/the Guardians from Interior planet of Venus. The same Venus planet that God and Jesus Christ came from. Phil Schneider talked about it before they killed him in 1990s nearby Portland, Ore. These Venusians human looking angels had been working with the U.S. Naval top Secret gov't since 1930s to defeat the German Nazi Satanic cults during WW II.
On the Video below Phil S. talked about the battle with the Tall greys in Dulce, NW underground bases 1979. Listend to Phil S. at 23:20 on Valiant and Donn Thor
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRLU6d-NOhQ
There are Life in other planets.
The Strangest Encounters in Space | NASA's Unexplained Files (Full Episode)
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Jun 13, 2019
www.youtube.com/watch?v=seJSm-vD9OA
Top 20 UFOs Caught on Camera
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Aug 4, 2020
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXKvKJw6Zb4
Brad Meltzer's Decoded:
Proof of UFOs Revealed (S2, E7) | Full Episode | History Channel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RizozLy8kbM
UFO Hunters: Strange USOs Found in the Deep Sea (S1, E2) | Full Episode | History
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Nov 9, 2020
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmDy2rj0w3g
9/12/20 Pragmatic wrote: Yes, and what gets me is the lies about Jimmy Carter, who is still alive. He was asked directly about some of these conspiracy theories, and he had no idea what the interviewer was on about. A friend of our business who was high up in Habitat for Humanity, also asked him if he’d heard such stuff, and he could not believe the nonsense that some people made up to sell their books.
Jimmy is a good Christian man even though he might not have been a great President. I don’t like to see his name dragged through the mud with false accusations of coverups.
~~ Nathan wrote: Like I said, there are things you say, Pragmatic..... about President Jimmy Carter are NOT true, he KNOWS a lot of things that he CAN NOT reveal or admit in public but he is a good president of USA. He did a lot of good things for humanity.
~ Posted 6/2018 An intelligent briefing/information was given to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus is the Visitor from Venus planet. Then the President Jimmy Carter said " So HOW do we TELL the people that? " listen at 1hr: 47
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7D8sYpBsoo
SEX SLAVES Freed from ET Dulce NM Base-Article by Jailed Rescue Team Capt. Mark Richards, Radio Interview of wife Jo Ann Richards
by Enki July 14, 2017
Under secret Presidential Order, signed by President Jimmy Carter, the NSA’s Department Z, the newly established DELTA FORCE, and a specially hand-picked group of Air Force SOC, Navy SEAL, and Army Rangers were organized for a mission so secret that not even command officers were told what it was about until the night of the attack.
enkispeaks.com/sex-slaves-freed-from-et-dulce-nm-base-article-by-jailed-rescue-team-capt-mark-richards-radio-interview-of-wife-joanne-richards/
Here is a testimony of Phil Schnider who was at Dulce, New Mexico WAR with aliens in 1979. He is one of the few survivors to tell about it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6kTODsqbDI
Captain Mark Richards and his father were involved with top-level military intelligence operations since World War II. They were part of the team who invaded the alien run Dulce Base notoriously known as a jointly-operated human and alien underground facility that still exists under Archuleta Mesa. Dulce is a place where humans have been kept underground in cages and experimented on.
supersoldiertalk.com/review-attack-on-captain-mark-richards-who-benefits-updated/#:~:text=Mark%20Richards%20and%20his%20father%20were%20involved%20with,been%20kept%20underground%20in%20cages%20and%20experimented%20on.
Here is a document of Dulce war with E.T.
by Captain Mark Richards
E.D.H. - Earth Defense Headquarters
Technical Brief
Winter - 2001
The turning point came when National Security Adviser Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski met with President Jimmy Carter in the White House on June 14, 1977, with a number of other "intelligence operatives and leaders", to bring the President up to speed on a number of top secret programs, including "Project Aquarius", and the work being done at Dulce, Area 51, and other secret bases.
Brzezinski, a member of the power elite that backed the "Grey" cause, never guessed that the President would be so shocked that he would soon turn to trusted military advisors in the military intelligence community for options of how to stop what had been going on.
The National Security Agency (NSA) had been secretly fighting the alien cause, and the humans that worked for or with the aliens, since it was established in the mid-1950s'. Project Aquarius was originally established in 1953, by order of President Eisenhower, under control of NSC and MJ-12.
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/offlimits/offlimits_dulce08.htm
A Dulce Base Security Officer Speaks Out
The following is a list of questions that were directed to former Dulce Base Security officer Thomas Edwin Castello approximately a year before his death [or disappearance].
hey are followed by his responses:
QUESTION - When exactly was the [upper human-occupied level of the] Archuleta installation constructed?
ANSWER - I heard Dulce was started in 1937-38 by the Army engineers, enlarged over the years, most recent work was completed 1965-66 to connect tunnels to the Page [Arizona] Base, site of one of the older underground facilities. The four corners base is called PERICA. Most of the Native Americans [the Indians] living in that area are aware of that base, and could tell us about the underground life forms that frequently are spotted near those communities, Bigfoot, etc.
Q - By what means was the [upper] installations constructed? Are you familiar with the alleged developments made by the Rand Corporation of a highly-efficient bore or mole machine capable of melting rock using nuclear powered wolfram-graphite tipped ’drill-cones’?
A - According to several senior maintenance workers, part of it was blasted by nuclear devices in the sixties. There are sections, like the shuttle tunnels, that were formed by an advanced tunneling machine that leaves the tunnel walls smooth. The finished walls in those tubes resemble polished black glass.
Q - By WHOM was the Dulce installation originally constructed?
A - Nature started the caverns. The Draco [reptilian humanoids] used the caverns and tunnels for centuries. Later, through RAND Corporation plans, it was enlarged repeatedly. The original caverns included ice caves and sulfur springs that the ’aliens’ found perfect for their needs. The Dulce caverns rival Carlsbad caverns in size.
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook11.htm
Steven Greer Explosive Testimony on Amazing Secret Govt. Advanced Technology. Steven Greer Explosive Testimony on Amazing TOP Secret Govt. Advanced Technology. He has documents to back it up. Listen at 37-47 Min. on John, Robert Kenney and Marilyn Monroe deaths and who did it..... President George H. Bush told Jimmy Carter he wasn't going to tell him anything on UFOs subject, President Jimmy Carter had a UFO experience and did a study on UFOs ... listen 1:17.... some presidents were left out of the loops on UFOs.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NpkckISywA&t=6324s
2/2018 Major UFO Disclosure - Valiant/Donn Thor from Venus are Working at the Pentagon. U.S. space program is 1000 yrs advance than the current technology. An Intelligence briefing/information was revealed to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus. President said, "How are we going to tell people that!" Listen at 1:44-49
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7D8sYpBsoo
Life on Venus? Astronomers See Phosphine Signal in Its Clouds
Shannon Stirone, Kenneth Chang and Dennis Overbye
9/14/2020
High in the toxic atmosphere of the planet Venus, astronomers on Earth have discovered signs of what might be life. If the discovery is confirmed by additional telescope observations and future space missions, it could turn the gaze of scientists toward one of the brightest objects in the night sky. Venus, named after the Roman goddess of beauty, roasts at temperatures of hundreds of degrees and is cloaked by clouds that contain droplets of corrosive sulfuric acid. Few have focused on the rocky planet as a habitat for something living.
The astronomers, who reported the finding on Monday in a pair of papers, have not collected specimens of Venusian microbes, nor have they snapped any pictures of them. But with powerful telescopes, they have detected a chemical — phosphine — in the thick Venus atmosphere. After much analysis, the scientists assert that something now alive is the only explanation for the chemical’s source.
“This is an astonishing and ‘out of the blue’ finding,” said Sara Seager, a planetary scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and an author of the papers (one published in Nature Astronomy and another submitted to the journal Astrobiology). “It will definitely fuel more research into the possibilities for life in Venus’s atmosphere.”
www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/life-on-venus-astronomers-see-phosphine-signal-in-its-clouds/ar-BB191iwE?ocid=msedgntp
9/16/2020
This week, astronomers announced they detected a sign of potential microbial life on Venus: the presence of phosphine gas. Follow-up research is needed – and by coincidence, a spacecraft happens to be scheduled to fly by Venus next month.
The BepiColumbo spacecraft will swing past Venus on its way to study Mercury.
On Monday, astronomers announced an exciting discovery about Venus' clouds: They seem to contain phosphine, a toxic and flammable gas that could be a sign of life.
On Earth, the only naturally occurring phosphine ever found is a byproduct of bacteria. In other words, it's made by a living organism. So if Venus does indeed have phosphine, and it's not created by some geochemical process we don't yet understand, it would mean we're not alone in the universe — not even in our own solar system.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/in-a-lucky-coincidence-a-spacecraft-is-scheduled-to-fly-by-venus-just-weeks-after-researchers-announced-finding-potential-signs-of-life/ar-BB197mh9?ocid=msedgdhp
Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for by this some have entertained angels unawares.
- Webster's Bible Do not neglect to show kindness to strangers; for, in this way, some, without knowing it, have had angels as their guests. - Weymouth Bible Don't forget to show hospitality to strangers, for in doing so, some have entertained angels without knowing it.
Here are 4 Venusians human looking guardian angels of God from Interior planet of Venus where Jesus LIVES (Valiant, Donn Thor, and two women Jill/the blond and the dark hair/Tanyia) at UFO Howard Menger farm in New Jersey, 1959.
www.bing.com/images/search?q=pictures+of+valiant+thor&qpvt=Pictures+of+Valiant+Thor&form=IQFRML&first=1&scenario=ImageBasicHover
~~ The pictures were taken by reporters who were at the UFO conference at Howard Menger's farm in 1958. the guy in the youtube video doesn't KNOW who or what he is talking about. Frank Stranges did NOT meet Valiant Thor in person until 1959. So, Frank Stranges was NEVER at Howard Menger UFO farm in 1958.
“After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but is often true.” - Star Trek, Spock
Here is Frank Stranges testimony of background, and he met Valiant T. at the Pentagon in 1959 a year later, after Howard Menger UFO conference in 1958.
1) Lecture at Kona, Hawaii in 2007 and he died in 2008.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQzhTqh1z_U
ALIENS On Venus? New Probe Images Deepen Planet's Mystery 4/19/16
✔ youtu.be/TcaRp5E3fZQ
Hollow Earth, The Biggest Cover Up - Full Documentary
✔ goo.gl/eVw79L
MUST WATCH Aliens Running Earth FULL Documentary Part
✔ goo.gl/0Ia40h
Jeff Rense & Frank Chille - Mysterious Case Of Valiant
✔ goo.gl/OrhFg2
The alien shoot out at dulce underground base 2011
✔https://goo.gl/2zZrMm
Craig Campobasso about his directorial debut, Stranger at the Pentagon, Best Sci-Fi Short Film 2014 Burbank Film Festival. Richard Shaw discusses the process involved with revealing the hidden messages buried in the Torah!
Official Website:
✔ www.craigcampobasso.com
Tuesday Nov. 18, 2014
ET Encounters & UFO Disclosure
Richard Dolan is the author of the ground-breaking historical series, UFOs and the National Security State, which chronicles the modern UFO age with an emphasis on military encounters and government secrecy.
Official Website:
✔ www.richarddolanpress.com
✔ www.coasttocoastam.com
Additional information:
✔ www.nicufo.org/dr_stranges.htm
Frank Stranges ★ Stranger At The Pentagon Venusian Valiant Thor ♦ Alien Encounters Documentary YouTube Playlist
☕ goo.gl/XMOYiy
Stranger At The Pentagon Movie
In 1959 Dr. Frank Stranges E. had his first physical encounter with Commander Valiant Thor, a Venusian. His book, Stranger at the Pentagon explains the details of his Alien encounters.
Valiant Thor Documentary
Dr. Frank Stranges was a very unusual man. He was not one who would go around "tooting" his own horn. In fact, just the opposite was true. He depended greatly on others to promote the work which he was told by The Lord Himself to do.
~~ Jesus LIVES inside Venus is NOT my own imagination... It's OLD NEWS! I didn't come up with the idea either. This thread Jesus LIVES in Venus planet? It has gone viral on the Internet...  millions people will READ it when they want to KNOW does Jesus live inside Venus planet.... Maybe the votes came from non-2x2s.
www.bing.com/search?q=Does+Jesus+live+inside+Venus+planet&form=ANNTH1&refig=dc3862703b8c45e5bd93270027a5a3dd&sp=-1&pq=does+jesus+live+inside+venus+planet&sc=1-35&qs=n&sk=&cvid=dc3862703b8c45e5bd93270027a5a3dd
1) Mountain wrote: How many will stake their reputation on the following being false? Don't run away and hide now. Stand up and be counted.
www.goodreads.com/book/show/1516916.Hollow_Planets
Hollow Planets: A Feasibility Study of Possible Hollow Worlds - Could the Planets Mercury, Venus and Earth Possibly be Hollow? by Jan P. Lamprecht
The great English astronomer, Sir Edmund Halley first proposed the Earth might be hollow. Later the great mathematician, Leonhard Euler speculated about this, as did the scientist, Sir John Leslie.
Jules Verne's classic tale 'Journey to the Centre of the Earth' was based on Leslie's ideas. Some religions maintain, to this day, that a vast Underworld exists inside the Earth. This is supported by a rich variety of legends and folklore from all continents.
Scientists say all planets are solid. Could science be mistaken? This book is an in-depth review of many papers from science journals of the highest repute. It contains interviews with many top scientists in fields as diverse as seismology and astronomy. The results of this study will send your mind reeling.
Do we live in a Solar System composed of Hollow Planets? This may well be the first scholarly & scientific investigation into a factual basis for the hollow planets, which were previously only myths. This 600 page reference book has caught not only the attention of scientists around the world, but media stars such as Jeff Rense of Sighting and Art Bell. Perhaps based on the facts presented in this book, "everything we were ever taught is wrong!"
~~ NathanB: The book link that mountain posted was one of my sources I have been posted on TMB for 10 yrs,
it wasn't my own idea at all. I just repeat what people had heard, knew and saw with their own eyes, but you doubting Thomas and unbelievers don't believe their testimonies.
9/17/20 dmmichgood said:
Why would those who wrote the Bible know what a "planet" was?
Why would they even know that the moon or sun was actually a sphere?
How could they understand why the moon went through phases?
For all they knew, the sun & the moon were just disks.
For that matter, they didn't even know that what they lived one was anything other than a disk!
The word "planet" wasn't in their vocabulary.
1) Wally wrote: Wrong
2Ki_23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.
Amen, Wally... Good job.
~~ Nathan: Here are Bible verses related to The Planets from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance -
Psalms 8:3 - When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
Amos 5:8-9 - [Seek him] that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD [is] his name: (Read More...)
Psalms 19:1 - (To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Deuteronomy 4:19 - And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
Amos 5:8 - [Seek him] that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD [is] his name:
Isaiah 47:13-14 - Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from [these things] that shall come upon thee. (Read More...)
Genesis 1:14 - And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Psalms 104:5 - [Who] laid the foundations of the earth, [that] it should not be removed for ever.
Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Colossians 1:16 - For by him/Christ were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him/Christ, and for him:
John 1:1-14 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God/Christ.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him/Christ, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word/Christ God was made flesh/Jesus, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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Post by Admin on Aug 7, 2017 8:10:44 GMT -5
Nate,
TMB is mainly for subjects closely or sometimes vaguely related to the F&W fellowship. Other topics often survive by the grace of the moderators (or because we don't discover them).
This whole thread is largely unrelated to what TMB is or should be about.
Before we remove it, I am happy to give you and any others opportunity to express views on whether it should stay or be removed.
And if the latter, to give you time to copy it elsewhere.
My inclination is that it should be on some other forum not TMB. But happy to be guided by views of others.
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Post by Admin on Aug 7, 2017 13:42:21 GMT -5
Thanks Nathan, I am hoping to hear any opinions of others also. Where you have started this thread is on a sub-board of the main TMB board. If there is enough interest, this could be moved because there are a lot of other places on TMB, as you say. It might be on a board for Science Fiction (space stuff, etc.).
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Post by snow on Aug 7, 2017 15:46:34 GMT -5
I'm fine with Nathan having one thread to post whatever he wants. I recognize it takes up a lot of space so that might be a consideration I don't know much about. Everyone seems to have a thread that isn't just about the 2x2's. Our humor thread is an example. I also have a thread I labelled 'what I learned today' which isn't really related to anything 2x2. I can delete it too because it's really a misuse of TMB if those are the guidelines.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 16:48:13 GMT -5
Remove it, or not, none here read it anyway!
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Post by Admin on Aug 7, 2017 17:44:04 GMT -5
Remove it, or not, none here read it anyway! Thanks Dennis. If I were to give over a sub-board to Nathan for his own personal space, where does it end? It creates a precedent for Bert who has said he is developing his own website. Or to be fair, maybe TTT would like to request a space for a shadow copy of the F&W reference website. TMB is a discussion board, not a lecture board. It's also hard for the mods to read through all the material being posted, to ensure that ProBoards rules are not being violated. On balance, we must ask that you remove what you want to keep Nate, and contribute here in discussions as others do. You are very welcome to post links to your own website. My number one priority is to stick to ProBoards rules, to ensure the continuation of TMB for if and when significant events and changes happen in the F&W church. admin |
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Post by Admin on Aug 7, 2017 17:47:12 GMT -5
I'm fine with Nathan having one thread to post whatever he wants. I recognize it takes up a lot of space so that might be a consideration I don't know much about. Everyone seems to have a thread that isn't just about the 2x2's. Our humor thread is an example. I also have a thread I labelled 'what I learned today' which isn't really related to anything 2x2. I can delete it too because it's really a misuse of TMB if those are the guidelines. , your thread is fine. It's just one little thread, not the makings of a new website. And we all can benefit from spending time thinking on 'what we've learned today', whatever it is, to help us be better people tomorrow. Thanks, admin |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 1:33:28 GMT -5
Remove it, or not, none here read it anyway! Thanks Dennis. If I were to give over a sub-board to Nathan for his own personal space, where does it end? It creates a precedent for Bert who has said he is developing his own website. Or to be fair, maybe TTT would like to request a space for a shadow copy of the F&W reference website. TMB is a discussion board, not a lecture board. It's also hard for the mods to read through all the material being posted, to ensure that ProBoards rules are not being violated. On balance, we must ask that you remove what you want to keep Nate, and contribute here in discussions as others do. You are very welcome to post links to your own website. My number one priority is to stick to ProBoards rules, to ensure the continuation of TMB for if and when significant events and changes happen in the F&W church. admin From Olea: Still having problems with replying to posts.
Correct me if I am wrong but I understood Nathan was promoting his new website where one could read all his personal theories on scripture and 'beyond' (and above). Then in the next breath many long winded epistles came onto 'this site'. Very confusing!!!! Your comments do make sense. |
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Post by snow on Aug 8, 2017 12:25:47 GMT -5
I'm fine with Nathan having one thread to post whatever he wants. I recognize it takes up a lot of space so that might be a consideration I don't know much about. Everyone seems to have a thread that isn't just about the 2x2's. Our humor thread is an example. I also have a thread I labelled 'what I learned today' which isn't really related to anything 2x2. I can delete it too because it's really a misuse of TMB if those are the guidelines. , your thread is fine. It's just one little thread, not the makings of a new website. And we all can benefit from spending time thinking on 'what we've learned today', whatever it is, to help us be better people tomorrow. Thanks, admin I was not understanding the amount of space he needed. I thought it was just one thread like this one not a whole sub board. I can certainly understand if that would be too much. I doubt many that post here read it much anymore. I certainly understand you not wanting to set precedents if more than this thread is required. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 0:22:19 GMT -5
These long posts are my way to show you in scriptures and history to BACK UP with proofs, what I have been talking about! You are too slow to see and to understand that.... So, it doesn't make any sense to you, and others on here.
Well, in the judgment day you and those like you can't SAY I didn't warn you about these things. People will not able to say to God, "Nobody, tells or warns me about these things!"....
What is your story Olea? Are you professing.... or used to?
To Administrator.... if your number ONE priority to ensure changes happen in the F&W changes happen in the our fellowship.... Then why are you having so many topics of different threads like humor, cooking, books reading, Bible study, atheists boards, and all kinds of boards on TMB.
You're NOT a being Fair! Admin.... I know you're getting pressure, and pulls from all directions, the exes, the atheists, and 2x2s on here so It's hard to know how to handle their suggestion all at once.
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Post by nathan on Aug 9, 2017 0:44:36 GMT -5
Sept 3, 2017 snow said:
Nathan, yes there is water under the earth's crust. But if you think that God made the oceans of the hollow earth rise up to flood the upper earth and you think that this didn't also flood the hollow earth, then you don't understand the way flooding/water works. The problem lies with the logistics of a hollow earth, then one filled with water, and then one with the whole earth having no land showing. All these things are impossible.
~~ NathanB: There are a lot of things God does that my, your mind and billions people tiny brains can't comprehend How He did it ... Just like the Red Sea water divided and hold itself up, so over 1 millions men, women and children walk on DRY ground to cross over to the other side... and the 600 Pharaoh's Chariots warriors were coming from behind them to destroy them.... Then God released the water and Pharaoh and his 600 chariots and warriors drowned at the bottom of the Red Sea.
There is a central sun/core, the temperature is 72 degree all year round, ocean, rivers, landmass, trees, mountains, foods, animals inside the interior of the earth= The Garden of Eden... We read God created animals and wanted Adam to give them names in the garden of Eden is inside the hollow earth.... After they had disobeyed God, he sent them to the surface of the earth as punishment banished from the Garden of Eden.
Most planets in the Universe are Hollow....
13 Pieces of Evidence Supporting the Hollow Earth
# 10. Oh and… There is a huge Ocean beneath the surface of our planet.
Scientists have not long ago, discovered a large ocean of water inside the mantle of Earth, and they point out that it is a large water “tank” that could fill the oceans on Earth three times.
This incredible discovery suggests that the surface water of the planet came from within Earth, as part of a “complete water cycle on the planet” instead of the dominant theory proposed that water arrived to Earth by icy comets that passed by the planet millions of years ago.
humansarefree.com/2015/09/13-pieces-of-evidence-supporting-hollow.html
Aug 9, 2018 17:32:12 GMT -7 sharingtheriches said:
Neither are the Clinton's, the Royal Queen and family are related/Reptilians .
US Presidential Bloodlines
Did you know all 43 U.S. presidents have carried European royal bloodlines into office? 34 have been genetic descendants from just one person, Charlemagne, the brutal eighth century King of the Franks. 19 of them directly descended from King Edward III of England. In fact, the presidential candidate with the most royal genes has won every single American election.
“This information comes from Burke's Peerage, which is the Bible of aristocratic genealogy, based in London. Every presidential election in America, since and including George Washington in 1789 to Bill Clinton, has been won by the candidate with the most British and French royal genes. Of the 42 presidents to Clinton, 33 have been related to two people: Alfred the Great, King of England, and Charlemagne, the most famous monarch of France. So it goes on: 19 of them are related to England's Edward III, who has 2000 blood connections to Prince Charles.
The same goes with the banking families in America. George Bush and Barbara Bush are from the same bloodline - the Pierce bloodline, which changed its name from Percy, when it crossed the Atlantic. Percy is one of the aristocratic families of Britain, to this day. They were involved in the Gunpowder Plot to blow up Parliament at the time of Guy Fawkes” -
Researchers like David Icke, Michael Tsarion, and Fritz Springmeier, along with foundations like the New England Historical Genealogy Society, Burkes Peerage, the Roman Piso Homepage, and other reliable genealogical sources have documented these royal presidential bloodlines. Actually, by branching out far enough on the presidential family tree, the dedicated researcher will find that all 43 presidents share kinship, belonging to the same general ancestry, often called the 13th Illuminati bloodline, the Merovingian line, and/or the Windsor-Bush bloodline.
Bush is closely related to the king of Albania and has kinship with every member of the British royal family and the House of Windsor. He is related to 20 British Dukes, the 13th cousin of Britain’s Queen Mother, and of her daughter Queen Elizabeth. He is 13th cousin once removed from Prince Charles and has direct descent from King Henry III, Charles II, and Edward I of England. Through the House of Windsor and King Henry III, the Bush’s and Bill Clinton are genetically related as well.
www.ancestry.com/boards/topics.royalty.links/212/mb.ashx
Michael Price, studied at Imperial College London
Answered Feb 27, 2017
Yes, it is a shocking secret, never before revealed, that Queen Elizabeth is directly descended from the Pharaohs of Ancient Egypt. There were about 170 Pharaohs in all, and they had a lot of children. Chances are good that every single person in Europe is related to one of them somehow, especially as the last few were of Greek descent anyway.
~~ Frank Stranges wrote in his book Stranger at the Pentagon: "One of the people who it has been my pleasure to meet personally is Harley A. Byrd - a person who knows a lot about Valiant Thor (a space man living here on Earth). Here are some of his statements in regard to Val;
Valiant Thor The Human Alien From Venus,
Washington D.C. V.I.P. During Late 50's
The Valiant Thor Landing 002741-57 Room 4D-717 Project Blue Book
April, 1957
During the winter of 1956-57, the Washington, D.C. area was extremely cold, but it was a good feeling to be working in a high security position in the Pentagon. I lived only a short distance away in Georgetown, the old section of the Nation's Capital. Senator John F. Kennedy lived on "O" Street just a block away from our house on Prospect.
During a successful tour with the U.S. Naval Ceremonial Honor Guard, we had met with astronauts Glen Cooper, Wally Sherrar, who were the first wave of successful space travelers. Also we had visited the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier numerous times. It seemed like every time a visiting dignitary came to Washington, they lay a wreath at the tomb.
We had met the Queen of England several times at the airport, as these were some of the duties I performed as a young officer in the Navy. After carrying the 2-Star flag at the funeral of my late uncle, Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd, I was recommended for a security clearance and was granted a Top Secret Clearance after a lengthy six-month background study (B1 complete 1957). After being transferred to the Chief of Naval Information (CHINFO), I worked in the Security Clearance section before being indoctrinated into the branch office of the Air Force called PROJECT BLUE BOOK. It was a joint service office; that is, two Marines, two Army, two Navy and three Air Force officers.
The work was routine, opening incoming mail, sorting out what was called actual sightings as opposed to many fake UFO photos. We also acted as a Public Information Office (PIO), much like a public relations office. Every publisher's dream was to get the real low down on the UFO situation, which was suppressed by the group that dictated national policy on the UFO matter.
In mid March, 1957, we received an urgent message from the Alexandria Police Department. The message indicated that two of their on-duty police officers had picked up an alien who had landed some 14 miles south of Pentagon Boulevard, and the occupant was transported to the Pentagon to meet with the Under Secretary of Defense and then shuttled underground to meet with President Eisenhower and Vice President Richard Nixon. The meeting lasted for nearly an hour and then, the alien visitor was put on VIP status and was shuttled back to the Pentagon where he spent the night in the Army reception office on the first floor near the concourse. This alien's name was Valiant Thor.
Commander James was on duty at the Security Clearance and Review for the branch officer of the Project Blue Book. He oversaw the meeting through official channels and reported the landing and meeting of the "space emissary", as he was labeled by the Department of Defense, to a governing group of high military officials including Secretary of Defense F.F. Forestall and other scientific men of which there were twelve. They in turn made recommendations to the President and Cabinet members, the CIA, FBI, NSA, and so on.
The landing of Valiant Thor was perhaps the first documented landing of a human-type alien by military officials. He contacted an individual in the Pentagon who was an advocate of the UFO alien situation. "Nancy Warren" in turn contacted a minister, who was also a private investigator and theologian, a Dr. Frank E. Stranges, who then met with this individual. Dr. Stranges had been a guest speaker at the National Evangelistic Center for two weeks.
Val Thor landed in Alexandria and met with the President to discuss the world's problems and offer advice and counsel on how to deal with and eliminate them. Safe to say that the problems he was discussing were more complex than savings bonds. He indicated to Mr. Eisenhower that the world was in a precarious situation and that if the world continued to proceed on a war footing - it would cause an economic imbalance throughout the world. Val Thor stayed on Earth until March 16, 1960, and then disembarked to his home planet Venus.
He indicated that his race of people lived and dwelled underground and that many of the planets throughout the universe sustain life in this same manner. He also mentioned the waves of aliens who would land around the world to help with the Earth's seemingly insurmountable problems. He stated that a group from a distant planetary system would be coming to give aid and data to help the Earth's progress. Val Thor spoke of Christ's presence in the universe and that it was heartwarming to see Christ's advanced teaching continuing. This visitation at the Pentagon marks perhaps a new era in knowledge, wisdom and understanding on our planet.
- Harley Andrew Byrd
(grandson of Admiral Richard E. Byrd)
the above article came from the book Stranger/ET at the Pentagon author Frank E. Stranges.
There is a picture of Jill, Donn, and Valiant Thor on the article above and it shows that you can see the pad had his writings on it. Therefore, he can writes!
1) Rational wrote: Almost seems that this example was written by someone else.
~~ Nathan: Yes, the article came from Frank E. Stranges, who was the author of the book Stranger/ET at the Pentagon.
2) The Byrd family has a very well documented family tree yet no where does a 'Harley Andrew Byrd appear. No, nathan , you have been through this many times and have yet to produce any verifiable evidence.
~~ Nathan: Here is Harley Andrew Byrd testimony on LIVE the Art Bell Radio show Harley Byrd Interview
October 19th, 1995 On this page you will find various postings to the Hollow Earth list about the interview with Harley Byrd by Art Bell on his radio show which was broadcast, Thursday evening, October 19th. Harley Byrd claims to be Admiral Byrd's grandson.
I recall in a UFO magazine in California, seeing a listing for Harley Byrd and his interest in UFOs and the Hollow Earth. From there as Art got progressively more and more freaked out Harley went on to tell about the mysterious death of his father, his family last seeing him as he left the family home on his way to address a National Geographic Society group on certain aspects of *the story* ... how he was found a few days later in a warehouse dead, seemingly having suffered dehydration and malnourishment ?!!
www.v-j-enterprises.com/byrdgson.html
Richard Evelyn Byrd III was Harley Byrd's father.
Richard Evelyn Byrd III (February 19, 1920 – c. October 3, 1988) was a United States naval officer, Antarctic explorer, and the son of Admiral Richard Evelyn Byrd.
Early life[edit]
Richard Evelyn Byrd III (usually referred to as Richard E. Byrd, Jr.) was born on February 19, 1920[1] to famed naval aviator and explorer Richard Evelyn Byrd Jr. and his wife, Marie Donaldson Ames. The younger Richard was a graduate of Milton Academy and Harvard College.[2]
Military career[edit]
During World War II he was commissioned an ensign in the Naval Reserve on April 6, 1942 and was promoted to lieutenant (junior grade) on January 1, 1944. He was promoted to lieutenant by the war's end and was promoted to the rank of lieutenant commander in the Naval Reserve after the war. He accompanied his father on Operation Highjump to explore Antarctica in 1946.
Personal life[edit]
In 1948, he married Emily Saltonstall (d. 2006), the daughter of longtime Massachusetts Senator Leverett Saltonstall. They divorced in 1960. He had five children and six grandchildren. He worked as a financial advisor with Morgan Stanley.
Death[edit]
He died on or about October 3, 1988, at the age of 68. His body was found in a warehouse in Baltimore, Maryland. He had gone missing on September 13, 1988, after being placed on a train in Boston bound for Washington, D.C. Byrd was supposed to attend a National Geographic Society event honoring the 100th anniversary of his father's birth, but never arrived.[2]The cause of his death was dehydration and malnutrition which resulted from Alzheimer's disease.[3] He was buried, near his father Ricard E. Byrd the Admiral, in Arlington National Cemetery.[1][4]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Evelyn_Byrd_III
~~ Nathan: Harley Byrd's father is Richard E. Byrd III and his father was Richard E. Byrd the Admiral... It seems Harley Byrd is the grandson of Richard E. Byrd the Admiral. It is incorrect to say Harley Byrd is the Nephew to Admiral Richard E. Byrd. He is the grandson to Admiral Richard E. Byrd.
I showed you plenty Photo of 4 people who Live and from Interior Planet Venus! THEY said they came from Interior planet of Venus themselves. Valiant Thor said Christ Jesus is his creator and they live inside Venus planet. He even took Frank Strange to Interior planet to meet him in 1990s and he wrote of his journey to interior planet. What else do you need?
www.bing.com/search?q=Pictures+of+Valiant+Thor+at+New+Jersey&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&rec_search=1&plvar=0&refig=c5172ca0cf474768d875e35c8179474e&sp=-1&pq=pictures+of+valiant+thor+at+new+jersey&sc=1-38&qs=n&sk=&cvid=c5172ca0cf474768d875e35c8179474e
Vice President Nixon Meets Man From Space.
There is a book in the Calif. Library System which states that our former president, Mr. Richard M. Nixon, once carried on a conversation with a man from space. I wonder what he would say about the information stated in the book? Here is the information; … At that moment, another gentleman rushed into the room. It turned out to be Vice President Richard Nixon. He appeared to Val to be very sharp, quick-witted, with fixed, eyes and an amazing aptitude toward speed and profiency. "My name is Valiant," he said as the Vice President thrust his hand without hesitation.
"You have certainly caused a stir...for an out of Towner." The Vice President smiled as he continued, "Of course, we are not totally convinced of anything just yet. But suffice it to say we are checking and double checking everything you say and do. When Sergeant Young from Alexandria radioed in and stated that you had just landed in a flying saucer, we though," he continued, "Sergeant Young had flipped. Say, were you in on that UFO flap over Washington? You certainly had us all in a dither, if you were."
After assuring them that this planet had been under close scrutiny for hundreds of years before the 1945 bomb blast and with his special letter still in the slightly quivering hand of the President, he was requested to follow the Secret Service back the way they had come.. to the Pentagon and into a beautifully furnished apartment where he would spend the next three years. Fortunately, he was prepared for such a lengthy visit and kept in constant communication with the starship. There were many occasions during which he teleported himself in and out of those quarters often exercising "trans-imagery" to cause the security guards to visualize his face on a nonexistent I.D. badge.
Photos Taken
Soon after his arrival, together with three members of his crew, he joined a "convention" in the back yard of the home of Mr. Howard Menger in High Bridge, New Jersey. The month was April, 1957. A certain group of individuals who were interested in UFOs were meeting that day. Val and his crew members, Donn, Jill and Tanyia, had changed into the same type of clothing worn by their Earth friends. The meeting was very interesting and these people were on the right track. He was dismayed to learn the undignified manner in which these people were treated by the press.
Nevertheless, these people were pursuing their beliefs and is was good. A curious young photographer, August C. Roberts, snapped several pictures, thinking he was doing so without Val's knowledge. The photographer seemed to be greatly troubled when he attempted to talk to him. Yet, it was those very photographs which were to bring me together with this unusual man on that cold December day. Holding the message from the High Council in his hand, the President stated that Val's offer to help the human family would upset the economy of the United States and could plunge her into the abyss of chaos. In brief, he politely told Val that the people of this planet were not ready to cope with such conditions as would come into existence if the recommendations of this unearthly visitor were put into action. Nevertheless, he was invited to assist a number of scientists who were out working on medical projects directly associated with the space sciences.
galactic.to/rune/valienthor.html
Pastor/Dr. Frank Stranges is NOT the ONLY human being who entered the Hollow earth. Frank Stranges is the ONLY man who had entered the inner earth and inner Venus planet. Here is a list of names who had entered the hollow earth themselves. Admiral Richard E. Byrd; Franks E. Stranges, Air Force Col. Billie F. Woodward, and others.
humansarefree.com/2011/05/hollow-earth-agartha-complete.html
Phil Schneider showed a picture of Valiant Thor, whom he met one time. A picture in 1943 showing Thor sitting next to his father and other USA scientists on the "Philadelphia Experiment" USS El Eldridge escort ship conference room. Valiant and Donn Thor, have been working for the Pentagon 58 yrs since 1937. The picture was taken in 1943. Valiant Thor arrived and work with U.S. gov't in 1930s.
Valiant Thor, has about 1200 I.Q. Speak over 100 human languages/aliens. Valiant Thor benevolent Being arrived/worked for US Navy in 1937-38. Life span 490 yrs. One oversize heart, One giant lung, blood vessels are bigger, copper oxide blood like an octopus, his brain larger than humans. At 3:31 Al Bielek said a picture of Don Thor (Valiant Thor brother! ) sitting next to Phil Schneider's father Oscar. Valiant Thor and his brother Don Thor have been HELPING the US gov't since 1937 for more than 58 yrs.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=33w5pWAzMY0
Why Are World Leaders Visiting Antarctica?-Steve Quayle
By Greg Hunter On January 22, 2017 In Political Analysis
In the last few months, the world’s political and religious leaders have been making trips to the continent at the bottom of the world—Antarctica. Author of “Empire Beneath the Ice” (second edition December 2016). Steve Quayle says people should take notice. Quayle explains, “What really is going on down there? Here is the billion dollar question, and probably the trillion dollar question: Why are the world’s religious leaders and the world’s most powerful leaders going to Antarctica? I don’t think the Russian Patriarch Kirill is going down there to meet penguins, with no disrespect meant. Someone or something has summoned the world’s leaders.”
Quayle also says, “Most people don’t understand, and this is critical, the United States, in 1947, sent a war flotilla to the Antarctic under Admiral Byrd and it was called “Operation High jump.” It was to seek out and destroy the hidden Nazi bases that intelligence agencies provided them the documentation for. It wasn’t a small thing. There were 13 ships and 4,700 men and state of the art U.S. weaponry. The bad news is we got our rear ends kicked. Russians were spying on us, and they had a video of our aircraft encountering flying saucers.”
Fast forward to today, and Quayle contends, “Black physics is beyond the PhD level, and we are seeing this with CERN (European Council for Nuclear Research). What is so critical for people to understand is, as more activity takes place at CERN, the occult rituals associated with it are so in your face you can’t dismiss this stuff anymore as being the ranting’s of this fringe or that fringe. Something is happening, and the Antarctic is critical. It’s my contention that because of the advanced technology of the Third Reich . . . that they went under the ice, so to speak, and came into contact with beings, sentient beings that Wernher von Braun and others have made reference to many times before they passed away. So, all this is a matter of record. When you put all the records together, it points to this: There is some entity or group of entities that are thinking and have advanced technology and, basically, give orders to the religious and political leaders of our day.”
The history of the world is not what it is. It is what the powers that be pretend it to be. For the record, all of the world’s leaders never believed that Hitler died in the bunker.”
Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with Steve Quayle author of “Empire Beneath the Ice.”
usawatchdog.com/why-are-world-leaders-visiting-antarctica-steve-quayle/
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Post by nathan on Aug 9, 2017 7:43:50 GMT -5
Dead Sea Scroll #3 Cave #3
"The Lord (Elohiem) instructed his Angels, both from the Morning and Evening Star, to assist Lot and his family to escape what was to befall the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. The Two Chosen ones instructed Lot and his family to drape themselves in white Garments (fine linen) and run away from the cities with great haste. Then a voice came from the darkening skies from on high and the other Heavenly Messengers, also from the Morning and Evening Star who rode in their chariots of fire saying unto all of them below, "Make haste because the judgment of Almighty God is about to fall upon these cities. We are prepared to obey His Voice and point our fire-spears towards the cities of sin and destroy them according to the Divine Will of the Father. Then a white light as bright as the sun blazed behind them and the Earth did shake with a mighty roar. The elements did separate as the cities of sin were leveled to the ground. The air above the Earth was filled with destructive dust and everyone including the animals.
"The smoke rose into the heavenlies and did cloak the ground with destruction. Thus, the messengers, from the Stars did likewise accomplish their mission as their wheels returned to the skies where they rested with others in their home which was high above the Earth."
"She who was the wife of Lot, because of her disobedience, did turn around and gaze upon the destruction. She was turned into what appeared to be the salt of the land and the deadly destructive dust that clung over the Earth did indeed cause her life to cease. The smoke and vapor from the cities rose higher and higher as the cities were laid waste in the wilderness on the plains of Zoar that morning."
www.rense.com/general66/cave.htm
~~ In 1957 President Eisenhower asked Val. Thor, "Which planet are you from?" He said, "I am from the planet your Bible calls the Bright and Morning Star." President said, "You mean the planet Venus." Val said, "Yes, sir."
2000 yrs ago, Jesus revealed to John the apostle and to all of the believers in Christ, where is from and living at the time, the Planet Venus in Rev. 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Another scroll found in 1952 speaks of Ezekiel's Wheel
He was thirty years old. His birthday was the 5th of July when this event took place. Ezekiel speaking, "The Hand of the Lord is upon me (revealed). The Mighty Arm of Elohiem rose up from the river Chebar and touched my tongue. Then my eyes, then my headin the midst of the whirlwind caused by the wheel within another wheel thus emanating from the north. The living creatures were like Angels. The Beings looked like men. The wheels did touch the Earth, the fire subsided and the door of the chamber opened and the silver pathway was lowered by the Angels." The Angels beckoned to Ezekiel to come close, to place his feet onto the silver pathway and he proceeded to join together with the Angels.
They then sat and together broke bread, drank and had fellowship together. Ezekiel was then shown the future as God so directed them. As they yet spoke, the silver pathway which came down was raised in the wheel. Ezekiel marveled at the wheel and the grandeur of the Earth falling away beneath his feet.
Among the marvels of the Earth below, Ezekiel saw the grandeur of the Sun, the moon and the stars such as he never saw before. He wept aloud as the Angels of the Lord lifted their hands and their eyes and offered praise unto the Lord of Creation.
The wheels departed from the Earth high above that of the most powerful eagle. Ezekiel saw and witnessed and understood the True meaning of Divine Fellowship between man and those who have come from afar to help the sons and daughters of men. Sleep overcame Ezekiel and when he awoke he found himself lying near the shore of the river Chebar. He witnessed and gazed upon the circle wherein the wheel had left its mark.
web.archive.org/web/20161214143713/http://www.rense.com/general66/cave.htm
~~ Cave #1 From the Dead Sea Scrolls: UFO/The wheel within the Wheel/Chariot of fire and heavenly Created Beings/Angels from the planet Venus Morning and Evening Star. Rev. 22:16 Jesus revealed to His people that He is from the Bright and Morning Star= Planet Venus but he is living inside the Interior planet of Venus.
Frank Potter was a member of Inner Circle of Dr. Frank group/Melchizedek
"The Stranger at The Pentagon" book written by Pastor Frank E. Stranges is just the beginning. The many wonderful truths in the book "Outwitting Tomorrow" are only the tip of the iceberg. Val Thor an Elohim or "Created Being" whose home is on Venus is the leader of the Solar Councils mission to earth. He was directly commissioned by Sananda-Yehoshua The Christ to oversee the planetary redemption plans to liberate earth an to make the people of earth aware that we are not alone in the universe.
Valiant Thor also has spoken to the United Nations on several occasions. Val has worked with the governments of the world to offer them interplanetary cultural exchange which would allow earth to advance in terms of technology. The governments or Cabal refused his offer of assistance to earth many years ago because it would threaten their positions of power and make our financial systems obsolete. Open contact would bring in free energy and advanced healing putting the pharmaceutical industries of sickness as well as the oil and electrical companies out of business as well.
The Stranger at The Pentagon. He met Dr. Frank Stranges at the pentagon in 1957 and began a long association which has been the source of a tremendous volume of spiritual information that Dr. Frank faithfully revealed to the world over his 61 year ministry. Dr. Frank was an earthly member of the council of 12. This council was comprised of 6 space family members and 6 earthly counterparts. This council met regularly and discussed the plans and actions of how to administer humanity into the realization we are not alone on earth and we are responsible for our own spiritual awareness.
Dr Frank was given many lessons on the true history of the earth. He was also taken to Venus several times and to the inner earth agarthan network where he actually saw unicorns, mastadons and other dinosaurs including the famous Sasquatch. Commander Thor introduced him to large benevolent beings from 9-14 feet tall. Dr Frank was chosen by Val to share the revelations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which have been hidden from humanity by the Jewish authorities.
He was privileged to meet the Ascended master Yehoshua the Christ on several occasions and you hear details of these astounding encounters. He was able to view holograms of earths ancient history on special "History Coins" which projected the records of the Akashic right before his eyes. He shares the truth of the star of Bethlehem and When Moses met the Burning Bush. He shares the true eyewitness details of the Last Supper. You will learned who killed both Kennedy's and the location of the 12 Victor class spaceships which encircle the earth in their mission to oversee and protect the earth from hostile forces.
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Frank Stranges journey to the Interior planet of Venus with Val. Thor in 1990s.
~~ Dr. Frank Stranges Journeyed/visited to the Interior Planet Venus on Victor One space ship of Commander Valiant Thor in 1990s.
A spacecraft named Victor One is made ready for a journey through space. The people on board look forward to a visit to their home planet. The visitors also look forward with great anticipation to the trip. The Commander gives the word. Vice Commander Teel has already programmed the onboard computer with the proper calculations that will transport everyone to the planet Venus. Many sides of Victor One are suddenly transparent as people are seated comfortably observing the events that follow. The ship rises slowly at first, and heads for the blue sky above leaving Lake Mead disappearing from sight far below. Of course, this represents a nightmare to any United States Air Force pilots who might be cruising in the area at that time. A nightmare would result and a decision must be made whether to be bogged down with reports which must be filed, should they elect to report this sighting. Or, should they simply totally ignore the sighting and go on their way wondering in their own minds as to the reality of the craft from another world?
Space:
As Victor One picks up speed, the pilot, who is operating the controls with his mind, maintains a precise course for the distant planet. The truth is that his mind must remain on piloting the ship. To allow anything else to enter his mind would indeed throw the ship completely off course. The journey is rather brief as the ship travels through the darkness. The stars in the vast distance testify of the wonder of it all. One could elect to view vast distances through the onboard equipment designed for that specific purpose. Communication is established with the planet as the ship draws closer to the opening in the northern portion of Venus. It then plunges downward through the deadly methane gases surrounding Venus. The temperatures have been calculated to be over 800°F. Victor One dives through the opening with no difficulty.
Arriving the Interior planet Venus:
Upon landing, Victor One is made secure. Coming down the ramp, all smiles, is the Commander followed by his officers and visitors. Warm greetings are expressed and accompanied by hugs and kisses. It is almost like a homecoming event. Everyone is happy and joyous. The temperature is about 72°. The Central Sun is shielded by a protective covering, which prevents severe exposure. The buildings are lighted with multiple colors. Vehicles small and large are cruising through the air. They are surrounded by a medium force field that prevents them from colliding against each other. We are invited to a special meeting followed by a banquet. Needless to say, our friends from space — especially Vice Commander Donn — have a healthy appetite. We sit comfortably at a large round table and are waited upon by young men and women who have requested this privilege to serve the Commander and his friends. The table is colorfully decorated with beautiful flowers, some of which turned color when touched by human hands. It appears that much planning was exercised in making our visit, one to be long remembered.
The Building:
The buildings consist of offices as well as dwelling places. The parliament buildings are completely surrounded by fountains of colorful water. There are also a number of waterfalls that dot the area. The tallest building, is the Government Seat where the Council of Twelve rules with Love and Peace. Waterfalls and many colorful fountains also surround it. Not too many vehicles are parked in the area, only those that are marked by the official seal of the Government. We enjoy the pleasure of meeting the various members of the Council of which Commander Valiant Thor is a member. The Supreme Head of the Council is dressed in a robe bearing the colors of Gold and Purple with a bit of Red and White. It is truly a sight to behold. The remaining members of the Council also appear in full dress colors celebrating our visit. The other buildings, which are dwelling places, represent a series of apartments. Another section of the City is dotted with beautiful two and three-bedroom homes. A body of reflective water touches almost all of them.
The Commander Thor’s house is appointed with a lake directly in front with a small stream running along two sides of his home. The rear of the home is equipped with a fireplace and beautiful garden area in which is found a medium-size Meditation Garden. This is one of the most famous resting spots appreciated especially by Dr. Lee also takes great delight in this particular area of the house.
Their Daily Lives:
Inasmuch as the Venusians only require about one or two hours sleep per twenty four hours, they have much time for relaxation, sports, companionship with neighbors, and of course, shopping. Whenever a special meeting is called, they all attend expecting wonderful information to be shared with them. Their work consists of a few hours either spent at their respective offices or else in other Government activities. There are no police or fire departments required. They teach and train their children at home. There are times, however, when the central education office will broadcast into the homes with special lessons for children of all ages.
Those in charge of government offices are occupied with certain responsibilities, which often include the participation and cooperation of their families. They all enjoy such activities as concerts, picnics, lectures (from visitors as well as their own people), movies, etc. The fauna and flora of the planet testify of the greatness and colorful imagination of the Divine Creator. The colors of the plants and flowers along with the many waterways are deep and rich, also warm and inviting. This is one planet that has been truly blessed in every manner of the word.
We Must Now Leave:
Following several meetings with the Council of Twelve, the Commander has issued the word that we must return to our home planet. Of course, this is most difficult to do. However, we all have loved ones, along with responsibilities that must be attended to on Earth. With the knowledge of the possibility of a return trip, we reluctantly return to Victor One for the journey home following another series of warm hugs and kisses. Upon boarding the craft, we look back at the smiling faces of the Venusians knowing full well that this visit will not soon be forgotten. We assume our seats, relax and return home. Victor One rises through the narrow passageway at the top of the planet and we head for home. I do hope and pray that you had enjoyed his brief trip to the planet Venus. Your comments are always welcome.
© Dr. Frank E. Stranges
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Post by Admin on Aug 9, 2017 8:33:43 GMT -5
That is fine by me... Give me ONE week to remove the things are NOT 2x2 relate I need time to SAVE it on my flash drive..... I will leave my articles and history that relate to 2x2 on this thread.
You must put a warning at the top somewhere for the posters NOT to mention my name in their posts about Hollow earth, Reptilians, Valiant Thor on their posts or they will be removed from the TMB.... Are you willing to do that? I will alert you, and keep tap on them, and I hope you will DO something about it.
If you are serious about your warnings! people will THINK twice when they post my name with the Hollow earth, Reptilians, Valiant Thor and so on... I don't want to defend myself over and over on these things! ever again. Well, I gave you guys and gals 5 years on these things that is enough to last you a lifetime. I will post on my website.
Thanks, Admin. and moderators...
Nate, Tell me when you've finished copying what you want to keep. Best if you remove it after you've copied it, so we don't make mistakes in deleting. If I were to put a warning that anyone who mentioned you and Valiant Thor in the same breath must be removed from TMB, that person could very well be myself as sometimes I can't resist... (only joking). You are right, there are too many sub-boards that are legacies from a past time when we had TMB members who were interested in the topics. Sometime soon with the mod's we will do a clean up. If anyone wants anything particular kept, please let us know before it's too late. The number one priority is not as you put it, to ensure that changes happen. Rather, it's to have TMB open and available for people to discuss if and when things happen. If nothing's happening in the F&W world that people want to discuss here, that's fine. Probably the Facebook sites satisfy much of that demand these days. admin |
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Post by nathan on Aug 9, 2017 10:28:14 GMT -5
NASA Press Release Says Our Solar System Has a 9th Planet/planet X or Nibiru
October 13, 2017
By Brad Jones
NASA has stated that it's quite likely that our solar system is home to a massive, distant ninth planet. Its existence could shed light on some burning questions about the cosmos. NASA has stated that it's quite likely that our solar system is home to a massive, distant ninth planet. Its existence could shed light on some burning questions about the cosmos.
PLANET NINE
Earlier this month, NASA issued a press release stating that it’s likely that our solar system has a ninth planet—even if it’s proving difficult to find. The planet could have a mass ten times that of Earth’s, and be situated twenty times as far from the sun as Neptune. It’s being referred to as “Planet Nine,” and while it’s very difficult to procure clear evidence of its existence, some scientists are absolutely convinced that it’s out there. This image shows the strange, aligning orbits of six distant objects, evidence that our solar system has a ninth planet.
“There are now five different lines of observational evidence pointing to the existence of Planet Nine,” said Konstantin Batygin, a planetary astrophysicist at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), who is part of a team on the search for the planet.
THE EVIDENCE
In a 2016 paper, Batygin and co-author Mike Brown detailed six known objects in the Kuiper Belt that behave rather strangely. All of them have elliptical orbits pointing in the same direction, and all of those orbits are tilted the same way. Both of these traits serve as clues to the presence of Planet Nine.
Computer simulations that took the hypothesized planet into account indicated that there should also be several other bodies with more extreme tilts from the solar plane, on the order of 90 degrees. Brown realized that astronomers are already aware of five such objects, meaning nature did fit with the simulations.
Planet Nine would also explain why the plane in which the other planets orbit is tilted about six degrees away from the sun’s equator: over time, Planet Nine’s distant gravity has made the entire solar system plane wobble away from center.
futurism.com/nasa-press-release-says-our-solar-system-has-a-9th-planet/
~~ Many videos about Nibiru planet update (A MUST WATCH)... The evidence of the planet X is for real, see it for yourself ! 25 min.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRIBTkbunNI
www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nibiru+planet+x+update+today
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Post by nathan on Aug 11, 2017 9:32:24 GMT -5
Nate, Tell me when you've finished copying what you want to keep. Best if you remove it after you've copied it, so we don't make mistakes in deleting. If I were to put a warning that anyone who mentioned you and Valiant Thor in the same breath must be removed from TMB, that person could very well be myself as sometimes I can't resist... (only joking). You are right, there are too many sub-boards that are legacies from a past time when we had TMB members who were interested in the topics. Sometime soon with the mod's we will do a clean up. If anyone wants anything particular kept, please let us know before it's too late. The number one priority is not as you put it, to ensure that changes happen. Rather, it's to have TMB open and available for people to discuss if and when things happen. If nothing's happening in the F&W world that people want to discuss here, that's fine. Probably the Facebook sites satisfy much of that demand these days. admin Thanks, again. |
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 11, 2017 9:48:16 GMT -5
Corrupting every thread Nathan. What is this board about? I thought this subboard was an Announcement Board about other 2x2 related websites...??  |
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Post by nathan on Aug 11, 2017 11:19:44 GMT -5
Corrupting every thread Nathan. What is this board about? I thought it was an Announcement Board about other 2x2 related websites...?? It's about my 2x2 church history, workers testmonies, 2x2 doctrines, and many interesting topics are inluded on my website. I have decided to do something differently... Only a few that I trust will know where I post these information. |
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 11, 2017 15:18:10 GMT -5
I thought it was an Announcement Board about other 2x2 related websites...?? It's about my 2x2 church history, workers testmonies, 2x2 doctrines, and many interesting topics are inluded on my website. I have decided to do something differently... Only a few that I trust will know where I post these information. RE: It's about my 2x2 church history, workers testmonies, 2x2 doctrines, and many interesting topics are inluded on my website.***that's what YOU have made it into, but I don't believe that is what this special board was/is intended to be, nor is it what others have used it for. RE: I have decided to do something differently... Only a few that I trust will know where I post these information.***Works for me! |
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 11, 2017 15:38:20 GMT -5
RE: It's about my 2x2 church history, workers testmonies, 2x2 doctrines, and many interesting topics are inluded on my website.***that's what YOU have made it into, but I don't believe that is what this special board was/is intended to be, nor is it what others have used it for. RE: I have decided to do something differently... Only a few that I trust will know where I post these information.***Works for me! Well, you are promoting your anti-2x2 websites on TMB board of workers/friends , why can't I post things about my 2x2 church history and different topics on my website?The difference is that I make announcements and provide links to additional information. I don't copy and paste all of TTT or TLC on this TMB website sub-board. Sure, you can "post things about my 2x2 church history and different topics on my website?" But last I heard, TMB isn't your website...I'm all for you having your own private website. I say: Go for it - then you can write whatever you want on it! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 18:10:55 GMT -5
Nathan, most folk understand an announcement to be no more than 2 sentences, not pages.
It is good that you have your own website where one can read if it interests people.
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Post by Admin on Aug 11, 2017 18:27:32 GMT -5
Nate,
Come Sunday, I will deal with this thread. I hope you have taken the opportunity to copy and remove all the material that you want for your personal website.
Cherie is correct, TMB is not a board for everyone to use as their own surrogate website. It is a forum for discussion only. This sub-board is for announcements pertaining to other related websites - not a place to repeat the info on them.
Thanks for understanding,
admin
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Post by Admin on Aug 11, 2017 18:57:48 GMT -5
Nathan,
You misunderstand, perhaps it's the English and I'm not fluent in Vietnamese - sorry.
You are free to do the same as Cherie and the rest of the world on this sub-board.
But what you propose with this thread that you started is not appropriate for here on TMB. I will scan it tomorrow, then move what is appropriate to the right area on TMB.
Thanks.
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Post by nathan on Aug 18, 2017 23:18:52 GMT -5
Aug 13, 2017
Nathan said: No, the 2x2 have NOT been dishonest about our history.... John Long, George Walker wrote what really happened in 1898-99.... Back then they didn't have the Internet to saved those information like we can today! I have been telling you folks over 25 years, there has always been Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and fellowship in every generation the last 2000 years... but most of you do NOT believe it.
1) Dmg wrote: Nathan; -since John Long, George Walker wrote what really happened in 1898-99, why was that INFORMATION NOT passed on down to us? It wasn't until Cherie's research found it. It wasn't until Doug Parker also researched it.
Nathan, did YOU yourself know anything about it until their research was published?
Did the person whom you professed though tell you any of that at the time that you professed?
YOU can't blame not having the Internet!
The information was repressed!
As time went by only a few ever had inklings of what was the history and then they knew better than to recount it to anyone else if they wanted to be able to keep professing!
Look what happened when the news DID get out?
What did the workers do?
YOU know what they did!
As long as they possibly could they denied it & told people to burn Parker's book!
Finally when it became so obvious that it was true, -they had to begin using other tactics!
Nathan I am asking you two questions.
If you don't answer them, then I will know that you didn't know anything about the history when you professed.
Here they are: #1) Nathan, did YOU yourself know anything about the history of this way that is called the 2x2's until Cherie and Parker's research became public knowledge?
# 2) Did the person whom you professed though tell you any of that at the time that you professed?
~~ Nathan wrote: #1) I asked God directly about the workers if they were false preachers/teachers in 1978. His answers to me was, NO! not audibly but through different signs and with proof to back it up.... that was God answers were given to me.
I heard about William Irvine when I was in the work 1986-93 . William Irvine was a good, charismatic worker but he went off the rail with false teachings that he was one of the two Witnesses in Rev. chapter 11. And he had sexual problems with women while he was in the work. They would NOT allow him to continue in the work if he wasn't willing to repent and change his way of life.
Then I read the Secret Sect book in 1980 and I knew the information were NOT all correct in that book. I also read Has the Truth set you free? book.
# 2) No, uncle Leo had never told me about William Irvine, all he preached to us Jesus, the 2x2 ministry and the meetings in the homes.... I learned more about William Irvine after I left the work through reading and studying the TTT website, notes from workers in the old days passing on the Internet among us 2x2s.
We have a letter of George Walker writing to Selective Service board in 1940s asking if they allow our professing men NOT to bear arms during WW II. On this letter he mentioned of how William Irvine, a Faith Mission preacher came together with the early workers to continue the Faith Mission 2x2 workers apostolic ministry in 1898-1900.... many of these information were passed among the 2x2s and there was no internet back then to publish it or made it known to ALL of the friends and workers.
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He is the Creator of mankind and everything in the Universe, you KNOW! He SAID so!
millions people will READ it when they want to KNOW does Jesus live inside Venus planet.... Maybe the votes came from non-2x2s.
