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Post by pa on Aug 2, 2017 0:29:42 GMT -5
the answer to this thread is... YES nothing more needed to discuss.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 1:43:48 GMT -5
Amen. Yes I fail to see what ...who Satan's fallen angels had sex with or being bitten by a rattlesnake has got to do with 'was William Irvine a founder in 1897' ! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 16:06:03 GMT -5
Nathan - Please be assured, I don't read, I skim over. The thread heading interested me. I was looking for some sensible discussion in relation to the heading.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 23:41:35 GMT -5
Shalt I obey the commandment according to Nathan..
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 5, 2017 23:11:42 GMT -5
However,- enuf -this thread is one that Nathan created himself so he can't be "corrupting" his own thread.
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Post by nathan on Aug 7, 2017 3:56:50 GMT -5
1) RT wrote in 9/13/22
Nathan. how do you know Princess Victoria was saved ? This is once again an example of how you take something and twist it to suit your own beliefs.
~~~ Nathan wrote: Here are Princess Victoria letter written to the sister worker Maggie! Let the readers decide whether she is SAVED or NOT through the 2x2 ministry of the friends Daisy and another professing friend working in the Royal palace. I say she is SAVED hearing the gospel through Daisy and her professing friend in the palace. Then she was introducing to the workers through letters.
Princess Victoria wrote like a NEW/baby professing woman! 
LETTER NO. 1
June 14th
Dear Maggie/sister worker,
I was glad to get the notes, also a letter since. They were indeed helpful and I had no difficulty in understanding them. I did enjoy the piece about the "Holiest of All." I had read the same chapter and felt quite disappointed I hadn't seen it all myself. These few words have come into my mind so many times today, "And your joy no man taketh from you." I think there is something so consoling about them, don't you? I hope you keep well in every way.
V.W.
LETTER NO. 2
Dear Maggie,
Both (Daisy) and I enjoyed getting yours and to see that you were seeing a little to encourage you. I've been reading again some thoughts on Jacob's ladder you sent me once. I enjoyed them so much, I couldn't part with them, although I've had to destroy the greater part of all that I had. The Lord's promise to Jacob as he yielded to Him is so com-forting. I've had this little verse on my mind lately, Is. 30:15: "In quietness and in confidence shall be your strength." I feel that it is in the quiet moments as we wait on God that our confidence is deepened and so becomes our strength. (Daisy) is a little improved this week - we both send our love.
Yours, V. W.
LETTER NO. 3
Dear Maggie,
I can only give you a note - I was so pleased to get yours, I always am. I hope you are not so busy now, tho' the letters are never a burden. I hope they are not a great trouble. I'm sure you have a great deal to do.
Yrs, V.W.
LETTER NO. 4
Dear Maggie,
I just thought I'd write a line until I get time to write more. I was so glad to get yours. I hope you have a companion by this time, and that the interest of the couple you mentioned has increased and soon you may see them won. I hope you keep well in health.
Yours, V.W.
LETTER NO. 5
Dear Maggie,
I've just realized it is some time since I wrote you last tho' my thoughts are often with you. Was glad of your last, so helpful especially the thoughts in Paul. I am having a few weeks in the country, as I haven't had very good health lately, and am enjoying the quiet after London. Was reading today of Moses fighting with Amalek and was encouraged noticing how he overcame when the Lord was with him. I did wish I had more power to overcome. I wonder if you have gone to Birmingham yet. I should so like to know how you get on. I hope you keep well.
Yours, V.W.
LETTER NO. 6
Dear Maggie,
I did enjoy getting yours, it was so good of you to explain the chapter. I never thought Amalek stood for the flesh, nor had I noticed that Jehovah-nissi meant "The Lord my Banner," so it was especially interesting. I hope you are encouraged by seeing some won there - shall be so glad to hear from you.
Yours, V.W.
LETTER NO. 7
Dear Maggie,
I'm writing you instead (of Ed Cooney). Please thank him for his. I was so glad to get it, also enclosed which I'm returning by (Daisy). This last seemed such a long week - and it's so difficult to be patient and so hard to make others understand, but I'm glad in my heart. I do want to be true. I'm so sorry you are so unwell - I'm sure a rest will do you good.
Yrs, V.W.
LETTER NO. 8
My Dear Maggie,
I rejoiced to read the good news your letter brought - that one had decided to follow Jesus in The Way. It's true, Maggie, that few get to the place where they can say like Peter "Lord, to whom shall we go." ------? is staying a few days longer and is coming back later which will help me a good deal. It is nice to see how the Lord has overruled from the beginning. I hope I shall be worthy of it all.
It is true we have much to cause us to say like David "What shall I render unto the Lord for all His benefits toward me." I have enjoyed reading today about the two disciples on the way to Emmaus. It cheered me as I read of Jesus drawing near to them in their loneliness although they didn't know Him at first. I'm hoping to hear from you once more before (Daisy) goes.
Yours, V.W.
LETTER NO. 9
Dear Maggie,
I began to write to you before but didn't finish. I'm glad you're getting a rest - hope you'll return quite well and strong again. I did enjoy your letter - was encouraged today reading in I think Psalm 17, "I shall be satisfied when I awake with thy likeness." David always strived for the best, and never seemed contented with less - I felt I needed a good deal of David's spirit.
Yrs, V. W.
LETTER NO. 10
My Dear Maggie,
I did enjoy your letter, have just been sending on a little of it to Emily Ruddell and Ruth. I was glad to know that you still find a little to encourage your heart there. (Daisy) seems better but is still far from well. I shall be glad when she comes to me. She tells me that she will probably be seeing you at -------? Have just been reading Matt. 9 and noticed how the different ones there made efforts to get in touch with Jesus and thought when asked which was easier to say "Thy sins be forgiven thee or rise up and walk" that we like to know our sins are forgiven, but have to begin to walk and it is only as we are able to walk that there is proof that we are forgiven.
You will be glad to know that I am going to an Irish convention. I am so looking forward to it.
Yours in Him, V.W.
tellingthetruth.info/publications_index/princessvic.php
Account by Peter Svinth (P.S.)
It happened at the same time that a girl, Daisy Bassett, who was working at the royal palace, got in touch with a girl from New Zealand in service in a mansion, Ruth Jordan. She was professing and brought Daisy in touch with the workers, and she also soon professed. This became known at the palace and Princess Victoria, a single, middle-aged, single favorite sister of King George V, approached Daisy and said: "They tell me you worship in a stable."
The Princess got so interested by what Daisy told her that she got in touch with the workers through letters. She was cut off from getting to meetings. They raised a storm in the palace. Old Lord Stamfordham***, who ruled the palace and another high-up made it very hard for Daisy.
They suspected Daisy and Ruth were German spies, and had the Scotland Yard to shadow them. This was a very serious charge, while England was engaged in a deadly war. Lord S. threatened Daisy and said when the war was over he would stamp out this "stable religion" out of the country. He also arranged that Victoria was being watched, and she had to keep her correspondence with the workers a secret.
Daisy, at first, came to open air meetings that Ed Cooney and John Pattison had, and one night she brought a letter addressed: "To the man of God," and had others pass it onto the workers. That was how she started. (Their open air meetings were in Hyde Park, a place where anyone could have a meeting it seems, and apparently more than one meeting could be on at the same time.)
Lord Stamfordham*** brought the Archbishop of London to try to persuade Daisy not to go to the meetings. He asked, "Do you go to meetings in a stable?" She said, "No, but if so, that should be no dishonor. Jesus was born in a stable." Once I came to Grant's home, just as Daisy had left. She had brought her black cat, asking them to take care of it for her. It was being abused at the palace.
After a while Daisy had to leave and Victoria left the palace to live at her country residence, "The Coppin," where she practically was cut off from correspondence with any of God's people. Now Daisy would not be there; she had been carrying the letters secretly between the princess and the workers.
Now Victoria's mother gave her permission to attend meetings an conventions. But that aroused Lord S. so much that he managed to have Princess Victoria banished to a castle on the Isle of Wight, where she was cut off from all connection with God's people. That must have been not much later than 1920. She died there December 3, 1935. Papers stated she had lived a quiet, godly life, was deeply mourned by King George V.
Daisy, Ruth and Flossie were the three girls working in London, and the latter seems to have been a close friend of the Princess. The royal family had confidence in Daisy and would not allow Lord Stamfordham*** to fire her. She left the palace for health reasons: nerves. There can be no doubt she could have avoided this fate, had she been willing to give up her faith.
Little is known of Daisy after she left the palace. There seems to be no sure information, only that she died soon after. She certainly had a great heart for the things of God and was used by God to make the truth known at the palace to where very few had access. But there are letters of hers written while living in her mother's home. She says her mother tried to persuade her to forget all about this thing (as if she could). Her father had been employed at the palace, but had died before Daisy professed.
Mona Lisa on the moon 1.5 Billions years old
According to official government records, the last time man ever set foot on the Moon was back in December 1972, when Apollo 17 astronauts Eugene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt spent three days on the lunar surface.
What most don’t know is that more Apollo missions were originally planned - Apollo 18, 19 and 20 – all of which were already in the construction and / or in the latter planning stages when they were cancelled in 1972 supposedly due to declining public interest and budget cuts. That was seemingly the case until 2007, when astronaut William Rutledge posted a video to YouTube claiming it to be from the secret Apollo 20 mission.
Rutledge claimed Apollo 20’s goal was to explore the polar region of the Moon, on its dark side, and in particular a miles-long crashed spacecraft. Continue reading for five more moon mysteries that will make you wonder.
www.techeblog.com/apollo-20-mission-and-5-more-moon-mysteries-that-will-make-you-wonder/
NEW AND BAFFLING VIDEO FOOTAGES ON YOUTUBE PROVIDED BY W. RUTLEDGE
SEEM TO CORROBORATE HIS AMAZING STORY
by Luca Scantamburlo
A few weeks ago I interviewed a man by the name of William Rutledge, who has been claiming his identity: he would have been an astronaut during the '70s, employed by the USAF in collaboration with NASA during a secret Space mission.
My interview was carried out by my YouTube Account/General Messages. William Rutledge registered himself on YouTube as a man of 76 years old (YouTube user: ?retiredafb?), who now lives in Rwanda. He told me he is an American citizen, now civilian, born in Belgium in 1930 and employed by USAF as test pilot on various aircrafts.
According to his report supported by some outstanding videos uploaded on YouTube since April 2007, after the Apollo 17 (December 1972) and the ?Apollo18-Soyuz? mission taken place in July 1975, there were other two missions on the Moon: the Apollo 19 (failed because of <<a loss of telemetry, a brutal end of mission without data>>, see the interview with W.Rutledge) and the Apollo 20 (August 1976), which were both classifed Space missions launched from the Vandenberg Air Force Base (California).
www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-NewEvidence.htm
WRITTEN INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM RUTLEDGE, AN "APOLLO 20" ASTRONAUT (1976)
by Luca Scantamburlo
June 30, 2007
A secret joint space mission on the Moon, result of an American-Soviet collaboration taken place in August 1976? Is it possible? Why not, if you consider that the existence of a Federal Agency like NRO (National Reconnaissance Office), and its missions of overhead reconnaissance, "were declassified in September 1992" (according to its official website). And is it really possible that such a collaboration has been prepared to explore a huge alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon?
William Rutledge (according to his story, a man of 76 years old who lives in Rwanda, former of Bell Laboratories and employed by USAF) is the name of the? deep throat? who, since April 2007, has been disclosing information and spreading a lot of video and photographic material on YouTube, about the presumed Apollo 20 space mission. His user name on YouTube is? retiredafb?, and the most amazing footage he released so far is the presumed flyover of an ancient alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon by the Apollo 15 crew.
A second reason, in my opinion, is that William Rutledge is not gaining money from doing that. A third reason is the detailed story he told me in the following interview, full of technical and other specific aspects coherent among them. There are just some incomplete biographical notes about the famous NASA astronauts. But he answered kindly to every single question I have put to him, without hesitation, and he provided several names of the presumed American and Soviet people involved in that classified space mission. Some of them are still alive. It could be interesting to be able having a comment from them.
The fourth reason is the quality of the footages on YouTube, which seem consistent with a shot equipment available during the '70s and the first '80s. I asked to an expert in shot, an Italian friend of mine whose name initials are F.D. His comment about the footage spread by William Rutledge was the following:
In any case, the public will be the first judge of this story, which could become in the near future the definitive proof that we are not alone in the Universe.
1) Luca Scantamburlo: First of all I want to thank you for your time and availability. It means a lot for me and, I guess, for all the people around the world, very curious about what it is going on YouTube after the release of your amazing video footages and information on the presumed "Apollo 20" space mission. Now we can begin our interview. Because of my professional activity, I will start from a skeptical point of view.
So please, I kindly ask you to understand it. You will have the space to answer and for explaining your reasons. What is your name? How old are you and are you an American citizen? Sometimes your written English contains some orthographical mistakes? Are you forgetting your language rules (e.g., you wrote "maicroscope" instead of "microscope")? Somebody on the Web said you do not seem (considering your writings) an American-English native land?
2) William Rutledge: I'm not offended, I like to answer to skeptics, you cannot imagine what kind of messages I receive. That is my name, William Rutledge, no Standford Rutledge, it's another one. Born in 1930 in Belgium, American citizen, I know about mistakes, I'm writing too fast with arthrose problems and I'm always nervous when I'm writing, it's like trying to contain a flow of water. I'm not accustomed to speak in English anymore since 1990. I have learned Kinyarwanda and use French, sometimes German because Rwanda is a former Belgium-German colony.
6) L.S. Now we can discuss the ancient? alien spaceship? and? the City? on the far side of the Moon. Did you go inside the spaceship? How big was it and what did you find inside?
~~ W.R. Said: We went inside the big spaceship, also into a triangular one. The major parts of the exploration was; it was a mother ship, very old, who crossed the universe at least milliard of years ago (1.5 estimated). There were many signs of biology inside, old remains of a vegetation in a "motor" section, special triangular rocks who emitted "tears" of a yellow liquid which has some special medical properties, and of course signs of extra solar creatures. We found remains of little bodies (10cm) living in a network of glass tubes all along the ship, but the major discovery was two bodies, one intact.
17) L.S. Did you visit ? the City? on the Moon? Where was it? Did you understand if was there a connection with the Space ship? Are ?the City? and ?the Ship? still there?
~~ W.R. The "City" was named on Earth and scheduled as station one, but it appeared to be a real space garbage, full of scrap, gold parts, only one construction seemed intact (we named it the Cathedral). We made shots of pieces of metal, of every part wearing calligraphy, exposed to the sun. The "City" seem to be as old as the ship, but it is a very tiny part. On the rover video, the telephotolens make the artifacts greater.
18) L.S. What about the ?Mona Lisa EBE?? [the correct Italian name is ? Monna Lisa?] How does she look like and where was she at that time, when you found out her on the Moon. Where do you think she is now?
~~ W.R. Said Mona Lisa ? I don't remember who named the girl, Leonov or me - was the intact EBE. Humanoid, female, 1.65 meter. Genitalized, haired, six fingers (we guess that mathematics are based on a dozen).
Function; pilot, piloting device fixed to fingers and eyes, no clothes, we had to cut two cables connected to the nose. No nostril. Leonov unfixed the eyes device (you'll see that in the video). concretions of blood or bio liquid erupted and froze from the mouth, nose, eyes and some parts of the body. Some parts of the body were in unusual good condition, (hair) and the skin was protected by a thin transparent protection layer.
As we told to mission control, condition seemed not dead not alive. We had no medical background or experience, but Leonov and I used a test, we fixed our bio equipment on the EBE, and telemetry received by surgeon (Mission Control meds) was positive. That's another story.
Some parts could be unbelievable now, I prefer tell the whole story when other videos will be online. This experience has been filmed in the LM. We found a second body, destroyed, we brought the head on board. Color of the skin was blue gray, a pastel blue. Skin had some strange details above the eyes and the front, a strap around the head, wearing no inscription. The "cockpit" was full of calligraphy and formed of long semi hexagonal tubes. She is on Earth and she is not dead, but I prefer to post other videos before telling what happened after.
19) L.S. Were you able to understand the origin of the spacecraft and how old was it?
~~ W.R. The age was estimated to 1.5 milliards/Billions of years, it was confirmed during exploration, we found ejections from the original crust, anorthosite, spirals in feldspathoids, coming from the impact which formed Izsak D; The density of meteor impacts on the ship validated the age, also little white impacts on the Monaco hill at the West of the ship...
You can read the rest of the interview down below....
www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm
~~ Pragmatic, tried to discredit me and William Rutledge and he failed.
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1) curlywurlysammagee said:
drive.google.com/file/d/1vwB1jcMjveFL-IYPVPpDISKecuNhkp-2/view
Here's some notes the FBI made on Frank Stranges. Page 7 is quite interesting. Of course, Nathan would know all this already as he has been doing his research since Adam wore nappies.
2) NathanB: Wow! people should READ more carefully! on FBI file.....
Frank Stranges denied to the FBI stating or conveying impression on any occasions that he was associate with the FBI. Stranges described himself Former Private investigator! NOT an FBI agent.
Date 10/24/1960
The agent said he must have misunderstood or misinterpreted the statement made by Dr. Frank Stranges Orally at the meeting and that probably Dr. Frank had merely said that he was a Former Special investigator and NOT a former Special agent of the FBI..... The FBI dropped the charge against Dr. Frank Stranges.
FBI file on Frank Stranges
drive.google.com/file/d/1vwB1jcMjveFL-IYPVPpDISKecuNhkp-2/view
Dr. Frank Stranges is the President of the International Evangelist Crusaders, Inc.
Former Vice president of Baltimore Bible School in Maryland, and the Church School of Theology in New Hansphire where he was awarded the degree of DOCTOR! of Divinity in 1956.
professing.proboards.com/thread/31107/lying-frank-stranges
~~ Frank Stranges Poll. 18 vote No, and 8 votes for YES!
professing.proboards.com/thread/31220/frank-stranges-material-add-value?page=1
Oct 23, 2021
Annan said: Since we are reminiscing. So, why should workers be hung according to you?
1) Dan from TMB wrote 9/2020 :
A big deal and a lot of fuss has been made over that simple statement... I would suggest taking it as a harsh figure of speech that's not taken literally, but just a dysphemism instead of a euphemism. I'm sure Nathan was not suggesting that "Someone should get a rope!".... But figuratively expressing his disapproval of those who spew the anti-trinity doctrine.
When one denounces the divinity of Christ, and they don't believe that "I and my Father are one" or "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father", then from a spiritual perspective, they are essentially hanging themselves. If Christ were just a man separate from the Father, he'd have no power or authority to save anyone, nor could he be our intercessory for prayer. He was a divine sacrifice from the onset.. "His divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life" (2 Peter 1:3).
My comment was speculative, but generally people aren't being literally serious when they use an expression like that. It would be like me saying that anyone who voted for Biden ought to be hung.. That would generally just be construed as an off-handed comment expressing my disapproval of Biden.. Likewise, Nathan was a Worker and I'm sure considers co-Workers friends, so commonsense would dictate that he wasn't literally advocating for the hanging of anyone.
I didn't see the post, but I'm convinced it was just a figure of speech used to emphasize his disagreement with the anti-trinity doctrine. Example; If I were diametrically opposed to Catholicism, I might say "All Catholics ought to be taken out and shot", but I certainly wouldn't anticipate anyone blowing it out of perspective and taking me literally. Such is the case with Nathan's comment, the objections to it have been way over-blown, and I'm sure no one sincerely believes he was serious.
~~ Nathan: Amen, Dan... some People like Annan, a proclaim Witch and those like her on here take my posts out of context on here many times and they repeat it over and over when I already explained to them many times in the past. Jesus often use figure of speech like in Jesus said in Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Jesus/God said to the church at Pergamos in Rev. 2:14-16 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Jesus’ Use of Figurative Language Use of Figurative Language
Including Notes from The Method and Message of Jesus/ Teaching by Robert H. Stein
www.eldrbarry.net/clas/gb/b26figure.pdf
Jesus used Figure of speech now.... So, those who have taught false anti-Trinity and Jesus is NOT God doctrine would REPENT! of their sins and STOP preaching their false teachings to God's people and to the world like sowing TARES among the Wheat.
God and Christ give them a second opportunity to change their false teachings they have taught... And if they don't change it will be their REALITY of hanging/cast in the lake of fire after the day of judgement.
The death of Henderson Narelle and her brother Stephen... for NOT want to attend conventions
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Hope of Israel Ministries (Ecclesia of YEHOVAH): The TWO Creation Accounts of Genesis! There is a great difference between the CREATION event described in Genesis chapter one and the FORMING event described in Genesis chapter two. It is common practice for most Christians to assume that chapter two is simply a rehash of chapter one -- with additional information provided. But when we take a close look at the differences between the two events in the two chapters, it becomes almost impossible to believe that they are describing the same event. by John D. Keyser www.hope-of-israel.org/twocreationsaccts.htmlI Peter 4:17-19 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. Jude 13-15 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.Paul encourages Timothy to be diligent to present himself as a workman approved by God who would not need to be ashamed because he was rightly dividing or accurately handling the Word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15)Paul wrote in Romans 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Jesus said to use righteous judgment. Don't let people take advantage of you, or walk you over and over like a door mat like some people do on TMB.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under heaven:
a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain,
a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.
Revelation 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done.
Jesus said this in Matthew 6: 10-12 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
God said in Isa 54:17 “No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.”
Psalms 2:1-6 - Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/bible-verses-like_Isaiah-54-17/There are seven texts often cited by Christians to condemn homosexuality:Noah and Ham (Genesis 9:20–27), Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:1–11), Levitical laws condemning same-sex relationships Leviticus 18:22 " Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."
Leviticus 20:13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Two words in two Second Testament vice lists Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6: 9–10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 1:10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
Paul's letter to the Romans 1:26–27 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Rev. 21:6-8 6 Christ/God said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”~~ Here are the early church fathers teaching on Jesus Celibacy: A dictionary of early Christians beliefs by David W. Bercot~~ (Methodius A.D. 290) Let us inquire as to the reason that none of the patriarchs, prophets, and righteous men, either praised or chose the state of virginity. The reason that is was reserved for the Lord alone to be the first to teach this doctrine. It was fitting that Jesus who was the first and chief of priests, prophets, and angels should also be hailed as the FIRST and chief of VIRGINS. For in the old times, man was not yet perfect. And for this reason, he was unable to receive perfection which is VIRGINITY.
~~ (Pierius A.D. 275) " I wish that all men were even as I am." Pierius, when he was expounding and unfolding the meaning of the apostle Paul and purposed to explain these words, added this remark: " In saying this, Paul clearly preaches Celibacy." concerning virginity, we received no commandments. Rather, we have leave it to the power of those who are willing to maintain it as a VOW. It is clear to all, without any doubt, that to care for the things of the Lord and to please God is much better than to please one's wife.
(Methoditus A.D. 290) In the Song of songs, to any who is willing to see it, Christ Himself praises those who are firmly established in Virginity, saying, "As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters."
Virginity is something supernaturally great, wonderful, and glorious. To speak plainly and in accordance with the Holy Scriptures, this best and noble manner of life is alone the root of immorality-- as well as its flower and first fruits. And for this reason, the Lord promises that those who have made themselves ENUNUCHS shall enter the kingdoms of heaven. Celibacy among humans is a very rare thing and difficult to attain. It is NOT enough to merely keep the body undefiled but we must care for the souls of men as being the divinities of their bodies. For all of the irrational appetites of a virgin are banished from the body by divine teaching. ~~ Whoever made those two lists.... they gave you the history in Chronological Order! of different events happened through the centuries to our current days!
1) rationalwiki.org/w/images/b/b9/Qanon-map.jpg2) rationalwiki.org/w/images/9/91/Great-Awakening-map.jpg3) Trump and his military generals are revealing secrets to the public....
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4) Israel’s Former Space Security Chief Claims Aliens Exist, And Trump Knows | NBC News NOW
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6iE62jovMo&ab_channel=NBCNews"ALL We need is the RIGHT major Crisis and the world nations will accept the New World Order." (Covid-19) David Rocketfeller 1994Read chapter 10The History of New Word Order/the Illuminati/666apologet.spb.ru/images/st/1655/img_1655_c2a7c1d000ffb83eda71d282466215bb.pdf
SEP 9, 2013
Illuminati Control Of Politics, The Music Industry, The Media, The Movie Industry! How Do Secret Societies Operate?
Does the Order of the Illuminati control the world?
Does the Order of the Illuminati control the world?
What is the Illuminati?
The Illuminati is a secret society that is attempting to seize control of the world. They are trying to achieve this by controlling money. Control of the population of the planet is very high on their agenda. By controlling money and wealth, they hold the reins of society. These elites that make up a group such as the Illuminati desire power above all else. Using motion pictures and popular music, they can alter a persons perception of the world!
Without any knowledge of their tactics, society is easily swayed by what they see and hear. Through the control of all forms of media, the Illuminati can determine exactly what they want people to believe. When a lie is told enough times it becomes truth as no one realizes the facts.
The Illuminati agenda includes enslaving all the people in the world!
The Illuminati agenda includes enslaving all the people in the world!
The Illuminati holds beliefs that their power is derived from subliminally brainwashing the population through catchy songs and advertisements. By getting society to believe their lies they can manipulate the people to think and act in a way that will be beneficial to the Illuminati!
Realization of their actions is the only form of resistance that society holds. Educating others to the facts of this global manipulation is the only way the people can break free from the virtual chains that has enslaved us. Forcing all human beings in to a form of slavery, beholden only to their corporate masters, is the ultimate aim for groups such as the Illuminati!
Unification of the people, is the greatest threat to the secret societies craving for control of the world. Through both education and unity, the people can surely break the virtual control of the Illuminati, stopping all their evil intentions at the same time!
The people of the world need to unite!
The Illuminati fears a unified humanity, that is why they attempt to divide the people through wealth, race, religion, sexual orientation. As we bicker among ourselves, they seize control! The Illuminati fears a unified humanity, that is why they attempt to divide the people through wealth, race, religion, sexual orientation. As we bicker among ourselves, they seize control!
Must see....
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13 Illuminati families control the world
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Ignorance is bliss proverb It is better to remain unaware or ignorant of things that may otherwise cause one stress; if you don't know about something, you don't need to worry about it. The expression comes from a 1742 Thomas Gray poem ("Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College"): "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise."
Diagram basic structure of the Illuminati
and its relation to cooperating to Satanic bodies
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Producer of “Hunger Games” talks about Hollywood pedophiles:
Predators people such as Bill gates, Paul Allen, Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Epstein, Weinstein Hollywood famous people, Satanic music industry and so on... the children are raped, tortured, and human sacrifices to Satanic rituals up to Royals family and the Vatican. They harvest children organs, murders them for pleasure.
Sep 19, 2020
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOFR8oMiA5w&feature=youtu.be
1) fixit: Why do you call Democrats evil?
~~ Nathan: Because MANY of them/Clintons and Obama are... and the Republicans/Bush's family too.... They are Illuminati... seed of Satan/Eve= Cain and their children on earth. They are the RULERS of the world behind the scene, pulling all the strings on the puppets.
Wow! history of crimes against humanity: Clintons, Bush's family, Obama..
Trump is NOT perfect either... He repented of his sins... and tried to expose the cabal, Illuminati and to drain the swamp, pedophile rings in Hollywood, high ranking government officials, wars crimes against humanity during his 3 1/2 as President of U.S. and they didn't appreciate that and nailed him to the Cross with Corvid-19 released on the world population and millions people around the world died have died and millions are infected, to accomplish their/Illuminati agenda, they will do it at any cost.
www.linkedin.com/pulse/treasonous-bush-clinton-obama-pedo-cabal-dynasty-gets-hagopian
Agenda21-30 is to depopulation from 8 Billions people down to millions.www.bing.com/search?q=Agenda21+to+depopulation+from+8+Billions+people+down+to+millions&form=ANNTH1&refig=5974dffe327c4c5eab3cdb4b01210edd&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=agenda21+to+depopulation+from+8+billions+&sc=0-41&qs=n&sk=&cvid=5974dffe327c4c5eab3cdb4b01210eddWhat are chemtrails?
1. What Are The Trails In The Sky? If you look up in the sky, you might see the trails airplanes leave behind. We call them condensation trails or contrails. Jet engines spew out hot, humid air in the cold atmosphere. This process causes condensation that crystallizes into ice. The ice crystals are the clouds that we see forming behind the engine. Contrails usually dissipate within seconds. But lately, these trails have started to linger much longer in the sky than before. They can stay in the sky for hours and create a fog that blocks the sun. Chemtrails are a death sentence on the environment. They pollute people, rivers, lakes, seas, land, plants and forests. These chemicals diminish the rainfall, traps the heat, and increases humidity. People under chemtrail attacks report respiratory and flu-like illness, mental confusion, and depression.
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Chemtrails | NASA and HAARP | Proof of Geoengineering and Weather Modification
Weapons to depopulation... causing cancer, flulike illness, mind control, mental confusion, altustism... www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Chemtrails+is+NOT+Turbofans.&docid=608045594340492646&mid=64F7EC2ADBB515D3832464F7EC2ADBB515D38324&view=detail&FORM=VIREChemtrails Fully Explained! MUST SEE!!... SHARE THIS INFO!!!
YouTube · 416,000+ views · 1/14/2017 · by Arch Angel X www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Chemtrails+is+NOT+Turbofans.&&view=detail&mid=2EC9D1A66F56AD19795B2EC9D1A66F56AD19795B&&FORM=VDRVRVIlluminati in America: The Council on Foreign Relations
The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), which some people regard as a THINK TANK, describes itself as being "dedicated to increasing America's understanding of the world and contributing ideas to U.S. foreign policy. Many think that the CFR is perhaps the most powerful private organization to influence American foreign policy, and that it's involved in seeking a "New World Order" According to the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign Relations is the American branch of the conspiracy to take over the world and create a world government. The leaders of this group, as well as the leaders of the nation, are all members of the Illuminati and play integral roles in the groups' mission. The Council was founded in 1921 by President Woodrow Wilson's chief advisor, Edward Mandell House. He allegedly wielded a great deal of power during the Wilson Administration and as a Marxist, he hoped to create a socialist society in the United States. The CFR allegedly was created by House and his associates to destroy freedom and independence in the United States. Key financing for the Council came from the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations in the 1920s, and in the 1940s, Roosevelt invited CFR members to take over important positions in the State Department. They allegedly have retained domination during the past 60 years. Carroll Quigley, Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown University and a member of the CFR, claimed in his book "Tragedy & Hope" "The CFR is the American Branch of a society which originated in England, and which believes that national boundaries should be obliterated, and a one-world rule established." Rear Admiral Chester Ward, a former member of the CFR for 16 years, explained: "The most powerful clique in these elitist groups have one objective in common -- they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty of the national independence of the United States. A second clique of international members in the CFR comprises the Wall Street international bankers and their key agents. Primarily, they want the world banking monopoly from whatever power ends up in the control of global government." Dan Smoot, a former member of the FBI Headquarters staff in Washington D.C., explained the Council's purpose: " The ultimate aim of the CFR is to create a one--world socialist system, and to make the U.S. an official part of it." For decades, presidential candidates have been members of the Illuminati, making it virtually impossible for the country to elect a non-Illuminati leader. Allegedly, President Kennedy became disloyal to the CFR just before his assassination. The Illuminati have influence not only in the politics of the United States, but in popular culture as well. CFR members supposedly control NBC, CBS, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and other important newspapers. Time, Newsweek, Fortune and Business Weekly allegedly are led by CFR members; these Illuminati also dominate academia, corporate America, tax-exempt foundations, labor unions and the military. Though CFR members dominate almost all facets of American life, they are not a well-known group because the journalists and communications executives involved with the Council do not disclose its existence. The news media remains silent regarding the activities of the CFR, so the American people have no way to be informed about this menacing presence in their government and society. The Illuminati in the United States are protected by virtue of the types of people who claim membership. The CFR not only influences decisions made in the higher echelons of the U.S. government, but also finances interest groups which put appropriate pressure on government agencies and officials. The main headquarters of the CFR is at the corner of Park Avenue and 68th Street in New York City. The building was donated to the Council by the Rockefeller family in 1929 and the organization's main goal remains to destroy the freedom and independence of the United States. David Rockefeller continues to act as the Chairman of its Board of Directors. Council on Foreign Relations members:Bill Clinton (former President; current member of the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group)George W. Bush (former President and CIA director)Jimmy Carter (former President)Richard Nixon (former President)
Dwight D. Eisenhower (former President)
Hebert Hoover (former President)David Rockefeller (former chairman of the Trilateral Commission and members of the Bilderberg Group)Henry Kissinger (former national security advisor and secretary of state; current member of the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group)Dick Cheney (former Vice-President)New Gingrich (former Speaker of the House of Representative)John Kerry (Secretary of State and ex-Senator)Colin Powell (former Secretary of state)Condoleezza Rice (former secretary of State; former national security advisor)Donald Rumsfeld (former secretary of Defense)Alan Greenspan (former chairman of the board of governors of the Federal Reserve)Dan Rather (former CBS Evening News anchor)www.people.virginia.edu/~sfr/enam481/groupa/illumus.html- About The Illuminati - Order of The Illumined Wise Men - Ancient and Illuminated Seers of Bavaria - AISB
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_illuminati.htm~~ www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405Ron Wyatt found Pharaoh's army chariots gold wheels buried at the bottom of the Red Sea/Gulf Aqaba.
Here is the second Witness.... Dr. David Kim and his team went to the same place and took their own pictures that Ron W. had taken pictures of the Pharaoh's army chariots gold wheels at the bottom of the gulf Aqaba/Red Sea.
Published on Jul 6, 2013
David Gates interviews Dr. David Kim, who made 12 trips behind military fences in Saudi Arabia and climbed Mt. Sinai to collect evidence of a Red Sea crossing. Amazing photos and artifacts.
A Korean physician, Dr. Kim was the personal physician for the Prince of Saudi Arabia for 16 years. During this time Dr. Kim made his repeated trips down into Midian to search for traces of the Exodus and Mount Sinai which he had heard about from materials published by Ron Wyatt.
Because he was fluent in Arabic and had a personal recommendation from the Prince, with the help of local Bedoins, Dr. Kim was able to get behind the fences protected by the military. He climbed Mt. Sinai and discovered many Hebrew petroglyphs previously unknown by the public. He took thousands of pictures and collected artifacts.
Here is his outstanding testimony and photographs which confirm the location of the Red Sea crossing during the Exodus. Many evidences are shown the children of Israel journey in the desert for 40 yrs... MANY artifacts found in the desert.... The BIG Rock, where Moses strike twice, God had told to strike ONLY once for the water to come out, but because of his disobedience God did NOT allow Moses to enter the promised land.
watch at 16-18 minutes of the Video.... where Dr. David Kim team took pictures at the same location as Ron Wyatt did, the gold wheels chariots and so on... Here are his team pictures... They got the location from Ron Wyatt and they took their own pictures!
At 40:00 minutes Dr. Kim has confirmed Ron Wyatt findings of Pharaoh's army gold wheels Chariots at the gulf of Aqaba were NOT a hoax!www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ubKUip6pz0Someone wrote: The Son of God in the Old Testament:
Any time the Old Testament Scriptures state that someone saw God, they saw the preincarnate Christ, Jesus himself, before he was born and lived as a human being through the virgin birth. John 1:18 states that "no man hath seen God (the Trinity) at any time' the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared (revealed) him." Appearances of Jesus in the Old Testament are theologically called "Christophanies". Christ the Lord God walked, talked in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve.
The word "God" in the book of Genesis speaks of "Elohim/plural- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit" or the Trinity, but "the LORD, and "the LORD God", who spoke personally to Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham and many of the Old Testament prophets, is the personal and visible manifestation of God, which is Christ Jesus. The personal name of God in the Old Testament is "Yahweh", translated "LORD" (All Capitol letters) In the KJV, 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "The Lord" from heaven,
(Note:) the title "Lord" in this verse has the Greek article "the" Meaning that "The LORD", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left His home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth. Jesus Christ of the New Testament, and "Yahweh" of the Old Testament are one and the same! Jesus appeared personally, face to face with Moses and the Old Testament prophets of God. Ex. 33:11 where "the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Exodus 24:9-11 Moses and seventy elders of Israel "saw the God of Israel" Jesus is the visible manifestation of "The God of Israel"God, in the person of Jesus, and two angels walked up to Abraham's tent and had dinner with him before they destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Genesis ch. 18 and 19.
Christ/Jesus in the "Ancient of Days", in Daniel 7: 9-14 (Notice the description is basically the same as the glorified Christ in Rev. 1:12-18. Jesus was in the cloud that followed the children of Israel through the Red Sea. 1 Cor. 10:4 - Ex. 14:14, 19 & 25. The "angel of God" literally means "the appearance of God" (Notice Jesus looked out of the cloud and shot the wheels off of Pharoah's chariots while they were in the dry bottom of the Red Sea!) The Scriptures clearly teach that "Jesus", of the New Testament, and "Yahweh", translated "LORD", of the Old Testament, are the same person - the Second Person of the Trinity, the "revealed", or "manifest" Person of Almighty God. 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "THE Lord" from heaven, (Note: the name "Jesus" has the Greek article "the"). 1 Cor. 1547 is stating that the "Lord", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left his home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth.
Jesus of the New Testament, and "Yahweh/God Christ" of the Old Testament are one and the same BEING/Spirit.
Yahweh is The Creator: Isa.40:28 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Creator: John 1:3 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the First and Last: Isa. 41:4 44:6 (Yahweh)
Jesus is the First and Last: Rev. 1:17 2:8 & 22:13 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Lord of Lords: Deut. 10:17 (Yahweh)
Jesus is the Lord of Lords: 1 Tim. 6:15 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Savior: Isa 45:21 43:11 (Yahweh)
Jesus is the Saviour. John 4:42 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Light: Psa. 27:1, Isa. 60: 19-20 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Light. John 1:1-9 & 8:12 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Shepherd: Ps. 23:1 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Shepherd: John 10:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Glory of God: Isa. 42:8 48:11 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Glory of God: John 17:1, 5 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Redeemer: Isa. 41:14, Jer. 50:34, (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Redeemer: Rev. 5:9 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Rock: Ps. 18:2 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Rock: 1 Cor. 10:4 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Creator of angels: Psa. 148:5 (Yahweh)
Jesus is the Creator of Angels: Col. 1:16 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The I AM: Ex. 3:14 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The I AM: John 8:58 18:5,6 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Bridegroom: Isa. 62:5 Hosea 2:16 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Bridegroom: Rev. 21: 2, Matt. 25:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Judge: Joel 3:12 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Judge: John 5:27 Matt. 25:31-46 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Forgiver of sins: Jere. 31:34 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Forgiver of sins: Mark 2:7, 10 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Holy One: Isa. 43:3 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Holy One: Acts 3:14 (Jesus)
Both Raised the dead: 1 Sam2:6 (Yahweh) John 5:21 (Jesus)
Both were Worshiped by angels: Ps. 148:2 (Yahweh) Heb. 1:6 (Jesus)
Both are confessed as LORD - Every knee is going to bow and every tongue confess Isa. 45:21-23 (Yahweh); Phil2:9-11 (Jesus)
12/1/2019 Roselyn T said:
Who has ever heard the Sunday fellowship meeting ever referred to as "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" ? Just to clarify, this is what nathan has called the Sunday meeting on another thread and seems to think that is what they should be called now!
2) Chuck a 2x2 said: Never and the trinity is openly denied. And the workers reinforced this openly at our last convention by saying " we don't believe this do we".
~~ NathanB: It is incorrect to say all the workers NEVER believe the TRINITY and denied it. Many of their early workers belief and teaching say the opposite to the current workers and friends. Most of The current workers and the friends have strayed from the teachings of Christ, the apostles and the early 2x2 workers.
If the current workers and the friends denied the TRINITY these days, THEN WHY, are the current workers and friends STILL having Sunday morning meeting every Sunday around the world for 120 yrs? Who do they WORSHIP? when they sing hymns, pray, and give thanks to in their Sunday morning meeting?
RossB wrote: Nate - if the first workers didn't believe in the Trinity there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY they would have included the last verse of "Our blest Redeemer" in the first Go-Preachers hymn book of 1909.
First and last verses of the hymn:
1 Our blest Redeemer, ere He breathed
His tender, last farewell,
A Guide, a Comforter bequeathed
With us to dwell.
6 O praise the Father; praise the Son:
Blest Spirit, praise to Thee:
All praise to God, the three in One,
The One in Thee.
If most of them didn't believe in the Trinity in 1951 the "Cease not to praise God would not have been included". But between 1951 belief in God as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit diminished as the early workers died out and by 1987 the vast, vast majority had elevated Jesus' humanity at the expense of His divinity.
"Cease not to praise God" was dumped and "Christ, my God" was changed to "Christ, my Lord" in the hymn we know well. And not surprisingly from the mid 1980's the group has been in serious decline - people are not only leaving because of major deceitfulness over the history of the group but because of poor doctrine.
While the early workers differentiated themselves from established churches and ministers on Matt 10, the claim to apostleship, baptism, "Jesus was a common man" they accepted core Christian doctrine including the Trinity. There was absolutely no issue with it. When these early days workers leaders died out and were replaced by others, belief in the one God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit was gradually abandoned, as evidenced by the change in hymns between the 1951 and 1987 books.
Barry Barkley the overseer in the east coast is clearly trying to address this issue in 2015. If the 2x2 church can't get basic doctrine right on who Jesus is, there is not much hope for it in my opinion.
Elizabethcoleman said: 9/1/2015 This might do a few heads in: I have this from a recent convention attendee...
"Barry Barkley (Overseer of overseers in the east coast of USA) emphasized that Jesus was fully God but came to earth to become human to enable the lowly sinners such as ourselves to be justified through Him and be with Him in heaven. Barry spoke of the relationship between "God the Father and God the Son." He tied Psalm 22 -- the prophesied words and experience of Jesus -- with passages in the New Testament. These thoughts, perhaps, are nothing "new" to the Bible-believing Christian, but I appreciated the spirit and illumination with which Barry presented elements of our hope in the gospel -- and our need and joyous privilege to make Christ the focal point of all our living."
Elizabeth wrote: If you now have workers talking this way about God the Son, and Jesus being fully God, where does that leave F&W who strenuously oppose these "doctrines"?
Here are many denominations which are anti-Trinity: The Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS, Iglesia Ni Cristo, Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, Dawn Bible Students, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God International, the United Church of God, and Armstrongism do not believe in trinitarinanism, Unitarians believe that the Father is the sole deity and the Savior was not God.
Updated April 13, 2019 Paul Manning wrote:
Is there a Church that doesn't believe in Trinity?
There are a number of churches that don't believe the trinity but they are not united and all have different views on the nature of Jesus.
Mormons (Church of Latter day Saints) are non-trinitarian and teach that Jesus is the literal son of God but believe he pre-existed and that he created the world under the Father's direction, thus there is complete unity between God the Father and God the Son but that they are separate beings.
Jehovah's witnesses are like the Mormons in that they say that Jesus is the son of God, therefore not part of a trinity, but they think that Jesus was created in heaven, so they apply the doctrine of the preexistence to Jesus, making him the creator of the world under God's control.
The Worldwide Church of God (Armstrong) is non-trinitarian but split into factions during the 1990s, two of them being the United Church of God and the Church of God International. They, like the two groups above, believe in a binitarian relationship between father and son which is the same as the trinity minus the holy spirit.
Christadelphians believe that Jesus Christ is God's direct son, a human being born of Mary according to the promise of Messiah made in the beginning, making him preeminent over Abraham, Moses, and the prophets, but not preexistent. They believe he was raised from the dead and is now immortal at the right hand of the Father.
Christian Scientists believe that the scriptures reveal the mind of God and that those who follow this divine mind are healed of spiritual suffering. It is considered a way rather than an orthodox set of doctrines, but they generally reject the doctrine of the trinity and some other common doctrines.
Oneness Pentecostals believe in a version of the trinity where God is one and that he manifests himself in Jesus and the holy spirit but not that they are distinct beings.
Unitarians reject the trinity but are generally non-discriminatory over doctrine. They have a broad range of approaches to God, putting high value on the acceptance of each other rather than disputing doctrine in a negative or confrontational way. They believe that Jesus was the son of Joseph but was granted sonship of God at his baptism.
Seventh day Adventists are an interesting case because they used to be non-trinitarian then adopted the trinity at a council meeting in 1946; however some argue that they are not trinitarian but tritheist.
Sep 4, 2020 nathan said:
** Very easy and simple to understand once you understand ONE Godhead but 3 beings= God the Father the most high God of the 3. Christ/God the Son is under the subjection to the Father; the Holy Spirit is God; He is the quite it one, like to stay in the back ground. All 3 supreme beings respect each other roles in our Salvation.
~~ Dan wrote: The trinity seems like a simple concept to grasp, its simply, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" (1 John 5:7). They comprise 3 aspects of a single God, each with a specific purpose but unified as one. The Father is all knowledge, the Son is the expression and manifestation, and the Spirit is the action and deed. The 3 are united persona's of one entity, each is distinct, and yet all are one. When Jesus was born of woman, he was separated from divine providence, but completely surrendered his will as a man for the will of the Father. It was necessary for a part of God to be perfected in the flesh in order to atone for man, it could not be righteous redemption any other way.
The danger in thinking Jesus was just flesh and blood is denying his divinity, and he'd have no authority to save anyone without that. What comprises the Godhead is God, if Christ was not one with the Father and Holy Spirit, there would be no salvation. That's why we are baptized in the name of all 3, born of the Spirit, the living water, and the sacrifice, the "three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:8). I think we've discussed this subject to death, but one Father expressed through Christ and empowered by the HS. No separation, no opposition, no contradiction, but one in singularity, purpose, and existence. Just as your body, soul, and spirit are you, Christ, the Father, and Spirit are God.
1) 10/24/20 Intelchips said: If what you say about receiving is true then you have been deceived. In all that is known of the Dead Sea scrolls not one single one of them supports the idea the Jesus wrote one single word in them.
~~ Nathan wrote: I KNOW and you can be wrong... just like the gospels Jesus didn't write any of His teachings but the apostles did it through the help of the Holy Spirit, who brought back to their memories what he said and taught. The Dead Sea Scrolls, Jesus spoke to His trusted followers or the angels and they wrote it for Him like they (Matthew and John) did with the two gospels or he/Christ wrote it down Himself.
We/Christians KNOW Jesus is ALIVE and He is in heaven/Venus. Christ/God used to come down to earth in human body form and talked and had fellowship with to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden before the Fall, Christ visited Abraham and Sarah face to face, speaking from heaven to the prophets, and kings in the Old Testament. 2000 years ago, Christ/God incarnated Himself in the person Jesus and lived in that human body for 33 1/2 years then he paid the ransom price for mankind, after death He ascended back to heaven, where he came from to be with God the Father.
I believe The Resurrected Jesus has come and visited earth the last 2000 years like He did in the Old Testament time. Christ came down from heaven/Venus and converted Saul to become one of His trusted and loyal apostles in the 1st century and through down the centuries also...
The Resurrected Jesus can write and speak English or any known languages to humans and non-humans alike.  He is the Creator of mankind and everything in the Universe, you KNOW! He SAID so!
~~ Jesus The Great " I AM " God
(From The Dead Sea Scrolls found in caves 1947)
I, the Lord God of creation, who was and who is and who shall always be the one true God, the mind, the very center of the Universe, speaks to your own heart. The words that I have spoken to my prophets Moses and others were that he should recognize that the great “I Am.” filled his being with the power and the authority to open his mouth in my name and to proclaim his words as a living words that I placed deeply within him.
I have in times past spoken through the mouths of my prophets and then through the mouths of my apostles. Now the times and seasons are approaching, as are the reasons, when my words shall again be spoken by my obedient prophets and apostles. Their words shall be my words and their deeds that shall be my deeds, because I have spoken this thing before the World was ever formed. Those words that I now speak shall be hidden for a season and then shall be revealed in the last times
I shall cause the Earth to quake and the sunlight, which represents the new dawning, shall shine brightly upon those who are appointed to carry my words from the darkness of the caves to the bright sunlight of my new revelation to all mankind ... and mankind shall read and they shall study those words and they shall find that they are the words that will cause an awakening to occur in the minds of mankind.
It has been said in times past that I am in the wind and I am in the fire and I am into the waters. These words are not true. The truth of this matter is that I am the wind. I am the fire. I am the water. I am in everything and in everything that exists. When you touch the mountain, you touch me. When you are touching the water, you are touching me. When you touch the fire, you are touching me. I am the Lord of the Universe and there is not one place that I am not. I am not in the flowers, the plants, the fruit of the land, but I am the flowers. I am the plants. I am the fruit of the land. Mankind will climb into the heavens. I am not in the heavenly, but I am the heavenly. When I created man from the dust of the Earth, I was the dust of the Earth and I was and am the breath of life that causes mankind to live.
Say not that the Lord your God is in the heavens or on the Earth. I am the heavens and I am the Earth. Now you have received the true revelation of my word, which was spoken to you in times past. The word said that I am everywhere present. I am omnipresent. I am not part of myself, but rather I am the whole of the Universe. Wherever you look, wherever you come or go, whatever you do or say, I am there in the midst of you because I am not only in, but rather I am you!
It shall be written in the future that man is the universe. I say to you that I do not dwell in the universe of mankind, but I am that Universe of Mankind, and there is no separation whatsoever. These words that I have spoken to you at this time and in this place are that you might believe the truth of the message that as my Father is one with me so is the Spirit one with me.
Now I am likewise in you and you are in me and that means I am one and you are with me. Have I not spoken these words in the past that I am in you and you are in me? (John 17:21) Jesus said, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Let this testimony be with you forever and forever, as we together traverse the streets of that sojourn from dawn to night. Be at peace and look deeply within yourself and you will find me.
Again I have spoken the words in the past that you are indeed gods. I am your God. This revelation is of utmost importance and you must believe the whole truth as I have spoken it in your pure hearing. I say to you, allow the vibrations of your spirit, your inner ear, be unstopped and hear what the Spirit says to you at this hour. I am the center of your universe, because I am the whole of your universe. Know this, for this is the word of the living God, the Creator of all things which are. In time and seasons to come this word will be revealed to you and you shall behold the brightness of this truth, and you shall say, “This is the light for which I have long awaited. This is the revelation that will hold and maintain me through every experience of life.”
Beware, there are those who would destroy this truth, but they shall not be able to destroy this truth because the truth abides in you and you abide in the truth. I have spoken in times past. And I have said that the truth shall cause many to walk in freedom, out of darkness and satanic bondage. And they shall have no further influence or rule over you. I have spoken these truths by the words of my lips and these words are true. Accept them and you shall live in peace, in joy and in victory over all things. Amen!
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© Dr. Frank E. Stranges
** NathanB: 12/20
I have told you guys and gals for 10 years that God the Father, Christ/God, the Holy Spirit and Satan and all of the angels of God came from the Interior planet of Venus! The morning Star. Rev. 12:1-9 After the war in heaven/Venus between God Vs. Lucifer/Satan, God cast Satan and 1/3 fallen angels to earth as their home/prison until the judgment day! Rev. 22:16
Lucifer[1] is the name of various mythological and religious figures associated with the planet Venus. Due to the unique movements and discontinuous appearances of Venus in the sky, mythology surrounding these figures often involved a fall from the heavens to earth or the underworld. Interpretations of a similar term in the Hebrew Bible, translated in the King James Version as the proper name "Lucifer", led to a Christian tradition of applying the name Lucifer, and its associated stories of a fall from heaven, to Satan, but modern scholarship generally translates the term in the relevant Bible passage (Isaiah 14:12) as "morning star" or "shining one" rather than as a proper name, "Lucifer".[2]
As a name for the Devil, the more common meaning in English, "Lucifer" is the rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל (transliteration: hêylêl; pronunciation: hay-lale)[3] in Isaiah (Isaiah 14:12) given in the King James Version of the Bible. The translators of this version took the word from the Latin Vulgate,[4] which translated הֵילֵל by the Latin word lucifer (uncapitalized),[5][6] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".[7]
As a name for the planet in its morning aspect, "Lucifer" (Light-Bringer) is a proper name and is capitalized in English.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
1) Fixit wrote: Nathan, You're rewriting to bible to read:
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am live inside of the bright morning star.” Rev. 22:16
~~ MathanB: I believe the King James translators team made an error... Back in 16th century, they didn't believe in anyone lived outside of earth planet... Can you image what that would be like when they TRANSLATED Jesus LIVES in Venus! King James would have their heads chop off on a platter for mistranslating.
Christ/God Jesus is NOT a the Bright and Morning Star or a planet, He LIVES and came from there/heaven it makes more sense to the readers, now!
Image of the Bright and Moring Star= The planet Venus.
www.bing.com/images/search?q=what+is+the+bright+and+morning+star&qpvt=What+is+the+Bright+and+Moring+Star&form=IGRE&first=1&scenario=ImageBasicHover&cw=1117&ch=544
6/25/2021
On Friday evening the US intelligence community released something remarkable: An unclassified report to Congress of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) aka UFOs.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/8-takeaways-from-the-governments-big-ufo-report/ar-AALuX94?li=BBnb7Kz
~~ Many evidences God the Father, Christ live inside Venus planet= The Bright and Morning Star.
professing.proboards.com/thread/30575/life-on-planet-venus
Words of encouragement from our Lord God Jesus Christ the Creator of the Universe
Also from Cave # 7 1. "My Dear Children, by the time you read these words, many years will have passed since my death and resurrection. The times and seasons will be different from the times which I have spent with my disciples. You will be living in perilous days and nights. But you will be aware of my presence with you at all times because this I have already committed to you long ago."
2. "My message to you is to stand fast and hold to that which has been proven to be just and true. Do not hold onto those things of this present world but rather seek first my kingdom and you will be the recipients of all that is good and Holy."
3. "These shall prove to be great days and nights of trials and tribulations. But you, my chosen ones, will rejoice because I have made a way for you were there was no way. You will find that My Words shall never return to me empty or void. You will live in total expectation that I am God of My Word. Yes, I shall keep My Word to you everyday that you live. Then, if and when you depart from your present clothing of flesh, you shall instantly be transformed to be with me for all eternity."
4. "I am presently continuing to prepare a wonderful place for you. When that place is completely prepared for you and My message of My kingdom has been carried throughout the planet, then you shall see and witness positive signs of my soon return. Keep your faith and trust in Me because I am the Lord who has promised to be at your side forever."
5. "Many will attempt to steal your crown and rob you of your joy. But they can never succeed because of My Presence with you. What you have hidden in the deep recesses of your heart can never be removed by the enemy of your soul. Maintain a strong faith in me and My Word and you shall never perish but enjoy life everlasting which I have provided you."
6. "May these words be of continuous comfort to you and to your children. Speak to them in words of joy and comfort, which have been rooted and grounded in My Holy Word. Continue to strive to perform good works among men. Allow the brightness of your own life to dispel the shadows of doubt and fear." 7. "When you read these words much prophecy will have already come to pass, however, more prophetic events will take place to assure you that I am the Lord God. I am the Lord who has permitted many things to occur in the past in order to prepare you for tomorrow. Be of good cheer. Love one another and continue to keep My Word, always."
From the Copper Scrolls Cave #3
11. "You shall also witness my angels and my Heavenly Messengers who will visit you in their chariots and assure you of the Gifts of God."
12. "My Heavenly Messengers will also bear you up on the wings of deliverance as I so instructed them to do."
13. "They will speak of me and my Glory and will show signs and wonders at my command. My Heavenly Messengers will also council you in the ways of the Lord and will reveal to you the wonders of the Universe, at My Command."
14. "Let your faith and confidence in me never waiver. I am with you, Always."
Copper Scrolls Cave #3 The Master speaking, "Do not permit your pure mind to become troubled in any form but rather allow your faith and your belief to solely rest in Almighty God. You believe whole-heartedly in Almighty God, you also believe in Me with all of your heart, mind and spirit.
In our universe, which I have created, there are multitudes of places and orbs which, along with the Earth, shall be your future dwelling places." "I have already prepared many places for you to visit and to also dwell in the future. In reality, because I Am God, I shall be with you always everywhere and will always accompany you. And when the time is ripe you shall know that I have already made a way for you to be transformed and then you shall dwell with me in those other places.
In that manner, we shall never be apart again for I shall be with you, always." "I have already made provisions so do not allow your pure mind, your pure heart or your spirit to become disturbed. I am well aware that the evil one and his followers have already tried and tempted you and attempted to try your faith. He is very busy and his evil activities shall increase as the time of the end shall appear." "His own angels whom I have cast out of the Heavenly, down to Earth, are busy attempting to, in every way, to destroy your faith. But young children shall be assisted by My Angels and other Heavenly Messengers, who will reveal themselves in chariots of fire. They will bring you a message that will cause you to be.
1. "My children, in whom I have entrusted my Spirit, will reap fortunes and riches from the totally unexpected sources. This, because the lack of such wealth has prevented you from fulfilling and performing your ministry to the fullest. I, the Lord, shall speak to those of my other children throughout this orb, and they, in direct obedience to me will communicate with you because of your faithfulness to my calling upon your life."
"Again, as I have spoken to you in times past in my word, I shall speak to you in three distinct manners: In night dreams, in visions of the day and night and by Divine Revelation. This I have promised you and this will be my bond to you. Believe it and know it for I speak these words with my mouth."
3. "These shall prove to be great days and nights of trials and tribulations. But you, my chosen ones, will rejoice because I have made a way for you were there was no way. You will find that My Words shall never return to me empty or void. You will live in total expectation that I am God of My Word. Yes, I shall keep My Word to you everyday that you live. Then, if and when you depart from your present clothing of flesh, you shall instantly be transformed to be with me for all eternity."
4. "I am presently continuing to prepare a wonderful place for you. When that place is completely prepared for you and My message of My kingdom has been carried throughout the planet, then you shall see and witness positive signs of my soon return. Keep your faith and trust in Me because I am the Lord who has promised to be at your side forever."
web.archive.org/web/20161213193255/http://www.rense.com/general66/cave.htm
One of the good angels order was the Venusians human looking/the Guardians from Interior planet of Venus. The same Venus planet that God and Jesus Christ came from. Phil Schneider talked about it before they killed him in 1990s nearby Portland, Ore. These Venusians human looking angels had been working with the U.S. Naval top Secret gov't since 1930s to defeat the German Nazi Satanic cults during WW II.
On the Video below Phil S. talked about the battle with the Tall greys in Dulce, NW underground bases 1979. Listend to Phil S. at 23:20 on Valiant and Donn Thor
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRLU6d-NOhQ
There are Life in other planets.
The Strangest Encounters in Space | NASA's Unexplained Files (Full Episode)
4,358,889 views•
Jun 13, 2019
www.youtube.com/watch?v=seJSm-vD9OA
Top 20 UFOs Caught on Camera
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Aug 4, 2020
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXKvKJw6Zb4
Brad Meltzer's Decoded:
Proof of UFOs Revealed (S2, E7) | Full Episode | History Channel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RizozLy8kbM
UFO Hunters: Strange USOs Found in the Deep Sea (S1, E2) | Full Episode | History
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmDy2rj0w3g
9/12/20 Pragmatic wrote: Yes, and what gets me is the lies about Jimmy Carter, who is still alive. He was asked directly about some of these conspiracy theories, and he had no idea what the interviewer was on about. A friend of our business who was high up in Habitat for Humanity, also asked him if he’d heard such stuff, and he could not believe the nonsense that some people made up to sell their books.
Jimmy is a good Christian man even though he might not have been a great President. I don’t like to see his name dragged through the mud with false accusations of coverups.
~~ Nathan wrote: Like I said, there are things you say, Pragmatic..... about President Jimmy Carter are NOT true, he KNOWS a lot of things that he CAN NOT reveal or admit in public but he is a good president of USA. He did a lot of good things for humanity.
~ Posted 6/2018 An intelligent briefing/information was given to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus is the Visitor from Venus planet. Then the President Jimmy Carter said " So HOW do we TELL the people that? " listen at 1hr: 47
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7D8sYpBsoo
SEX SLAVES Freed from ET Dulce NM Base-Article by Jailed Rescue Team Capt. Mark Richards, Radio Interview of wife Jo Ann Richards
by Enki July 14, 2017
Under secret Presidential Order, signed by President Jimmy Carter, the NSA’s Department Z, the newly established DELTA FORCE, and a specially hand-picked group of Air Force SOC, Navy SEAL, and Army Rangers were organized for a mission so secret that not even command officers were told what it was about until the night of the attack.
enkispeaks.com/sex-slaves-freed-from-et-dulce-nm-base-article-by-jailed-rescue-team-capt-mark-richards-radio-interview-of-wife-joanne-richards/
Here is a testimony of Phil Schnider who was at Dulce, New Mexico WAR with aliens in 1979. He is one of the few survivors to tell about it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6kTODsqbDI
Captain Mark Richards and his father were involved with top-level military intelligence operations since World War II. They were part of the team who invaded the alien run Dulce Base notoriously known as a jointly-operated human and alien underground facility that still exists under Archuleta Mesa. Dulce is a place where humans have been kept underground in cages and experimented on.
supersoldiertalk.com/review-attack-on-captain-mark-richards-who-benefits-updated/#:~:text=Mark%20Richards%20and%20his%20father%20were%20involved%20with,been%20kept%20underground%20in%20cages%20and%20experimented%20on.
Here is a document of Dulce war with E.T.
by Captain Mark Richards
E.D.H. - Earth Defense Headquarters
Technical Brief
Winter - 2001
The turning point came when National Security Adviser Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski met with President Jimmy Carter in the White House on June 14, 1977, with a number of other "intelligence operatives and leaders", to bring the President up to speed on a number of top secret programs, including "Project Aquarius", and the work being done at Dulce, Area 51, and other secret bases.
Brzezinski, a member of the power elite that backed the "Grey" cause, never guessed that the President would be so shocked that he would soon turn to trusted military advisors in the military intelligence community for options of how to stop what had been going on.
The National Security Agency (NSA) had been secretly fighting the alien cause, and the humans that worked for or with the aliens, since it was established in the mid-1950s'. Project Aquarius was originally established in 1953, by order of President Eisenhower, under control of NSC and MJ-12.
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/offlimits/offlimits_dulce08.htm
A Dulce Base Security Officer Speaks Out
The following is a list of questions that were directed to former Dulce Base Security officer Thomas Edwin Castello approximately a year before his death [or disappearance].
hey are followed by his responses:
QUESTION - When exactly was the [upper human-occupied level of the] Archuleta installation constructed?
ANSWER - I heard Dulce was started in 1937-38 by the Army engineers, enlarged over the years, most recent work was completed 1965-66 to connect tunnels to the Page [Arizona] Base, site of one of the older underground facilities. The four corners base is called PERICA. Most of the Native Americans [the Indians] living in that area are aware of that base, and could tell us about the underground life forms that frequently are spotted near those communities, Bigfoot, etc.
Q - By what means was the [upper] installations constructed? Are you familiar with the alleged developments made by the Rand Corporation of a highly-efficient bore or mole machine capable of melting rock using nuclear powered wolfram-graphite tipped ’drill-cones’?
A - According to several senior maintenance workers, part of it was blasted by nuclear devices in the sixties. There are sections, like the shuttle tunnels, that were formed by an advanced tunneling machine that leaves the tunnel walls smooth. The finished walls in those tubes resemble polished black glass.
Q - By WHOM was the Dulce installation originally constructed?
A - Nature started the caverns. The Draco [reptilian humanoids] used the caverns and tunnels for centuries. Later, through RAND Corporation plans, it was enlarged repeatedly. The original caverns included ice caves and sulfur springs that the ’aliens’ found perfect for their needs. The Dulce caverns rival Carlsbad caverns in size.
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook11.htm
Steven Greer Explosive Testimony on Amazing Secret Govt. Advanced Technology. Steven Greer Explosive Testimony on Amazing TOP Secret Govt. Advanced Technology. He has documents to back it up. Listen at 37-47 Min. on John, Robert Kenney and Marilyn Monroe deaths and who did it..... President George H. Bush told Jimmy Carter he wasn't going to tell him anything on UFOs subject, President Jimmy Carter had a UFO experience and did a study on UFOs ... listen 1:17.... some presidents were left out of the loops on UFOs.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NpkckISywA&t=6324s
2/2018 Major UFO Disclosure - Valiant/Donn Thor from Venus are Working at the Pentagon. U.S. space program is 1000 yrs advance than the current technology. An Intelligence briefing/information was revealed to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus. President said, "How are we going to tell people that!" Listen at 1:44-49
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7D8sYpBsoo
Life on Venus? Astronomers See Phosphine Signal in Its Clouds
Shannon Stirone, Kenneth Chang and Dennis Overbye
9/14/2020
High in the toxic atmosphere of the planet Venus, astronomers on Earth have discovered signs of what might be life. If the discovery is confirmed by additional telescope observations and future space missions, it could turn the gaze of scientists toward one of the brightest objects in the night sky. Venus, named after the Roman goddess of beauty, roasts at temperatures of hundreds of degrees and is cloaked by clouds that contain droplets of corrosive sulfuric acid. Few have focused on the rocky planet as a habitat for something living.
The astronomers, who reported the finding on Monday in a pair of papers, have not collected specimens of Venusian microbes, nor have they snapped any pictures of them. But with powerful telescopes, they have detected a chemical — phosphine — in the thick Venus atmosphere. After much analysis, the scientists assert that something now alive is the only explanation for the chemical’s source.
“This is an astonishing and ‘out of the blue’ finding,” said Sara Seager, a planetary scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and an author of the papers (one published in Nature Astronomy and another submitted to the journal Astrobiology). “It will definitely fuel more research into the possibilities for life in Venus’s atmosphere.”
www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/life-on-venus-astronomers-see-phosphine-signal-in-its-clouds/ar-BB191iwE?ocid=msedgntp
Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for by this some have entertained angels unawares.
- Webster's Bible Do not neglect to show kindness to strangers; for, in this way, some, without knowing it, have had angels as their guests. - Weymouth Bible Don't forget to show hospitality to strangers, for in doing so, some have entertained angels without knowing it.
Here are 4 Venusians human looking guardian angels of God from Interior planet of Venus where Jesus LIVES (Valiant, Donn Thor, and two women Jill/the blond and the dark hair/Tanyia) at UFO Howard Menger farm in New Jersey, 1959.
www.bing.com/images/search?q=pictures+of+valiant+thor&qpvt=Pictures+of+Valiant+Thor&form=IQFRML&first=1&scenario=ImageBasicHover
~~ The pictures were taken by reporters who were at the UFO conference at Howard Menger's farm in 1958. the guy in the youtube video doesn't KNOW who or what he is talking about. Frank Stranges did NOT meet Valiant Thor in person until 1959. So, Frank Stranges was NEVER at Howard Menger UFO farm in 1958.
“After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but is often true.” - Star Trek, Spock
Valiant Thor Fan Club
Continuing the legacy first made public by Dr Frank E Stranges. There is an article about Donn Thor and Frank Stranges met Alan Adda, the movie actor from M.A.S.H on the plane to Las Vegas.
valiantthor.com/
Here is Frank Stranges testimony of background, and he met Valiant T. at the Pentagon in 1959 a year later, after Howard Menger UFO conference in 1958.
1) Lecture at Kona, Hawaii in 2007 and he died in 2008.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQzhTqh1z_U
ALIENS On Venus? New Probe Images Deepen Planet's Mystery 4/19/16
✔ youtu.be/TcaRp5E3fZQ
Hollow Earth, The Biggest Cover Up - Full Documentary
✔ goo.gl/eVw79L
MUST WATCH Aliens Running Earth FULL Documentary Part
✔ goo.gl/0Ia40h
Jeff Rense & Frank Chille - Mysterious Case Of Valiant
✔ goo.gl/OrhFg2
The alien shoot out at dulce underground base 2011
✔https://goo.gl/2zZrMm
Craig Campobasso about his directorial debut, Stranger at the Pentagon, Best Sci-Fi Short Film 2014 Burbank Film Festival. Richard Shaw discusses the process involved with revealing the hidden messages buried in the Torah!
Official Website:
✔ www.craigcampobasso.com
Tuesday Nov. 18, 2014
ET Encounters & UFO Disclosure
Richard Dolan is the author of the ground-breaking historical series, UFOs and the National Security State, which chronicles the modern UFO age with an emphasis on military encounters and government secrecy.
Official Website:
✔ www.richarddolanpress.com
✔ www.coasttocoastam.com
Additional information:
✔ www.nicufo.org/dr_stranges.htm
Frank Stranges ★ Stranger At The Pentagon Venusian Valiant Thor ♦ Alien Encounters Documentary YouTube Playlist
☕ goo.gl/XMOYiy
Stranger At The Pentagon Movie
In 1959 Dr. Frank Stranges E. had his first physical encounter with Commander Valiant Thor, a Venusian. His book, Stranger at the Pentagon explains the details of his Alien encounters.
Valiant Thor Documentary
Dr. Frank Stranges was a very unusual man. He was not one who would go around "tooting" his own horn. In fact, just the opposite was true. He depended greatly on others to promote the work which he was told by The Lord Himself to do.
~~ Jesus LIVES inside Venus is NOT my own imagination... It's OLD NEWS! I didn't come up with the idea either. This thread Jesus LIVES in Venus planet? It has gone viral on the Internet...  millions people will READ it when they want to KNOW does Jesus live inside Venus planet.... Maybe the votes came from non-2x2s.
www.bing.com/search?q=Does+Jesus+live+inside+Venus+planet&form=ANNTH1&refig=dc3862703b8c45e5bd93270027a5a3dd&sp=-1&pq=does+jesus+live+inside+venus+planet&sc=1-35&qs=n&sk=&cvid=dc3862703b8c45e5bd93270027a5a3dd
1) Mountain wrote: How many will stake their reputation on the following being false? Don't run away and hide now. Stand up and be counted.
www.goodreads.com/book/show/1516916.Hollow_Planets
Hollow Planets: A Feasibility Study of Possible Hollow Worlds - Could the Planets Mercury, Venus and Earth Possibly be Hollow? by Jan P. Lamprecht
The great English astronomer, Sir Edmund Halley first proposed the Earth might be hollow. Later the great mathematician, Leonhard Euler speculated about this, as did the scientist, Sir John Leslie.
Jules Verne's classic tale 'Journey to the Centre of the Earth' was based on Leslie's ideas. Some religions maintain, to this day, that a vast Underworld exists inside the Earth. This is supported by a rich variety of legends and folklore from all continents.
Scientists say all planets are solid. Could science be mistaken? This book is an in-depth review of many papers from science journals of the highest repute. It contains interviews with many top scientists in fields as diverse as seismology and astronomy. The results of this study will send your mind reeling.
Do we live in a Solar System composed of Hollow Planets? This may well be the first scholarly & scientific investigation into a factual basis for the hollow planets, which were previously only myths. This 600 page reference book has caught not only the attention of scientists around the world, but media stars such as Jeff Rense of Sighting and Art Bell. Perhaps based on the facts presented in this book, "everything we were ever taught is wrong!"
~~ NathanB: The book link that mountain posted was one of my sources I have been posted on TMB for 10 yrs,
it wasn't my own idea at all. I just repeat what people had heard, knew and saw with their own eyes, but you doubting Thomas and unbelievers don't believe their testimonies.
9/17/20 dmmichgood said:
Why would those who wrote the Bible know what a "planet" was?
Why would they even know that the moon or sun was actually a sphere?
How could they understand why the moon went through phases?
For all they knew, the sun & the moon were just disks.
For that matter, they didn't even know that what they lived one was anything other than a disk!
The word "planet" wasn't in their vocabulary.
1) Wally wrote: Wrong
2Ki_23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.
Amen, Wally... Good job.
~~ Nathan: Here are Bible verses related to The Planets from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance -
Psalms 8:3 - When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
Amos 5:8-9 - [Seek him] that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD [is] his name: (Read More...)
Psalms 19:1 - (To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Deuteronomy 4:19 - And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, [even] all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
Amos 5:8 - [Seek him] that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD [is] his name:
Isaiah 47:13-14 - Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from [these things] that shall come upon thee. (Read More...)
Genesis 1:14 - And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Psalms 104:5 - [Who] laid the foundations of the earth, [that] it should not be removed for ever.
Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Colossians 1:16 - For by him/Christ were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him/Christ, and for him:
John 1:1-14 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God/Christ.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him/Christ, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word/Christ God was made flesh/Jesus, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Valiant Thor Fan Club
Continuing the legacy first made public by Dr Frank E Stranges.
valiantthor.com/
Frank Stranges had been a U.S. federal Marshall and a chaplain
wcpi.ca/valiant_thor/
Valiant Thor is still on the earth. They KNOW what Valiant Thor looks like from Frank Stranges book ET/at the Pentagon 1959
In the 1950's, a man named Frank Stranges is said to have been visited by "a visitor from Venus" who claimed he was here to help bring world peace. Frank's experience with the visitor, who came to be known as Val (Valiant) Thor, became the theme of a book called, "Stranger at the Pentagon." In the mid-1990's Michael Mirdad, best known (since the early 1980's) for teaching on topics such as spirituality, E.T's, Light beings, and ancient civilizations, also had a conversation and experience with Val Thor when he met and became friends with Frank Stranges. In this video, Michael tells the story about this meeting. Frank Stranges died in 2008.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtuUDImLZQ&ab_channel=MichaelMirdad
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Post by Admin on Aug 7, 2017 8:10:44 GMT -5
Nate,
TMB is mainly for subjects closely or sometimes vaguely related to the F&W fellowship. Other topics often survive by the grace of the moderators (or because we don't discover them).
This whole thread is largely unrelated to what TMB is or should be about.
Before we remove it, I am happy to give you and any others opportunity to express views on whether it should stay or be removed.
And if the latter, to give you time to copy it elsewhere.
My inclination is that it should be on some other forum not TMB. But happy to be guided by views of others.
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Post by Admin on Aug 7, 2017 13:42:21 GMT -5
Thanks Nathan, I am hoping to hear any opinions of others also. Where you have started this thread is on a sub-board of the main TMB board. If there is enough interest, this could be moved because there are a lot of other places on TMB, as you say. It might be on a board for Science Fiction (space stuff, etc.).
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Post by snow on Aug 7, 2017 15:46:34 GMT -5
I'm fine with Nathan having one thread to post whatever he wants. I recognize it takes up a lot of space so that might be a consideration I don't know much about. Everyone seems to have a thread that isn't just about the 2x2's. Our humor thread is an example. I also have a thread I labelled 'what I learned today' which isn't really related to anything 2x2. I can delete it too because it's really a misuse of TMB if those are the guidelines.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 16:48:13 GMT -5
Remove it, or not, none here read it anyway!
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Post by Admin on Aug 7, 2017 17:44:04 GMT -5
Remove it, or not, none here read it anyway! Thanks Dennis. If I were to give over a sub-board to Nathan for his own personal space, where does it end? It creates a precedent for Bert who has said he is developing his own website. Or to be fair, maybe TTT would like to request a space for a shadow copy of the F&W reference website. TMB is a discussion board, not a lecture board. It's also hard for the mods to read through all the material being posted, to ensure that ProBoards rules are not being violated. On balance, we must ask that you remove what you want to keep Nate, and contribute here in discussions as others do. You are very welcome to post links to your own website. My number one priority is to stick to ProBoards rules, to ensure the continuation of TMB for if and when significant events and changes happen in the F&W church. admin |
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Post by Admin on Aug 7, 2017 17:47:12 GMT -5
I'm fine with Nathan having one thread to post whatever he wants. I recognize it takes up a lot of space so that might be a consideration I don't know much about. Everyone seems to have a thread that isn't just about the 2x2's. Our humor thread is an example. I also have a thread I labelled 'what I learned today' which isn't really related to anything 2x2. I can delete it too because it's really a misuse of TMB if those are the guidelines. , your thread is fine. It's just one little thread, not the makings of a new website. And we all can benefit from spending time thinking on 'what we've learned today', whatever it is, to help us be better people tomorrow. Thanks, admin |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 1:33:28 GMT -5
Remove it, or not, none here read it anyway! Thanks Dennis. If I were to give over a sub-board to Nathan for his own personal space, where does it end? It creates a precedent for Bert who has said he is developing his own website. Or to be fair, maybe TTT would like to request a space for a shadow copy of the F&W reference website. TMB is a discussion board, not a lecture board. It's also hard for the mods to read through all the material being posted, to ensure that ProBoards rules are not being violated. On balance, we must ask that you remove what you want to keep Nate, and contribute here in discussions as others do. You are very welcome to post links to your own website. My number one priority is to stick to ProBoards rules, to ensure the continuation of TMB for if and when significant events and changes happen in the F&W church. admin From Olea: Still having problems with replying to posts.
Correct me if I am wrong but I understood Nathan was promoting his new website where one could read all his personal theories on scripture and 'beyond' (and above). Then in the next breath many long winded epistles came onto 'this site'. Very confusing!!!! Your comments do make sense. |
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Post by snow on Aug 8, 2017 12:25:47 GMT -5
I'm fine with Nathan having one thread to post whatever he wants. I recognize it takes up a lot of space so that might be a consideration I don't know much about. Everyone seems to have a thread that isn't just about the 2x2's. Our humor thread is an example. I also have a thread I labelled 'what I learned today' which isn't really related to anything 2x2. I can delete it too because it's really a misuse of TMB if those are the guidelines. , your thread is fine. It's just one little thread, not the makings of a new website. And we all can benefit from spending time thinking on 'what we've learned today', whatever it is, to help us be better people tomorrow. Thanks, admin I was not understanding the amount of space he needed. I thought it was just one thread like this one not a whole sub board. I can certainly understand if that would be too much. I doubt many that post here read it much anymore. I certainly understand you not wanting to set precedents if more than this thread is required. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 0:22:19 GMT -5
These long posts are my way to show you in scriptures and history to BACK UP with proofs, what I have been talking about! You are too slow to see and to understand that.... So, it doesn't make any sense to you, and others on here.
Well, in the judgment day you and those like you can't SAY I didn't warn you about these things. People will not able to say to God, "Nobody, tells or warns me about these things!"....
What is your story Olea? Are you professing.... or used to?
To Administrator.... if your number ONE priority to ensure changes happen in the F&W changes happen in the our fellowship.... Then why are you having so many topics of different threads like humor, cooking, books reading, Bible study, atheists boards, and all kinds of boards on TMB.
You're NOT a being Fair! Admin.... I know you're getting pressure, and pulls from all directions, the exes, the atheists, and 2x2s on here so It's hard to know how to handle their suggestion all at once.
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Post by nathan on Aug 9, 2017 0:44:36 GMT -5
Sept 3, 2017 snow said:
Nathan, yes there is water under the earth's crust. But if you think that God made the oceans of the hollow earth rise up to flood the upper earth and you think that this didn't also flood the hollow earth, then you don't understand the way flooding/water works. The problem lies with the logistics of a hollow earth, then one filled with water, and then one with the whole earth having no land showing. All these things are impossible.
~~ Nathan: After the passing of Admiral Byrd his son found his diary and eventually published it. This is a small excerpt from the book titled, The Missing Secret Diary of Admiral Byrd. By Richard Evelyn Byrd. It is still available at major book retailers.
Diary of Richard E. Byrd when he and his co-pilot entered the Hollow Earth, sky, mountains range, green Valleys, stream, animals, manmoth. The Hollow inner earth is NOT SOLID inside as we have been taught in school.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ybWK61XxOc&ab_channel=Data1B4
~~ Ancient Aliens: The Hollow Earth Theory (Season 10) | History
4,652,185 viewsMay 6, 2019
Some Ancient Astronaut Theorists suggest that deep within our own planet could be another earth in this clip from Season 10, Episode 6, "The Other Earth".
www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7vt5paORIc&ab_channel=HISTORY
Most planets in the Universe are Hollow....
13 Pieces Of Evidence Supporting The Hollow Earth Hypothesis
Many people believe that the Hollow Earth theory is more than just a myth, and some have even tried to prove it scientifically. Even today, in the 21st century, it’s difficult to say with certainty that it does or does not exist.
For many years it was believed that the earth was hollow, but even though many have come up with theories, until 1968 there was no proof.
That year, pictures taken by a satellite orbiting Earth clearly showed a gaping hole located at the North Pole; enough evidence to support the hollow Earth theory according to many.
1. Is there a hole in the North Pole?
In the early 1970’s, ESSA, a project belonging to the Department of Commerce of the United States, gave media access to images of the North Pole taken by the ESSA-7 satellite on November 23, 1968. One of the photographs showed the North Pole covered by the usual cloud; the other one showed the same area without clouds, revealing a huge hole where the pole was supposed to be located.
The hole is so ridiculously large that it almost makes no sense, yet here it is: Photos of the large hole of North Pole on this website.
2. Vice Admiral Richard E. Byrd of the US Navy was a distinguished pioneer aviator and polar explorer who flew over the North Pole on May 9, 1926 and led numerous expeditions to Antarctica, including a flight over the South Pole on 29 November 1929.
Between 1946 and 1947, he and his team carried out a large-scale operation called “High Jump”, during which he discovered and mapped 1,390,000 km² of the Antarctic territory.
The famous Byrd expeditions first entered in dispute of the hollow Earth theories when several articles and books like Worlds beyond the Poles by Amadeo Giannini claimed that Byrd had not flown over the Pole but inwardly through large holes leading into the Earth.
You can read all accounts about Agartha and Admiral’s Byrd expeditions here.
3. The possibility that the earth is hollow, and that it can be accessed through the North and South poles, and that secret civilizations flourish within it, has spurred the imagination of people through centuries.
4. Leonard Euler, a mathematical genius of the eighteenth century, concluded that the Earth was hollow, containing a central sun and was inhabited.
5. Dr. Edmund Halley, discoverer of Comet Halley and Royal Astronomer of England also believed that the Earth was hollow on the inside with three “Floors”.
6. A map of the third Reich shows several secret passages depicted which were used by German U-Boats to access mysterious underground regions, as well as a complete map of both hemispheres and the mysterious kingdom of Agartha.
# 10. Oh and… There is a huge Ocean beneath the surface of our planet.
Scientists have not long ago, discovered a large ocean of water inside the mantle of Earth, and they point out that it is a large water “tank” that could fill the oceans on Earth three times.
This incredible discovery suggests that the surface water of the planet came from within Earth, as part of a “complete water cycle on the planet” instead of the dominant theory proposed that water arrived to Earth by icy comets that passed by the planet millions of years ago.
humansarefree.com/2015/09/13-pieces-of-evidence-supporting-hollow.html
Aug 9, 2018 17:32:12 GMT -7 sharingtheriches said:
Neither are the Clinton's, the Royal Queen and family are related/Reptilians .
US Presidential Bloodlines
Did you know all 43 U.S. presidents have carried European royal bloodlines into office? 34 have been genetic descendants from just one person, Charlemagne, the brutal eighth century King of the Franks. 19 of them directly descended from King Edward III of England. In fact, the presidential candidate with the most royal genes has won every single American election.
“This information comes from Burke's Peerage, which is the Bible of aristocratic genealogy, based in London. Every presidential election in America, since and including George Washington in 1789 to Bill Clinton, has been won by the candidate with the most British and French royal genes. Of the 42 presidents to Clinton, 33 have been related to two people: Alfred the Great, King of England, and Charlemagne, the most famous monarch of France. So it goes on: 19 of them are related to England's Edward III, who has 2000 blood connections to Prince Charles.
The same goes with the banking families in America. George Bush and Barbara Bush are from the same bloodline - the Pierce bloodline, which changed its name from Percy, when it crossed the Atlantic. Percy is one of the aristocratic families of Britain, to this day. They were involved in the Gunpowder Plot to blow up Parliament at the time of Guy Fawkes” -
Researchers like David Icke, Michael Tsarion, and Fritz Springmeier, along with foundations like the New England Historical Genealogy Society, Burkes Peerage, the Roman Piso Homepage, and other reliable genealogical sources have documented these royal presidential bloodlines. Actually, by branching out far enough on the presidential family tree, the dedicated researcher will find that all 43 presidents share kinship, belonging to the same general ancestry, often called the 13th Illuminati bloodline, the Merovingian line, and/or the Windsor-Bush bloodline.
Bush is closely related to the king of Albania and has kinship with every member of the British royal family and the House of Windsor. He is related to 20 British Dukes, the 13th cousin of Britain’s Queen Mother, and of her daughter Queen Elizabeth. He is 13th cousin once removed from Prince Charles and has direct descent from King Henry III, Charles II, and Edward I of England. Through the House of Windsor and King Henry III, the Bush’s and Bill Clinton are genetically related as well.
www.ancestry.com/boards/topics.royalty.links/212/mb.ashx
Michael Price, studied at Imperial College London
Answered Feb 27, 2017
Yes, it is a shocking secret, never before revealed, that Queen Elizabeth is directly descended from the Pharaohs of Ancient Egypt. There were about 170 Pharaohs in all, and they had a lot of children. Chances are good that every single person in Europe is related to one of them somehow, especially as the last few were of Greek descent anyway.
~~ Frank Stranges wrote in his book Stranger at the Pentagon: "One of the people who it has been my pleasure to meet personally is Harley A. Byrd - a person who knows a lot about Valiant Thor (a space man living here on Earth). Here are some of his statements in regard to Val;
Valiant Thor The Human Alien From Venus,
Washington D.C. V.I.P. During Late 50's
The Valiant Thor Landing 002741-57 Room 4D-717 Project Blue Book
April, 1957
During the winter of 1956-57, the Washington, D.C. area was extremely cold, but it was a good feeling to be working in a high security position in the Pentagon. I lived only a short distance away in Georgetown, the old section of the Nation's Capital. Senator John F. Kennedy lived on "O" Street just a block away from our house on Prospect.
During a successful tour with the U.S. Naval Ceremonial Honor Guard, we had met with astronauts Glen Cooper, Wally Sherrar, who were the first wave of successful space travelers. Also we had visited the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier numerous times. It seemed like every time a visiting dignitary came to Washington, they lay a wreath at the tomb.
We had met the Queen of England several times at the airport, as these were some of the duties I performed as a young officer in the Navy. After carrying the 2-Star flag at the funeral of my late uncle, Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd, I was recommended for a security clearance and was granted a Top Secret Clearance after a lengthy six-month background study (B1 complete 1957). After being transferred to the Chief of Naval Information (CHINFO), I worked in the Security Clearance section before being indoctrinated into the branch office of the Air Force called PROJECT BLUE BOOK. It was a joint service office; that is, two Marines, two Army, two Navy and three Air Force officers.
The work was routine, opening incoming mail, sorting out what was called actual sightings as opposed to many fake UFO photos. We also acted as a Public Information Office (PIO), much like a public relations office. Every publisher's dream was to get the real low down on the UFO situation, which was suppressed by the group that dictated national policy on the UFO matter.
In mid March, 1957, we received an urgent message from the Alexandria Police Department. The message indicated that two of their on-duty police officers had picked up an alien who had landed some 14 miles south of Pentagon Boulevard, and the occupant was transported to the Pentagon to meet with the Under Secretary of Defense and then shuttled underground to meet with President Eisenhower and Vice President Richard Nixon. The meeting lasted for nearly an hour and then, the alien visitor was put on VIP status and was shuttled back to the Pentagon where he spent the night in the Army reception office on the first floor near the concourse. This alien's name was Valiant Thor.
Commander James was on duty at the Security Clearance and Review for the branch officer of the Project Blue Book. He oversaw the meeting through official channels and reported the landing and meeting of the "space emissary", as he was labeled by the Department of Defense, to a governing group of high military officials including Secretary of Defense F.F. Forestall and other scientific men of which there were twelve. They in turn made recommendations to the President and Cabinet members, the CIA, FBI, NSA, and so on.
The landing of Valiant Thor was perhaps the first documented landing of a human-type alien by military officials. He contacted an individual in the Pentagon who was an advocate of the UFO alien situation. "Nancy Warren" in turn contacted a minister, who was also a private investigator and theologian, a Dr. Frank E. Stranges, who then met with this individual. Dr. Stranges had been a guest speaker at the National Evangelistic Center for two weeks.
Val Thor landed in Alexandria and met with the President to discuss the world's problems and offer advice and counsel on how to deal with and eliminate them. Safe to say that the problems he was discussing were more complex than savings bonds. He indicated to Mr. Eisenhower that the world was in a precarious situation and that if the world continued to proceed on a war footing - it would cause an economic imbalance throughout the world. Val Thor stayed on Earth until March 16, 1960, and then disembarked to his home planet Venus.
He indicated that his race of people lived and dwelled underground and that many of the planets throughout the universe sustain life in this same manner. He also mentioned the waves of aliens who would land around the world to help with the Earth's seemingly insurmountable problems. He stated that a group from a distant planetary system would be coming to give aid and data to help the Earth's progress. Val Thor spoke of Christ's presence in the universe and that it was heartwarming to see Christ's advanced teaching continuing. This visitation at the Pentagon marks perhaps a new era in knowledge, wisdom and understanding on our planet.
- Harley Andrew Byrd
(grandson of Admiral Richard E. Byrd)
the above article came from the book Stranger/ET at the Pentagon author Frank E. Stranges.
There is a picture of Jill, Donn, and Valiant Thor on the article above and it shows that you can see the pad had his writings on it. Therefore, he can writes!
1) Rational wrote: Almost seems that this example was written by someone else.
~~ Nathan: Yes, the article came from Frank E. Stranges, who was the author of the book Stranger/ET at the Pentagon.
2) The Byrd family has a very well documented family tree yet no where does a 'Harley Andrew Byrd appear. No, nathan , you have been through this many times and have yet to produce any verifiable evidence.
~~ Nathan: Here is Harley Andrew Byrd testimony on LIVE the Art Bell Radio show Harley Byrd Interview
October 19th, 1995 On this page you will find various postings to the Hollow Earth list about the interview with Harley Byrd by Art Bell on his radio show which was broadcast, Thursday evening, October 19th. Harley Byrd claims to be Admiral Byrd's grandson.
I recall in a UFO magazine in California, seeing a listing for Harley Byrd and his interest in UFOs and the Hollow Earth. From there as Art got progressively more and more freaked out Harley went on to tell about the mysterious death of his father, his family last seeing him as he left the family home on his way to address a National Geographic Society group on certain aspects of *the story* ... how he was found a few days later in a warehouse dead, seemingly having suffered dehydration and malnourishment ?!!
www.v-j-enterprises.com/byrdgson.html
Richard Evelyn Byrd III was Harley Byrd's father.
Richard Evelyn Byrd III (February 19, 1920 – c. October 3, 1988) was a United States naval officer, Antarctic explorer, and the son of Admiral Richard Evelyn Byrd.
Early life[edit]
Richard Evelyn Byrd III (usually referred to as Richard E. Byrd, Jr.) was born on February 19, 1920[1] to famed naval aviator and explorer Richard Evelyn Byrd Jr. and his wife, Marie Donaldson Ames. The younger Richard was a graduate of Milton Academy and Harvard College.[2]
Military career[edit]
During World War II he was commissioned an ensign in the Naval Reserve on April 6, 1942 and was promoted to lieutenant (junior grade) on January 1, 1944. He was promoted to lieutenant by the war's end and was promoted to the rank of lieutenant commander in the Naval Reserve after the war. He accompanied his father on Operation Highjump to explore Antarctica in 1946.
Personal life[edit]
In 1948, he married Emily Saltonstall (d. 2006), the daughter of longtime Massachusetts Senator Leverett Saltonstall. They divorced in 1960. He had five children and six grandchildren. He worked as a financial advisor with Morgan Stanley.
Death[edit]
He died on or about October 3, 1988, at the age of 68. His body was found in a warehouse in Baltimore, Maryland. He had gone missing on September 13, 1988, after being placed on a train in Boston bound for Washington, D.C. Byrd was supposed to attend a National Geographic Society event honoring the 100th anniversary of his father's birth, but never arrived.[2]The cause of his death was dehydration and malnutrition which resulted from Alzheimer's disease.[3] He was buried, near his father Ricard E. Byrd the Admiral, in Arlington National Cemetery.[1][4]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Evelyn_Byrd_III
~~ Nathan: Harley Byrd's father is Richard E. Byrd III and his father was Richard E. Byrd the Admiral... It seems Harley Byrd is the grandson of Richard E. Byrd the Admiral. It is incorrect to say Harley Byrd is the Nephew to Admiral Richard E. Byrd. He is the grandson to Admiral Richard E. Byrd.
I showed you plenty Photo of 4 people who Live and from Interior Planet Venus! THEY said they came from Interior planet of Venus themselves. Valiant Thor said Christ Jesus is his creator and they live inside Venus planet. He even took Frank Strange to Interior planet to meet him in 1990s and he wrote of his journey to interior planet. What else do you need?
www.bing.com/search?q=Pictures+of+Valiant+Thor+at+New+Jersey&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&rec_search=1&plvar=0&refig=c5172ca0cf474768d875e35c8179474e&sp=-1&pq=pictures+of+valiant+thor+at+new+jersey&sc=1-38&qs=n&sk=&cvid=c5172ca0cf474768d875e35c8179474e
Vice President Nixon Meets Man From Space.
There is a book in the Calif. Library System which states that our former president, Mr. Richard M. Nixon, once carried on a conversation with a man from space. I wonder what he would say about the information stated in the book? Here is the information; … At that moment, another gentleman rushed into the room. It turned out to be Vice President Richard Nixon. He appeared to Val to be very sharp, quick-witted, with fixed, eyes and an amazing aptitude toward speed and profiency. "My name is Valiant," he said as the Vice President thrust his hand without hesitation.
"You have certainly caused a stir...for an out of Towner." The Vice President smiled as he continued, "Of course, we are not totally convinced of anything just yet. But suffice it to say we are checking and double checking everything you say and do. When Sergeant Young from Alexandria radioed in and stated that you had just landed in a flying saucer, we though," he continued, "Sergeant Young had flipped. Say, were you in on that UFO flap over Washington? You certainly had us all in a dither, if you were."
1952 UFO/12 fly over Washington capital
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2HCEm-g1TY&ab_channel=HISTORY
After assuring them that this planet had been under close scrutiny for hundreds of years before the 1945 bomb blast and with his special letter still in the slightly quivering hand of the President, he was requested to follow the Secret Service back the way they had come.. to the Pentagon and into a beautifully furnished apartment where he would spend the next three years. Fortunately, he was prepared for such a lengthy visit and kept in constant communication with the starship. There were many occasions during which he teleported himself in and out of those quarters often exercising "trans-imagery" to cause the security guards to visualize his face on a nonexistent I.D. badge.
Photos Taken
Soon after his arrival, together with three members of his crew, he joined a "convention" in the back yard of the home of Mr. Howard Menger in High Bridge, New Jersey. The month was April, 1957. A certain group of individuals who were interested in UFOs were meeting that day. Val and his crew members, Donn, Jill and Tanyia, had changed into the same type of clothing worn by their Earth friends. The meeting was very interesting and these people were on the right track. He was dismayed to learn the undignified manner in which these people were treated by the press.
Nevertheless, these people were pursuing their beliefs and is was good. A curious young photographer, August C. Roberts, snapped several pictures, thinking he was doing so without Val's knowledge. The photographer seemed to be greatly troubled when he attempted to talk to him. Yet, it was those very photographs which were to bring me together with this unusual man on that cold December day. Holding the message from the High Council in his hand, the President stated that Val's offer to help the human family would upset the economy of the United States and could plunge her into the abyss of chaos. In brief, he politely told Val that the people of this planet were not ready to cope with such conditions as would come into existence if the recommendations of this unearthly visitor were put into action. Nevertheless, he was invited to assist a number of scientists who were out working on medical projects directly associated with the space sciences.
galactic.to/rune/valienthor.html
Pastor/Dr. Frank Stranges is NOT the ONLY human being who entered the Hollow earth. Frank Stranges is the ONLY man who had entered the inner earth and inner Venus planet. Here is a list of names who had entered the hollow earth themselves. Admiral Richard E. Byrd; Franks E. Stranges, Air Force Col. Billie F. Woodward, and others.
humansarefree.com/2011/05/hollow-earth-agartha-complete.html
Phil Schneider showed a picture of Valiant Thor, whom he met one time. A picture in 1943 showing Thor sitting next to his father and other USA scientists on the "Philadelphia Experiment" USS El Eldridge escort ship conference room. Valiant and Donn Thor, have been working for the Pentagon 58 yrs since 1937. The picture was taken in 1943. Valiant Thor arrived and work with U.S. gov't in 1930s.
Valiant Thor, has about 1200 I.Q. Speak over 100 human languages/aliens. Valiant Thor benevolent Being arrived/worked for US Navy in 1937-38. Life span 490 yrs. One oversize heart, One giant lung, blood vessels are bigger, copper oxide blood like an octopus, his brain larger than humans. At 3:31 Al Bielek said a picture of Don Thor (Valiant Thor brother! ) sitting next to Phil Schneider's father Oscar. Valiant Thor and his brother Don Thor have been HELPING the US gov't since 1937 for more than 58 yrs.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=33w5pWAzMY0
Israel’s Former Space Security Chief Claims Aliens Exist, And Trump Knows | NBC News NOW
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6iE62jovMo&ab_channel=NBCNews
Why Are World Leaders Visiting Antarctica?-Steve Quayle
By Greg Hunter On January 22, 2017 In Political Analysis
In the last few months, the world’s political and religious leaders have been making trips to the continent at the bottom of the world—Antarctica. Author of “Empire Beneath the Ice” (second edition December 2016). Steve Quayle says people should take notice. Quayle explains, “What really is going on down there? Here is the billion dollar question, and probably the trillion dollar question: Why are the world’s religious leaders and the world’s most powerful leaders going to Antarctica? I don’t think the Russian Patriarch Kirill is going down there to meet penguins, with no disrespect meant. Someone or something has summoned the world’s leaders.”
Quayle also says, “Most people don’t understand, and this is critical, the United States, in 1947, sent a war flotilla to the Antarctic under Admiral Byrd and it was called “Operation High jump.” It was to seek out and destroy the hidden Nazi bases that intelligence agencies provided them the documentation for. It wasn’t a small thing. There were 13 ships and 4,700 men and state of the art U.S. weaponry. The bad news is we got our rear ends kicked. Russians were spying on us, and they had a video of our aircraft encountering flying saucers.”
Fast forward to today, and Quayle contends, “Black physics is beyond the PhD level, and we are seeing this with CERN (European Council for Nuclear Research). What is so critical for people to understand is, as more activity takes place at CERN, the occult rituals associated with it are so in your face you can’t dismiss this stuff anymore as being the ranting’s of this fringe or that fringe. Something is happening, and the Antarctic is critical. It’s my contention that because of the advanced technology of the Third Reich . . . that they went under the ice, so to speak, and came into contact with beings, sentient beings that Wernher von Braun and others have made reference to many times before they passed away. So, all this is a matter of record. When you put all the records together, it points to this: There is some entity or group of entities that are thinking and have advanced technology and, basically, give orders to the religious and political leaders of our day.”
The history of the world is not what it is. It is what the powers that be pretend it to be. For the record, all of the world’s leaders never believed that Hitler died in the bunker.”
Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with Steve Quayle author of “Empire Beneath the Ice.”
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Read the Testimony of an Air Force Col. who entered the Hollow earth 6 times when he worked in the Nevada, Area51 for 12 years under ground.
Arrival and Indoctrination
I was first stationed at Area 51, Nevada, Jan.28, 1971 through 1982. In that period of service I visited the Hollow Interior of the Earth six times, 800 miles deep. Upon my arrival to Area 51 I was indoctrinated to the existence of tunnels beneath Area 51, and soon after I met several of the Underground Shuttle Operators that have a stature of 13 to 14 feet in height. These tunnels, that transverse the world, are built by a species of beings who have existed here before we, a very long time.
Immediately on my arrival to Area 51, I was made aware of the tunnels and all the workings of the facility itself. They told me that the first 15 levels of the Area 51 facility were man made; that Levels 16-27 were already there. Nobody from our government made them. We were just facilitating them.
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Admiral Richard E. Byrd's Hollow Earth theory wasn't the first of its kind.
Ever heard of Journey to the Center of the Earth? This classic book, written by Jules Verne in 1864, highlights the exciting idea of a civilization hidden inside Earth. And Jules Verne wasn't the first person to theorize about what might lie at the center of the Earth, either - by his time, there was an entire sub-genre of fiction dedicated to the idea of an inner earth, or of a hollow Earth.
While expeditions into inner Earth happened before Admiral Richard E. Byrd's time, it is Admiral Byrd's theory about Hollow Earth that has stood the test of time. He built his theory on the "facts" offered by earlier theorists, astronomers, astrologers, physicists, and mathematicians - some even famous enough you might recognize their names (Halley, of Halley's Comet fame, anyone?).
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Post by nathan on Aug 9, 2017 7:43:50 GMT -5
1) Fixit wrote: Says the guy who puts God and Jesus inside Venus, and angels flying in and out on spaces craft.
2) Openingact34 Wrote: I guess angels flying around like Superman is totally reasonable, but angels flying spaceships is just idiotic.
3) NathanB: It's Idiotic to you unbelievers and atheists, the Venusians had flying space ships before God created Adam and Eve 6000 years ago. The angels from the Morning and Evening Star= Venus used their space ships= Chariots of FIRE! with Laser weapons to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah to rubbles.
(Note:) the title "Lord" in this verse has the Greek article "the" Meaning that "The LORD", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left His home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth. Jesus Christ of the New Testament, and "Yahweh" of the Old Testament are one and the same! Jesus appeared personally, face to face with Moses and the Old Testament prophets of God. Ex. 33:11 where "the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."
Exodus 24:9-11 Moses and seventy elders of Israel "saw the God of Israel" Jesus is the visible manifestation of "The God of Israel" God, in the person of Jesus, and two angels walked up to Abraham's tent and had dinner with him before they destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Genesis ch. 18 and 19.
Dead Sea Scroll #3 Cave #3
"The Lord (Elohiem) instructed his Angels, both from the Morning and Evening Star, to assist Lot and his family to escape what was to befall the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. The Two Chosen ones instructed Lot and his family to drape themselves in white Garments (fine linen) and run away from the cities with great haste. Then a voice came from the darkening skies from on high and the other Heavenly Messengers, also from the Morning and Evening Star who rode in their chariots of fire saying unto all of them below, "Make haste because the judgment of Almighty God is about to fall upon these cities. We are prepared to obey His Voice and point our fire-spears towards the cities of sin and destroy them according to the Divine Will of the Father. Then a white light as bright as the sun blazed behind them and the Earth did shake with a mighty roar. The elements did separate as the cities of sin were leveled to the ground. The air above the Earth was filled with destructive dust and everyone including the animals.
"The smoke rose into the heavenly and did cloak the ground with destruction. Thus, the messengers, from the Stars did likewise accomplish their mission as their wheels returned to the skies where they rested with others in their home which was high above the Earth."
"She who was the wife of Lot, because of her disobedience, did turn around and gaze upon the destruction. She was turned into what appeared to be the salt of the land and the deadly destructive dust that clung over the Earth did indeed cause her life to cease. The smoke and vapor from the cities rose higher and higher as the cities were laid waste in the wilderness on the plains of Zoar that morning."
Even Jesus speaks about the Chariots of fire! Space ships.
Words of encouragement from our Lord God Jesus Christ the Creator of the Universe
Also from Cave # 7 1. "My Dear Children, by the time you read these words, many years will have passed since my death and resurrection. The times and seasons will be different from the times which I have spent with my disciples. You will be living in perilous days and nights. But you will be aware of my presence with you at all times because this I have already committed to you long ago."
2. "My message to you is to stand fast and hold to that which has been proven to be just and true. Do not hold onto those things of this present world but rather seek first my kingdom and you will be the recipients of all that is good and Holy."
3. "These shall prove to be great days and nights of trials and tribulations. But you, my chosen ones, will rejoice because I have made a way for you were there was no way. You will find that My Words shall never return to me empty or void. You will live in total expectation that I am God of My Word. Yes, I shall keep My Word to you everyday that you live. Then, if and when you depart from your present clothing of flesh, you shall instantly be transformed to be with me for all eternity."
4. "I am presently continuing to prepare a wonderful place for you. When that place is completely prepared for you and My message of My kingdom has been carried throughout the planet, then you shall see and witness positive signs of my soon return. Keep your faith and trust in Me because I am the Lord who has promised to be at your side forever."
5. "Many will attempt to steal your crown and rob you of your joy. But they can never succeed because of My Presence with you. What you have hidden in the deep recesses of your heart can never be removed by the enemy of your soul. Maintain a strong faith in me and My Word and you shall never perish but enjoy life everlasting which I have provided you."
6. "May these words be of continuous comfort to you and to your children. Speak to them in words of joy and comfort, which have been rooted and grounded in My Holy Word. Continue to strive to perform good works among men. Allow the brightness of your own life to dispel the shadows of doubt and fear." 7. "When you read these words much prophecy will have already come to pass, however, more prophetic events will take place to assure you that I am the Lord God. I am the Lord who has permitted many things to occur in the past in order to prepare you for tomorrow. Be of good cheer. Love one another and continue to keep My Word, always."
From the Copper Scrolls Cave #3
11. "You shall also witness my angels and my Heavenly Messengers who will visit you in their chariots and assure you of the Gifts of God." 12. "My Heavenly Messengers will also bear you up on the wings of deliverance as I so instructed them to do." 13. "They will speak of me and my Glory and will show signs and wonders at my command. My Heavenly Messengers will also council you in the ways of the Lord and will reveal to you the wonders of the Universe, at My Command." 14. "Let your faith and confidence in me never waiver. I am with you, Always."
Copper Scrolls Cave #3
The Master speaking, "Do not permit your pure mind to become troubled in any form but rather allow your faith and your belief to solely rest in Almighty God. You believe whole-heartedly in Almighty God, you also believe in Me with all of your heart, mind and spirit.
In our universe, which I have created, there are multitudes of places and orbs which, along with the Earth, shall be your future dwelling places." "I have already prepared many places for you to visit and to also dwell in the future. In reality, because I Am God, I shall be with you always everywhere and will always accompany you. And when the time is ripe you shall know that I have already made a way for you to be transformed and then you shall dwell with me in those other places.
In that manner, we shall never be apart again for I shall be with you, always." "I have already made provisions so do not allow your pure mind, your pure heart or your spirit to become disturbed. I am well aware that the evil one and his followers have already tried and tempted you and attempted to try your faith. He is very busy and his evil activities shall increase as the time of the end shall appear." "His own angels whom I have cast out of the Heavenly, down to Earth, are busy attempting to, in every way, to destroy your faith. But young children shall be assisted by My Angels and other Heavenly Messengers, who will reveal themselves in chariots of fire. They will bring you a message that will cause you to be.
6. Cave #4
1. "Let the people know that my Spirit now strives with all mankind. But it shall not be this way forever."
2. "My Spirit of Life is Universal. I have many more sons and daughters who have never transgressed my perfect Law. They shall come to you. Some will visit for a short time while others will remain among you for certain times and seasons which I will appoint."
3. "My sons and daughters will spread My Word and will impart to you such knowledge that will help you in your journey through life. Heed their words and let your heart listen to their instructions because they have been sent to you, by me, to carry my words to your ears."
4. "Do not allow your discouragement to overcome you but rather rejoice in the truth that I have indeed sent help to you from the Stars."
www.rense.com/general66/cave.htm
Pastor Frank E. Stranges testimony of meeting Valiant Thor from Interior Venus planet. Discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls the 21st Century gospel to mankind.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQzhTqh1z_U&ab_channel=livingselfsufficient
~~ In 1957 President Eisenhower asked Val. Thor, "Which planet are you from?" He said, "I am from the planet your Bible calls the Bright and Morning Star." President said, "You mean the planet Venus." Val said, "Yes, sir."
2000 yrs ago, Jesus revealed to John the apostle and to all of the believers in Christ, where is from and living at the time, the Planet Venus in Rev. 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Another scroll found in 1952 speaks of Ezekiel's Wheel
He was thirty years old. His birthday was the 5th of July when this event took place. Ezekiel speaking, "The Hand of the Lord is upon me (revealed). The Mighty Arm of Elohiem rose up from the river Chebar and touched my tongue. Then my eyes, then my heading the midst of the whirlwind caused by the wheel within another wheel thus emanating from the north. The living creatures were like Angels. The Beings looked like men. The wheels did touch the Earth, the fire subsided and the door of the chamber opened and the silver pathway was lowered by the Angels." The Angels beckoned to Ezekiel to come close, to place his feet onto the silver pathway and he proceeded to join together with the Angels.
They then sat and together broke bread, drank and had fellowship together. Ezekiel was then shown the future as God so directed them. As they yet spoke, the silver pathway which came down was raised in the wheel. Ezekiel marveled at the wheel and the grandeur of the Earth falling away beneath his feet.
Among the marvels of the Earth below, Ezekiel saw the grandeur of the Sun, the moon and the stars such as he never saw before. He wept aloud as the Angels of the Lord lifted their hands and their eyes and offered praise unto the Lord of Creation.
The wheels departed from the Earth high above that of the most powerful eagle. Ezekiel saw and witnessed and understood the True meaning of Divine Fellowship between man and those who have come from afar to help the sons and daughters of men. Sleep overcame Ezekiel and when he awoke he found himself lying near the shore of the river Chebar. He witnessed and gazed upon the circle wherein the wheel had left its mark.
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~~ Cave #1 From the Dead Sea Scrolls: UFO/The wheel within the Wheel/Chariot of fire and heavenly Created Beings/Angels from the planet Venus Morning and Evening Star. Rev. 22:16 Jesus revealed to His people that He is from the Bright and Morning Star= Planet Venus but he is living inside the Interior planet of Venus.
Frank Potter was a member of Inner Circle of Dr. Frank group/Melchizedek
"The Stranger at The Pentagon" book written by Pastor Frank E. Stranges is just the beginning. The many wonderful truths in the book "Outwitting Tomorrow" are only the tip of the iceberg. Val Thor an Elohim or "Created Being" whose home is on Venus is the leader of the Solar Councils mission to earth. He was directly commissioned by Sananda-Yehoshua The Christ to oversee the planetary redemption plans to liberate earth an to make the people of earth aware that we are not alone in the universe.
Valiant Thor also has spoken to the United Nations on several occasions. Val has worked with the governments of the world to offer them interplanetary cultural exchange which would allow earth to advance in terms of technology. The governments or Cabal refused his offer of assistance to earth many years ago because it would threaten their positions of power and make our financial systems obsolete. Open contact would bring in free energy and advanced healing putting the pharmaceutical industries of sickness as well as the oil and electrical companies out of business as well.
The Stranger at The Pentagon. He met Dr. Frank Stranges at the pentagon in 1957 and began a long association which has been the source of a tremendous volume of spiritual information that Dr. Frank faithfully revealed to the world over his 61 year ministry. Dr. Frank was an earthly member of the council of 12. This council was comprised of 6 space family members and 6 earthly counterparts. This council met regularly and discussed the plans and actions of how to administer humanity into the realization we are not alone on earth and we are responsible for our own spiritual awareness.
Dr Frank was given many lessons on the true history of the earth. He was also taken to Venus several times and to the inner earth agarthan network where he actually saw unicorns, mastadons and other dinosaurs including the famous Sasquatch. Commander Thor introduced him to large benevolent beings from 9-14 feet tall. Dr Frank was chosen by Val to share the revelations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which have been hidden from humanity by the Jewish authorities.
He was privileged to meet the Ascended master Yehoshua the Christ on several occasions and you hear details of these astounding encounters. He was able to view holograms of earths ancient history on special "History Coins" which projected the records of the Akashic right before his eyes. He shares the truth of the star of Bethlehem and When Moses met the Burning Bush. He shares the true eyewitness details of the Last Supper. You will learned who killed both Kennedy's and the location of the 12 Victor class spaceships which encircle the earth in their mission to oversee and protect the earth from hostile forces.
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Here is a video of Victor One.
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Frank Stranges journey to the Interior planet of Venus with Val. Thor in 1990s.
~~ Dr. Frank Stranges Journeyed/visited to the Interior Planet Venus on Victor One space ship of Commander Valiant Thor in 1990s.
A spacecraft named Victor One is made ready for a journey through space. The people on board look forward to a visit to their home planet. The visitors also look forward with great anticipation to the trip. The Commander gives the word. Vice Commander Teel has already programmed the onboard computer with the proper calculations that will transport everyone to the planet Venus. Many sides of Victor One are suddenly transparent as people are seated comfortably observing the events that follow. The ship rises slowly at first, and heads for the blue sky above leaving Lake Mead disappearing from sight far below. Of course, this represents a nightmare to any United States Air Force pilots who might be cruising in the area at that time. A nightmare would result and a decision must be made whether to be bogged down with reports which must be filed, should they elect to report this sighting. Or, should they simply totally ignore the sighting and go on their way wondering in their own minds as to the reality of the craft from another world?
Space:
As Victor One picks up speed, the pilot, who is operating the controls with his mind, maintains a precise course for the distant planet. The truth is that his mind must remain on piloting the ship. To allow anything else to enter his mind would indeed throw the ship completely off course. The journey is rather brief as the ship travels through the darkness. The stars in the vast distance testify of the wonder of it all. One could elect to view vast distances through the onboard equipment designed for that specific purpose. Communication is established with the planet as the ship draws closer to the opening in the northern portion of Venus. It then plunges downward through the deadly methane gases surrounding Venus. The temperatures have been calculated to be over 800°F. Victor One dives through the opening with no difficulty.
Arriving the Interior planet Venus:
Upon landing, Victor One is made secure. Coming down the ramp, all smiles, is the Commander followed by his officers and visitors. Warm greetings are expressed and accompanied by hugs and kisses. It is almost like a homecoming event. Everyone is happy and joyous. The temperature is about 72°. The Central Sun is shielded by a protective covering, which prevents severe exposure. The buildings are lighted with multiple colors. Vehicles small and large are cruising through the air. They are surrounded by a medium force field that prevents them from colliding against each other. We are invited to a special meeting followed by a banquet. Needless to say, our friends from space — especially Vice Commander Donn — have a healthy appetite. We sit comfortably at a large round table and are waited upon by young men and women who have requested this privilege to serve the Commander and his friends. The table is colorfully decorated with beautiful flowers, some of which turned color when touched by human hands. It appears that much planning was exercised in making our visit, one to be long remembered.
The Building:
The buildings consist of offices as well as dwelling places. The parliament buildings are completely surrounded by fountains of colorful water. There are also a number of waterfalls that dot the area. The tallest building, is the Government Seat where the Council of Twelve rules with Love and Peace. Waterfalls and many colorful fountains also surround it. Not too many vehicles are parked in the area, only those that are marked by the official seal of the Government. We enjoy the pleasure of meeting the various members of the Council of which Commander Valiant Thor is a member. The Supreme Head of the Council is dressed in a robe bearing the colors of Gold and Purple with a bit of Red and White. It is truly a sight to behold. The remaining members of the Council also appear in full dress colors celebrating our visit. The other buildings, which are dwelling places, represent a series of apartments. Another section of the City is dotted with beautiful two and three-bedroom homes. A body of reflective water touches almost all of them.
The Commander Thor’s house is appointed with a lake directly in front with a small stream running along two sides of his home. The rear of the home is equipped with a fireplace and beautiful garden area in which is found a medium-size Meditation Garden. This is one of the most famous resting spots appreciated especially by Dr. Lee also takes great delight in this particular area of the house.
Their Daily Lives:
Inasmuch as the Venusians only require about one or two hours sleep per twenty four hours, they have much time for relaxation, sports, companionship with neighbors, and of course, shopping. Whenever a special meeting is called, they all attend expecting wonderful information to be shared with them. Their work consists of a few hours either spent at their respective offices or else in other Government activities. There are no police or fire departments required. They teach and train their children at home. There are times, however, when the central education office will broadcast into the homes with special lessons for children of all ages.
Those in charge of government offices are occupied with certain responsibilities, which often include the participation and cooperation of their families. They all enjoy such activities as concerts, picnics, lectures (from visitors as well as their own people), movies, etc. The fauna and flora of the planet testify of the greatness and colorful imagination of the Divine Creator. The colors of the plants and flowers along with the many waterways are deep and rich, also warm and inviting. This is one planet that has been truly blessed in every manner of the word.
We Must Now Leave:
Following several meetings with the Council of Twelve, the Commander has issued the word that we must return to our home planet. Of course, this is most difficult to do. However, we all have loved ones, along with responsibilities that must be attended to on Earth. With the knowledge of the possibility of a return trip, we reluctantly return to Victor One for the journey home following another series of warm hugs and kisses. Upon boarding the craft, we look back at the smiling faces of the Venusians knowing full well that this visit will not soon be forgotten. We assume our seats, relax and return home. Victor One rises through the narrow passageway at the top of the planet and we head for home. I do hope and pray that you had enjoyed his brief trip to the planet Venus. Your comments are always welcome.
© Dr. Frank E. Stranges
Someone wrote: The Son of God in the Old Testament
Any time the Old Testament Scriptures state that someone saw God, they saw the pre-incarnate Christ, Jesus himself, before he was born and lived as a human being through the virgin birth. John 1:18 states that "no man hath seen God (the Trinity) at any time' the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared (revealed) him." Appearances of Jesus in the Old Testament are theologically called "Christophanies". Christ the Lord God walked, talked in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve.
The word "God" in the book of Genesis speaks of "Elohim/plural- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit" or the Trinity, but "the LORD, and "the LORD God", who spoke personally to Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham and many of the Old Testament prophets, is the personal and visible manifestation of God, which is Christ Jesus. The personal name of God in the Old Testament is "Yahweh", translated "LORD" (All Capitol letters) In the KJV, 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "The Lord" from heaven,
(Note:) the title "Lord" in this verse has the Greek article "the" Meaning that "The LORD", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left His home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth. Jesus Christ of the New Testament, and "Yahweh" of the Old Testament are one and the same! Jesus appeared personally, face to face with Moses and the Old Testament prophets of God. Ex. 33:11 where "the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend." Exodus 24:9-11 Moses and seventy elders of Israel "saw the God of Israel" Jesus is the visible manifestation of "The God of Israel" God, in the person of Jesus, and two angels walked up to Abraham's tent and had dinner with him before they destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, Genesis ch. 18 and 19.
Christ/Jesus in the "Ancient of Days", in Daniel 7: 9-14 (Notice the description is basically the same as the glorified Christ in Rev. 1:12-18. Jesus was in the cloud that followed the children of Israel through the Red Sea. 1 Cor. 10:4 - Ex. 14:14, 19 & 25.
The "angel of God" literally means "the appearance of God" (Notice Jesus looked out of the cloud and shot the wheels off of Pharoah's chariots while they were in the dry bottom of the Red Sea!) The Scriptures clearly teach that "Jesus", of the New Testament, and "Yahweh", translated "LORD", of the Old Testament, are the same person - the Second Person of the Trinity, the "revealed", or "manifest" Person of Almighty God. 1 Cor. 15:47 states that Jesus is "THE Lord" from heaven, (Note: the name "Jesus" has the Greek article "the"). 1 Cor. 15:47 is stating that the "Lord", Hebrew "Yahweh" in the Old Testament, is Jesus, before He left his home in heaven and entered the stream of humanity through the virgin birth.
Jesus of the New Testament, and "Yahweh/God Christ" of the Old Testament are one and the same BEING/Spirit.
Yahweh is The Creator: Isa.40:28 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Creator: John 1:3 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the First and Last: Isa. 41:4 44:6 (Yahweh)
Jesus is the First and Last: Rev. 1:17 2:8 & 22:13 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Lord of Lords: Deut. 10:17 (Yahweh)
Jesus is the Lord of Lords: 1 Tim. 6:15 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Savior: Isa 45:21 43:11 (Yahweh)
Jesus is the Savior. John 4:42 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Light: Psa. 27:1, Isa. 60: 19-20 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Light. John 1:1-9 & 8:12 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Shepherd: Ps. 23:1 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Shepherd: John 10:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Glory of God: Isa. 42:8 48:11 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Glory of God: John 17:1, 5 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Redeemer: Isa. 41:14, Jer. 50:34, (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Redeemer: Rev. 5:9 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Rock: Ps. 18:2 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Rock: 1 Cor. 10:4 (Jesus)
Yahweh is the Creator of angels: Psa. 148:5 (Yahweh)
Jesus is the Creator of Angels: Col. 1:16 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The I AM: Ex. 3:14 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The I AM: John 8:58 18:5,6 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Bridegroom: Isa. 62:5 Hosea 2:16 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Bridegroom: Rev. 21: 2, Matt. 25:11 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Judge: Joel 3:12 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Judge: John 5:27 Matt. 25:31-46 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Forgiver of sins: Jere. 31:34 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Forgiver of sins: Mark 2:7, 10 (Jesus)
Yahweh is The Holy One: Isa. 43:3 (Yahweh)
Jesus is The Holy One: Acts 3:14 (Jesus)
Both Raised the dead: 1 Sam2:6 (Yahweh) John 5:21 (Jesus)
Both were Worshiped by angels: Ps. 148:2 (Yahweh) Heb. 1:6 (Jesus)
Both are confessed as LORD - Every knee is going to bow and every tongue confess Isa. 45:21-23 (Yahweh); Phil2:9-11 (Jesus)
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Post by Admin on Aug 9, 2017 8:33:43 GMT -5
That is fine by me... Give me ONE week to remove the things are NOT 2x2 relate I need time to SAVE it on my flash drive..... I will leave my articles and history that relate to 2x2 on this thread.
You must put a warning at the top somewhere for the posters NOT to mention my name in their posts about Hollow earth, Reptilians, Valiant Thor on their posts or they will be removed from the TMB.... Are you willing to do that? I will alert you, and keep tap on them, and I hope you will DO something about it.
If you are serious about your warnings! people will THINK twice when they post my name with the Hollow earth, Reptilians, Valiant Thor and so on... I don't want to defend myself over and over on these things! ever again. Well, I gave you guys and gals 5 years on these things that is enough to last you a lifetime.  I will post on my website.
Thanks, Admin. and moderators...
Nate, Tell me when you've finished copying what you want to keep. Best if you remove it after you've copied it, so we don't make mistakes in deleting. If I were to put a warning that anyone who mentioned you and Valiant Thor in the same breath must be removed from TMB, that person could very well be myself as sometimes I can't resist... (only joking). You are right, there are too many sub-boards that are legacies from a past time when we had TMB members who were interested in the topics. Sometime soon with the mod's we will do a clean up. If anyone wants anything particular kept, please let us know before it's too late. The number one priority is not as you put it, to ensure that changes happen. Rather, it's to have TMB open and available for people to discuss if and when things happen. If nothing's happening in the F&W world that people want to discuss here, that's fine. Probably the Facebook sites satisfy much of that demand these days. admin |
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Post by nathan on Aug 9, 2017 10:28:14 GMT -5
Science fiction of yesterday Star Trek in 1960s is our reality today.2/2018 Major UFO Disclosure - An Intelligence briefing/information was revealed to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus. President said, "How are we going to tell people that!" The highest level in the U.S. gov't has been co-operate with the Venusian human looking angelic beings/Valiant and Donn Thor from Interior planet of Venus since 1930s- to present time. Phil Schneider story on Valiant Thor the human looking angel the Venusian
Phil Schneider showed a picture of Valiant Thor, whom he met one time. A picture in 1943 showing Donn Thor sitting next to his father and other USA scientists on the "Philadelphia Experiment" USS El Eldridge escort ship conference room. Valiant and Donn Thor, have been working for the Pentagon 58 yrs since 1937. The picture was taken in 1943. Valiant Thor arrived and work with U.S. gov't in 1930s. Valiant Thor, has about 1200 I.Q. Speak over 100 human languages/aliens. Valiant Thor benevolent Being arrived/worked for US Navy in 1937-38. Life span 490 yrs. One oversize heart, One giant lung, blood vessels are bigger, copper oxide blood like an octopus, his brain larger than humans. At 3:31 Al Bielek said a picture of Don Thor (Valiant Thor brother! ) sitting next to Phil Schneider's father Oscar. Valiant Thor and his brother Don Thor have been HELPING the US gov't since 1937 for more than 58 yrs. Vice President Nixon Meets Man From Space. There is a book in the Calif. Library System which states that our former president, Mr. Richard M. Nixon, once carried on a conversation with a man from space. I wonder what he would say about the information stated in the book? Here is the information; … At that moment, another gentleman rushed into the room. It turned out to be Vice President Richard Nixon. He appeared to Val to be very sharp, quick-witted, with fixed, eyes and an amazing aptitude toward speed and profiency. "My name is Valiant," he said as the Vice President thrust his hand without hesitation. "You have certainly caused a stir...for an out of Towner." The Vice President smiled as he continued, "Of course, we are not totally convinced of anything just yet. But suffice it to say we are checking and double checking everything you say and do. When Sergeant Young from Alexandria radioed in and stated that you had just landed in a flying saucer, we though," he continued, "Sergeant Young had flipped. Say, were you in on that UFO flap over Washington? You certainly had us all in a dither, if you were." 12 UFO flying over Washington D.C. capital the White House www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2HCEm-g1TY&ab_channel=HISTORYAfter assuring them that this planet had been under close scrutiny for hundreds of years before the 1945 bomb blast and with his special letter still in the slightly quivering hand of the President, he was requested to follow the Secret Service back the way they had come.. to the Pentagon and into a beautifully furnished apartment where he would spend the next three years. Fortunately, he was prepared for such a lengthy visit and kept in constant communication with the starship. There were many occasions during which he teleported himself in and out of those quarters often exercising "trans-imagery" to cause the security guards to visualize his face on a nonexistent I.D. badge. Photos Taken Soon after his arrival, together with three members of his crew, he joined a "convention" in the back yard of the home of Mr. Howard Menger in High Bridge, New Jersey. The month was April, 1957. A certain group of individuals who were interested in UFOs were meeting that day. Val and his crew members, Donn, Jill and Tanyia, had changed into the same type of clothing worn by their Earth friends. The meeting was very interesting and these people were on the right track. He was dismayed to learn the undignified manner in which these people were treated by the press. Nevertheless, these people were pursuing their beliefs and is was good. A curious young photographer, August C. Roberts, snapped several pictures, thinking he was doing so without Val's knowledge. The photographer seemed to be greatly troubled when he attempted to talk to him. Yet, it was those very photographs which were to bring me/Frank Stranges together with this unusual man on that cold December day 1959. Frank Stranges testimony of meeting with Valiant Thor at the Pentagon in 1959
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQzhTqh1z_U&ab_channel=livingselfsufficientHolding the message from the High Council in his hand, the President stated that Val's offer to help the human family would upset the economy of the United States and could plunge her into the abyss of chaos. In brief, he politely told Val that the people of this planet were not ready to cope with such conditions as would come into existence if the recommendations of this unearthly visitor were put into action. Nevertheless, he was invited to assist a number of scientists who were out working on medical projects directly associated with the space sciences. www.galactic.to/rune/valienthor.htmlHeaven= Venus is a real place! and heaven is NOT our own imagination. Jesus is alive and He will Return... Where do you think Jesus is LIVING right now? Jesus gave us the location of where he was 2000 years ago. Rev. 22:16. ~~ In 1957 President Eisenhower asked Val. Thor, "Which planet are you from?" He said, "I am from the planet your Bible calls the Bright and Morning Star." President said, "You mean the planet Venus." Val said, "Yes, sir."
2000 yrs ago, Jesus revealed to John the apostle and to all of the believers in Christ, where is from and living at the time, the Planet Venus in Rev. 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Jesus said in Rev. 2:26-28 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star (planet Venus).
God the Father, Christ/God, the Holy Spirit and Satan and all of the angels of God came from the Interior planet of Venus! The morning Star. Rev. 12:1-9 After the war in heaven/Venus between God Vs. Lucifer/Satan, God cast Satan and 1/3 fallen angels to earth as their home/prison until the judgment day! Rev. 22:16 Lucifer[1] is the name of various mythological and religious figures associated with the planet Venus. Due to the unique movements and discontinuous appearances of Venus in the sky, mythology surrounding these figures often involved a fall from the heavens to earth or the underworld. As a name for the Devil, the more common meaning in English, "Lucifer" is the rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל (transliteration: hêylêl; pronunciation: hay-lale)[3] in Isaiah (Isaiah 14:12) given in the King James Version of the Bible. The translators of this version took the word from the Latin Vulgate,[4] which translated הֵילֵל by the Latin word lucifer (uncapitalized),[5][6] meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus", or, as an adjective, "light-bringing".[7] As a name for the planet in its morning aspect, "Lucifer" (Light-Bringer) is a proper name and is capitalized in English. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer And I/John the apostle beheld, heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands. (Revelation 5:11) The number of God's holy angels is truly "innumerable" (Hebrews 12:22). John "beheld" so many angels at God's throne that he could not attempt to count them, but simply tried to express their immense multitudes. Israel’s Former Space Security Chief Claims Aliens Exist, And Trump Knows | NBC News NOW2,617,823 views Dec 9, 2020 www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6iE62jovMo&ab_channel=NBCNews~~ Whoever made those two lists.... they gave us the history in Chronological Order! of different events happened through the centuries to our current days!
1) rationalwiki.org/w/images/b/b9/Qanon-map.jpg2) rationalwiki.org/w/images/9/91/Great-Awakening-map.jpg3) Trump and his military generals are revealing secrets to the public.... www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-theorists-took-q-sparked-qanon-n900531
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Post by nathan on Aug 11, 2017 9:32:24 GMT -5
1/2022 fixit wrote: How many years ago did Jason L. leave the 2x2 meetings?
professing.proboards.com/thread/31257/house-conventicles?page=17&scrollTo=9973151) Nathan: Maybe 8 years ago or longer? around 10 years... Jason L. was doing OK when Ram/mountain posted his hoax letter on Dorothy William Irvine... After that he came back with different tones on the Protestant Reformers believing in Once saved always saved doctrine, Predestination and so on. He and I went a few rounds on that...
2) Ram replied: Let me correct one thing Nathan. In no way was Dorothy Irvine involved with any Protestant Reformers or their beliefs and certainly did not believe in a 'Once saved, always saved' doctrine. To link this fine woman with these beliefs and people is both wrong and atrocious. How Dorothy Irvine could be blamed for leading a person astray on these matters is beyond me. As you are aware, Dorothy Irvine is linked with continuing house conventicles, something you reject and keenly try to portray as being false! 2) Nathan wrote: You misread and read too much into my post, Ram. I didn't blame you or your hoax Dorothy William letter for Jason L. leaving the 2x2. It was Jason L. choice for leaving the 2x2 and it had very little to do with your letter.
I was trying to answer fixit's question when did I think Jason L. left the 2x2 meeting? It came to my mind that when he answered your letter on William Irvine he was still professing back then. After a period of No posting he came back with believing and defending One of the Protestant Reformers doctrine Once SAVED is always SAVED, and Predestination. Jason and I went round and round on those false doctrines, it was started by John Calvin (1509- 64).~~ Basically, the Doctrine of Once Saved, Always Saved began with the teachings of John Calvin, (1509-64) who was a pastor, church reformer, author and teacher. For the first 1,500 years of church history, Once Saved, Always Saved was pretty much foreign within church beliefs and teachings. No well known church theologians ever taught this doctrine of unconditional eternal security prior to Calvin. There is some Scripture that may appear on the surface to support this belief, while there is much more Scripture to refute OSAS. By taking the entirety of the Bible, from Genesis through Revelation, it becomes quite clear that this teaching is false. Today, this belief is held by most Baptist denominations and Presbyterians and perhaps some other denominations. www.heraldstaronline.com/opinion/local-columns/2017/02/is-once-saved-always-saved-true-or-false/So, don't get so work up about it for nothing. I have been saying for over 20 years on TMB that Jesus 2x2 apostolic/workers ministry and New Testament Church meeting in the homes of believers to worship God, Christ and Holy Spirit in every generation since the time of apostles and Jesus.
Title: The Pilgrim Church Author: E. H. Broadbent READ Chapter V history of the Vaudois/Waldenses 70-1800 A.D. This classic work demonstrates that the true heart of this amazing drama is not even recorded in church history books. Right from apostolic days there have always been little groups of persecuted believers who just wanted to follow the Lord. Written in an engaging style, this book will thrill your heart with the stories of unknown heroes of the faith. It will spur you on to greater devotion to the Lord Jesus and a deeper concern for His suffering people in many countries today. Originally published in 1931, The Pilgrim Church is considered a modern classic. It provides a comprehensive history of the church from the apostolic age to the twentieth century through the prism of the New Testament church model.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 11, 2017 9:48:16 GMT -5
Corrupting every thread Nathan. What is this board about? I thought this subboard was an Announcement Board about other 2x2 related websites...??  |
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Post by nathan on Aug 11, 2017 11:19:44 GMT -5
Annan/a self-proclaim Witch casting a spell on me on TMB professing.proboards.com/thread/29374/future-wednesday-night-bible-studies?page=201) 7/11/20 Annan said: I never put a hex/curse on anyone. Why are you bullying me, Nathan?** NathanB. You are lying again and your nose is growing like Pinocco every day... You must remember the so-call hex/curse poem on me and another time you told us you put a curse/hexed on so and so who hurt someone you love and the curse worked. WERE you lying to us when you told us the story? 2) Annan said 7/11/2020: You are correct. I put a binding spell on someone once as they did something against my daughter. What I did NOT do was put a spell/hex on you, but you keep believing it. Just another part of your delusion. I know you have problems understanding English, Nathan. Let me try again. Yes. I put a binding spell on someone who hurt my daughter. The binding spell was a protection spell of sorts. It was designed to wrap the offender up in their own wrong doing. In other words, when they tried to hurt my daughter again, their wrong doing backfired on them. They either learn to quit or do themselves in. Very simply really. NathanB: There you go! You did cast a spell/hex on someone before you put a hex on me and you claim it wasn't a hex but your poem/and YOU said it's a hex and you even said so yourself in your post, but now you denied it. professing.proboards.com/thread/30231/nathan-2x2?page=2&scrollTo=913839In 7/11/2020 Annan wrote: I know you have problems understanding English, Nathan. Let me try again. Yes, I put a binding spell on someone who hurt my daughter. The binding spell was a protection spell of sorts. It was designed to wrap the offender up in their own wrongdoing. In other words, when they tried to hurt my daughter again, their wrong doing backfired on them. They either learn to quit or do themselves in. Very simply really. ~~ Nathan to Annan: My question to Annan is What kind of WRONG DOING backfired on him/them is she talking about like.... They either learn to Quit or DO themselves in..... What is this all about, Can you elaborate on this, my dear? What kind of harms will come to him/them, Sweetie? How come you say him/them? Did you cast your spells on more than 1 person because you said THEM. Did you witness or see the result of your harmful spells come on them yourself. 1) Annan wrote: Prove I cast a spell.
~~ Nathan wrote: Here it is Anna wrote in 2/20/20
Lord of Darkness hear my plea.
The spell below on Nathan please.I tie your fingers in a knot. You cannot type or wipe your snot. You cannot post, no not word. You cannot see, your eyes are blurred. For a year... make that a day. That Nathan cannot work or play. So mote it be! Worth a try. You never know. 1) Slowtosee: What if it backfires on you/Annan? Nathan: As the saying goes you can lead a horse to the water but you can't force it to drink it. Just like your 2x2 parents they tried to raise you right, but you turned out to be a Witch. That is your choice NOT theirs. You better work out your own Salvation First and then with your ex-2x2 parents. Just think if you had professed as a 2x2 you could have convinced/saved your parents to stay professing. Oh, Sweetie. You blew it. You won the grand PRIZED of a long list failures. What a Looser, You are a failed witch/daughter of Satan can't get your spell working at all, a failed 2x2, who NEVER profess, a failed wife, a failed mother, a failed Jew, failed human being... You are a Biggest looser/failures. You can't convince your husband, ex-son in law, your father ex-2x2 to become Warlocks. Either your mother, daughters want to become Witches. You are a biggest looser, nobody in your family wants to join your Witches convents. That is quite a list of failures for a Witch, much longer than mine. Hey, Witch take the BEAM out in your own eye before you try to find a mote or faults in other people eyes. You hypocrite, Repent of your wicked ways. Perhaps, you should pray to God so He will open your eyes and turn to Him instead serving your LORD of Darkness, who leads you to the Lake of fire for Eternity. 12/28/21 Wally wrote to Annan/the Witch Why did you get fired failed employee? Why have you failed as a mother? You should be tending to your atheist children instead of on here stalking Nathan. Why Have you failed as a witch? None of your family has become one. Why have you failed as a wife? You should be tending your disabled veteran husband instead of on here stalking Nathan. Why have you failed as a Jew? You didn't even convert your family to Judaism. Why did you fail as a daughter? You could have saved your parents from leaving the truth. Why did you fail as a human being? You spend all your time here stalking Nathan is that why you got fired? Why witch Why? ~~ Nathan to Annan: Hey, Sweetie did you miss Wally's post? Did you spend too much of your time on the computer at work following/stalking me around and posting all day along, on the Company time and they caught you. And did you get fired for NOT doing the books incorrectly for spending the company time stalking me on TMB? Was some money missing some how so, they decided to FIRE you or let you go, Sweetie. Are you using company's computer and time while you are working, Sweetie. Don't let them catch you again, they are watching you so, be very careful. You have been posting on TMB again during the day for years constantly for hours when you are supposedly working for the company, as a book keepers for 20 years keeping their books for them.... Why, did they call you into the office? and decided to let you go in couple weeks. You have been doing this for years now posting all day long on TMB during working hours... How can you get any work done for your company? they pay you for working and not posting on TMB, right. professing.proboards.com/thread/31236/nathan-liar?page=9Dec 3, 2021 openingact34 said: As I recall, the men Annan put spells on ended up in PRISON, not the hospital. Annan Hex page 22 Feb/7. professing.proboards.com/user/1163/recent?page=22professing.proboards.com/thread/29374/future-wednesday-night-bible-studies?page=242) Look and post this on Annan the Witch professing.proboards.com/thread/5019/standing-true?page=20&scrollTo=990860
1) Guest: It is my understanding that if Nathan COULD get to meetings, then he WOULD get to meetings. You SHOULD never judge a book by its cover. Always look at the contents.
2) another guest: here's a big, "SO WHAT" 
3) A drive by shooter: In my eyes he is not professing any longer
Ithascome: What does God see?
4) InnocentQ wrote to WA friend: And who are you? Do you share with the workers your participation on these forums? For your creditability, please share information of who you are, such as full name and the city you go to meeting in! WA friend said: Irrelevant to the issue InnocentQ: To you, maybe? You are truly despicable as a person and claiming your profession in Christ (albeit your profession is to man, that I am assured of). In other words, just because you get to lots of meetings and speak in them, doesn't mean you are professing as you say you are, AND just because Nathan doesn't have all the opportunities to get to meetings as you, doesn't mean his isn't professing as he say he is PERIOD! Methink, this isn't the place nor is this for us to really know... our relationship is between us and God! As for gossip, that is what it is....Some people need to get a life, so they stay out of others' life. i.e. MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS 5) Ithascome to WA friend: WA professing friend ... you are no friend... you are a snake.
No you were accused of not being a friend... a snake hides and strikes without warning. If Nathan did go to meeting with you ... how could you ever have fellowship with him? ... are you suppose to love your brother? I think I love Nathan more than you do. You are right ... I do not know you and I am not sure I would ever want to. 6) To WA friend: You "professing wonder" in WA, WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE A BROTHER? Do you think that regular meeting attendance makes you somewhat more "righteous" to point your finger in someone else's face.? I THINK YOU SHOULD STAY HOME! Pray for a better attitude (like the mind of Christ). professing.proboards.com/thread/31236/nathan-liar?page=12&scrollTo=997631Hi All,May I tentatively make a comment here. I don't know NB and I don't know WA professing friend but reading this thread the words of Jesus came to me "If they be not against us then they are with us" WA all any of us can do is post what we perceive and believe, anything else would be lying to ourselves and before God. Not all within the fellowship believe everything that is put before them by the workers explicitly, some of their tenants are their and others interpretation and as we each read and study the bible we come to different conclusions about some aspects.
This is healthy as it causes us to really study the word and try to gain an individual understanding and relationship with God. If you agree with everything you hear from all in the fellowship then Maybe.... just maybe you need to examine yourself as to whether you are just following blindly or if you are developing a personal relationship with God. If on examination you find this is what you understand and in your relationship have these things made clear to your understanding then more power to you and I am wrapped for you and the unity you experience in the fellowship. But please be careful in calling out one who is in fellowship with us, it speaks of a word in season and if you have anything against NB why not email him personally first, it says in the bible to go to your brother first in private.
NB Hi Brother, Don't be discouraged. I work shift work also 2 x 12 hr nights then 2 x 12 hr days so I only get 4 Sundays out of 8 if I am lucky. But I am really blessed in that I have a wonderful bunch of F&W around that understand and help and encourage me. Is going to meeting critical to our salvation? No I believe not, but it helps and encourages us and Jesus said not to forsake the gathering together. I know this means in any form of fellowship, so if you have chosen the F&W then we shouldn't forsake that. Thanks for reading fellas I would like to encourage you both to show the fruits of the spirit and promote good will to all men and love each other in spite of who you are. Love and Regards BC InnocentQ wrote to BC: Thank you...this is a person who has Christ within and Jesus shines forth! Amen. If I was fellowshipping with you, I would miss your words of encouragement on the days you weren't with us in church. God Bless.....we need more fellow person like you! From Liz to BC: If all 2x2-ers would heed your words, there would be less gossip & less judgement in your fellowship! Even when I was a 2x2-er, I never felt meeting attendance was a 'salvation issue'. Perfect meeting attendance garnered worker approval and the label of being 'hearty'. It had NOTHING to do with my individual walk & relationship I was striving to have with God. I was a faithful attendee b/c I was seeking the approval of others. (that's not the easiest thing to admit, even years later). Agreeing with everything that's said without thorough examination, can cause one to 'follow blindly'. We were given brains for a reason - to use! Liz 1/17/22 Ram wrote: On this occasion Nathan gets my full support, I do not know his precise circumstances. I would strongly urge Nathan to think for himself with regards to his work commitments, especially regarding Sunday working. If it's a necessity, it is a necessity. Just accept it if nothing can be done about it. The last person that is going to criticize you is God. He has the power to change things and if you take the matter to him in prayer and an opportunity for change does not come along, then take it for granted that he wants you exactly where you are. This comes from many years experience in a job where I worked three weekends out of every four, missing 75% of Sunday meetings. To put this into better prospect, in the UK they also have Sunday PM meetings in addition to Sunday morning meetings, as well as Wednesday PM meetings. I understand that many countries in the World where the F&Ws sect exists, they do not have Sunday PM meetings. When I learned this, a few years after my retirement, I was shocked. Such a thing was a necessity in my country. So are the countries which do not pursue this practice, mediocre Christians, shirkers, lazy, etc, etc. I had been in my job quite a few years before I professed. I sought desperately to change my job in order to find a living more commensurate with being a professing person. I prayed desperately about it and over a few years grew very frustrated at being in that situation. I had a wife and two children to support as well. I found little support was forthcoming for my circumstances within the group. Eventually I got sick of 'looking to fit in' and became very relaxed about my situation. I left the matter in God's hands. I remained in that situation more or less until I retired from that job. Looking back I had many desperate times having to work Sundays as well as the other days in the week, but there were many experiences and blessings which I would never have had, had I had a more normal, easier life in the meetings. I now thank God for his 'keeping power' during those years. I did make many mistakes, some of them quite disastrous, but these were largely due to trying to follow my human spiritual masters. This matter is between Nathan and his God. So my advice to Nathan is this. If there is no obvious and practical way out of his situation and a lengthy period of prayer is not resolving the matter, just relax, because God has the power to change your circumstances for you. Be prepared for your current circumstances being within his will for your life. Don't listen to the advice of others. It has the power to destroy you. You are serving God and not mammon. I tried that and failed to find a suitable alternative, having a wife and two children to support. Against be deepest desires I remained in post, but years later I came to see that God wanted me exactly where he had called me. Despite many difficulties, I received many blessings, especially after I accepted the fact. I would've changed, if I could have, but I couldn't. There was a reason for that. I felt trapped for years until realizing the truth of the matter set me free. Nathan, I don't know your circumstances or how true your heart is, because I don't know you personally. However, if you are truly doing your best in your circumstances, don't let the ignorance, inexperience, lack of understanding or ill-will of others drag you down. It is the work of the enemy, not God. Sometimes the 'genuine' concern of others is the worst.professing.proboards.com/thread/3669/nathan
The Bible’s command that we not judge others does not mean we cannot show discernment. Immediately after Jesus says, “Do not judge,” He says, “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs” (Matthew 7:6). A little later in the same sermon, He says, “Watch out for false prophets. . . . By their fruit you will recognize them” (verses 15–16). How are we to discern who are the “dogs” and “pigs” and “false prophets” unless we have the ability to make a judgment call on doctrines and deeds? Jesus is giving us permission to tell right from wrong. Believers are warned against judging others unfairly or unrighteously, but Jesus commends “right judgment” (John 7:24, ESV). We are to be discerning (Colossians 1:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:21). We are to preach the whole counsel of God, including the Bible’s teaching on sin (Acts 20:27; 2 Timothy 4:2). We are to gently confront erring brothers or sisters in Christ (Galatians 6:1). We are to practice church discipline (Matthew 18:15–17). We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15).www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html1) What does the Bible say about witchcraft / witches?
The Bible has a lot to say about witchcraft. Witchcraft and its many cousins, such as fortune-telling and necromancy, are Satan’s counterfeits to holy spirituality. The Bible expressly condemns all forms of witchcraft. Since early times, people have sought supernatural experiences God did not endorse. The nations that surrounded the Promised Land were saturated with such practices, and God had stern words for His people concerning any involvement with them. Deuteronomy 18:9–12 says, “When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord.” God takes witchcraft very seriously. The penalty for practicing witchcraft under the Mosaic Law was death (Exodus 22:18; Leviticus 20:27). First Chronicles 10:13 tells us that “Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance.” In the New Testament, “sorcery” is translated from the Greek word pharmakeia, from which we get our word pharmacy (Galatians 5:20; Revelation 18:23). Witchcraft and spiritism often involve the ritualistic use of magic potions and mind-controlling drugs. Using illicit drugs can open ourselves up to the invasion of demonic spirits. Engaging in a practice or taking a substance to achieve an altered state of consciousness is a form of witchcraft. There are only two sources of spiritual power: God and Satan. Satan has only the power that God allows him to have, but it is considerable (Job 1:12; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Revelation 20:2). To seek spirituality, knowledge, or power apart from God is idolatry, closely related to witchcraft. www.gotquestions.org/Bible-witchcraft.htmlWhen we ask a question such as “Why did Jesus/God have to die?”
1) Why did Jesus have to die? — The punishment for sin is death.
God created earth and man perfect. But when Adam and Eve disobeyed God’s commands, He had to punish them. A judge who pardons law-breakers isn’t a righteous judge. Likewise, overlooking sin would make the holy God unjust. Death is God’s just consequence for sin. “For the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). Even good works cannot make up for wrongs against the holy God. Compared to His goodness, “All our righteousness are as filthy rags” (Isaiah 64:6). Ever since Adam’s sin, every human has been guilty of disobeying God’s righteous laws. “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). Sin is not just big things like murder or blasphemy, but also includes love of money, hatred of enemies, and deceit of tongue and pride. Because of sin, everyone has deserved death – eternal separation from God in hell. 2) Why did Jesus have to die? — The promise required an innocent death.
Although God banished Adam and Eve from the garden, He didn’t leave them without hope of reconciliation. He promised He would send a Savior to defeat the serpent (Genesis 3:15). Until then, men would sacrifice innocent lambs, showing their repentance from sin and faith in the future Sacrifice from God who would bear their penalty. God reaffirmed His promise of the Sacrifice with men such as Abraham and Moses. Herein lies the beauty of God’s perfect plan: God Himself provided the only sacrifice (Jesus) who could atone for the sins of His people. God’s perfect Son fulfilled God’s perfect requirement of God’s perfect law. It is perfectly brilliant in its simplicity. “God made Him (Christ), who knew no sin, to be sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21). 3) Why did Jesus have to die? — The prophets foretold Jesus’ death.
From Adam to Jesus, God sent prophets to mankind, warning them of sin’s punishment and foretelling the coming Messiah. One prophet, Isaiah, described Him in Isaiah 53: For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth. Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors” (Isaiah 53:1-12). He likened the coming Sacrifice to a lamb, slaughtered for the sins of others. Hundreds of years later, Isaiah’s prophecy was fulfilled in the perfect Lord Jesus, born of the virgin Mary. When the prophet John the Baptist saw Him, he cried, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29). Crowds gathered around Him for healing and teaching, but the religious leaders scorned Him. Mobs cried out, “Crucify Him!” Soldiers beat, mocked, and crucified Him. As Isaiah foretold, Jesus was crucified in between two criminals but was buried in a rich man’s tomb. But He didn’t remain in the grave. Because God accepted His Lamb’s sacrifice, He fulfilled another prophecy by raising Jesus from the dead (Psalm 16:10; Isaiah 26:19). Why did Jesus have to die? Remember, the holy God cannot let sin go unpunished. To bear our own sins would be to suffer God’s judgment in the flames of hell. Praise God, He kept His promise to send and sacrifice the perfect Lamb to bear the sins of those who trust in Him. Jesus had to die because He is the only one who can pay the penalty for our sins.
www.gotquestions.org/why-Jesus-die.html7/17/21 guest8 said: The greatest destroyer within the church is one called Nathan.
1) Openingact34 wrote: I keep getting confused. Is TMB a tiny, dead message board that nobody reads, therefore Nathan cannot have a significant impact? Or do massive numbers of people read it so that Nathan has a huge impact of being the "greatest destroyer in the church"? The "greatest destroyer in the church" is quite a title. You have to beat out all the CSA predators in the work who had dozens or hundreds of victims each. You have to beat out the overseers who covered up for them. You have to beat out the senior workers who sexually harassed and raped women in their homes as well as sister workers. You have to beat out Doug Parker whose Secret Sect book caused about 30% of professing people in the English-speaking world to leave. You have to beat out Cherie Kropp and her Telling the Truth website which did the same in the rest of the world. You have to beat out the egotistical overseers in Canada, Greece, Vietnam, Sri Lanka, etc who initiated mass excommunications which shook their membership. ** Nathan wrote: Thanks! How in the world did this person guest8 ex-2×2 missed all of that? Is he BLIND to all the Truth you mention in your post. How sad is that he/she is blaming me for destroying the 2x2 church! For given the location where heaven is/ Venus. Jesus is God and the Trinity is NOT the devils doctrine.  That is beyond me. 2) 12/29/21 Guest8/ex-2x2 wrote to Wally: You accuse Chuck, in a way that you should be confronting Nathan as member of your church. You have this weird justification, that because you don’t support his alien theories/ Frank Stranges etc, it’s okay to continually support him as a supposed member of your church. Meanwhile, Nathan makes it’s very clear that the Frank Stranges story is interwoven into the gospel story because in his mind Jesus in the middle of Venus is true And woven into his testimony as a supposed member if your church. In the same breath, he maintains the 2x2 church is the only correct church on the face of the earth. Incidentally, they have ‘their gospel they preach in mtgs’. I understand , you sit & listen to that gospel at your mtgs. What a disgrace to belong to a church and have the hide/ the arrogance to change/ put down their gospel because of his egotistical delusional crap. So you are a hypocrite in the biggest order, the way you invariably support him and edge him on in his confrontations with others. It is clear, either you profess and support your church, as most professing folk relate to it ..or you continue to support a delusional man who is espousing a lot of crap as a supposed member of your church. Professing folk in general, do not come near this site & I’m told it’s because of Nathan's ongoing delusional nonsense. It’s tine you got out of your complacent armchair and looked ‘it square in the face’. 2) Openingact to Guest8: Absolute rubbish as usual. You simply need to accept that the hollow Venus stuff is viewed by the friends as mild quirkiness. Nobody faithful in the kingdom is up in arms about it. If you accept the workers 2x2 ministry and conventions as the only way and keep the bun heads in meeting, these are the things of importance. There have been plenty of faithful professing people who have joined and participated on the board. Bert was wonderful. But he was accused of being mentally unstable and bullied and driven away. GloryInTruth/Jason Landess was a great poster. But he was also accused of being mentally unstable and bullied and driven away. A very nice worker, review005 contributed for years. He constantly got attacked, accused of being mentally unstable and driven away. Wally is a very patient and moderate professing man but constant gets berated and told he is mentally ill and told to seek psychiatric help And of course there is Nathan. Constantly told that he is crazy. Even consider what happens to a worldling like myself. I suggested the fixit/Pragmatic crowd should go find a megachurch with a laser show and worship band rather than corrupting the truth and destroying the standard of the kingdom with their sinful lifestyles. I get ridiculed and told to seek counseling as well. Do we see the pattern emerging here? The unwilling exes and tares gang up on anybody who shows any support for the standards of God's true way and ridicule them as insane. It will have no effect on Nathan because he has seen you do the same to dozens of other faithful professing folks. 2) Openningacts34 Wrote: TMB used to have a lot of entertaining lists. I miss the lists. So let's consider a few questions: Who would you rank as the 10 most hated enemies of The Truth (from the 2x2's perspective), and in what order? Will anyone ever surpass Doug Parker? How high up the list does Ross Bowden climb thanks to his performance on 60 Minutes? Here's my list: 1. Doug and Helen Parker – authors of The Secret Sect, the historical expose that decimated the 2x2 membership from starting in the 1980s. Even in 2000 I was still hearing shrill, panicked sermons to burn books without reading them. 2. William Trimble – The editor of The Impartial Reporter was a fierce critic of Irvine, Cooney, and the other Friends and Workers. In documenting the history of the Truth's founding, he loaded the bullets that Doug Parker fired half a century later. 3. Cherie Kropp - She employed the internet to make the historical facts about the 2x2 origins available to the entire planet. Deeply despised by professing people everywhere. Undisputed #1 among the living members on this list. 4. Edward Cooney – After being excommunicated, his splinter sect was a thorn in the side of Jack Carroll, Wilson Reid and others who took over the Truth. They sent letters worldwide attacking his character. The hymns he authored were stolen, and are still used today with his name erased from them. 5. Rupert and Claude McHenry – Brothers who were a living nightmare for the workers with their protests and investigations. The overseers tried to coerce family members into lying about them to get them arrested or institutionalized 6. Jean Austin- her powerful and heart wrenching story of CSA brought down one of the Truth's most beloved overseers, and opened a floodgate of additional people coming forward 7. Ross Bowden – His interview on the 2019 Sixty Minutes Australia episode is quickly becoming legendary. Using the 2x2's most hated form of media, the television, was especially acrid 8. Dale and Marlene Jordan – They recorded their excommunication by the Alberta staff, and shared it with the world. The behavior of the workers was applauded by many of the faithful, but shocking and appalling to others. 9. Nguyễn Thanh Hoa the Vietnamese worker – Badly underestimated by the western overseers, he took half a country worth of Friends with him, and restarted a better version of the religion 10. William Irvine – Yes, the founder. His existence is very inconvenient for the narrative that professing people are ordered to believe. It is hard to rank him higher because so many 2x2's are still in the dark, and because he faded into obscurity instead of causing any real problems after being put out of fellowship by George Walker and company. professing.proboards.com/thread/28227/top-most-hated-enemies-2x2s?page=13) Sept 27, 2020 openingact34 said: The other day, I noticed how many of the 2x2 exes materials had been laid to waste. Anyone who writes books, does interviews, or has a website against the 2x2 way should take heed. Let's take stock: DELETED FROM YOUTUBE AND 60 MINUTES WEBSITE: 60 Minutes Television Expose of CSA in the Truth www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE76OlNwIOsSHUT DOWN: Brad Lewis's website www.2x2ministry.orgSHUT DOWN: Cherie Kropp's Liberty Connection Website www.thelibertyconnection.infoSHUT DOWN: Veterans of Truth Website www.votisalive.comSHUT DOWN: Veterans of Truth Blog veteransoftruth.blogspot.com ON DEATH'S DOORSTEP: TMB Message Board OUT OF PRINT: The Secret Sect Book by Doug and Helen Parker OUT OF PRINT: Reflected Truth Book by Joan Daniel OUT OF PRINT: A Search for Truth Book by Lloyd Fortt OUT OF PRINT: The Church Without a Name Book by Kathleen Lewis Not only are the books out of print, but every one of the authors seems to have decided not to release them into the public domain. This prevents any copies from being made for 70 YEARS after the death of the author. The earliest point at which an electronic copy of the Secret Sect can be made and passed around is 2090, but it will likely be later since one of the Parkers is still living. How many million people do you think will be living on Mars by the time everybody can freely read a copy of the Secret Sect? God has helped the friends and workers destroy most remaining copies of these books so that the few remaining copies change hands at exorbitant prices. On Amazon, the cheapest copy of Kathleen Lewis's book is $775 USD. Joan Daniel's book is $810. The Secret Sect goes for over $200. Any guesses on what the Hand of God will destroy next?
1) Nathan wrote: Acts 5:32-41 And we the apostles are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them. Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God. |
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 11, 2017 15:18:10 GMT -5
I thought it was an Announcement Board about other 2x2 related websites...?? It's about my 2x2 church history, workers testmonies, 2x2 doctrines, and many interesting topics are inluded on my website. I have decided to do something differently... Only a few that I trust will know where I post these information. RE: It's about my 2x2 church history, workers testmonies, 2x2 doctrines, and many interesting topics are inluded on my website.***that's what YOU have made it into, but I don't believe that is what this special board was/is intended to be, nor is it what others have used it for. RE: I have decided to do something differently... Only a few that I trust will know where I post these information.***Works for me! |
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 11, 2017 15:38:20 GMT -5
RE: It's about my 2x2 church history, workers testmonies, 2x2 doctrines, and many interesting topics are inluded on my website.***that's what YOU have made it into, but I don't believe that is what this special board was/is intended to be, nor is it what others have used it for. RE: I have decided to do something differently... Only a few that I trust will know where I post these information.***Works for me! Well, you are promoting your anti-2x2 websites on TMB board of workers/friends , why can't I post things about my 2x2 church history and different topics on my website?The difference is that I make announcements and provide links to additional information. I don't copy and paste all of TTT or TLC on this TMB website sub-board. Sure, you can "post things about my 2x2 church history and different topics on my website?" But last I heard, TMB isn't your website...I'm all for you having your own private website. I say: Go for it - then you can write whatever you want on it! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 18:10:55 GMT -5
Nathan, most folk understand an announcement to be no more than 2 sentences, not pages.
It is good that you have your own website where one can read if it interests people.
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Post by Admin on Aug 11, 2017 18:27:32 GMT -5
Nate,
Come Sunday, I will deal with this thread. I hope you have taken the opportunity to copy and remove all the material that you want for your personal website.
Cherie is correct, TMB is not a board for everyone to use as their own surrogate website. It is a forum for discussion only. This sub-board is for announcements pertaining to other related websites - not a place to repeat the info on them.
Thanks for understanding,
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Post by Admin on Aug 11, 2017 18:57:48 GMT -5
Nathan,
You misunderstand, perhaps it's the English and I'm not fluent in Vietnamese - sorry.
You are free to do the same as Cherie and the rest of the world on this sub-board.
But what you propose with this thread that you started is not appropriate for here on TMB. I will scan it tomorrow, then move what is appropriate to the right area on TMB.
Thanks.
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Post by nathan on Aug 18, 2017 23:18:52 GMT -5
1) 12/28/21 MaryH. wrote: I believe things that are in the Bible, and Jesus living inside Venus isn't. ~~ Nathan wrote: The Bible teaches Jesus is God (God the Christ/Son) but you don't believe it. God the Father said Jesus is God and LORD You don't believe that either. The apostles and his mother said he is God and you don't believe that. Even Jesus said He is God and you don't even believe that also. 1) Jesus said He is the Almighty God Revelation 1:7-8 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
2) One of Jesus names is the Logos the WORD of God Rev. 19:11-13 and John 1:1-3 John the apostle wrote it so clearly in John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God. He was in the World, and the World was MADE by Him, and the world knew him NOT. And the Word was made flesh and dwell among us. The Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. Who do you SAY the Word is? Jesus! Read Rev. 19:11-16 And I/John saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 3) In Hebrews 1: 8-12 God the Father called the Christ/Son "God and LORD" Creator of ALL the angels in heaven, He is Creator of the heavens, and all things in the Universe. But unto the Son he saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail." 4) John the apostle wrote in the gospel of John 5:17-18 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
John 10:25-33 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
5) Paul wrote in I Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the Flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, PREACHED to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.
6) The apostle Thomas said to Jesus after the resurrection, "My Lord and My God" in John 20:24-29. Jesus did NOT say don't call me Lord and God but accepted the title which Thomas called Him. 7) Mary the mother of Jesus said about the unborn Son in Luke 1:46-47 “My soul magnifies the Lord, And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior."
8) Paul wrote Col. 2:8 For in Him/Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
~~ Jesus said he is from the BRIGHT and Morning Star= Planet Venus Rev. 22:16 and you don't believe that either, Maryh.
Heaven= Venus is a real place! and heaven is NOT our own imagination. Jesus is alive and He will Return... Where do you think Jesus is LIVING right now? Jesus gave us the location of where he was 2000 years ago. Rev. 22:16. ~~ In 1957 President Eisenhower asked Val. Thor, "Which planet are you from?" He said, "I am from the planet your Bible calls the Bright and Morning Star." President said, "You mean the planet Venus." Val said, "Yes, sir."
2000 yrs ago, Jesus revealed to John the apostle and to all of the believers in Christ, where is from and living at the time, the Planet Venus in Rev. 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Jesus said in Rev. 2:26-28 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star (planet Venus).
God the Father, Christ/God, the Holy Spirit and Satan and all of the angels of God came from the Interior planet of Venus! The morning Star. Rev. 12:1-9 After the war in heaven/Venus Rev. 22:16 between God Vs. Lucifer/Satan, God cast Satan and 1/3 fallen angels to earth as their home/prison until the judgment day! 2/2018 Major UFO Disclosure - An Intelligence briefing/information was revealed to President Jimmy Carter that Jesus was A Visitor from the Interior planet of Venus. President said, "How are we going to tell people that!"
The highest level in the U.S. gov't has been co-operate with the Venusian human looking angelic beings/Valiant and Donn Thor from Interior planet of Venus since 1930s- to present time. ~~ Phil Schneider story on Valiant Thor the human looking angel the Venusian
Phil Schneider showed a picture of Valiant Thor, whom he met one time. A picture in 1943 showing Donn Thor sitting next to his father and other USA scientists on the "Philadelphia Experiment" USS El Eldridge escort ship conference room. Valiant and Donn Thor, have been working for the Pentagon 58 yrs since 1937. The picture was taken in 1943. Valiant Thor arrived and work with U.S. gov't in 1930s. Valiant Thor, has about 1200 I.Q. Speak over 100 human languages/aliens. Valiant Thor benevolent Being arrived/worked for US Navy in 1937-38. Life span 490 yrs. One oversize heart, One giant lung, blood vessels are bigger, copper oxide blood like an octopus, his brain larger than humans. At 3:31 Al Bielek said a picture of Don Thor (Valiant Thor brother! ) sitting next to Phil Schneider's father Oscar. Valiant Thor and his brother Don Thor have been HELPING the US gov't since 1937 for more than 58 yrs. On the Video below Phil S. talked about the battle with the Tall greys in Dulce, NW underground bases 1979. Listend to Phil S. at 23:20 on Valiant and Donn Thor
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRLU6d-NOhQ~~ Valiant Thor "Created Being" from Interior planet of Venus arrived in 1957-60 at the Pentagon said to Pastor/Dr. Frank Stranges, " There is LIFE on MANY other Planets, that the people of this earth know nothing about. There are presently 77 of us/Venusians walking among you in the United States. We are constantly coming and going. "
We (Pastor Frank and Valiant Thor) discussed the merits of Jesus Christ ... how He gave His Life freely... so that men could enjoy the benefits of eternal life. I questioned him about a Bible on Venus and he assured me that a personal unbroken fellowship with the "Author" did not necessitate the printing of a "book". He found it amusing that many theologians attempt to discredit both Jesus Christ and The Bible. The very God many have said is "dead" continues to lavish them with all good things. Perhaps they will, in time, permit the spark of Divine Light to again illuminate their troubled hearts. In answer to my question of what he thought of Jesus Christ, he said, "I know that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega of yours and everyone else faith. He today has assumed His rightful position as the ruler of the universe and is preparing a place and a time for all who are called by His Name to ascend far above the clouds to where His Power and Authority shall never again be disputed.
There are more solar systems for which man has not even given God credit. There are many beings that have never transgressed the perfect laws of God. Man does not possess the right to condemn the whole of God's creation because he himself has broken the perfect laws of God through disobedience." www.galactic.to/rune/valienthor.htmlInterview with Dr. Frank E. Stranges on Art Bell radio Interview
Frank Stranges: Well, I was born and raised in Brooklyn, NY, I went to Eastern Bible College which is now at Valley Forbes, PA, following that, I went to North Central Seminary which is now North Central University of Minneapolis, MN, and thanks to my dad pushing me on education, I’ve managed to get three PhD’s.Stranges: Let me begin at the beginning. In 1945, my research into UFOs started when I was a student at Eastern Bible College in Pennsylvania.Art Bell Radio Interview Stranges: To a great extent it will either make them angry enough to go and search the scriptures in the original language or else accept the dogma that they are studying today. One or the other. I believe people have a right to know the truth and you cannot, just like a court case, you cannot present a decent case until you have all the facts available. But if you take a little fact here and hide it, a large fact there and hide it because it may not set will with the people, you're making a big mistake, You're violating all the laws of interpretation.Art Bell: How in the world did you get these portions of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Stranges: I was afraid you were gonna ask me that! I got it from this gentleman/Valiant Thor that I met at the Pentagon back in 1957 who claimed that he was from another world.
Bell: Ah Hah! And that's where the title of your book comes from. Stranges: Right. "Stranger at the Pentagon."
Bell: "Stranger at the Pentagon." Stranges: Yes.Bell: Is he the one who handed you these Aramaic documents?
Stranges: He's the one who gave me the information and this is the information we've put down in our Dead Sea Scroll video tapes. Yes.
Bell: OK. Where does this man claim to have come from?
Stranges: The inside of the planet... Valiant Thor said, "your Bible calls the morning and the evening star." I said, "Venus?" He said, "Yes, Venus."Bell: So, he claims to come from inside Venus?
Stranges: And in the Dead Sea Scrolls Jesus is revealed as God Incarnate.
www.galactic.to/rune/stranges2.html1) MaryH. wrote: Nothing in the Bible says Jesus is God, Jesus is the son of God and Jesus himself says that the father is the only true God. So why don't you believe him? And God can't have a God, but Jesus says that the father is his God. Why don't you believe Jesus when he says this Nathan? This is Jesus speaking: John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ~~ Nathan wrote: I gave you MANY, MANY verses in the Bible where God the Father, Christ, the apostles and his mother said Jesus is God but you IGNORE it and closed your eyes, completely. It shows you are teaching only half-truth teacher of God. Yes, Jesus is the Son of God but He is also God like unto the Father. You must teach both sides of the coins head and tail. Don't teach one side of the coin then the people who you teach don't have a complete picture of both sides of a coin. Here is the writing and teaching of Jesus Christ Himself found in the Dead Sea Scrolls given to Frank Stranges by Valiant Thor. This leave NO doubt who Christ Jesus is, He is God the Christ/Son and Creator of Adam in the Garden of Eden and all things in the Universe like the gospels and the book of Revelation said he was and is. Pastor Frank E. Stranges testimony of meeting Valiant Thor from Interior Venus planet. Discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls the 21st Century gospel to mankind. Here is Frank's Testimony: Valiant Thor told him he is from Interior planet of Venus, which our Bible calls the Bright and morning Star. 30 second into the tape. The lecture was in Kona, Hawaii 2007 and Frank Stranges died in 2008.The inner earth is hollow, opening of south and north poles. We are NOT alone in the Universe. All planets are hollow and Intelligence beings living inside. August Robert met 4 Venusians from Interior planet of Venus at Howard Menger in 1958. 12-15 min. Valiant Thor is married, his wife name is Deanna and they have 1 daughter. 36:30 How Frank S. came to receive his special Dead Sea Scrolls.... listen at 51:32 www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQzhTqh1z_U&ab_channel=livingselfsufficient2) Dead Sea Scrolls was revealed by Valiant Thor to Frank Stranges
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sFHVDo7XKE&list=PLv7whYPHSlwScbYv-G4sQdLVTYSmowO0-&ab_channel=moanadyballChrist is also the ONE True God like unto His heavenly Father. ~~ Jesus The Great " I AM " God from the Dead Sea Scrolls
I, the Lord God of creation, who was and who is and who shall always be the one true God, the mind, the very center of the Universe, speaks to your own heart. The words that I have spoken to my prophets Moses and others were that he should recognize that the great “I Am.” filled his being with the power and the authority to open his mouth in my name and to proclaim his words as a living words that I placed deeply within him. I have in times past spoken through the mouths of my prophets and then through the mouths of my apostles. Now the times and seasons are approaching, as are the reasons, when my words shall again be spoken by my obedient prophets and apostles. Their words shall be my words and their deeds that shall be my deeds, because I have spoken this thing before the World was ever formed. Those words that I now speak shall be hidden for a season and then shall be revealed in the last times.I shall cause the Earth to quake and the sunlight, which represents the new dawning, shall shine brightly upon those who are appointed to carry my words from the darkness of the caves to the bright sunlight of my new revelation to all mankind ... and mankind shall read and they shall study those words and they shall find that they are the words that will cause an awakening to occur in the minds of mankind. It has been said in times past that I am in the wind and I am in the fire and I am into the waters. These words are not true. The truth of this matter is that I am the wind. I am the fire. I am the water. I am in everything and in everything that exists. When you touch the mountain, you touch me. When you are touching the water, you are touching me. When you touch the fire, you are touching me. I am the Lord of the Universe and there is not one place that I am not. I am not in the flowers, the plants, the fruit of the land, but I am the flowers. I am the plants. I am the fruit of the land. Mankind will climb into the heavens. I am not in the heavenly, but I am the heavenly. When I created man from the dust of the Earth, I was the dust of the Earth and I was and am the breath of life that causes mankind to live.
Say not that the Lord your God is in the heavens or on the Earth. I am the heavens and I am the Earth. Now you have received the true revelation of my word, which was spoken to you in times past. The word said that I am everywhere present. I am omnipresent. I am not part of myself, but rather I am the whole of the Universe. Wherever you look, wherever you come or go, whatever you do or say, I am there in the midst of you because I am not only in, but rather I am you! It shall be written in the future that man is the universe. I say to you that I do not dwell in the universe of mankind, but I am that Universe of Mankind, and there is no separation whatsoever. These words that I have spoken to you at this time and in this place are that you might believe the truth of the message that as my Father is one with me so is the Spirit one with me.
Now I am likewise in you and you are in me and that means I am one and you are with me. Have I not spoken these words in the past that I am in you and you are in me? (John 17:21) Jesus said, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Let this testimony be with you forever and forever, as we together traverse the streets of that sojourn from dawn to night. Be at peace and look deeply within yourself and you will find me. Again I have spoken the words in the past that you are indeed gods. I am your God. This revelation is of utmost importance and you must believe the whole truth as I have spoken it in your pure hearing. I say to you, allow the vibrations of your spirit, your inner ear, be unstopped and hear what the Spirit says to you at this hour. I am the center of your universe, because I am the whole of your universe. Know this, for this is the word of the living God, the Creator of all things which are. In time and seasons to come this word will be revealed to you and you shall behold the brightness of this truth, and you shall say, “This is the light for which I have long awaited. This is the revelation that will hold and maintain me through every experience of life.” Beware, there are those who would destroy this truth, but they shall not be able to destroy this truth because the truth abides in you and you abide in the truth. I have spoken in times past. And I have said that the truth shall cause many to walk in freedom, out of darkness and satanic bondage. And they shall have no further influence or rule over you. I have spoken these truths by the words of my lips and these words are true. Accept them and you shall live in peace, in joy and in victory over all things. Amen! You are invited to share this information with others, but kindly acknowledge copyright and keep this article intact. © Dr. Frank E. Stranges Frank Potter was a member of Inner Circle of Dr. Frank group/Melchizedek
"The Stranger at The Pentagon" book written by Pastor Frank E. Stranges is just the beginning. The many wonderful truths in the book "Outwitting Tomorrow" are only the tip of the iceberg. Val Thor an Elohim or "Created Being" whose home is on Venus is the leader of the Solar Councils mission to earth. He was directly commissioned by Sananda-Yehoshua The Christ to oversee the planetary redemption plans to liberate earth and to make the people of earth aware that we are not alone in the universe.
Valiant Thor also has spoken to the United Nations on several occasions. Val has worked with the governments of the world to offer them interplanetary cultural exchange which would allow earth to advance in terms of technology. The governments or Cabal refused his offer of assistance to earth many years ago because it would threaten their positions of power and make our financial systems obsolete. Open contact would bring in free energy and advanced healing putting the pharmaceutical industries of sickness as well as the oil and electrical companies out of business as well.
The Stranger at The Pentagon. He met Dr. Frank Stranges at the pentagon in 1957 and began a long association which has been the source of a tremendous volume of spiritual information that Dr. Frank faithfully revealed to the world over his 61 year ministry. Dr. Frank was an earthly member of the council of 12. This council was comprised of 6 space family members and 6 earthly counterparts. This council met regularly and discussed the plans and actions of how to administer humanity into the realization we are not alone on earth and we are responsible for our own spiritual awareness.
Dr Frank was given many lessons on the true history of the earth. He was also taken to Venus several times and to the inner earth agarthan network where he actually saw unicorns, mastadons and other dinosaurs including the famous Sasquatch. Commander Thor introduced him to large benevolent beings from 9-14 feet tall. Dr Frank was chosen by Val to share the revelations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which have been hidden from humanity by the Jewish authorities.
He was privileged to meet the Ascended master Yehoshua the Christ on several occasions and you hear details of these astounding encounters. He was able to view holograms of earths ancient history on special "History Coins" which projected the records of the Akashic right before his eyes. He shares the truth of the star of Bethlehem and When Moses met the Burning Bush. He shares the true eyewitness details of the Last Supper. You will learned who killed both Kennedy's and the location of the 12 Victor class spaceships which encircle the earth in their mission to oversee and protect the earth from hostile forces. ~~ Nathan: Yesterday during our Wed. Bible study on Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Jesus was telling the multitude and his followers after death his Spirit was going to Hades/inner earth for 3 days and 3 nights. 2) Peter wrote in I Peter 2:18-20 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which He also went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison, who once were disobedient when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. 3) Paul wrote in Eph. 4:8-10 8 Therefore it says, “When Jesus ascended on high, He led captive the captives, And He gave gifts to people.” (Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.)
~~ I said it before that After death Jesus Spirit went to Hades/Inner earth, where Satan kept all Souls as His prisoners! sins brought death to us all. Satan was going to take all the souls with him in the Lake of Fire after the judgment day. Jesus came down from heaven to DIE for ours on Calvary's to pay the Ransom price for our sins. Once Jesus had paid the ransom price he went to HADES/inner earth to RELEASE or SET FREE ALL Old and New Testament believers souls from that Place and take them back to heaven with Him. After Jesus had died the graves were opened and the dead in God/Christ came out of the graves! Jesus had set the believers FREE from Hades! Jesus said in Rev. 1:17-18 When I/John saw Him/Jesus, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
Now, READ Luke 16 the story of the Rich man and Lazarus will make a lot of sense! |
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He is the Creator of mankind and everything in the Universe, you KNOW! He SAID so!
millions people will READ it when they want to KNOW does Jesus live inside Venus planet.... Maybe the votes came from non-2x2s.
I will post on my website.
That is beyond me.