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Post by Partaker on Nov 6, 2015 9:15:24 GMT -5
I don't feel able to get very heavily involved in debates these days, but I have been following the contributions by Simpleton on the forum and some of the responses to him/her.
It has caused me to read again :the "Defining Features of Personality Disorders: Distorted Thinking Patterns by : Simone Hoermann, PHD, Corinne E. Zupanick, Psy.D and Mark Dombeck, PHD / Dec.5, 2013.
It makes for very interesting reading, and seeks to highlight certain behavior patterns that one might normally overlook; perhaps some of you might like to google it and read it for yourselves.
Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 12:33:18 GMT -5
Partaker, I understand what you are saying but feel it is a very slippery slope to go down when we diagnosis people on a public board. Where do you stop?
Every person on this board could be diagnosed as having a mental disorder if you want by the characteristics of most behavior patterns.
Every person could benefit from therapy because we all have difficulties with things from our past if we are HONEST.
You might not agree with what Simpleton has written but do you agree with everything Bert writes or the atheist's on the board who say there is no GOD. Are you going to diagnose them?
I am reacting strongly to this because when I left meeting I was told by a friend that she did not hold me responsible for leaving meeting because of my "mental illness".
My therapist was highly amused at the time. He used to read this board to get a better understand of the "religion" I had been apart of.
People who want to diagnose someone outside of a clinical setting usually do so to marginalize and discount the other person.
I have found some of what Simpleton has written to very distasteful to me, but I have also found much of what Bert post and what the atheist on the board post about there being no God to be distasteful also.
I read your post yesterday morning and it bothered me all day. I am making this post because it really bothers me that so many on here are so willing to dismiss the thought and words of others when they don't agree with them.
That is so much like the experience I have had with my family and the workers since I told them about my abuse as a child. That is so hurtful and demeaning.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 13:33:59 GMT -5
Partaker, Thanks for the post. I enjoyed reading the article. It's absolutely true that there are a high level of personality disorders among 2x2s. It has to be. How else can one explain the "My Way or the Highway" exclusivity of 2x2ism. I truly believe 2x2s are folks who have a higher than normal desire to be ruled by an authority figure. The desire to be ruled is a normal attribute of human sociology, as we are herd animals. However, that characteristic is normally distributed among the population, meaning that there are folks who exhibit it in very small degrees, while there are others with large exhibitions of it. Sadly, this characteristic is abused by certain groups - such as 2x2s.
I also believe that 2x2ism exploits another common human sociological characteristic - the need to feel part of a group (conformity). This trait is widely known and exploited by corporate marketing programs and public relations organizations. It is also widely exploited by some religious groups. Most unsettling about conformist dynamics is that the folks who do the enforcement are most frequently those folks who are not part of the inner core of the group. This is because the outer core members are trying to elevate their status to become inner core. Hence the high rates of snitching, gossip, and attacking of non-members.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 7, 2015 17:06:45 GMT -5
Partaker, Thanks for the post. I enjoyed reading the article. It's absolutely true that there are a high level of personality disorders among 2x2s. It has to be. How else can one explain the "My Way or the Highway" exclusivity of 2x2ism. I truly believe 2x2s are folks who have a higher than normal desire to be ruled by an authority figure. The desire to be ruled is a normal attribute of human sociology, as we are herd animals. However, that characteristic is normally distributed among the population, meaning that there are folks who exhibit it in very small degrees, while there are others with large exhibitions of it. Sadly, this characteristic is abused by certain groups - such as 2x2s. I also believe that 2x2ism exploits another common human sociological characteristic - the need to feel part of a group (conformity). This trait is widely known and exploited by corporate marketing programs and public relations organizations. It is also widely exploited by some religious groups. Most unsettling about conformist dynamics is that the folks who do the enforcement are most frequently those folks who are not part of the inner core of the group. This is because the outer core members are trying to elevate their status to become inner core. Hence the high rates of snitching, gossip, and attacking of non-members.
Yes, this trait is exploited by telling people that you either submit to the authority figure such as the Jesus Christ of Christianity, or you will go to hell. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 17:23:53 GMT -5
Partaker, Thanks for the post. I enjoyed reading the article. It's absolutely true that there are a high level of personality disorders among 2x2s. It has to be. How else can one explain the "My Way or the Highway" exclusivity of 2x2ism. I truly believe 2x2s are folks who have a higher than normal desire to be ruled by an authority figure. The desire to be ruled is a normal attribute of human sociology, as we are herd animals. However, that characteristic is normally distributed among the population, meaning that there are folks who exhibit it in very small degrees, while there are others with large exhibitions of it. Sadly, this characteristic is abused by certain groups - such as 2x2s. I also believe that 2x2ism exploits another common human sociological characteristic - the need to feel part of a group (conformity). This trait is widely known and exploited by corporate marketing programs and public relations organizations. It is also widely exploited by some religious groups. Most unsettling about conformist dynamics is that the folks who do the enforcement are most frequently those folks who are not part of the inner core of the group. This is because the outer core members are trying to elevate their status to become inner core. Hence the high rates of snitching, gossip, and attacking of non-members.
Yes, this trait is exploited by telling people that you either submit to the authority figure such as the Jesus Christ of Christianity, or you will go to hell.I think you have a very pedestrian understanding of Christianity. This is most common for atheists. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 7, 2015 17:51:10 GMT -5
Yes, -it is quite interesting to note that there is a common human sociological characteristic of a need to join a group, most often one that is so exclusive that there is no other way of belief or understanding of life & reality than their way. Yes, this trait is exploited by telling people that you either submit to the authority figure such as the Jesus Christ of Christianity, or you will go to hell. I think you have a very pedestrian understanding of Christianity. This is most common for atheists. |
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Post by partaker on Nov 7, 2015 17:54:19 GMT -5
Marie, I am sorry that you appear to have taken my post personal, I have not used the post reference to diagnose anyone, it is within my field of studies and I just thought the subject matter I referred to is very interesting and helps us to understand some human behaviour. I have not examined, or attempted to examine anyone remotely on this forum so I cannot diagnose anyone; I agree with you that it would be unwise, unfair and dangerous to do so. You have read more into it than is there. In point of
fact, I have enjoyed and do appreciate Simpleton's response.There appears to be some truth in it, so beware of the Simpleton's.
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Post by joanna on Nov 7, 2015 20:52:59 GMT -5
When a person does not consider the harm that could result when the young and likely rebellious teens read the immature methods intended to create maximum disturbance in meetings on one of those threads, they reveal a concerning lack of insight and a lack of regard for the harm which will ensue if young readers were to take the advice seriously.
To promote a world damaging religion such as roman catholicism whilst denigrating the 2x2 reveals either a person with a warped sense of the ridiculous or one whose thought processes are so skewed as to be in need of such anaylsis as you provided @partaker
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Post by Partaker on Nov 8, 2015 4:48:57 GMT -5
A very good and helpful response, Joanne, some folks tend to get themselves carried away with emotions, which also is understandable; it is not as simple a matter with easy answers as some seem to suggest. We are not perfect, and none is without sin, that reality come home to me forcefully as I advance in age, and meditate alone with God. Have a blessed day everyone.
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Post by joanna on Nov 9, 2015 19:34:30 GMT -5
It is concerning if people do present with signs of mental health issues. Facebook has a reporting mechanism intended to prevent self-harm or anti-social behaviors. Is there a similar mechanism if these were to present on forums such as this? This condition could be an explanation.  |
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Post by howitis on Nov 9, 2015 19:37:54 GMT -5
joanna remember those brought up as 2x2's remain in an 'infantile mental state' according to the professor of Anglo Catholicism!!
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 9, 2015 21:12:30 GMT -5
It is concerning if people do present with signs of mental health issues. Facebook has a reporting mechanism intended to prevent self-harm or anti-social behaviors. Is there a similar mechanism if these were to present on forums such as this? This condition could be an explanation. , just curious what your experience has been with people who do have Bi-Polar ? |
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Post by Partaker on Nov 10, 2015 4:17:04 GMT -5
A very interesting topic, but some folks have been so damaged by their past experiences within the fellowship that they are likely to take some factual but innocent comments personal and internalize and enterpret them as personal attacks, so I am not going to go there anymore. However it would be interesting to follow the comment and contributions made by others.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 9:22:51 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing that any of you REALLY care about the mental health of others on this board. If you did you would not put it out there for everyone to see. You would develop a relationship with that person and then try to guide them to help.
Partaker, You were making a personal attack on Simpleton when you started this tread. To deny that is just ridiculous.
Joanna, maybe you should go read the characteristics for mental disorders. I am sure you would find you exhibit a lot of those characteristics. Look at the cognitive symptoms you posted. Do you ever have any of those symptoms? Maybe you should show some compassion instead of judgement.
Don't tell me how to respond to this tread or any tread.
When you have been hurt by a system who love to label others for their own gain it is pretty hard not to respond.
I do not hide the damage done to me by abuse, but to be abused again years later by a system because I have been willing to speak out and share the effects of abuse on me, is something I will be SILENT about.
Maybe I react too strongly but there are a lot of hurting people out there with no one to stand up for them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 11:35:04 GMT -5
A very interesting topic, but some folks have been so damaged by their past experiences within the fellowship that they are likely to take some factual but innocent comments personal and internalize and enterpret them as personal attacks, so I am not going to go there anymore. However it would be interesting to follow the comment and contributions made by others. You are correct Partaker. The problem is that your comments on this thread have been just vague enough that the comments can be interpreted by pro2x2 and anti2x2 forces as being in favor of both their camps. I personally know that is not what you intended, but rather that you intended to avoid naming people directly and thus calling their wrath down upon you as well. Even the title of your thread gives away what you real thoughts are. But as you said, it's very hard for each side to see the subtleness of what you are truly getting at. Please do continue enjoying the psyc demo I have enabled. And please remember that much of this neurotic behavior is system driven. |
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Post by Partaker on Nov 10, 2015 14:17:36 GMT -5
Simpleton, I don't know who you really are, but let me say this : I think that you are darn good, suttle, but a deep thinker and a clever analyst, I must hand it to you. I really mean that.
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Post by Partaker on Nov 10, 2015 16:04:44 GMT -5
The golden rule applies to all of us, I think.
Marie you have made unfair personal attacks on myself and on Joanna too; as far as I am aware, simpleton has not complained, so why should you; neither Joanna nor myself have made any disparaging remarks about you or references to you personally as far as I am aware, so maybe you do indeed react too strongly about matters that do not personally point and relate to you,
All we have done is to highlight information that is out there to inform and educate readers of certain signs and behaviour of people with certain illnesses. By highlighting the signs etc. Does not mean that we don't care about the victims; if anything it helps us to understand and sympathise with the victims and be compassionionate.
It will not serve any useful purpose you raving and ranting at us; sorry if we have offended you.
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Post by howitis on Nov 10, 2015 16:21:04 GMT -5
On another thread it appears 2x2's are sinners, with 8 sins........not sure about @simpleton who obviously reads a very different bible to most, where it clearly states 'all have sinned and come short of the glory of God...', so pleased we have a loving Saviour in Jesus!!!
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Post by Partaker on Nov 10, 2015 17:28:25 GMT -5
I am not sure how many sins we have, but I know that we are not perfect, and that we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, I also believe that Jesus died that our sins may be forgiven. He paid a debt for us that He did not owe. That is my belief and conviction anyway. I judge no one, I leave judgment to God, the righteous judge.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 10, 2015 18:29:21 GMT -5
Simpleton, I don't know who you really are, but let me say this : I think that you are darn good, suttle, but a deep thinker and a clever analyst, I must hand it to you. I really mean that. Partaker. 
a "deep thinker?" 
"clever analyst?" 
You are joking, right? 
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Post by joanna on Nov 10, 2015 18:48:16 GMT -5
Roselyn my experience with those living with bi-polar affective disorder is consistent with the information in the above link. The reference to bi-polar disorder is merely a consideration which may or may not be an explanation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 18:52:22 GMT -5
Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28am simpleton said:
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Nov 6, 2015 at 4:54am honestabe said:
Yeah, you don't seem bitter at all. Such a noble mission you are on.
Thanks honestabe. I'm not really on a mission. I'll leave this board soon. There isn't much here of interest. Just thought I would pop in and offer some help to anyone who might need it.
Hope Simpleton keeps this promise sometime soon. Deeply regret telling him to go on TMB, big mistake, sorry folks. There is no place for a simple old man like me, I am not at the same intellect level. For the time being I will take a holiday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 18:58:50 GMT -5
Simpleton, re PM, unable to understand Latin, have a battle with English. Goodbye.
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Post by howitis on Nov 10, 2015 19:13:14 GMT -5
Bye @redback, please come back soon!
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Post by howitis on Nov 10, 2015 19:36:11 GMT -5
On November 9 at 11.44am @simpleton said:
Please don't worry yourselves over such a small matter. I will be gone soon enough. Frankly, it's too boring in here. Not enough humor. It's basically meeting all over again.
Maybe this will come to fruition.....who knows?? For someone who didn't like meetings he/she seems quite obsessed!!
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 11, 2015 0:59:42 GMT -5
Wow its a pity some of you didn't re-act the same way to Mr @review005 !
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Post by howitis on Nov 11, 2015 1:03:46 GMT -5
You've made your feelings pretty clear on here Roselyn T, is it wrong of @redback to do the same? |
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 11, 2015 1:07:04 GMT -5
You've made your feelings pretty clear on here Roselyn T, is it wrong of @redback to do the same? I wasn't talking about @redback in general ! Also no one can answer the question ! For the last few days you have been very vocal about "feeding the troll" but when it was @review005 the word "troll" was never mentioned. As I have said so many times I do not agree with everything @simpleton has said, but he has raised so good points that no one seems to want to answer. |
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