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Post by howitis on Nov 19, 2015 5:19:06 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Nov 19, 2015 8:35:23 GMT -5
It almost sounds like you are trying to make a point. Or am I reading too much into these remarks and the ones in the following post? I can't speak for Dennis, he may be fading health- wise like many of us, but I think that he is a very intelligent man and he most likely is trying to make a valid point based on his experiences on this forum. I would hoped if he were going to make a point he would do so directly.That is why I posed the question. On the other hand, it is difficult to address guilt by implication.I am sure that once Dennis explains this will be the case. |
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Post by Partaker on Nov 19, 2015 9:46:57 GMT -5
"I would hope if he were going to make a point he would do so directl"
Perhaps he has chosen not to do so for reasons best known to himself, and that is his prerogative. It might please/satisfy him To avoid elaborating into painful details especially at this time when he is already suffering physical pain. Well that is my opinion anyway, I could be wrong.
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Post by pianoman2 on Nov 19, 2015 14:17:32 GMT -5
I don't come here to this board much anymore. As with many, when I left meetings, I went through all the emotions, anger, feeling deceived and the whole range of emotions that are included.
I have always tried to represent myself in an honest manner and I know that from my experience in "social media" that many people that lack in substance can make up a life that builds them up either to others or themselves. I am very aware of the things I lack in life but feel that I have accepted what I am and who I am. I hope that in these posts that we can keep it real and not embellish our lives and create things that make us more than we are or take away from that basic honesty we need to deal with the life we have had and what we have done with it or in it.
I have recently gotten involved in the "music scene" here in Southwest Washington State. I have gone out to "jam sessions" where I have met a great bunch of people. In my 57 plus years of playing music, I have come to a certain level of accomplishment in my level of ability. When invited out to play, I simply showed up and without telling of my own thoughts of how well I played, I just showed up, and played to the level that I am able to play. I mention this because it was a wonderful and humbling process for me. I have made many good friends and I really have to say that my attitude, which I have really been working on in these last three or four years, was the key to what I am now enjoying. I didn't name drop or have to talk myself up, I just showed up and played my best.
The compliments I have received and the response to my playing has been so refreshing as I felt like I played well enough for a person of my years of experience, but the most rewarding things was that my new found friends complimented me on my attitude about my playing. They tell me that they appreciate my level of playing and tell me that they think I am extremely talented in what I do. This humbles me in that I feel like there is so much I lack and so much I would love to learn or be able to do and I am grateful that even though I am considered "one of the best musicians around", I don't feel like it is what I play, but the feeling and level of comfort that I have in playing with other really good musicians and not encountering a lot of ego in the process. I know this probably sounds like I am "tooting my own horn" (pun not intended) but it is something real that I have experienced in working with others with great talent and for the few that do "name drop" and talk up what they have done and how great they have been, show me that it really is a sad state of affairs when one has to "talk themselves up" due to feelings of inadequacy. The ones that talk most about their accomplishments or who they know or have played with are usually the ones that are not so accomplished and do not draw people to them, due to the ego and the talking rather than the walking.
To try to get my point across, regarding the OP, we all have our strengths and weaknesses. If we learn to be honest with ourselves, we can truly learn to deal with those things in life that lift us up, or drag us down. I have learned that by embracing those that have healthy and real prospectives on their lives, and removing or distancing myself with those that are not being honest with themselves, it allows me to look at myself in a more realistic manner. I have failed greatly and am not proud of many things in my life, however I am also grateful for those things that keep me honest and real about who I am and where I am. I have learned that in accepting myself with my strengths and weaknesses, I can work on those things I see in my life as needing attention, and just enjoy the process of moving forward in my life.
I have learned great lessons in how to be grounded and how that affects those in my life. I value highly that I can have my thoughts or positions on certain subjects and in having that ability, I have come to the realization that it is imperative that I allow those around me to be able to have their own convictions and if I can respect that in them, they will respect that in me. I won't try to impose my convictions on those I love or hold dear to me, and I enjoy that they don't try to impose anything on me. For me, this has been a difficult process as in certain things, I was so immovable. Since I have learned that just being me and letting others be themselves, they can be honest with me and I can be honest with them. That removes judgement of them or me, and allows a freedom I have sought to have in my life all along.
I guess, summing it up here, I am not a good fit at coming on here for discussion as each one such as Simpleton and others are going through a process of some sort and I choose not to get caught up in trying to "fix" others as I have a full time job maintaining what I have come to learn about having the "live and let live" process go on in my life. I simply seek out those that are beneficial to my thinking and step back from those that do not edify me.
I probably won't be making much more posts, but I am glad to have had this experience and now I move on with the positives from this and all experiences embedded in my life and allowing me to have peace that was hard to come by but so wonderful to be able to achiebv and enjoy.
Nope, I am not perfect and have many faults but I choose to focus on positive things instead.
I hope this will make a point somewhere and let people know that it is alright to just live your life and let others live their lives.....Dale
don't let your dogma get run over by your karma...
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Post by Gene on Nov 19, 2015 19:31:42 GMT -5
I don't come here to this board much anymore. As with many, when I left meetings, I went through all the emotions, anger, feeling deceived and the whole range of emotions that are included. I have always tried to represent myself in an honest manner and I know that from my experience in "social media" that many people that lack in substance can make up a life that builds them up either to others or themselves. I am very aware of the things I lack in life but feel that I have accepted what I am and who I am. I hope that in these posts that we can keep it real and not embellish our lives and create things that make us more than we are or take away from that basic honesty we need to deal with the life we have had and what we have done with it or in it. I have recently gotten involved in the "music scene" here in Southwest Washington State. I have gone out to "jam sessions" where I have met a great bunch of people. In my 57 plus years of playing music, I have come to a certain level of accomplishment in my level of ability. When invited out to play, I simply showed up and without telling of my own thoughts of how well I played, I just showed up, and played to the level that I am able to play. I mention this because it was a wonderful and humbling process for me. I have made many good friends and I really have to say that my attitude, which I have really been working on in these last three or four years, was the key to what I am now enjoying. I didn't name drop or have to talk myself up, I just showed up and played my best. The compliments I have received and the response to my playing has been so refreshing as I felt like I played well enough for a person of my years of experience, but the most rewarding things was that my new found friends complimented me on my attitude about my playing. They tell me that they appreciate my level of playing and tell me that they think I am extremely talented in what I do. This humbles me in that I feel like there is so much I lack and so much I would love to learn or be able to do and I am grateful that even though I am considered "one of the best musicians around", I don't feel like it is what I play, but the feeling and level of comfort that I have in playing with other really good musicians and not encountering a lot of ego in the process. I know this probably sounds like I am "tooting my own horn" (pun not intended) but it is something real that I have experienced in working with others with great talent and for the few that do "name drop" and talk up what they have done and how great they have been, show me that it really is a sad state of affairs when one has to "talk themselves up" due to feelings of inadequacy. The ones that talk most about their accomplishments or who they know or have played with are usually the ones that are not so accomplished and do not draw people to them, due to the ego and the talking rather than the walking. To try to get my point across, regarding the OP, we all have our strengths and weaknesses. If we learn to be honest with ourselves, we can truly learn to deal with those things in life that lift us up, or drag us down. I have learned that by embracing those that have healthy and real prospectives on their lives, and removing or distancing myself with those that are not being honest with themselves, it allows me to look at myself in a more realistic manner. I have failed greatly and am not proud of many things in my life, however I am also grateful for those things that keep me honest and real about who I am and where I am. I have learned that in accepting myself with my strengths and weaknesses, I can work on those things I see in my life as needing attention, and just enjoy the process of moving forward in my life. I have learned great lessons in how to be grounded and how that affects those in my life. I value highly that I can have my thoughts or positions on certain subjects and in having that ability, I have come to the realization that it is imperative that I allow those around me to be able to have their own convictions and if I can respect that in them, they will respect that in me. I won't try to impose my convictions on those I love or hold dear to me, and I enjoy that they don't try to impose anything on me. For me, this has been a difficult process as in certain things, I was so immovable. Since I have learned that just being me and letting others be themselves, they can be honest with me and I can be honest with them. That removes judgement of them or me, and allows a freedom I have sought to have in my life all along. I guess, summing it up here, I am not a good fit at coming on here for discussion as each one such as Simpleton and others are going through a process of some sort and I choose not to get caught up in trying to "fix" others as I have a full time job maintaining what I have come to learn about having the "live and let live" process go on in my life. I simply seek out those that are beneficial to my thinking and step back from those that do not edify me. I probably won't be making much more posts, but I am glad to have had this experience and now I move on with the positives from this and all experiences embedded in my life and allowing me to have peace that was hard to come by but so wonderful to be able to achiebv and enjoy. Nope, I am not perfect and have many faults but I choose to focus on positive things instead. I hope this will make a point somewhere and let people know that it is alright to just live your life and let others live their lives.....Dale don't let your dogma get run over by your karma... Good to hear from you, Dale. Thanks for sharing your story. Peace - Gene |
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 19, 2015 22:09:17 GMT -5
I don't come here to this board much anymore. As with many, when I left meetings, I went through all the emotions, anger, feeling deceived and the whole range of emotions that are included. I have always tried to represent myself in an honest manner and I know that from my experience in "social media" that many people that lack in substance can make up a life that builds them up either to others or themselves. I am very aware of the things I lack in life but feel that I have accepted what I am and who I am. I hope that in these posts that we can keep it real and not embellish our lives and create things that make us more than we are or take away from that basic honesty we need to deal with the life we have had and what we have done with it or in it. I have recently gotten involved in the "music scene" here in Southwest Washington State. I have gone out to "jam sessions" where I have met a great bunch of people. In my 57 plus years of playing music, I have come to a certain level of accomplishment in my level of ability. When invited out to play, I simply showed up and without telling of my own thoughts of how well I played, I just showed up, and played to the level that I am able to play. I mention this because it was a wonderful and humbling process for me. I have made many good friends and I really have to say that my attitude, which I have really been working on in these last three or four years, was the key to what I am now enjoying. I didn't name drop or have to talk myself up, I just showed up and played my best. The compliments I have received and the response to my playing has been so refreshing as I felt like I played well enough for a person of my years of experience, but the most rewarding things was that my new found friends complimented me on my attitude about my playing. They tell me that they appreciate my level of playing and tell me that they think I am extremely talented in what I do. This humbles me in that I feel like there is so much I lack and so much I would love to learn or be able to do and I am grateful that even though I am considered "one of the best musicians around", I don't feel like it is what I play, but the feeling and level of comfort that I have in playing with other really good musicians and not encountering a lot of ego in the process. I know this probably sounds like I am "tooting my own horn" (pun not intended) but it is something real that I have experienced in working with others with great talent and for the few that do "name drop" and talk up what they have done and how great they have been, show me that it really is a sad state of affairs when one has to "talk themselves up" due to feelings of inadequacy. The ones that talk most about their accomplishments or who they know or have played with are usually the ones that are not so accomplished and do not draw people to them, due to the ego and the talking rather than the walking. To try to get my point across, regarding the OP, we all have our strengths and weaknesses. If we learn to be honest with ourselves, we can truly learn to deal with those things in life that lift us up, or drag us down. I have learned that by embracing those that have healthy and real prospectives on their lives, and removing or distancing myself with those that are not being honest with themselves, it allows me to look at myself in a more realistic manner. I have failed greatly and am not proud of many things in my life, however I am also grateful for those things that keep me honest and real about who I am and where I am. I have learned that in accepting myself with my strengths and weaknesses, I can work on those things I see in my life as needing attention, and just enjoy the process of moving forward in my life. I have learned great lessons in how to be grounded and how that affects those in my life. I value highly that I can have my thoughts or positions on certain subjects and in having that ability, I have come to the realization that it is imperative that I allow those around me to be able to have their own convictions and if I can respect that in them, they will respect that in me. I won't try to impose my convictions on those I love or hold dear to me, and I enjoy that they don't try to impose anything on me. For me, this has been a difficult process as in certain things, I was so immovable. Since I have learned that just being me and letting others be themselves, they can be honest with me and I can be honest with them. That removes judgement of them or me, and allows a freedom I have sought to have in my life all along. I guess, summing it up here, I am not a good fit at coming on here for discussion as each one such as Simpleton and others are going through a process of some sort and I choose not to get caught up in trying to "fix" others as I have a full time job maintaining what I have come to learn about having the "live and let live" process go on in my life. I simply seek out those that are beneficial to my thinking and step back from those that do not edify me. I probably won't be making much more posts, but I am glad to have had this experience and now I move on with the positives from this and all experiences embedded in my life and allowing me to have peace that was hard to come by but so wonderful to be able to achiebv and enjoy. Nope, I am not perfect and have many faults but I choose to focus on positive things instead. I hope this will make a point somewhere and let people know that it is alright to just live your life and let others live their lives.....Dale don't let your dogma get run over by your karma...
Thank you for the benefit of the lessons that all of us can learn from you.
Best wishes and Cheers to you in the future. |
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Post by emy on Nov 20, 2015 17:16:18 GMT -5
Hi, pianoman/Dale! Good to see you here - and nice post.  |
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Post by Partaker on Nov 21, 2015 5:43:52 GMT -5
I have wondered about recent references to "rats" in light of the fact that some of the same commenters have routinely referred to rational as "rats" and have routinely taken pot shots at atheists on this board. It hardly takes a "guilty conscience" to see the possibility of a connection. Intelligence sometimes coincides with wisdom and insight. Not always. Let me make it absolutely clear to everyone here, my mention of "rat" in my postings above has not connection with or reference to "rational" a poster on this forum. I have never ever referred to "rational" as "rats" in any of my postings on this forum. My references to rats in my postings above is meant to be an idiom as in "I smell a "rat" or something like The other idiom: "something smells fishy." I personally was not taking a pot shot at any atheists in my posting, that was far from my mind. However it is part of our human nature to internalise, interpret and read into situations, things that are not actually there, maybe due to sensativity?? Partaker |
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Post by matisse on Nov 21, 2015 7:39:28 GMT -5
I have wondered about recent references to "rats" in light of the fact that some of the same commenters have routinely referred to rational as "rats" and have routinely taken pot shots at atheists on this board. It hardly takes a "guilty conscience" to see the possibility of a connection. Intelligence sometimes coincides with wisdom and insight. Not always. Let me make it absolutely clear to everyone here, my mention of "rat" in my postings above has not connection with or reference to "rational" a poster on this forum. I have never ever referred to "rational" as "rats" in any of my postings on this forum. My references to rats in my postings above is meant to be an idiom as in "I smell a "rat" or something like The other idiom: "something smells fishy." I personally was not taking a pot shot at any atheists in my posting, that was far from my mind. However it is part of our human nature to internalise, interpret and read into situations, things that are not actually there, maybe due to sensativity?? Partaker You were not the inspiration for my post. (I said "some" not all) Another poster who made references to rats and rat droppings was my main inspiration. |
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Post by rational on Nov 21, 2015 8:12:07 GMT -5
Let me make it absolutely clear to everyone here, my mention of "rat" in my postings above has not connection with or reference to "rational" a poster on this forum. I have never ever referred to "rational" as "rats" in any of my postings on this forum. My references to rats in my postings above is meant to be an idiom as in "I smell a "rat" or something like The other idiom: "something smells fishy." I personally was not taking a pot shot at any atheists in my posting, that was far from my mind. However it is part of our human nature to internalise, interpret and read into situations, things that are not actually there, maybe due to sensativity?? Partaker You were not the inspiration for my post. (I said "some" not all) Another poster who made references to rats and rat droppings was my main inspiration. I am sure that poster will make themselves clear when they are able. |
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Post by Partaker on Nov 21, 2015 9:49:28 GMT -5
Let me make it absolutely clear to everyone here, my mention of "rat" in my postings above has not connection with or reference to "rational" a poster on this forum. I have never ever referred to "rational" as "rats" in any of my postings on this forum. My references to rats in my postings above is meant to be an idiom as in "I smell a "rat" or something like The other idiom: "something smells fishy." I personally was not taking a pot shot at any atheists in my posting, that was far from my mind. However it is part of our human nature to internalise, interpret and read into situations, things that are not actually there, maybe due to sensativity?? Partaker You were not the inspiration for my post. (I said "some" not all) Another poster who made references to rats and rat droppings was my main inspiration. Thank you for the clarification, it bothered me because I was the first to mention about a rat when I said that I have an ability to smell a rat a mile away. Peace and best wishes to one and all. Partaker. |
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Post by Gene on Nov 21, 2015 10:28:06 GMT -5
Let me make it absolutely clear to everyone here, my mention of "rat" in my postings above has not connection with or reference to "rational" a poster on this forum. I have never ever referred to "rational" as "rats" in any of my postings on this forum. My references to rats in my postings above is meant to be an idiom as in "I smell a "rat" or something like The other idiom: "something smells fishy." I personally was not taking a pot shot at any atheists in my posting, that was far from my mind. However it is part of our human nature to internalise, interpret and read into situations, things that are not actually there, maybe due to sensativity?? Partaker You were not the inspiration for my post. (I said "some" not all) Another poster who made references to rats and rat droppings was my main inspiration. I regularly refer to our rakish resident rational raconteur as "Rats" -- but from a particularly positive perspective, personally! |
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Post by matisse on Nov 21, 2015 11:54:01 GMT -5
You were not the inspiration for my post. (I said "some" not all) Another poster who made references to rats and rat droppings was my main inspiration. I regularly refer to our rakish resident rational raconteur as "Rats" -- but from a particularly positive perspective, personally! Yes, I interpret your use of "Rats" as a term of endearment! |
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Post by Zman on Dec 13, 2015 3:05:15 GMT -5
please take what I am about to post as an honest plea to improve sane and effective debate.
For a long time I believe Nathan has been "egged on" and encouraged to post on his wild and unprovable theories of Venus etc
He obviously needs care and assistance in his struggle to adapt to a halt way house between professing people and others.
Please do not encourage him to post these long, silly posts which do nothing to enhance his or others religious beliefs.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 13, 2015 3:49:49 GMT -5
please take what I am about to post as an honest plea to improve sane and effective debate. For a long time I believe Nathan has been "egged on" and encouraged to post on his wild and unprovable theories of Venus etc He obviously needs care and assistance in his struggle to adapt to a halt way house between professing people and others. Please do not encourage him to post these long, silly posts which do nothing to enhance his or others religious beliefs.
Do you know anyway to "dis-courage" him other than to put him on ignore?
I agree he needs '"needs care and assistance," but how can you get him to accept it?
He is so into denial that until he accepts he needs help how can you help him? |
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Post by Zman (edit) on Dec 13, 2015 5:13:37 GMT -5
please take what I am about to post as an honest plea to improve sane and effective debate. For a long time I believe Nathan has been "egged on" and encouraged to post on his wild and unprovable theories of Venus etc He obviously needs care and assistance in his struggle to adapt to a half way house between professing people and others. Please do not encourage him to post these long, silly posts which do nothing to enhance his or others religious beliefs.
Do you know anyway to "dis-courage" him other than to put him on ignore?
I agree he needs '"needs care and assistance," but how can you get him to accept it?
He is so into denial that until he accepts he needs help how can you help him? |
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Post by xna on Dec 13, 2015 11:39:29 GMT -5
please take what I am about to post as an honest plea to improve sane and effective debate. For a long time I believe Nathan has been "egged on" and encouraged to post on his wild and unprovable theories of Venus etc He obviously needs care and assistance in his struggle to adapt to a halt way house between professing people and others. Please do not encourage him to post these long, silly posts which do nothing to enhance his or others religious beliefs. In defense of Nathan ... Who can show which sincerely held religious supernatural belief is more true than another?
It seems to me that Nathan's sincerely held supernatural religious beliefs deserve just as much respect as any other sincerely held supernatural religious belief. While Nathan's vision may be different than another's, they are just as sincerely held, if not more so. For me, I remain skeptical until there is good evidence & good reasons to believe any such supernatural claims. If any claim is made about the natural world which can be falsified, then it too is open to examination, and if found false then to ridicule. Such is the case for hollow earth.
Who can show which man's revelations of the supernatural is more valid as another?
For example just start with the most basic question of; what was the nature of Jesus? There are different views, and each have garnered hundreds of thousands of followers, each sincerely hold their supernatural religious belief. In the absence of empirical evidence, what makes one man’s revelation more true than another? Can you decide based on how bizarre the revelations is? I think not. Consider these claims. Which is more likely to be true? All are sincerely held supernatural religious beliefs each with a multitude of followers. Klob, is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of god. Space aliens breeding with humans on earth The woman & the dragon in Revelations The killing of millions of aliens by Xenu Talking snake. Natural life is an illusion
Flying Jesus AUM, the most holy sound Flying horse Dead rising & walking Everlasting life Salvation is achieved through escaping reincarnation
Noah’s ark and worldwide flood I find it ironic that some of the religious here try to reason Nathan out of a particular supernatural belief, yet they hold on to their own particular supernatural belief without any greater proof that theirs is true, nor do they use the same reason on their own particular supernatural beliefs. In short, look at your own unsupported supernatural beliefs before you condemn Nathan for his supernatural beliefs. Of the 41,000 & counting, different denominations, none hold the exact same supernatural beliefs. One guy finds his own special mix, and then if he is able to convince enough followers, a denomination is born. To me it's all drag on human progress. JMT |
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Post by openingact34 on Dec 13, 2015 12:50:19 GMT -5
It seems to me that Nathan's sincerely held supernatural religious beliefs deserve just as much respect as any other sincerely held supernatural religious belief. While Nathan's vision may be different than another's, they are just as sincerely held, if not more so. I agree. The Bible says that: "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams" Making seemingly bizarre predictions of the future and incomprehensible theories of the universe around us might feel uncomfortable to some, but it is closer to Biblical practice than the pagan logic and reason that many of his fellow church members are trying to employ. Seems to me that he is busy prophesying for you. I have to seriously question whether these religious critics are really playing for the right team. The Bible doesn't say that "your sons and daughters will gather evidence, your young men shall learn how to reason, and your old men shall apply the scientific method to uncover the secrets of the universe" |
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Post by xna on Dec 13, 2015 15:22:58 GMT -5
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Post by Zman on Dec 14, 2015 5:58:01 GMT -5
N barker has too much spare time and I have given him another platform.
I am a dill.
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Post by Partaker on Dec 14, 2015 9:15:40 GMT -5
N barker has too much spare time and I have given him another platform. I am a dill. Probabably a good decision. This world we live in is made up of all kinds of individuals, with differing strengths, weaknesses, views, perceptions, beliefs, peculiarities and understandings/misunderstandings of life and things within life; I say "live and let live," we can agree or we can respectfully beg to disagree, but we should try to avoid stifling/ snuffing out another's light. Patience and tolerance are virtues; just my opinion for what it's worth, anyway. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 14, 2015 17:45:36 GMT -5
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Post by faune on Dec 14, 2015 23:03:28 GMT -5
Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28am simpleton said: honestabe Avatar Nov 6, 2015 at 4:54am honestabe said: Yeah, you don't seem bitter at all. Such a noble mission you are on. Thanks honestabe. I'm not really on a mission. I'll leave this board soon. There isn't much here of interest. Just thought I would pop in and offer some help to anyone who might need it. Hope Simpleton keeps this promise sometime soon. Deeply regret telling him to go on TMB, big mistake, sorry folks. There is no place for a simple old man like me, I am not at the same intellect level. For the time being I will take a holiday. ~ But, Simpleton claims to female and has an avatar which gives that impression? Could it be we have been conned through misrepresentation?  Hopefully, you will come back after a holiday and join us again? I really would miss you cool sense of humor and keen wit! Happy trails to you, Redback!  |
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Post by Partaker on Dec 15, 2015 2:39:53 GMT -5
Thanks Bob for this, it seems to highlight what I have tried to demonstrate in my posting above; here we see that not even scientists can totally agree on everything/ pronouncements made by their fellow scientists in the scientific world. However it does not mean that they have not got the right to express their opinions based on their undestanding and perceptions of the way they assess any particular situation. They may be proven wrong eventually, but they have a right to express their professional opinions; no one is absolutely perfect all the time. They do misinterpret/misunderstand and miscalculate from time to time, like all human beings do. In some ways we can be simpletons, from time to time. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 15, 2015 3:23:52 GMT -5
Thanks Bob for this, it seems to highlight what I have tried to demonstrate in my posting above; here we see that not even scientists can totally agree on everything/ pronouncements made by their fellow scientists in the scientific world. However it does not mean that they have not got the right to express their opinions based on their undestanding and perceptions of the way they assess any particular situation. They may be proven wrong eventually, but they have a right to express their professional opinions; no one is absolutely perfect all the time. They do misinterpret/misunderstand and miscalculate from time to time, like all human beings do. In some ways we can be simpletons, from time to time.
How did that article show that "not even scientists can totally agree on everything."
WHAT scientists?
WHAT scientist expressed fears that a solar energy farm would "cause cancer, stop plants from growing and suck up all the energy from the sun."
Was it the the so-called Retired science teacher Jane Mann?
You are kidding!
Right?
(I do hope her students have learned science from somewhere else besides what they learned from her!)
It is hard believe anyone would be that ignorant nor any town council could be that stupid either.
It would actually be hilarious, rolling-on-the-floor hilarious,  if it wasn't that we have a science teacher & a town council making those kinds of decisions affecting our very important energy problems. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 15, 2015 3:58:48 GMT -5
Thanks Bob for this, it seems to highlight what I have tried to demonstrate in my posting above; here we see that not even scientists can totally agree on everything/ pronouncements made by their fellow scientists in the scientific world. You think that science teacher was a scientist?  You know, I was once offered a job teaching high school Spanish, before I'd ever learned anything more than "Hasta la vista baby." But I was smart enough to know I would only make a complete fool of myself by trying. That science teacher was too stupid to even know what a fool he/she was making of him/herself. What it DOES mean is that any idiot DOES have the right to have his opinions, based on his virtually illiterate undestanding and perceptions of the way they assess any particular situation, taken seriously by elected government officials. In that case I have a right to tell dentists how to pull teeth. No, no one is perfect all the time, but stupid is ALWAYS stupid. Smart people know that. How about most of the time if they don't know what they're talking about? And sometimes simpletons can be right, but taking their advice is unpredictable and foolhardy. In what other part of the world to people believe that incompetent advice must me honored? ? |
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Post by Partaker on Dec 15, 2015 4:45:16 GMT -5
Like I have said above, at some point in life we can all become a simpleton,So Bob and @dimmichgood I rest my case.
Take it or leave it.My best wishe to you both.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 15, 2015 5:14:28 GMT -5
Thanks Bob for this, it seems to highlight what I have tried to demonstrate in my posting above; here we see that not even scientists can totally agree on everything/ pronouncements made by their fellow scientists in the scientific world. However it does not mean that they have not got the right to express their opinions based on their undestanding and perceptions of the way they assess any particular situation. They may be proven wrong eventually, but they have a right to express their professional opinions; no one is absolutely perfect all the time. They do misinterpret/misunderstand and miscalculate from time to time, like all human beings do. In some ways we can be simpletons, from time to time.
How did that article show that "not even scientists can totally agree on everything."
WHAT scientists?
WHAT scientist expressed fears that a solar energy farm would "cause cancer, stop plants from growing and suck up all the energy from the sun."
Was it the the so-called Retired science teacher Jane Mann?
You are kidding!
Right?
(I do hope her students have learned science from somewhere else besides what they learned from her!)
It is hard believe anyone would be that ignorant nor any town council could be that stupid either.
It would actually be hilarious, rolling-on-the-floor hilarious, if it wasn't that we have a science teacher & a town council making those kinds of decisions affecting our very important energy problems.Who is he?  Or is it a she?? |
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Hopefully, you will come back after a holiday and join us again? I really would miss you cool sense of humor and keen wit! Happy trails to you, Redback! 
if it wasn't that we have a science teacher & a town council making those kinds of decisions affecting our very important energy problems.
You know, I was once offered a job teaching high school Spanish, before I'd ever learned anything more than "Hasta la vista baby." But I was smart enough to know I would only make a complete fool of myself by trying. That science teacher was too stupid to even know what a fool he/she was making of him/herself.
Or is it a she??