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Post by Partaker on Dec 15, 2015 5:30:35 GMT -5
Now please, wait one minute! How did that article show that "not even scientists can totally agree on everything."
WHAT scientists? WHAT scientist expressed fears that a solar energy farm would "cause cancer, stop plants from growing and suck up all the energy from the sun."
Was it the the so-called Retired science teacher Jane Mann?
You are kidding! Right? (I do hope her students have learned science from somewhere else besides what they learned from her!)
It is hard believe anyone would be that ignorant nor any town council could be that stupid either. It would actually be hilarious, rolling-on-the-floor hilarious, if it wasn't that we have a science teacher & a town council making those kinds of decisions affecting our very important energy problems. Who is he? Or is it a she?? That is a very good question, we don't know enough about the person, or his/her qualifications. I automatically assumed, took it for granted, that the individual was indeed a scientist of some kind based on his/her pronouncements.
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Post by rational on Dec 15, 2015 15:02:20 GMT -5
That is a very good question, we don't know enough about the person, or his/her qualifications. I automatically assumed, took it for granted, that the individual was indeed a scientist of some kind based on his/her pronouncements. I don't know the individual but if the claim that solar farms would suck up all the energy from the sun is accurate do his/her qualifications matter?
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Post by Partaker on Dec 15, 2015 16:31:47 GMT -5
That is a very good question, we don't know enough about the person, or his/her qualifications. I automatically assumed, took it for granted, that the individual was indeed a scientist of some kind based on his/her pronouncements. I don't know the individual but if the claim that solar farms would suck up all the energy from the sun is accurate do his/her qualifications matter? The short answer is yes it does matter because it would appear to set him/her apart from some other scientists if he/she is indeed qualified. That is the original point that I was making that some scientists like other folks do disagree from time to time.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 15, 2015 17:21:31 GMT -5
Who is he? Or is it a she?? That is a very good question, we don't know enough about the person, or his/her qualifications. I automatically assumed, took it for granted, that the individual was indeed a scientist of some kind based on his/her pronouncements. I was asking dmmichgood who YOU are.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 15, 2015 17:26:08 GMT -5
I don't know the individual but if the claim that solar farms would suck up all the energy from the sun is accurate do his/her qualifications matter? The short answer is yes it does matter because it would appear to set him/her apart from some other scientists if he/she is indeed qualified. That is the original point that I was making that some scientists like other folks do disagree from time to time. But what YOU don't seem to understand is that even the DUMBEST of scientists wouldn't believe that solar panels even "suck" energy. What was wrong with the "expert" advice that the same council heard, that they decided not to believe it.
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Post by Partaker on Dec 16, 2015 4:19:15 GMT -5
Well, it seems to me that the "fault/blame" lies with the council that failed to believe it for whatever reasons. I am not a scientist myself nor am I a medical doctor,so I would have to be guided by scientists and doctors who are trained and qualified in their particular fields; however, if there is lingering doubt in my mind about something, I would certainly get a second or even a third opinion, just to be on the safe side.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 16, 2015 21:07:29 GMT -5
Well, it seems to me that the "fault/blame" lies with the council that failed to believe it for whatever reasons. I am not a scientist myself nor am I a medical doctor,so I would have to be guided by scientists and doctors who are trained and qualified in their particular fields; however, if there is lingering doubt in my mind about something, I would certainly get a second or even a third opinion, just to be on the safe side. You are missing the point.
Does ANYONE, ANYONE with any ability to think at all, scientist or doctor or ANY knowledgeable person at all, believe that solar panels could even remotely "soak" up the sun and thus deplete the power of the sun ?
For the love of all that is reasonable, just plain sensible; -would you take just take even a second & stop & think about it! Here is the article: Solar Farm Rejected Amid Fears It Will 'Suck Up The Sun's Energy' Residents were concerned it would stop plants from growing and cause cancer. Lee Moran Trends Editor, The Huffington Post
12/14/2015 09:10 am ET | Updated 2 days ago Jean-Pierre Pieuchot via Getty Images North Carolina ranks fourth on the solar power charts in the U.S.
"A town council in North Carolina rejected plans to rezone land for a solar farm after residents voiced fears it would cause cancer, stop plants from growing and suck up all the energy from the sun.
Two citizens reportedly made the allegations at a Woodland Town Council meeting in Northampton County, northeastern North Carolina, on Wednesday.
Bobby Mann said the farm would "suck up all the energy from the sun and businesses would not come to Woodland," the Roanoke-Chowan Herald-News reports.
Retired science teacher Jane Mann feared the proposed solar ranch could hinder photosynthesis -- the process of converting light energy from the sun into chemical energy for
She added that no one could tell her solar panels didn't cause cancer.
Other residents feared the effect it would have on the price of their homes.
Councilors were voting on whether to redefine agriculturally designated land off U.S. Highway 258 for manufacturing.
Strata Solar Company representative Brent Niemann told the meeting the only sunlight used would be that which fell on the panels directly. "The panels don't draw additional sunlight," he said.
He told councilors that the farm would have no effect on property prices and promised that no toxic substances would be kept on site.
But Woodland Town Council turned down the proposal, effectively stopping the company from building the planned renewable energy ranch. The council later voted to put a moratorium on future solar farms in the area, the Herald-News reports.
Solar Power World Online ranks North Carolina fourth in the U.S. for installed solar power capacity, with 161 companies employing 3,100 people in the industry.
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Post by rational on Dec 16, 2015 22:09:02 GMT -5
I don't know the individual but if the claim that solar farms would suck up all the energy from the sun is accurate do his/her qualifications matter? The short answer is yes it does matter because it would appear to set him/her apart from some other scientists if he/she is indeed qualified. That is the original point that I was making that some scientists like other folks do disagree from time to time. In this specific case, you would have to redefine the meaning of 'scientist'.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 16, 2015 22:33:03 GMT -5
Well, it seems to me that the "fault/blame" lies with the council that failed to believe it for whatever reasons. I am not a scientist myself nor am I a medical doctor,so I would have to be guided by scientists and doctors who are trained and qualified in their particular fields; however, if there is lingering doubt in my mind about something, I would certainly get a second or even a third opinion, just to be on the safe side. I suggest the blame is as much with the council as it was with the "science" teacher. (How are we to know that it wasn't "Christian" science he/she was teaching?) We have a widespread scorn among poorly educated people in this country that they know far more about some matters than people with university specializations in those matters. It's called ignorance.
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Post by Partaker on Dec 17, 2015 2:32:27 GMT -5
Yes, that probably also has something to do with the concept of selfopinionation- being self opionated, such folks are sometimes commonly referred to as "know alls" and are usually wrong and strong. The world is made up of all sorts of people, and it will not change any time soon i am afraid. When I was growing up many years ago and old gentleman I knew often said, and I quote: " there is no bigger fool than an educated fool."
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 17, 2015 3:01:13 GMT -5
Yes, that probably also has something to do with the concept of selfopinionation- being self opionated, such folks are sometimes commonly referred to as "know alls" and are usually wrong and strong. The world is made up of all sorts of people, and it will not change any time soon i am afraid. When I was growing up many years ago and old gentleman I knew often said, and I quote: " there is no bigger fool than an educated fool." Yes, that probably also has something to do with the concept of selfopinionation- being self opionated, such folks are sometimes commonly referred to as "know alls" and are usually wrong and strong. The world is made up of all sorts of people, and it will not change any time soon i am afraid. When I was growing up many years ago and old gentleman I knew often said, and I quote: " there is no bigger fool than an educated fool." Poor man, -obviously he had not received very much education himself and therefore couldn't believe that anyone could possibly know more than he knew. Even though I was raised in the 2x2's, my parents didn't buy the 2x2 belief that people should only get as little education as possible.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 17, 2015 3:29:04 GMT -5
Yes, that probably also has something to do with the concept of selfopinionation- being self opionated, such folks are sometimes commonly referred to as "know alls" and are usually wrong and strong. The world is made up of all sorts of people, and it will not change any time soon i am afraid. When I was growing up many years ago and old gentleman I knew often said, and I quote: " there is no bigger fool than an educated fool." True, but normally meant derogatively by whoever says it.
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Post by Partaker on Dec 17, 2015 4:00:29 GMT -5
Yes, I agree. The old man I referred to was a humble fisherman, educated to the elementary stage in British colonial times, however he was probably speaking based on his life's experiences. He was nos a member of the F&W fellowship, so he was not In my opinion anti education. He was expressing his opinion based on observations in his long life. It reminds me of what is written in Eccles 9:15: Wisdom is better than strength; but the wisdom of a poor man is despised and his words are not heeded.
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Post by rational on Dec 17, 2015 9:28:36 GMT -5
Yes, that probably also has something to do with the concept of selfopinionation- being self opionated, such folks are sometimes commonly referred to as "know alls" and are usually wrong and strong. The world is made up of all sorts of people, and it will not change any time soon i am afraid. When I was growing up many years ago and old gentleman I knew often said, and I quote: " there is no bigger fool than an educated fool." This is not uncommon when new ideas are introduced that are counter intuitive. Farmers that have been manipulating the genetics of their livestock by selective breeding, for example, are often very much against genetic modification by any other means. The term GMO should be applied to virtually all the food that we eat.
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Post by Partaker on Dec 17, 2015 12:48:46 GMT -5
Yes, that probably also has something to do with the concept of selfopinionation- being self opionated, such folks are sometimes commonly referred to as "know alls" and are usually wrong and strong. The world is made up of all sorts of people, and it will not change any time soon i am afraid. When I was growing up many years ago and old gentleman I knew often said, and I quote: " there is no bigger fool than an educated fool." This is not uncommon when new ideas are introduced that are counter intuitive. Farmers that have been manipulating the genetics of their livestock by selective breeding, for example, are often very much against genetic modification by any other means. The term GMO should be applied to virtually all the food that we eat. You are probably correct, "virtually" is the operative word here; no doubt that GMO is involved in the production of those featherless chickens and many other food items that we consume daily; but not sure if it has reached the point where all food is involved, but we are probably not far off that possibility of it being a reality.
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Post by rational on Dec 17, 2015 13:15:18 GMT -5
This is not uncommon when new ideas are introduced that are counter intuitive. Farmers that have been manipulating the genetics of their livestock by selective breeding, for example, are often very much against genetic modification by any other means. The term GMO should be applied to virtually all the food that we eat. You are probably correct, "virtually" is the operative word here; no doubt that GMO is involved in the production of those featherless chickens and many other food items that we consume daily; but not sure if it has reached the point where all food is involved, but we are probably not far off that possibility of it being a reality. I meant that the genetics of food products have been modified in one way or another - directly or through selective breeding. The outcome is the same. That's why there will be more salmon for everyone. Selective breeding increased the growth rate and direct modification of the DNA reduced the time to market from about 3 years to 1.5 years.
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Post by Partaker on Dec 17, 2015 13:44:22 GMT -5
You are probably correct, "virtually" is the operative word here; no doubt that GMO is involved in the production of those featherless chickens and many other food items that we consume daily; but not sure if it has reached the point where all food is involved, but we are probably not far off that possibility of it being a reality. I meant that the genetics of food products have been modified in one way or another - directly or through selective breeding. The outcome is the same. That's why there will be more salmon for everyone. Selective breeding increased the growth rate and direct modification of the DNA reduced the time to market from about 3 years to 1.5 years. Ok, I am with you, I concur.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 13:49:36 GMT -5
You are probably correct, "virtually" is the operative word here; no doubt that GMO is involved in the production of those featherless chickens and many other food items that we consume daily; but not sure if it has reached the point where all food is involved, but we are probably not far off that possibility of it being a reality. I meant that the genetics of food products have been modified in one way or another - directly or through selective breeding. The outcome is the same. That's why there will be more salmon for everyone. Selective breeding increased the growth rate and direct modification of the DNA reduced the time to market from about 3 years to 1.5 years. cross breeding an edible plant with a non-edible plant is not a good idea we don't know the long term effects of this yet...
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Post by rational on Dec 17, 2015 17:53:23 GMT -5
cross breeding an edible plant with a non-edible plant is not a good idea we don't know the long term effects of this yet... Well, it is a good thing salmon are not plants! Who is doing the cross breading of which you speak (going the extra mile to avoid ending a sentence with preposition!)? The selective breeding of the honey bees by crossing Apis mellifera scutellata with Apis mellifera ligustica and Apis mellifera iberiensis was probably not a good idea either but is direct genetic modification going to produce something worse?
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Post by Partaker on Dec 18, 2015 1:38:26 GMT -5
cross breeding an edible plant with a non-edible plant is not a good idea we don't know the long term effects of this yet... Well, it is a good thing salmon are not plants! Who is doing the cross breading of which you speak (going the extra mile to avoid ending a sentence with preposition!)? The selective breeding of the honey bees by crossing Apis mellifera scutellata with Apis mellifera ligustica and Apis mellifera iberiensis was probably not a good idea either but is direct genetic modification going to produce something worse? Well I don't know the answer to that question, but then again, who knows the answer for certain? Any idea how monsters are created? LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 2:19:52 GMT -5
cross breeding an edible plant with a non-edible plant is not a good idea we don't know the long term effects of this yet... Well, it is a good thing salmon are not plants! Who is doing the cross breading of which you speak (going the extra mile to avoid ending a sentence with preposition!)? The selective breeding of the honey bees by crossing Apis mellifera scutellata with Apis mellifera ligustica and Apis mellifera iberiensis was probably not a good idea either but is direct genetic modification going to produce something worse? some chuckle head in Louisiana is breeding sweet potatos with an ornamental plant and some other chuckle head wants to breed roses with a food bearing plant...
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 18, 2015 2:38:49 GMT -5
Well, it is a good thing salmon are not plants! Who is doing the cross breading of which you speak (going the extra mile to avoid ending a sentence with preposition!)? The selective breeding of the honey bees by crossing Apis mellifera scutellata with Apis mellifera ligustica and Apis mellifera iberiensis was probably not a good idea either but is direct genetic modification going to produce something worse? some chuckle head in Louisiana is breeding sweet potatos with an ornamental plant and some other chuckle head wants to breed roses with a food bearing plant... Well, geeze, -I wish I had been that "chuckle head" if he/she has a patent on it! That has already been done several years ago & now we have one of the most prolific & colorful ornamental vines that sells every year by the thousands!
And of course we already also have roses that you can eat, -rose hips (seed pods) that are full of vitamin C. -wasn't any need to cross breed them; they have been around for many, many years.
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Post by rational on Dec 18, 2015 9:34:38 GMT -5
]some chuckle head in Louisiana is breeding sweet potatos with an ornamental plant and some other chuckle head wants to breed roses with a food bearing plant... Not certain why you are denigrating this work. In the case of the sweet potato there was not a cross with other species simply selective breeding to produce plants with interesting above ground structures instead of selective breeding to improve the root. I have not heard of the rose as a food crop but I have a feeling a quick search would reveal the reason why someone would invest time and money into this endeavor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 14:46:00 GMT -5
Simpleton, I don't know who you really are, but let me say this : I think that you are darn good, suttle, but a deep thinker and a clever analyst, I must hand it to you. I really mean that. Partaker. Simpleton?
a "deep thinker?"
"clever analyst?"
You are joking, right?
dmmmg, ah!you are so clever!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 16:20:48 GMT -5
dmmmg, a you are so clever!! @partaker, very interesting that you are continuing with this ruse that you are the same as the 'guest partaker'. But as we all know, you and the 'guest partaker' are not the same person. The evidence is clear for all to see in the style and level of the writing. The only way you will be able to convince us that you are one and the same, is if you also show us a doctor's note stating that you had a stroke recently.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 5:05:56 GMT -5
To whom it may concern My typing errors occur because I am not coping very well with modern technology and particularly with the gadgets that have keyboards with " predictive text" I find them very irritating because they change words that one has typed and in my particular case they often go unnoticed because I do not always engage the "spell checker." Many folks that I know also complain about this hazard. With some of us, as we age our faculties deteriorate, and for younger people to make a mockery of it ,says a lot about them, not about the gracefully aging.
Just thought that I would explain the situation to clarify matters. Ps. I am the same Partaker as ever, and most of you recognize me.
For information, I have now placed my foe on ignore.
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Post by matisse on Jan 3, 2016 9:01:52 GMT -5
To whom it may concern My typing errors occur because I am not coping very well with modern technology and particularly with the gadgets that have keyboards with " predictive text" I find them very irritating because they change words that one has typed and in my particular case they often go unnoticed because I do not always engage the "spell checker." Many folks that I know also complain about this hazard. With some of us, as we age our faculties deteriorate, and for younger people to make a mockery of it ,says a lot about them, not about the gracefully aging. Just thought that I would explain the situation to clarify matters. Ps. I am the same Partaker as ever, and most of you recognize me. For information, I have now placed my foe on ignore. Don't let the two-bit bully get you down!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 9:13:01 GMT -5
To whom it may concern My typing errors occur because I am not coping very well with modern technology and particularly with the gadgets that have keyboards with " predictive text" I find them very irritating because they change words that one has typed and in my particular case they often go unnoticed because I do not always engage the "spell checker." Many folks that I know also complain about this hazard. With some of us, as we age our faculties deteriorate, and for younger people to make a mockery of it ,says a lot about them, not about the gracefully aging. Just thought that I would explain the situation to clarify matters. Ps. I am the same Partaker as ever, and most of you recognize me. For information, I have now placed my foe on ignore Don't let the two-bit bully get you down! Thanks for the advice, Some day he will meet his match and it won't be pretty and he will wonder why.
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