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Post by dmmichgood on May 3, 2015 18:26:31 GMT -5
Dmmichgood quote "Good lord! If this is true, what an invasion of privacy! I'm sure glad I don't live in Australia!" Dmmichgood, your views might be "over the rainbow"
but don't you live in Australia?
It think it would wonderful to visit!
At the rate that I have been gallivanting around the world, I just might do that!
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Post by Gene on May 3, 2015 18:30:30 GMT -5
Gay marriage law is about property rights and so on. The same laws apply regarding property rights whether a person is married or just living together. After 2 years of being together (married or not) everything is split 50/50, unless in a trust or pre nuptial but even that can come unstuck these days. So marriage is not about property rights any more. That depends on the jurisdiction. "Common law" marriage is not recognized everywhere, and where it has been historically, it did not apply to same-sex couples. In the USA, marriage affords a couple some 1,000 rights and responsibilities at the Federal, State and local level that do not apply to the unmarried. Prior to Supreme Court action a couple of years ago, neither same-sex marriages, partnerships, or common-law arrangements were recognized by the Federal government. |
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Post by dmmichgood on May 3, 2015 18:34:29 GMT -5
No I haven't been divorced. I don't "do drugs" either, but I have strong views on that, too. I used to have this argumentwith my father - being in an experience (ie war) doesn't necessarily give you authorityover everyone else on that subject. Sometimes its to the contrary. Numbers speak for themselves, and in these matters I like to quote from what is mainstream professional opinion.
You also tend to not give the sources for you quotes!
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Post by Roselyn T on May 3, 2015 20:14:03 GMT -5
No I haven't been divorced. I don't "do drugs" either, but I have strong views on that, too. I used to have this argument with my father - being in an experience (ie war) doesn't necessarily give you authority over everyone else on that subject. Sometimes its to the contrary. Numbers speak for themselves, and in these matters I like to quote from what is mainstream professional opinion. So from an emotional point of view you have no idea what you are talking about ! "Being in a situation does not give you authority over every one else on that subject" that is true, but a person who has been in a situation (Divorce, physical abuse, alcohol abuse) has way more understanding of the situation than someone like you who has no idea just ideals ! |
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Post by Roselyn T on May 3, 2015 20:18:34 GMT -5
No I haven't been divorced. I don't "do drugs" either, but I have strong views on that, too. I used to have this argument with my father - being in an experience (ie war) doesn't necessarily give you authority over everyone else on that subject. Sometimes its to the contrary. Numbers speak for themselves, and in these matters I like to quote from what is mainstream professional opinion. What mainstream professional are you quoting from Bert ? |
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Post by Roselyn T on May 3, 2015 20:25:13 GMT -5
Quote - 'Is it better for children to live with an alcoholic father than divorce?" That's a desperately difficult issue.
Many marriage counselors and psychiatrists say
that a bad home is better than no home. But again,
there's lots of context involved.
Say that I have no idea of some social issue is not
correct. I am saying that often the cure (for society)
is worse than the condition.This is an example of someone who has no understanding of alcoholism, all you have done is try to justify your religious views on divorce. Go and live with an alcoholic for 12 months Bert, then come back & give up your opinion ! |
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Post by dmmichgood on May 3, 2015 23:49:26 GMT -5
No I haven't been divorced. I don't "do drugs" either, but I have strong views on that, too. I used to have this argument with my father - being in an experience (ie war) doesn't necessarily give you authority over everyone else on that subject. Sometimes its to the contrary. Numbers speak for themselves, and in these matters I like to quote from what is mainstream professional opinion. So from an emotional point of view you have no idea what you are talking about ! "Being in a situation does not give you authority over every one else on that subject" that is true, but a person who has been in a situation (Divorce, physical abuse, alcohol abuse) has way more understanding of the situation than someone like you who has no idea just ideals ! 
His "ideas" are just the ways Bert thinks that everyone should live, -he thinks that they should all live according to the Gospel of Bert!
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Post by Roselyn T on May 4, 2015 0:34:28 GMT -5
Good point dmmg !!!  |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 4, 2015 2:07:43 GMT -5
No I haven't been divorced. I don't "do drugs" either, but I have strong views on that, too. I used to have this argumentwith my father - being in an experience (ie war) doesn't necessarily give you authorityover everyone else on that subject. Sometimes its to the contrary. Numbers speak for themselves, and in these matters I like to quote from what is mainstream professional opinion.
You also tend to not give the sources for you quotes!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 4, 2015 2:30:53 GMT -5
Except Bert, -the numbers that you use can often be skewed to what you want to believe.
You also tend to not give the sources for you quotes!
I'm picking it's Talk Back Radio. !  |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 6:22:38 GMT -5
Nope, I don't live in Australia.
It think it would wonderful to visit!
At the rate that I have been gallivanting around the world, I just might do that!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 6:27:59 GMT -5
Bert, I wonder what your thoughts are about breast feeding in public? Some cafe's allow it, some don't. Would it be OK for a young mother to discretely breastfeed her little one in a fellowship meeting?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 6:57:10 GMT -5
Bert, I wonder what your thoughts are about breast feeding in public? Some cafe's allow it, some don't. Would it be OK for a young mother to discretely breastfeed her little one in a fellowship meeting?
Why "discrete" ?
You ashamed of breast feeding?To some extent, that is a cultural issue. I've done lots of 'discreet breastfeeding in public' in my day, but I never felt it was appropriate for me to do it in the meeting. I grew up in a culture where the majority chose to bottlefeed, and breastfeeding was very much done behind closed doors. That meant most older people and many teenagers were excrutiatingly embarrassed when confronted with someone breastfeeding in public. My father always left the room when my babies started getting hungry, and he wasn't the only one. I never felt it would be fair to embarrass people in a meeting, where it's not so easy for them to get up and walk out if they're uncomfortable with what they're seeing. I've heard of other cultures where it's completely normal and no one would give it a second thought, so I guess it depends where you live, and how discreet you are |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 8:43:28 GMT -5
Why "discrete" ?
You ashamed of breast feeding?To some extent, that is a cultural issue. I've done lots of 'discreet breastfeeding in public' in my day, but I never felt it was appropriate for me to do it in the meeting. I grew up in a culture where the majority chose to bottlefeed, and breastfeeding was very much done behind closed doors. That meant most older people and many teenagers were excrutiatingly embarrassed when confronted with someone breastfeeding in public. My father always left the room when my babies started getting hungry, and he wasn't the only one. I never felt it would be fair to embarrass people in a meeting, where it's not so easy for them to get up and walk out if they're uncomfortable with what they're seeing. I've heard of other cultures where it's completely normal and no one would give it a second thought, so I guess it depends where you live, and how discreet you are And yet it is the most natural activity to take place between a mother and her baby the breast was the first source of food for most of us, we should take note of the animals when it comes to feeding time for their young ones.it is not to say that nursing mothers vulgarly display their breasts like some models and strippers do. But it has something to do with the norms of decency that society sets and people follow. ps. In some tribal societies there is no problem with breast feeding in public, it is the norm. |
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Post by rational on May 4, 2015 9:00:08 GMT -5
Marriage is TWO contracts - 1 - between a man and a woman 2 - between that couple and society If that society is religious then marriage is viewed as an extension of religion, if it's not religious then it's seen as a secular contract. If this is you stance then marriage is three contracts. On the legal side: 1. - Between the individuals entering into the contract. 2. - Between the civil authorities and the couple. On the religious side: 3. - Between the individuals and the organization to which they belong. |
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Post by magpie on May 5, 2015 4:53:27 GMT -5
All these diversions sound more like the "POST ALLOWING PERVERTS ON THE CONVENTION GROUNDS",not solving the answer needed and urgently,"PRE-PROTECTING CHILDREN?TEENS FROM WHAT SO MANY HAVE SUFFERED BY MEETING WORKERS AT A CONVENTION". Called preening they find easy under a cults mind control?PROTECT YOUR KIDS THAT WAS BASIS OF THE QUESTION. Then again there perhaps would not be many left to speak from the platform?
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Post by Roselyn T on May 5, 2015 4:57:33 GMT -5
Quote - 'Is it better for children to live with an alcoholic father than divorce?" That's a desperately difficult issue.
Many marriage counselors and psychiatrists say
that a bad home is better than no home. But again,
there's lots of context involved.
Say that I have no idea of some social issue is not
correct. I am saying that often the cure (for society)
is worse than the condition.This is an example of someone who has no understanding of alcoholism, all you have done is try to justify your religious views on divorce. Go and live with an alcoholic for 12 months Bert, then come back & give up your opinion ! Bert, after all that what is your solution to divorce, physical violence & alcohol abuse ? You seem to come up with plenty of statements so how about some solutions ! |
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Post by rational on May 5, 2015 9:00:59 GMT -5
All these diversions sound more like the "POST ALLOWING PERVERTS ON THE CONVENTION GROUNDS",not solving the answer needed and urgently,"PRE-PROTECTING CHILDREN?TEENS FROM WHAT SO MANY HAVE SUFFERED BY MEETING WORKERS AT A CONVENTION". Called preening they find easy under a cults mind control?PROTECT YOUR KIDS THAT WAS BASIS OF THE QUESTION. Then again there perhaps would not be many left to speak from the platform? Since it is difficult, if not impossible, perhaps trying to ban potential offenders from any venue should be viewed a useless and providing a false sense of security for parents. A better approach might be to educate the parents regarding the safety of their children and educate the children so they will be more aware. |
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Post by magpie on May 5, 2015 17:14:35 GMT -5
Sadly the parents are educated (via mind control),but they worship those who amongst them are perpwtrators. All now know the problem but to keep up the saved by worker facade they cant accept a new form of thinking,regardless to the dangers. Good Question though Rationale
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 17:20:41 GMT -5
So if I ever get tired of the Gospel,
tired of signing hymns every day;
tired of hearing the testimonies of others;
tired of prayer;
and tired of fellowship.
I can just say "Oh I don't go to conventions
because sex offenders are stalking the grounds."
This way I can sound righteous.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 5, 2015 17:36:50 GMT -5
Bert you still have not answer the question !!!
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Post by rational on May 5, 2015 17:52:42 GMT -5
Sadly the parents are educated (via mind control),but they worship those who amongst them are perpwtrators. Sadly there is no mind control. No brain washing. No water boarding. Saying 'mind control' implies that the followers had no choice - that they could not think for themselves. This is not the case. They can think for themselves - they just prefer not to. As in any situation, until the cost of maintaining the status guo exceeds the benefits/perceived from maintaining the status quo people will remain.This is not just true of the F&W. This also includes people who believe, without the support of facts, and make choices based on their erroneous beliefs. People refusing to have their children vaccinated place not only their children in danger but those with whom their children are in contact. Because of their beliefs, members of the JW at times refuse treatment for their children. Although the data shows that early and thorough sex education prevents STDs and teen pregnancy many oppose it because they fear teaching children about sex will encourage them to try it and believe that parents can provide the knowledge needed.Thanks. |
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Post by Roselyn T on May 5, 2015 19:58:04 GMT -5
So if I ever get tired of the Gospel, tired of signing hymns every day; tired of hearing the testimonies of others; tired of prayer; and tired of fellowship. I can just say "Oh I don't go to conventions because sex offenders are stalking the grounds." This way I can sound righteous. Bert again you have shown your lack of understanding by this post ! |
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Post by withlove on May 6, 2015 2:10:49 GMT -5
So if I ever get tired of the Gospel, tired of signing hymns every day; tired of hearing the testimonies of others; tired of prayer; and tired of fellowship. I can just say "Oh I don't go to conventions because sex offenders are stalking the grounds." This way I can sound righteous. This is so sad, I'm not even going to take the bait. |
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Post by Roselyn T on May 6, 2015 3:54:14 GMT -5
I agree with you withlove, it is sad ...
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Post by fixit on May 6, 2015 5:55:36 GMT -5
So if I ever get tired of the Gospel, tired of signing hymns every day; tired of hearing the testimonies of others; tired of prayer; and tired of fellowship. I can just say "Oh I don't go to conventions because sex offenders are stalking the grounds." This way I can sound righteous. Do you have an opinion about sex offenders stalking the grounds? |
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Post by Roselyn T on May 6, 2015 21:51:47 GMT -5
Seems Bert has gone quiet on this one !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 16:05:38 GMT -5
So if I ever get tired of the Gospel, tired of signing hymns every day; tired of hearing the testimonies of others; tired of prayer; and tired of fellowship. I can just say "Oh I don't go to conventions because sex offenders are stalking the grounds." This way I can sound righteous. Do you have an opinion about sex offenders stalking the grounds? kicking around an old thread, but does no one find it funny that all the wonderment formerBert mentioned is worth the odd sex offender stalking the grounds? I had to alert a couple of folks last year that the "Oh so helpful and wonderful-spoken" visitor to their convention had in past been known to practice sexual assault with impunity. |
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