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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 21:24:39 GMT -5
Quote - "Bert... What do you really understand about divorce?"
I understand that one day divorce will be more common than
marriage, if it isn't already.
In fact, divorce is making such a mockery of marriage we
might even dispense with marriage altogether - just as we
are dispensing with children.
But Jesus did say that in end times people will be marrying
and giving in marriage until they are taken away. So I guess
I might be wrong in that.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 22:15:25 GMT -5
Quote - "Bert... What do you really understand about divorce?" I understand that one day divorce will be more common than
marriage, if it isn't already.
In fact, divorce is making such a mockery of marriage we
might even dispense with marriage altogether - just as we
are dispensing with children.
But Jesus did say that in end times people will be marrying
and giving in marriage until they are taken away. So I guess
I might be wrong in that.its just about there bert...in America about 40% of all first marriages end in divorce its even higher for second marriages |
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Post by rational on May 2, 2015 22:34:57 GMT -5
Quote - "Bert... What do you really understand about divorce?" I understand that one day divorce will be more common than
marriage, if it isn't already.
In fact, divorce is making such a mockery of marriage we
might even dispense with marriage altogether - just as we
are dispensing with children.
But Jesus did say that in end times people will be marrying
and giving in marriage until they are taken away. So I guess
I might be wrong in that.its just about there bert...in America about 40% of all first marriages end in divorce its even higher for second marriages The logic of this eludes me. |
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Post by Roselyn T on May 3, 2015 0:33:46 GMT -5
Quote - "Bert... What do you really understand about divorce?" I understand that one day divorce will be more common than
marriage, if it isn't already.
In fact, divorce is making such a mockery of marriage we
might even dispense with marriage altogether - just as we
are dispensing with children.
But Jesus did say that in end times people will be marrying
and giving in marriage until they are taken away. So I guess
I might be wrong in that.Bert what do you personally understand about divorce, have you been divorced ? Do you understand what some people go through in their relationship before they divorce? Or once again are you making statements about something you have not personally experienced ? May I suggest talking to a few people that have been divorced, lived in abusive relationships, lived with alcoholics, lived with mental illness before you make a judgement. Then talk to people who as children lived in an abusive home. |
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Post by Roselyn T on May 3, 2015 0:34:33 GMT -5
Quote - "Bert... What do you really understand about divorce?" I understand that one day divorce will be more common than
marriage, if it isn't already.
In fact, divorce is making such a mockery of marriage we
might even dispense with marriage altogether - just as we
are dispensing with children.
But Jesus did say that in end times people will be marrying
and giving in marriage until they are taken away. So I guess
I might be wrong in that.its just about there bert...in America about 40% of all first marriages end in divorce its even higher for second marriages And your point is Wally  ? |
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Post by dmmichgood on May 3, 2015 1:19:58 GMT -5
Quote - "Bert... What do you really understand about divorce?" I understand that one day divorce will be more common than
marriage, if it isn't already.
In fact, divorce is making such a mockery of marriage we
might even dispense with marriage altogether - just as we
are dispensing with children.
But Jesus did say that in end times people will be marrying
and giving in marriage until they are taken away. So I guess
I might be wrong in that.
Marriage is a legal contract between people.
If they find that the contract doesn't suit them anymore, -why shouldn't they be able to end it?
It is only because you see marriage as a sacred religious institution that you see it as such an "evil!"
If there are children in the equation, -then, of course, they should consider that & make sure that the children aren't adversely affected.
But divorce in and of itself is NOT the "holy" contract that you make out to be!
No one needs to live accountable to you & what you believe!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 2:57:45 GMT -5
Marriage is TWO contracts -
1 - between a man and a woman
2 - between that couple and society
If that society is religious then marriage is
viewed as an extension of religion, if it's not
religious then it's seen as a secular contract.
When divorce is too easy, then marriages fail
more often. As marriage is a bedrock of society
then the wholesale collapse of the institution
has an adverse effect upon society.
In the West we have long felt the effects of
this through such things. By way of example: the
vast expansion of government to fill the void of
the failing nuclear family life - government now
take responsibility for caring for the children
and elderly. In Australia this week alone there
has been talk of setting up security cameras in
the homes of dysfunctional families so authorities
can better ascertain their role in caring for
those families.
But... with the falling numbers of children this
social welfare model will be severely restrained
in the future as there will be less tax base to
fund social welfare, and more and more mouths to
feed.
It's going to be interesting.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 3, 2015 3:53:58 GMT -5
If there is no marriage then there will be no divorce. Problem solved. Gay couples fought to be allowed to get married here so seems like some are fighting for marriage while heterosexuals are leaving it behind Gay marriage law is about property rights and so on. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 3, 2015 3:59:00 GMT -5
Marriage is TWO contracts - 1 - between a man and a woman 2 - between that couple and society If that society is religious then marriage is viewed as an extension of religion, if it's not religious then it's seen as a secular contract. When divorce is too easy, then marriages fail more often. As marriage is a bedrock of society then the wholesale collapse of the institution has an adverse effect upon society. In the West we have long felt the effects of this through such things. By way of example: the vast expansion of government to fill the void of the failing nuclear family life - government now take responsibility for caring for the children and elderly. In Australia this week alone there has been talk of setting up security cameras in the homes of dysfunctional families so authorities can better ascertain their role in caring for those families. But... with the falling numbers of children this social welfare model will be severely restrained in the future as there will be less tax base to fund social welfare, and more and more mouths to feed. It's going to be interesting. Since when has marriage been a bedrock of society? In the West...blah blah blah. There are more people in the east than the west or is that the south or north. Why force your views upon others, making law to suit your your religious views. Secular society and government rocks. Anyway I figure you are a WASP. |
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Post by dmmichgood on May 3, 2015 3:59:14 GMT -5
Marriage is TWO contracts - 1 - between a man and a woman 2 - between that couple and societyIf that society is religious then marriage is viewed as an extension of religion, if it's not religious then it's seen as a secular contract.
When divorce is too easy, then marriages fail more often. As marriage is a bedrock of society then the wholesale collapse of the institution has an adverse effect upon society. In the West we have long felt the effects of this through such things. By way of example: the vast expansion of government to fill the void of the failing nuclear family life - government now take responsibility for caring for the children and elderl Australia this week alone there has been talk of setting up security cameras in the homes of dysfunctional families so authorities can better ascertain their role in caring for those families. But... with the falling numbers of children, this social welfare model will be severely restrained in the future as there will be less tax base to fund social welfare, and more and more mouths to feed. It's going to be interesting.
I've misjudged you.
My hat's off to you, Bert.
"Australia this week alone there has been talk of setting up security cameras in the homes of dysfunctional families so authorities can better ascertain their role in caring for those families"Good lord! If this is true, what an invasion of privacy! I'm sure glad I don't live in Australia!Oh, No!  So it all comes down to money with you after all?
"with the falling numbers of children, this social welfare model will be severely restrained in the future as there will be less tax base to fund social welfare, and more and more mouths to feed."
and here I was thinking that you was really caring about the people themselves!
Oh, the disappointment of it!
Oh, the disillusionment!
How could you Bert!
Here I was beginning to actually think that you cared!
I don't think that I can take it!
My heart is broken!
Now, I can see that I'll be crying myself to sleep tonight. 
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 3, 2015 4:02:31 GMT -5
Marriage is TWO contracts - 1 - between a man and a woman 2 - between that couple and society If that society is religious then marriage is viewed as an extension of religion, if it's not religious then it's seen as a secular contract. When divorce is too easy, then marriages fail more often. As marriage is a bedrock of society then the wholesale collapse of the institution has an adverse effect upon society. In the West we have long felt the effects of this through such things. By way of example: the vast expansion of government to fill the void of the failing nuclear family life - government now take responsibility for caring for the children and elderly. In Australia this week alone there has been talk of setting up security cameras in the homes of dysfunctional families so authorities can better ascertain their role in caring for those families. But... with the falling numbers of children this social welfare model will be severely restrained in the future as there will be less tax base to fund social welfare, and more and more mouths to feed. It's going to be interesting. ooooh Bert, I missed an absolute pearler of yours. Falling numbers of children? Your kidding us are you not? Which radio station do you listen to Bert, I'm keen to tune in. |
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Post by Mary on May 3, 2015 4:08:37 GMT -5
If there is no marriage then there will be no divorce. Problem solved. Gay couples fought to be allowed to get married here so seems like some are fighting for marriage while heterosexuals are leaving it behind Gay marriage law is about property rights and so on. The same laws apply regarding property rights whether a person is married or just living together. After 2 years of being together (married or not) everything is split 50/50, unless in a trust or pre nuptial but even that can come unstuck these days. So marriage is not about property rights any more. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 3, 2015 4:15:25 GMT -5
Hi Mary, did that old law apply to gay people as well as straight people? I thought, but I may be wrong that in the good ole days that gay relationships were not recognised in law.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 4:24:28 GMT -5
Quote - Since when has marriage been a bedrock of society?
In the West...blah blah blah.
There are more people in the east than the west or is that the south or north.
Why force your views upon others, making law to suit your your religious views.
Secular society and government rocks.
Anyway I figure you are a WASP.
Last time I looked, marriage was a bedrock of Asian societies, too.
But that's breaking down there, as well.
Quote - ooooh Bert, I missed an absolute pearler of yours. Falling numbers of children? Your kidding us are you not?
Which radio station do you listen to Bert, I'm keen to tune in.
Not sure what country Russia was compared to, but last century one
African country had a few million people, and Russia had one hundred
million. That country now has more people than Russia.
That's demographics. Google the word.
Now look at, say, Japan and Italy's birth rate. At some point these
countries, resistant to immigration, will be begging for African or
Asians to come keep their countries afloat.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 4:33:16 GMT -5
Dmmichgood quote "Good lord! If this is true, what an invasion of privacy!
I'm sure glad I don't live in Australia!"
Dmmichgood, your views might be "over the rainbow"
but don't you live in Australia?
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Post by Greg on May 3, 2015 4:38:38 GMT -5
Quote - Since when has marriage been a bedrock of society? In the West...blah blah blah. There are more people in the east than the west or is that the south or north. Why force your views upon others, making law to suit your your religious views. Secular society and government rocks. Anyway I figure you are a WASP.
Last time I looked, marriage was a bedrock of Asian societies, too.
But that's breaking down there, as well.Quote - ooooh Bert, I missed an absolute pearler of yours. Falling numbers of children? Your kidding us are you not? Which radio station do you listen to Bert, I'm keen to tune in. Not sure what country Russia was compared to, but last century one
African country had a few million people, and Russia had one hundred
million. That country now has more people than Russia.
That's demographics. Google the word.
Now look at, say, Japan and Italy's birth rate. At some point these
countries, resistant to immigration, will be begging for African or
Asians to come keep their countries afloat.Has world population dropped recently? I'm pretty sure having children goes along with population growth. Of course, bert might have meant - but did not specify - "in developed/modern or first world countries". |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 3, 2015 4:51:30 GMT -5
I'm thinking that Bert is very concerned that the place is being over run with people that have different skin colour to himself.
I read somewhere that there is now more than 50% of USA citizens that have a first language other than English.
Immigration is great. People of Bert's skin colouring foisted themselves upon the people of Australia, New Zealand and the America's.
Now, in many cases they do not want to see people of a darker hue have the same luxury.
Which reminds me, all the perverts I know of that could at some stage be on a convention ground have the same skin colour as our lovely Bert.
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Post by magpie on May 3, 2015 4:51:34 GMT -5
Dmmichgood,The mixture has been/is horrific many Teen girls spoke of the fear of both male/female workers teen boys men workers. Re paedophilia some boys,some boys and girls and females usually lil girls-rife is the word. Plus the adult power over victims Rape and Adultry.Paedophillia also is a mental disorder and many are attracted to ANIMALS!!! Look it up. .... Rationale, You are either young or have an awful memory "HOW THE HELL" could any child or teen go to police or face up to the workers coverup powers,even hardened parents who worshiped the perpetrators of the secret sect in the 1950s/1960s???They the workers would have you on a plate as a sacrifice to protect their inward deceptions and sex crimes. Heard a worker later of another we all make mistakes,and time proved it was a biblical sin,because it was far from a one off,so he now preaches in Sth America.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 4:54:18 GMT -5
I'm thinking that Bert is very concerned that the place is being over run with people that have different skin colour to himself. I read somewhere that there is now more than 50% of USA citizens that have a first language other than English. Immigration is great. People of Bert's skin colouring foisted themselves upon the people of Australia, New Zealand and the America's. Now, in many cases they do not want to see people of a darker hue have the same luxury. Which reminds me, all the perverts I know of that could at some stage be on a convention ground have the same skin colour as our lovely Bert.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 3, 2015 5:04:18 GMT -5
Bert, that is a really lame attempt at racial humour about skin colour.
About that radio station you listen to, which is it please, I'm keen to know so I can be as educated as you are.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 5:06:55 GMT -5
Bert, that is a really lame attempt at racial humour about skin colour. About that radio station you listen to, which is it please, I'm keen to know so I can be as educated as you are.
The radio in my car displays "SEC" on the display.
Not sure what the code is. Better find it before
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 3, 2015 5:10:13 GMT -5
That might be short for secular, your on your way to hell in a handcart listening to that stuff Bert.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 5:18:54 GMT -5
No, I think it means "SECurity code"
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Post by Roselyn T on May 3, 2015 6:41:14 GMT -5
Quote - "Bert... What do you really understand about divorce?" I understand that one day divorce will be more common than
marriage, if it isn't already.
In fact, divorce is making such a mockery of marriage we
might even dispense with marriage altogether - just as we
are dispensing with children.
But Jesus did say that in end times people will be marrying
and giving in marriage until they are taken away. So I guess
I might be wrong in that.Bert what do you personally understand about divorce, have you been divorced ? Do you understand what some people go through in their relationship before they divorce? Or once again are you making statements about something you have not personally experienced ? May I suggest talking to a few people that have been divorced, lived in abusive relationships, lived with alcoholics, lived with mental illness before you make a judgement. Then talk to people who as children lived in an abusive home. So after all that Bert you have still not answered my question above ! Have you been divorced Bert ? |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 6:53:22 GMT -5
No I haven't been divorced.
I don't "do drugs" either,
but I have strong views on
that, too.
I used to have this argument
with my father - being in an
experience (ie war) doesn't
necessarily give you authority
over everyone else on that
subject.
Sometimes its to the contrary.
Numbers speak for themselves,
and in these matters I like to
quote from what is mainstream
professional opinion.
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Post by fixit on May 3, 2015 14:44:22 GMT -5
Bert, I wonder what your thoughts are about breast feeding in public?
Some cafe's allow it, some don't.
Would it be OK for a young mother to discretely breastfeed her little one in a fellowship meeting?
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Post by withlove on May 3, 2015 16:56:55 GMT -5
No I haven't been divorced. I don't "do drugs" either, but I have strong views on that, too. I used to have this argument with my father - being in an experience (ie war) doesn't necessarily give you authority over everyone else on that subject. Sometimes its to the contrary. Numbers speak for themselves, and in these matters I like to quote from what is mainstream professional opinion. War is in some ways similar to abuse. I wonder if you are as skeptical of soldiers' experiences as you seem to be of people who have been "abused"--your quotation marks. I'm so glad God rules with love and wisdom that is not based on numbers. Which professions are you quoting from? |
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Post by dmmichgood on May 3, 2015 18:21:54 GMT -5
Bert, I wonder what your thoughts are about breast feeding in public? Some cafe's allow it, some don't. Would it be OK for a young mother to discretely breastfeed her little one in a fellowship meeting?
Lets see if Bert answer's that one!
If I were betting, I would bet that "NO" he won't!
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So it all comes down to money with you after all? 
