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Post by Angelina Mouse on May 11, 2012 5:42:10 GMT -5
Actually a Scots great great grandad and an Irish great great grandma. She was gentry and he was a ex-convict. Pretty normal in Tassie. We even have scars on our necks where they took our extra heads off!!!!!!!! We really are not that closely related here. HaHa.
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Post by margaretann on May 17, 2012 14:27:13 GMT -5
Hi I would like to re-iterate that if there is anyone involved in the situation in Scotland who needs to talk , I am more than willing to be there. I am involved in Child Protection for a children's organisation, so have some knowledge of the processes to be followed. For those who don't know me, my name is Karen Fletcher , nee Duncan. I was B &R in Scotland, and have been out for many years. |
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Post by margaretann on May 17, 2012 14:29:55 GMT -5
HI Karen can you be private messaged?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 17:24:19 GMT -5
Regarding the current case in Scotland where a brother worker of many years standing was put out of the work, it was originally put about that he was no longer able to continue in the work due to heart trouble.
I have been hearing lately that some of the older members of the fellowship have been told that the allegations of this man's improper conduct (criminal) are all false allegations. It appears they have bought into these explanations.
At present I am not sure who is putting these explanations about but if they are from authoritive sources in the fellowship I find them despicable.
Victims require the truth to be told, not damage limiting stories. These can be extremely damaging to victims.
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Post by Angelina Mouse on May 17, 2012 18:36:49 GMT -5
Hi Ram, So on the other side of the world, F&W are no different to in Australia. This same problem is still happening here. People think allegations against EB were made up by "one bitter Person" to cause trouble. They all need to get their heads out of the sand. Its disgusting that people wont accept the truth of what is happening in the fellowship. Its a wonder my mousy teeth arnt ground down to the gums.  |
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Post by CherieKropp on May 17, 2012 22:51:06 GMT -5
HI Karen can you be private messaged? I sent Karen an email with a link to your thread. Hopefully, you will hear from Karen. She doesnt frequent the boards much. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 4:36:22 GMT -5
Hi Ram, So on the other side of the world, F&W are no different to in Australia. This same problem is still happening here. People think allegations against EB were made up by "one bitter Person" to cause trouble. They all need to get their heads out of the sand. Its disgusting that people wont accept the truth of what is happening in the fellowship. Its a wonder my mousy teeth arnt ground down to the gums. I must confess my anger has still to abate after learning what is going on. This divulging information only on a need to know basis has serious drawbacks. It leaves many vulnerable people in the dark. By vulnerable I mean those who will believe anything that is circulated rather than face up to the truth of the matter. They are often amongst the most vehement defenders of the system and unwittingly can cause much damage through not having been informed of the reality of the situation by those who know better. Victims have a tough enough job in surviving their ordeals. With historic cases it is extremely daunting to come forward after many years of silence. Many neither have the will, the strength nor the courage to report matters to the authorities. Also, after many years that may no longer be the best option for the victim and our concerns must focus primarily upon their needs and desires. Victims may be put off coming forward with their experiences when they see others who have chosen not to report matters, blamed for spreading false allegations. There is sufficient information about the current Scottish case to indicate a high level of truth in the allegations. The last thing the victim needs is for them to be accused of spreading false allegations simply because they chose not to report the matter to the authorities. This can put off other victims from coming forward and add to their trauma. Those in leadership should have the truth of the matter available to all within the fellowship. It is a small, tightly knit community and much damage can be caused to those who least need it through the protecting of the system and certain categories of friends. |
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Post by ksrw56 on May 20, 2012 16:06:04 GMT -5
Just to add my bit to the proceedings. I have it on very good authority that the child abuser (not going to beat about the bush here because thats exactly what he is) has been bought a smallholding in Scotland after being asked/told to leave the work. It's time people named names, I know who it is and I also know one of the people he abused, why should they be shielded? It makes me so mad, this is two faced at its best.
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Post by PATHETIC on May 21, 2012 0:07:31 GMT -5
This is pathetic. Actions such as these by the ruling workers in Scotland tarnish the reputation of our fellowship worldwide. Are we all as congregation going to stand around and watch this happen?
What about the victim you know ksrw56, is she (I presume) being well cared for by those same church leaders who have lavished so much on their child-abusing colleague?
Rest assured his name is well-known elsewhere too.
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Post by onlooker on May 21, 2012 7:58:13 GMT -5
I would doubt he has been bought/provided with a smallholding anywhere whether with church funds or not.
The last I heard was he was living in what sounded like farm workers' or staff accommodation, but that might only be a temporary arrangement.
I don't know the man or any of his kin, but was told this a few weeks ago from sources considered very reliable.
It is now the 2nd week of Scottish conventions. Hopefully it won't end so abruptly as last year when a storm came through and damaged canvas. Was that divine intervention or just chance?
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Post by Looking On on May 21, 2012 10:15:40 GMT -5
Well I know of at least two in Michigan who have remained silent after being abused by 2x2 workers. They were put to silence through fear of shame, shunning and the "we don't talk about those things" mentality in the 2x2. Sadly one was told to remain silent by the hard core 2x2 parents. The more I find out the sicker it looks. Hi Ram, So on the other side of the world, F&W are no different to in Australia. This same problem is still happening here. People think allegations against EB were made up by "one bitter Person" to cause trouble. They all need to get their heads out of the sand. Its disgusting that people wont accept the truth of what is happening in the fellowship. Its a wonder my mousy teeth arnt ground down to the gums. I must confess my anger has still to abate after learning what is going on. This divulging information only on a need to know basis has serious drawbacks. It leaves many vulnerable people in the dark. By vulnerable I mean those who will believe anything that is circulated rather than face up to the truth of the matter. They are often amongst the most vehement defenders of the system and unwittingly can cause much damage through not having been informed of the reality of the situation by those who know better. Victims have a tough enough job in surviving their ordeals. With historic cases it is extremely daunting to come forward after many years of silence. Many neither have the will, the strength nor the courage to report matters to the authorities. Also, after many years that may no longer be the best option for the victim and our concerns must focus primarily upon their needs and desires. Victims may be put off coming forward with their experiences when they see others who have chosen not to report matters, blamed for spreading false allegations. There is sufficient information about the current Scottish case to indicate a high level of truth in the allegations. The last thing the victim needs is for them to be accused of spreading false allegations simply because they chose not to report the matter to the authorities. This can put off other victims from coming forward and add to their trauma. Those in leadership should have the truth of the matter available to all within the fellowship. It is a small, tightly knit community and much damage can be caused to those who least need it through the protecting of the system and certain categories of friends. |
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Post by onlooker on May 22, 2012 3:48:16 GMT -5
Just to add my bit to the proceedings. I have it on very good authority that the child abuser (not going to beat about the bush here because thats exactly what he is) has been bought a smallholding in Scotland after being asked/told to leave the work. It's time people named names, I know who it is and I also know one of the people he abused, why should they be shielded? It makes me so mad, this is two faced at its best. By no way should the lady (or ladies) be revealed, it would not be fair on them |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2012 4:06:31 GMT -5
Just to add my bit to the proceedings. I have it on very good authority that the child abuser (not going to beat about the bush here because thats exactly what he is) has been bought a smallholding in Scotland after being asked/told to leave the work. It's time people named names, I know who it is and I also know one of the people he abused, why should they be shielded? It makes me so mad, this is two faced at its best. By no way should the lady (or ladies) be revealed, it would not be fair on them To my knowledge the one victim that we know about is female and at the time of the offence was approaching her mid teens but below the age of consent. At this stage in her life it is more appropriate to refer to her as a "young person" rather than a child. After all she was several years above the age of puberty, the juncture where nature itself defines the difference. The law usually makes a distinction about this age level as well between a child and young person. However it is still a very serious matter for a very mature male to engage in such activities with a young female below the age of consent. There are no excuses for the perpetrator and brief non-specific details of the truth of the matter should be circulated throughout the church community, if for no other reason but to offset the falsehoods now circulating, from which only the perpetrator and his former peers will benefit. Those with a vested interest in suppressing the truth of the matter should in no way be able to gain advantage of the fact the matter has not been reported to the authorities, through allowing falsehoods to flourish, which coud all have a detrimental effect on the most important person in the situation, ie the victim! |
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Post by JO on May 22, 2012 5:02:35 GMT -5
A question from WINGS comes to mind as I read this thread: How many more children have to be hurt before an action plan is put in place and followed to deal with the abusers legally and morally? www.wingsfortruth.info/ |
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Post by Scott Ross on May 22, 2012 8:06:59 GMT -5
A question from WINGS comes to mind as I read this thread: How many more children have to be hurt before an action plan is put in place and followed to deal with the abusers legally and morally? www.wingsfortruth.info/That question has been on WINGS since it was started. Late last year a set of worker guidelines were sent to about 50 overseers around the world. These guidelines were made up by members of the fellowship and are suggested guidelines for the workers to use to protect not only the children, but the workers as well. From the front page of the board: The following is the email that was sent out to about 50 overseers and senior workers in the truth fellowship. Since then, several other workers have also been sent the guidelines as well. This was originally sent on Nov 7th 2011 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I have been asked to send the following information to selected overseers and other workers: After hearing news about several former workers being convicted on charges of sexually abusing children, some concerned members of the fellowship drafted a set of guidelines that we believe can help workers prevent crimes against children and respond properly when a fellow worker is accused or charged with abuse. When we heard last week that an overseer had been charged for failing to report an incident with a worker on his staff, we decided to make the guidelines available to overseers and workers. If all workers follow the guidelines, not one of them will ever be charged with the same crime an overseer has recently been charged with.
Victims of child sexual abuse can face lifelong emotional consequences. If you are approached with an allegation of abuse, understand that people who report the abuse are often trying to protect others from suffering the same abuse. Please don't inflict more pain by calling these people bitter. Rather, treat them with compassion and urge them to seek professional help. Know your own responsibilities when someone reports abuse to you, and strive to act in a manner that is above legal and ethical reproach.
We care deeply about the children who are the future of the kingdom. We care deeply about the workers. We want children to be safe, and we want workers to have the privilege to share the gospel message as they have in generations past. We believe these guidelines will help accomplish both.
Here is the website link where we have posted a copy of the guidelines. These guidelines were developed over several months with input from fellowship members around the world. www.csainfo.info
If you use an iPhone, iPad, or get an error message about Adobe Flash use this link: sites.google.com/site/csacodeofconduct/home
If you have comments or questions, contact the sender of this message. Or, if you prefer, seek the advice of a teacher, nurse, doctor, mental health professional, lawyer, or law enforcement officer who will have professional training in the subject.
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Post by onlooker on May 22, 2012 8:59:09 GMT -5
I asked a worker once whether at their workers staff meetings or similar occasions if they get a talk about matters of behaviour "such that the ministry be not blamed". (Yes that's a biblical expression)
Never had this sort of thing come up, and the admonition was along the lines of "stand up when using friends' phones so as to minimise the length of the call rather than by sitting down and being too comfortable".
The initiative here is applaudable but I doubt it gets far. None of the overseer workers I can think of would have come from professional positions of management in a modern compliance-led environment, which for many of us now is the world in which we have to work. Because they have missed out on that training and experience they are at a disadvantage, but to see that one of their fellows has been charged (!) for not notifying the authorities might help reinforce the point.
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Post by no excuse on May 22, 2012 11:58:12 GMT -5
However it is still a very serious matter for a very mature male to engage in such activities with a young female below the age of consent. I appreciate your willingness to openly engage ram, so thanks. Let us be very clear, on the facts above it is not just a "very serious matter" but a criminal matter and indeed, child sexual abuse which would attract a substantial prison sentence in most western countries. The alleged criminal in this case should be brought before the authorities by either the victim (bless her) or if that is too difficult, by the church authorities or elders. That is the kind action for the perpetrator and may be his only hope of redemption through being made aware of his serious need of open confession and genuine repentance. It is also the best way to protect future children from this molester and any others of his ilk. It would also help the dear victim start the journey of real healing. It is the only way for the church known as "The Truth" to re-establish its reputation for righteousness and to again carry the gospel with any sort of power or blessing from holy God, I believe. Those with a vested interest in suppressing the truth of the matter should in no way be able to gain advantage of the fact the matter has not been reported to the authorities, through allowing falsehoods to flourish, which coud all have a detrimental effect on the most important person in the situation, ie the victim! Those who are protecting this alleged criminal are culpable also, not just of failing the dear victim but of failing the perpetrator and their church. You are so right, the most important person by far in this Scottish criminal matter is the dear victim. May God bless her immensely through those in the Scottish church willing to stand and support her. |
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Post by no excuse on May 22, 2012 12:13:34 GMT -5
ram, can a person in a foreign country report an alleged child sexual molester to Scottish authorities for investigation?
This man's name is widely known amongst Friends and in my county we have mandatory reporting of such perpetrators of CSA. Maybe we can help the Scottish Friends? Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2012 12:39:24 GMT -5
However it is still a very serious matter for a very mature male to engage in such activities with a young female below the age of consent. I appreciate your willingness to openly engage ram, so thanks. Let us be very clear, on the facts above it is not just a "very serious matter" but a criminal matter and indeed, child sexual abuse which would attract a substantial prison sentence in most western countries. I took it for granted, especially in view of my other posts on the subject, that others would have understood this to be a criminal matter, assuming the specific details of the incident met the required criteria (I am ignorant of them). As far as attracting a substantial prison sentence (anywhere), this would depend upon the nature of the offence, which so far have not to my knowledge been disclosed.. The alleged criminal in this case should be brought before the authorities by either the victim (bless her) or if that is too difficult, by the church authorities or elders. That is the kind action for the perpetrator and may be his only hope of redemption through being made aware of his serious need of open confession and genuine repentance. It wouldn't matter if the whole F&W's fellowship dragged the perpetrator down to the police station, as long as the victim does not wish to complain, then it's end of story. There's no either or. Without a complaint we are left in limbo. The perp can of course still genuinely repent. That is not dependent upon a criminal enquiry. He could call in at the local nick and report himself, but if the victim doesn't want the matter progressed there's nothing the authorities can do about it.It is also the best way to protect future children from this molester and any others of his ilk. I was one of the first, if not the first, a couple of years ago to campaign for proper guidelines and procedures for workers to be drawn up. These were to deal with ALL forms of child abuse as well as protecting other vulnerable persons within the fellowship including workers. My suggestions were lambasted and described as draconian and unjust etc, but they were simple measures which would have offered better protection all round. With regards to the offender in question, it is my belief (as I understand his situation) that any risk he poses is slight if not negligible as far as things stand.It would also help the dear victim start the journey of real healing. This is something which concerns me greatly and is paramount in the case. So far she has decided not to pursue the matter. In Scotland there are no time limitations for a criminal prosecution as equivelent common law offences are still valid. The matter is very delicate. Hopefully the professional help the victim is/was receiving is having benefits. I more concerned about the actions of the workers at this stage than I am about the miscreant.It is the only way for the church known as "The Truth" to re-establish its reputation for righteousness and to again carry the gospel with any sort of power or blessing from holy God, I believe. This is secondary at best as far as the primary issues are concerned.Those with a vested interest in suppressing the truth of the matter should in no way be able to gain advantage of the fact the matter has not been reported to the authorities, through allowing falsehoods to flourish, which coud all have a detrimental effect on the most important person in the situation, ie the victim! Those who are protecting this alleged criminal are culpable also, not just of failing the dear victim but of failing the perpetrator and their church. They are NOT culpable of any criminal conduct. Depending on what they have done, have not done, are doing, or are not doing, they may well be morally lacking. You are so right, the most important person by far in this Scottish criminal matter is the dear victim. May God bless her immensely through those in the Scottish church willing to stand and support her. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2012 13:00:35 GMT -5
ram, can a person in a foreign country report an alleged child sexual molester to Scottish authorities for investigation? This man's name is widely known amongst Friends and in my county we have mandatory reporting of such perpetrators of CSA. Maybe we can help the Scottish Friends? Just a thought. Anyone can report a crime. However they have to be available for interview and their possible attendance at a court trial if they are to be a witness. However, whilst anyone can bring this current matter to the attention of the authorities the bottom line is this; a complaint must be made (by the victim). Without that there will be no case. My understanding at present is that the victim is/was receiving "professional help" and has decided she does not wish to report the matter to the police. Speaking hypothetically, this does not mean that the police are unaware of the present case (I do not know one way or the other). The police have family protection depts who form teams with social workers etc, to deal jointly with family/ abuse matters. Whilst they operate with a view towards prosecution of offenders, their primary concern is the needs of the victim. If the victim (as in the current case) does not wish to pursue the matter via a criminal investigation there is no point in trying to force the issue. They may not feel able to face the possibility of giving evidence in court in the event of a trial etc. It happens regularly that family protection teams are made aware of various cases; have a degree of involvement; offer advice and arrange professional help etc, but at the end of the day the matter is not progressed due to the condition or wishes of the victim. Mandatory reporting laws in other countries have no validity in the UK. Also such action would not be appropriate. We have a mature woman who does not wish to report the matter (at least officially). Without her willingness we have no case to answer. This should not be regarded as a slight on her. Her needs are paramount and her wishes should be respected. I can assure you I have my own concerns about other possible victims etc, but as things stand I just have to let these matters lie. |
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Post by no excuse on May 22, 2012 13:17:49 GMT -5
As far as I am aware the victim has chosen (so far) not to report this as a criminal matter. That may well not be the best option for her. Her healing and recovery must come first and hopefully your expressed wishes and prayers are being answered? Thank you ram for your clear information. It is assuring that the victim is aware of the professional help available and with the greatest respect, her need of that. She can be comforted hopefully and encouraged, that although completely anonymous, she is being remembered before her heavenly Father in the prayers of many around the world. |
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Post by Guest UK on May 22, 2012 19:10:58 GMT -5
I have watched this thread following my previous posting. I posted then of my involvement with Ralph Joss. We had a lot of contact with workers growing up and he gave me a lot of attention from my teenage years, probably 13 or14, but I do not remember, seriously, how old I was when there was physical contact. It was later than this, but I could not now give a definite age.I have spent years feeling awful as I probably felt flattered by the attention and was not forced into this. I remember some specific episodes and these make me hate myself for being involved, but I could not stand up and say this was definitely child abuse. There may be others He has been involved with, and this may be an unnecessary posting if there are, but although this was very damaging to me I would not want the CSA label applied wrongly.
Many people have been damaged by this person in other ways and there were many reasons for his being removed from the work. My situation was only one factor
CSA should be reported, if definite, and if there are other definite cases here I would agree with your assessments and desire to report, but this is a pretty awful label if wrongly applied.
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Post by JO on May 22, 2012 22:07:53 GMT -5
We had a lot of contact with workers growing up and he gave me a lot of attention from my teenage years, probably 13 or14, but I do not remember, seriously, how old I was when there was physical contact. It was later than this, but I could not now give a definite age.I have spent years feeling awful as I probably felt flattered by the attention and was not forced into this. I remember some specific episodes and these make me hate myself for being involved He may have a case to answer if you were under the age of consent at the time of physical contact. There certainly was a moral transgression on his part. Frankly I don't believe a godly man would sexually abuse children without feeling deep remorse. Not just remorse for getting caught, but remorse for the damage inflicted on a child for whom Christ died. What a wasted effort it would be to preach the gospel while sexually abusing children! Its amazing to me that sincere and godly workers are not insensed at the damage being done to the church and ministry, let alone the souls of the sexual abuse victims |
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Post by brissiegirl on May 23, 2012 0:24:35 GMT -5
I have watched this thread following my previous posting. I posted then of my involvement with Ralph Joss. We had a lot of contact with workers growing up and he gave me a lot of attention from my teenage years, probably 13 or14, but I do not remember, seriously, how old I was when there was physical contact. It was later than this, but I could not now give a definite age.I have spent years feeling awful as I probably felt flattered by the attention and was not forced into this. I remember some specific episodes and these make me hate myself for being involved, but I could not stand up and say this was definitely child abuse. There may be others He has been involved with, and this may be an unnecessary posting if there are, but although this was very damaging to me I would not want the CSA label applied wrongly. Many people have been damaged by this person in other ways and there were many reasons for his being removed from the work. My situation was only one factor CSA should be reported, if definite, and if there are other definite cases here I would agree with your assessments and desire to report, but this is a pretty awful label if wrongly applied. Dear UK person, thank you for your honesty and openness. I have some experience in this area from the social work perspective, also from personal experiences. It matters little how old exactly you were when Mr Joss instigated actual physical contact. From what you say, you were groomed by this older man who was in a position of considerable authority over you, a young and vulnerable girl at that stage in your life. "We had a lot of contact with workers growing up and he gave me a lot of attention from my teenage years, probably 13 or14, but I do not remember, seriously, how old I was when there was physical contact."Yes at that age, we feel flattered by the attention. Especially because it is from someone older who we respect because of his position in the world. Looking back, we tend to blame ourselves because it was enjoyable for the young us, not just physically but also the special attention from such a respected authority figure. It is filling a need in the young us. We have gone along, willingly we believe despite our young years, in something we knew was wrong but it was our secret pleasure. "I have spent years feeling awful as I probably felt flattered by the attention and was not forced into this."Believe me, this is so common. And it is deliberate child abuse by a nasty self-absorbed sexual predator who has used his power over a young girl in a very manipulative way to get what HE wants."this was very damaging to me"Believe me, dear young lady, from my own personal and professional experience, you have been used as a young innocent girl by an abusive older man. He did not have your interests at heart. He did not treat you with the love that Christ loves you. You were not to blame, not in any way. Not one little bit!It is possible to heal very greatly from your experiences. I know. The first step is to understand without any shadow of doubt - what Mr Joss did to you as a young girl was wrong and you - as that young girl - are not in any way to blame. Then if you feel a need to talk, find a professional counsellor who will help with your healing journey. But the first step, and it's a big one, is to know in your heart that you are not to blame. Dear person, you will remain in my prayers for your beautiful, guilt-free life ahead. A life where you are free to live and serve in the pure love that God loves you with! |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 1:42:58 GMT -5
I have watched this thread following my previous posting. I posted then of my involvement with Ralph Joss. We had a lot of contact with workers growing up and he gave me a lot of attention from my teenage years, probably 13 or14, but I do not remember, seriously, how old I was when there was physical contact. It was later than this, but I could not now give a definite age.I have spent years feeling awful as I probably felt flattered by the attention and was not forced into this. I remember some specific episodes and these make me hate myself for being involved, but I could not stand up and say this was definitely child abuse. There may be others He has been involved with, and this may be an unnecessary posting if there are, but although this was very damaging to me I would not want the CSA label applied wrongly. Many people have been damaged by this person in other ways and there were many reasons for his being removed from the work. My situation was only one factor CSA should be reported, if definite, and if there are other definite cases here I would agree with your assessments and desire to report, but this is a pretty awful label if wrongly applied. Thank you for your honest post guest. It appears that what happened to you occurred either just below or just above the age of consent in Scotland which is 16 years of age? To put this into perspective are you able to estimate the age of the male person involved at the time of the incident(s)? This will give a clearer understanding of the overall matter. If you cannot give this, how about the approximate year(s) it occurred, or the year you were 16? The miscreant must be early to mid 60s by now. Brissiegirl, thank you for your valuable input here. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2012 1:52:43 GMT -5
Its amazing to me that sincere and godly workers are not insensed at the damage being done to the church and ministry, let alone the souls of the sexual abuse victims
JO I have no doubt that there are many sincere workers who are incensed at the damage being caused to the sect, but their continued subservience to a system which places self interest first over the protection of children and the proper rehabilitation of the worker csa victims shows their hearts are not motivated by Godliness. These people are serving "professing" not God, no matter how godly they may appear. They must protect the system upon which their livelihoods depend.
The good thing is that until they properly address these matters the system is on a deserved downward spiral which will not cease until they waken up.
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Post by Angelina Mouse on May 23, 2012 3:20:50 GMT -5
Hi GuestUK,
Re: your post - maybe not child abuse.
Well if not, you were certainly taken advantage of, and by a person you should have been able to trust.
Horrible situation to be put in. Please realise that there are plenty posting here, and many others that read, that care for you.
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Post by Angelina Mouse on May 23, 2012 3:23:39 GMT -5
Hi Ram, So on the other side of the world, F&W are no different to in Australia. This same problem is still happening here. People think allegations against EB were made up by "one bitter Person" to cause trouble. They all need to get their heads out of the sand. Its disgusting that people wont accept the truth of what is happening in the fellowship. Its a wonder my mousy teeth arnt ground down to the gums. I must confess my anger has still to abate after learning what is going on. This divulging information only on a need to know basis has serious drawbacks. It leaves many vulnerable people in the dark. By vulnerable I mean those who will believe anything that is circulated rather than face up to the truth of the matter. They are often amongst the most vehement defenders of the system and unwittingly can cause much damage through not having been informed of the reality of the situation by those who know better. Victims have a tough enough job in surviving their ordeals. With historic cases it is extremely daunting to come forward after many years of silence. Many neither have the will, the strength nor the courage to report matters to the authorities. Also, after many years that may no longer be the best option for the victim and our concerns must focus primarily upon their needs and desires. Victims may be put off coming forward with their experiences when they see others who have chosen not to report matters, blamed for spreading false allegations. There is sufficient information about the current Scottish case to indicate a high level of truth in the allegations. The last thing the victim needs is for them to be accused of spreading false allegations simply because they chose not to report the matter to the authorities. This can put off other victims from coming forward and add to their trauma. Those in leadership should have the truth of the matter available to all within the fellowship. It is a small, tightly knit community and much damage can be caused to those who least need it through the protecting of the system and certain categories of friends. HI Ram, Well said. No way could I have put it better. |
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