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Post by Greg on Sept 7, 2012 15:36:08 GMT -5
Actually have not some authorities used ministers or any other positions of power on people that though it may come out said to be a consensual sex that because of who the person is that instigates the act being in a position of power thus in reality making it impossible for their target being able to refuse or even understand what the instigator is all about? Ummmm.....say again, please? No, I got it....after the third reading.  |
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Post by JO on Sept 8, 2012 2:48:43 GMT -5
I think as I read in the OT how much God hated "fornication" that the people who are saying consensual sex is tolerable in the ministry that they have little understanding of the bible...it IS fornication most often that brings about divorce and remarriage, right? The fornication has to come first? So why would workers who say they're led by the Holy Spirit feel that fornicating with whomever they so well wish but not givingt hand in marriage that they can really turn around and be judgmental on D&R amongst the members of their fellowship? How ridiculous can they be. and how stupide can they be? Fornication brings about D&R most times as not, so if workers are into fornicating what are they contributing to? They're contributing to a decaying moral system and more D&R I agree Sharon, fornication between consenting adults is not acceptable for people professing godliness and its no more excusable for workers than anyone else. |
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Post by mdm on Jun 28, 2017 7:19:49 GMT -5
With Scottish conventions starting today it must be a bit humiliating for the people there that the chairman (overseer) is not a native. Help from Ireland, and possibly England ? must have been called up in a moment of desperation from the local workers, not the friends. The Scots have always been fiercely proud and independent. After all the truth movement started (W.Irvine) with one of theirs. (even if the official history according to the workers involves Willie Gill in Ireland); and dozens of Scottish workers circulated the world soon after. On top of that it is a Scot who is the first named person in the first page of the bible they use. His name is King James. I wonder how it will feel for them I am reading this thread for the first time I believe. We were in Scotland around this time and one of the friends was very openly upset about the change of the overseer and about "English meddling." He was hoping to find out why the change was implemented. Next year we were in Scotland again and asked him if he had found out the reason. Much to our surprise (not being b&r), he pretended he didn't know what we were talking about. However, couple of years later, we found out the reason from a worker. I'm reading this thread with interest, hoping to find out if the local church was ever openly informed why the overseer was removed from his position or why the other worker was removed from the ministry. |
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Post by mdm on Jun 28, 2017 7:26:40 GMT -5
Regarding the current case in Scotland where a brother worker of many years standing was put out of the work, it was originally put about that he was no longer able to continue in the work due to heart trouble. I have been hearing lately that some of the older members of the fellowship have been told that the allegations of this man's improper conduct (criminal) are all false allegations. It appears they have bought into these explanations. At present I am not sure who is putting these explanations about but if they are from authoritive sources in the fellowship I find them despicable. Victims require the truth to be told, not damage limiting stories. These can be extremely damaging to victims. The same thing happens in the US. A worker known for decades for immoral and criminal behavior finally gets removed from the ministry for a rape charge, and at least one overseer goes around telling people that the pervert is a victim of a "false allegation." |
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Post by mdm on Jun 28, 2017 7:27:21 GMT -5
Hi Ram, So on the other side of the world, F&W are no different to in Australia. This same problem is still happening here. People think allegations against EB were made up by "one bitter Person" to cause trouble. They all need to get their heads out of the sand. Its disgusting that people wont accept the truth of what is happening in the fellowship. Its a wonder my mousy teeth arnt ground down to the gums.  |
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Post by mdm on Jun 28, 2017 9:19:25 GMT -5
I've read the whole thread and it looks like there was no open disclosure to the friends as to why a worker was removed from the fellowship and why Bobby Kerr was replaced.
Again, professing people are treated like children who are to be seen and not heard.
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Post by rs on Jun 28, 2017 12:17:04 GMT -5
Certainly no general open disclosure, but I am aware of elders who visited each one in their church and made them aware of the issues
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